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Status: Active. bd2412 T (e)

I am a Wikipedian. You can talk to me there as well. BD2412 T 00:18, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

BD2412 T 00:19, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

vauge PD release on copyvio[edit]

If you have some time, and can see an aspect of copyright law that could be clarified regarding the works in question, your opinion on this would be appreciated at WS:COPYVIO#Thought_is_Your_Enemy. I dont think we need a legal opinion regarding Sherurcij's opinion; he is quite clear he is voicing his opinion in lieu of something more substantive being offered. :-)

Alternatively, if you can put me towards some case law dealing with similar cases, I'll fetch them and do some research. John Vandenberg (chat) 22:46, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] political candidate speech in public domain[edit]

Hi I notice that you said "speeches of political candidates for federal office made in their official capacity are government works in the public domain" in this article I adapted a Barack Obama speech into a song. Could you tell me how I can prove to naysayers that the speech is Public Domain.

Thanks, 20:47, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

I would refer to 17 U.S.C. § 105 Subject matter of copyright: United States Government works
Copyright protection under this title is not available for any work of the United States Government, but the United States Government is not precluded from receiving and holding copyrights transferred to it by assignment, bequest, or otherwise.
Now, whether this applies to candidate speeches is a question of interpretation, but since there are no cases in which a candidate has successfully sued to prevent distribution of a speech made while running for office, it is generally understood that such speeches themselves fall in the public domain. Naysayers often point to Martin Luther King Jr.'s "I have a dream" speech, which was held to be protected by copyright. However, MLK was neither an elected official, nor a candidate for office. Cheers! BD2412 T 22:59, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

The American Illustrated Medical Dictionary[edit]


With the The American Illustrated Medical Dictionary text can we try a different edition? I have been having a lot of problems converting it. Please let me know by leaving a message on my talk page. Thanks. --Mattwj2002 (talk) 06:52, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Dissenting Report of Mr. Greeley With Reference to the Revision of the Trademark Law headerless[edit]

Gday BD. When you are back, it would be great if you could add a {{header}} to the above work. Thx-- billinghurst (talk) 15:18, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

  • Mark this as done. BD2412 T 16:41, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Comment re Credentials[edit]

Gday BD2412. I do not think that there is any particular need to produce credentials to support your claim. While that level of authenticity is lovely, it would seem overkill especially in this circumstance. Your expertise shows through in your long history of edits here and at WP. (all in my opinion)-- billinghurst (talk) 16:33, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Expertise and credentials are two different things. I'd like to avoid the kind of doubts raised by the Essjay debacle. BD2412 T 16:42, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
I am a little wary about creating a precedent for "Complain bitterly and repeatedly to win an argument". If you wish to pursue, probably best is something to (which is User:Bookofjude}}, and if we truly need to store an opinion, then we could look to get something into OTRS.-- billinghurst (talk) 16:51, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
I'm not sure I understand your point. Am I the one complaining in this scenario? BD2412 T 18:05, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
Absolutely not, your commentary has been specific and relevant. More to those who complain about an issue from a lay/personal position, then, through continuing discussing and then to a point of demanding credentials and to which someone then feels obliged to produce them. It isn't a technique that should be required, or demanded, or be allowed to be become the expected, nor set a precedent. A statement of expertise and credentials should be sufficient for this sort of debate where the only consequence being the keeping or deleting of an article. billinghurst (talk) 00:52, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
I understand your desire not to feed the trolls, and that my making such a confirmation may encourage doubters to demand similar assurances from others. I'd still rather just have it done and out there for all time, but I won't press the issue. Cheers! BD2412 T 21:32, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Your opinion please[edit]

Hello, Could you please give your opinion about the copyright status of Wikisource:Possible copyright violations#An Autobiography or The Story of my Experiments with Truth. Thanks, Yann (talk) 23:43, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

  • I appreciated your input on Palin's copyright violation discussion and thought maybe you could also help clear the air on Barack Obama's Super Bowl Pre-Game Interview. I'm wondering if an interview conducted within the White House itself (not in an NBC studio or program) for broadcast later can actually have any question of copyright violation → especially since a transcription of the interview has also been published by the Government Printing Office after the interview was aired. I might be inclined to accept the audio/video being protected but I can't see how a transcription is also covered - or is it? George Orwell III (talk) 19:40, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Anecdotes & Epigrams[edit]

Change, JeepdaySock (talk) 16:48, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

You are a WQ admin, you have the rights[edit]

q:Special:Import would be the page, and q:Special:ListGroupRights would be the page that states what accounts have what rights, and as an admin you have import. What may be missing is the connection between WS and WS, and you might need to get a bugzilla request undertaken so that enWS is visible to those that import. — billinghurst sDrewth 17:34, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Wikisource User Group[edit]

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Global message delivery, 23:20, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Broken edits with half template additions[edit]

Your recent AWB-assisted edits are busted … ends of templates only. If you need a hand to resolve, let me know, though I am not sure which template you were looking to add. — billinghurst sDrewth 03:32, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

PS. That many additions using AWB probably should be considered with reference to Wikisource:Bots. — billinghurst sDrewth 03:35, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
It's a project of half measures. I'm going to use AWB to fill in the missing pieces once I have a pattern for how to do that, which will basically be around the recurring names of authors and works, or page by page. BD2412 T 03:52, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
Okay. I have found that when doing something like that, it is useful to maybe put something onto your talk page, and then point to it in the edit summary. Saves confusion, and nags like yours truly.winkbillinghurst sDrewth 04:29, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
Frankly, I didn't realize anyone was paying attention to this little project. I've been pecking away at it for four years! It would be nice if a bot could be made that could figure out all the templating needed for these pages, but that would be approaching artificial intelligence. BD2412 T 04:31, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
I was patrolling RC, and you had great big muddy footprints there. I will have a look at it another day, though not really knowing what is going on, makes it a little hard to comprehend. — billinghurst sDrewth 14:15, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
Follow-up. We have been encouraging contributors to make notes about works, formatting, etc. on the corresponding "Index talk:" page. That may be worth considering in case you have casual passers-by who want to help but cannot fathom your process(es). — billinghurst sDrewth 14:24, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
Basically, I'm just building a template shell around the quotes and citations so that I can move things to their proper place bit by bit. BD2412 T 19:09, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
The issue for which you are going to need to keep an eye out is that of template expansion. This is especially the case where you have the nested if statements. If we transclude many pages with many nested templates, we are going to whack the limit. So, that is going to need to look at how you are planning to display the pages ... sections of the page to be individually transcluded, or many pages together. If you are meaning how we go about wrapping the text into templates, then it may be that we look to something like manually place unique markers (symbols at either end of each section, eg. double daggers, male signs, female signs ... (one unique pair per template field), then have an AWB or pywikibot script that follows on behind, and does a minimal regex find and replace and then applies the template fields based on the markers. That component would be fairly easy once a human has applied their component, and we would just need to watch what happens around page breaks if components of the quotes wrap. — billinghurst sDrewth 00:19, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
Here's what happened - I had the scan of the quote-book uploaded to the project, and not long thereafter User:Inductiveload created some templates to display the quotes, using parameters that I thought would be useful if we eventually want these quotes to be searchable or sortable. I didn't design the particulars of the templates, so I can't speak to their pros and cons. All I am doing now is putting the templates around the quotes. I assume that once the parameters are properly lined up, whatever they need to do, they will do. It should be no harder to do this manually than to put in unique place markers manually. BD2412 T 16:26, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Files to Commons — three processes[edit]

With regard to your question about how to get files into place, there are a few, depending on the location of the file

billinghurst sDrewth 05:10, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

  • I tried to use the Internet Archive tool to import an existing DjVu of Black's Law 2nd that I found there - - with no luck. What am I doing wrong? My computer tells me that I need to upload a new version of Javascript (which I'd rather not). Could that be the problem? BD2412 T 16:27, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
The simple way is to download the djvu from IA and upload to Commons. However, this file has extraneous pages in the beginning and Google watermarking throughout. I am preparing another version from the link I had given; if you can wait a little, I'll make it available. Hrishikes (talk) 17:24, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
Okay - thanks! BD2412 T 17:28, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Done Index:Black's Law Dictionary (Second Edition).djvu Hrishikes (talk) 03:31, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
I see that - thanks. How does the text get into the edit window? Is that automated, or does it need to be done by hand? I added the text of the first page. BD2412 T 03:48, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

You will get the OCR button on clicking Proofread Tools. Clicking that button will bring up the text. Hrishikes (talk) 04:15, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

New Proposal Notification - Replacement of common main-space header template[edit]

Announcing the listing of a new formal proposal recently added to the Scriptorium community-discussion page, Proposals section, titled:

Switch header template foundation from table-based to division-based

The proposal entails the replacement of the current Header template familiar to most with a structurally redesigned new Header template. Replacement is a needed first step in series of steps needed to properly address the long time deficiencies behind several issues as well as enhance our mobile device presence.

There should be no significant operational or visual differences between the existing and proposed Header templates under normal usage (i.e. Desktop view). The change is entirely structural -- moving away from the existing HTML all Table make-up to an all Div[ision] based one.

Please examine the testcases where the current template is compared to the proposed replacement. Don't forget to also check Mobile Mode from the testcases page -- which is where the differences between current header template & proposed header template will be hard to miss.

For those who are concerned over the possible impact replacement might have on specific works, you can test the replacement on your own by entering edit mode, substituting the header tag {{header with {{header/sandbox and then previewing the work with the change in place. Saving the page with the change in place should not be needed but if you opt to save the page instead of just previewing it, please remember to revert the change soon after your done inspecting the results.

Your questions or comments are welcomed. At the same time I personally urge participants to support this proposed change. -- George Orwell III (talk) 02:04, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Adding pages before proofreading[edit]

Hi, I noticed your addition of many pages like this: Page:Investigation of the Ferguson Police Department.djvu/35 and your edit summary. I like taking this approach too. I am curious: did you find an automated process to add the base layer, or did you save each page manually? I'd love to know an automated way to do this is one exists. -Pete (talk) 17:19, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

No automation, I did it manually. I find that the easiest way to do this is to open every sixth or seventh page in a separate tab, and then after saving that page, run across all the tabs and move to the next one and do it over again. BD2412 T 19:01, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, I've done similar. It works OK, but it would be great if a bot could do so unattended. Would help get projects like this started more quickly, as long as it's not used in inappropriate ways. Thanks! -Pete (talk) 19:05, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
Hi. Sorry to intrude. Just a few comments. There are bots doing this. If you are interested, place a request at Wikisource:Bot_requests if you need support. There are drawbacks though. If you just upload the first version and, before you do the work, a new DJVU revision with a better OCR process is uploaded, you will lose the benefits. I am sure this is not the case, but I say this as I have seen many works uploaded and then abandoned, where this benefit is now lost. Bye--Mpaa (talk) 21:17, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, that is useful information. BD2412 T 21:28, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
Most welcome intrusion @Mpaa:, thank you. -Pete (talk) 21:48, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Queen Mab[edit]

Since this is the April PotM, it would be best practice to begin proofreading the work on the first, rather than beginning early. --EncycloPetey (talk) 22:50, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

I just wanted to get a sense of how it was likely to go. So far the scan looks pretty good. BD2412 T 23:55, 29 March 2015 (UTC)