Talk:Consolidated protocols, annexes and declarations attached to the treaties of the European Union
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Consolidated as of today or 2007/2010/2012/2016[edit]
Just updated the lead description to explain what consolidated means, according to how this article has been written and sourced. I like the current existing ambition of this article, to have for all the European treaties only one "consolidated version (as of today)". However, it comes with the huge problem that update work to the article then needs to be done and maintained by an editor each day, to make sure everything has been correctly updated up until today. Something we can not rely on. I therefore propose we should only choose to create/have "consolidated versions" as per the updated consolidated treaty versions published by OJ. Meaning, that this article should either display:
- A) The latest "2016-version" with a source link to the OJ-consolidated 2016-version (without notes explaining the difference between 2007 and 2016).
- B) The original "2007-version" with text being updated and notes made for each legal change implemented up until July 2016, in order to match the text of the article 100% with the latest OJ-consolidated "2016-version" (along with a source link to this file).
- C) The original "2007-version" without featuring any subsequent amendments. Instead a new consolidated wikisource article version is created each time OJ publish a new updated consolidated version. Meaning we at present then would have up till 8 consolidated versions of each European treaty document, with the latest four being published after the Lisbon treaty was signed in respectively: 2008(2007), 2010, 2012 and 2016 (the other previous 4 consolidated versions were published by OJ in Maastricht=1992, Amsterdam=1997, Nice=2002 and Athens=2006). The year of the consolidated version should in this scenario then be denoted for the article by a parenthesis in its title (i.e. "Consolidated protocols, annexes and declarations attached to the treaties of the European Union (1992)", "Consolidated protocols, annexes and declarations attached to the treaties of the European Union (1997)", "Consolidated protocols, annexes and declarations attached to the treaties of the European Union (2002)", "Consolidated protocols, annexes and declarations attached to the treaties of the European Union (2006)", "Consolidated protocols, annexes and declarations attached to the treaties of the European Union (2008)", "Consolidated protocols, annexes and declarations attached to the treaties of the European Union (2010)", "Consolidated protocols, annexes and declarations attached to the treaties of the European Union (2012)", "Consolidated protocols, annexes and declarations attached to the treaties of the European Union (2016)").
If we pick option C, then we can build it upon reference to the following OJ source links:
- 2010 version of EURATOM (note: incl. 4 unique Annexes and 6 Protocols shared with TFEU/TEU)
- 2012 version of EURATOM (note: incl. 4 unique Annexes and 6 Protocols shared with TFEU/TEU)
- 2016 version of EURATOM (note: incl. 4 unique Annexes and 6 Protocols shared with TFEU/TEU)
- 1992 version of TFEU
- 1997 version of TFEU
- 2002 version of TFEU
- 2006 version of TFEU
- 2008 version of TFEU
- 2010 version of TFEU
- 2012 version of TFEU
- 2016 version of TFEU
- 1992 version of TEU
- 1997 version of TEU
- 2002 version of TEU
- 2006 version of TEU
- 2008 version of TEU
- 2010 version of TEU
- 2012 version of TEU
- 2016 version of TEU
- [1992 version of all Protocols for all EU treaties]
(note: The Masstricht treaty (1992) amended articles of TEEC+EURATOM+ECSC, but none of their attached old protocols/conventions/letters. 17 new protocols were attached to TEC+TEU, to be found along with all preexisting TEEC/EURATOM/ECSC protocols+conventions+letters.)- The list of preexisting documents attached to ECSC comprised in 1992: (1) Protocol on the Statute of the Court of Justice of the ECSC, (2) Protocol on the Relations with the Council of Europe, (3) Exchange of letters between the Government of the Federal Republic of Germany and the Government of the French Republic concerning the Saar, (4) Convention on the Transitional Provisions.
- The list of preexisting documents attached to EURATOM comprised in 1992: (1) Protocol on the Statute of the Court of Justice of the EURATOM, (2) Protocol on application of EURATOM to non-European Netherlands).
- The list of preexisting documents attached to TEEC comprised in 1992: (1) Protocol on the statute of the EIB, (2) Protocol on German International Trade, (3) Protocol on provisions relating to France, (4) Protocol on Italy, (5) Protocol on Luxembourg, (6) Protocol on goods originating..., (7) Protocol on treatment to be applied to products within the province..., (8) Protocol on Mineral Oils, (9) Protocol on application of TEEC to non-European Netherlands, (10) Protocol on the Statute of the Court of Justice of the European Economic Community, (11) Protocol concerning imports into the European Economic Community of petroleum products refined in the Netherlands Antilles, (12) Protocol on special arrangements for Greenland, (13) Implementing Convention on the Association of the Overseas Countries and Territories with the Community, (14) Protocol on the tariff quota for imports of bananas, (15) Protocol on the tariff quota for imports of raw coffee, (16) Convention of 25 March 1957 on certain institutions common to the European Communities, (17) Merger Treaty of 8 April 1965 along with its "Protocol on the privileges and immunities of the European Communities".
- 1995 version of protocol 12-15 annexed to TEC
- 1999 version of all Protocols for all EU treaties (except protocol 12-15)
(note: The Amsterdam Treaty (1997) attached 13 new protocols to TEC/TEU, to be found along with 21 preexisting protocols listed by title without republished text. The full text of all 21 preexisting protocols can be reproduced by combining the source link from 1995+1999. The treaty also cleaned up old stuff by repealing: Protocol nr.7+14+16 from the Maastricht Treaty, 8 protocols and 1 convention from the original TEEC in 1957, Exchange of Letters attached to TECSC, Convention on the transitional provisions attached to TECSC, 1 Protocol attached to the EURATOM treaty, Convention of 25 March 1957 attached to TEEC, and the Merger Treaty of 8 April 1965 - except for its protocol on privileges and immunities. The list below display the consolidated list of the remaining attached old documents created before 1992 (2 for TSCS, 1 for EURATOM, and 7 for TEC). In top of this, TEU+TEC now additionally have attached 14 Protocols from 1992 and 13 new Protocols from 1997; increasing the total number of TEU+TEC protocols to 34.)- The list of preexisting documents attached to ECSC before 1992, comprised in 1997: (1) Protocol on the Statute of the Court of Justice of the ECSC, (2) Protocol on the Relations with the Council of Europe,
(3) Exchange of letters between the Government of the Federal Republic of Germany and the Government of the French Republic concerning the Saar, (4) Convention on the Transitional Provisions. - The list of preexisting documents attached to EURATOM before 1992, comprised in 1997: (1) Protocol on the Statute of the Court of Justice of the EURATOM,
(2) Protocol on application of EURATOM to non-European Netherlands). - The list of preexisting documents attached to TEEC before 1992, comprised in 1997: (1) Protocol on the statute of the EIB,
(2) Protocol on German International Trade, (3) Protocol on provisions relating to France,(4) Protocol on Italy,(5) Protocol on Luxembourg,(6) Protocol on goods originating...,(7) Protocol on treatment to be applied to products within the province..., (8) Protocol on Mineral Oils, (9) Protocol on application of TEEC to non-European Netherlands,(10) Protocol on the Statute of the Court of Justice of the European Economic Community, (11) Protocol concerning imports into the European Economic Community of petroleum products refined in the Netherlands Antilles, (12) Protocol on special arrangements for Greenland,(13) Implementing Convention on the Association of the Overseas Countries and Territories with the Community, (14) Protocol on the tariff quota for imports of bananas, (15) Protocol on the tariff quota for imports of raw coffee, (16) Convention of 25 March 1957 on certain institutions common to the European Communities, (17) Merger Treaty of 8 April 1965 along with its"Protocol on the privileges and immunities of the European Communities".
- The list of preexisting documents attached to ECSC before 1992, comprised in 1997: (1) Protocol on the Statute of the Court of Justice of the ECSC, (2) Protocol on the Relations with the Council of Europe,
- [2002 version of all Protocols for all EU treaties]
(note: The Nice Treaty (2001) attached Protocol 34+35 as new ones, replaced Protocol 6+10 by a new version, while the "protocol on the statute of the Court of Justice of the EURATOM" also got repealed and replaced by the new version of Protocol 6. The other 32 protocols have not been changed/repealed since the Amsterdam treaty in 1999, meaning the total number of protocols now has grown to 36. In top of this the 2 old preexisting protocols annexed to TECSC still exists, although they cease to exist together with TECSC in July 2002.) - 2006 version of all Protocols for all EU treaties
(note: Treaty of Athens made amendments to TEU+TEC in 2003, while the 2003 Act of Accession amended the text of the existing protocols - without repealing any or creating new ones) - 2008 version of all Protocols for all EU treaties
(note: The Lisbon Treaty (2007) repealed the following 8 old protocol numbers (10)+(12)+(13)+(19)+(23)+(24)+(33)+(35); created the following 9 new protocols 8+9+10+14+25+26+27+30+36; and renumbered the following 28 old protocol numbers: (9)=1, (30)=2, (6)=3, (18)=4, (11)=5, (8)=6, (36)=7, (1)=11, (20)=12, (21)=13, (25)=15, (26)=16, (22)=17, (27)=18, (2)=19, (3)=20, (4)=21, (5)=22, (31)=23, (29)=24, (28)=28, (32)=29, (14)=31, (16)=32, (17)=33, (15)=34, (7)=35, (34)=37). This increased the total number of TEU+TFEU protocols to 37. - 2010 version of all Protocols for all EU treaties
- 2012 version of all Protocols for all EU treaties
- 2016 version of all Protocols for all EU treaties
- [1992 version of Annexes for TEC]
(note: The attached Annexes for TEC was not published along with the consolidated TEC resulting from the Maastricht treaty's entry into force. The Maastricht treaty however made no amendment/repeal/new annexes to TEC, and the 1992-title of Annex I+II+III+IV (although still without republished text as it appeared in 1992) can be found in the subsequent Amsterdam Treaty) - 1997 version of Annexes for TEC
(note: Amsterdam Treaty repealed the old Annex I+III, and then renumbered Annex II to I and IV to II, which now also has been published in full updated text) - 2002 version of Annexes for TEC
- 2006 version of Annexes for TEC
- 2008 version of Annexes for TFEU
- 2010 version of Annexes for TFEU
- 2012 version of Annexes for TFEU
- 2016 version of Annexes for TFEU
- [1992 version of all Declarations (incl. those already in place for TEEC)]
- 1997 version of 59 Declarations made by the Amsterdam Treaty
- 1999 version of all Declarations to SEA (20) + Maastricht (33) + 1 May 1992 event (1) + Amsterdam (59)
- 2002 version of 27 Declarations made by the Nice Treaty
- [2006 version of all Declarations]
- 2008 version of 65 Declarations made by the Lisbon Treaty
- 2010 version of 65 Declarations made by the Lisbon Treaty
- 2012 version of 65 Declarations made by the Lisbon Treaty
- 2016 version of 65 Declarations made by the Lisbon Treaty
- [1992 version of EQUIVALENCES TABLES for TEC]
- 1997 version of EQUIVALENCES TABLES for TEU+TEC
- [2002 version of EQUIVALENCES TABLES for TEU+TEC]
- [2006 version of EQUIVALENCES TABLES for TEU+TEC]
- 2008 version of EQUIVALENCES TABLES for TEU+TFEU
- 2010 version of EQUIVALENCES TABLES for TEU+TFEU
- 2012 version of EQUIVALENCES TABLES for TEU+TFEU
- 2016 version of EQUIVALENCES TABLES for TEU+TFEU
Not sure what of the above A/B/C choices would be best? But I think we should at least choose either approach A/B/C, and then make it clear to readers/editors that we consolidate according to this choice. Danish Expert (talk) 12:35, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
- I tend to favour the above option B/C (but still not sure which one to pick). So I would appreciate opinions being posted here to solve the question, in particular by the previous editors of this article (Billinghurst / L.Tak / JLogan). :-) Danish Expert (talk) 15:00, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
- To fulfil Wikisource's mandate to be a repository of sources, your option C is the best. Disambiguate by year. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 18:37, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
- Yes to C. If we are only to have one copy (for now), I would suggest move and a redirect, just for clarity. — billinghurst sDrewth 19:38, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
- To fulfil Wikisource's mandate to be a repository of sources, your option C is the best. Disambiguate by year. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 18:37, 29 March 2017 (UTC)