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Again, welcome! — billinghurst sDrewth 23:48, 18 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Who's Who article names[edit]

Hi, per WS:STYLE the article names in the Who's Who should be in title case rather than all-caps. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 07:29, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Beeswaxcandle: Sorry I didn't know that. I'll fix it. Just want to make sure, do you mean I should move Who's Who in the Far East (June) 1906-7/ABE, Taizo to Who's Who in the Far East (June) 1906-7/Abe, Taizo? Besides, should the names in the header section on each page also be in title case? --Stevenliuyi (talk) 07:37, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, to the second question. How many articles have already been created that will need moving? If it's only a few, then you can move them and tag the redirects for speedy deletion. But if there are a lot, then make a Bot request at WS:BOTR to get them moved. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 08:38, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Beeswaxcandle: Thanks for the information. I've already made a request at WS:BOTR. --Stevenliuyi (talk) 08:59, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Eminent Chinese, thanks and edit filter note[edit]

Hi! Thanks for your work on Eminent Chinese: I'm glad someone can read the Chinese in those scans, because I struggle hugely!

Just FYI, I have adjusted the settings for the vandalism filter, since "Fukien" and "Fukushima" were setting it off. You shouldn't get your edits flagged so often now! Inductiveload—talk/contribs 12:39, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Inductiveload: Thank you! Besides, the templates you set up are really helpful. --Stevenliuyi (talk) 22:30, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Works templates for Eminent Chinese of the Ch'ing Period[edit]

Hi. For works like this, I have been looking to move away from direct use of {{header}} and instead utilising specific works template. We also set up work specific linking templates for internal (short and long) linking

Example:

and typically we will throw in redirected shortened forms for ease of use. Ease of use, uniformity, and ease of updates all flow, and categorisation, etc. It will also more neatly allow for data migration to Wikidata as we have easier parameters for something like WD Harvest tool.

Happy to set these up, and would think that I would we would have

  • Template:Eminent Chinese of the Ch'ing Period
    • redirect Template:ECCP
  • Template:Eminent Chinese of the Ch'ing Period lkpl
    • redirect Template:ECCP lkpl
  • Template:Eminent Chinese of the Ch'ing Period link
    • redirect Template:ECCP link

I also have a script that will do existing uses to the template, so happy to bot those whilst you continue on your other work. — billinghurst sDrewth 01:31, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, I see that some of the linking templates are already in place. Sweet. — billinghurst sDrewth 01:35, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Billinghurst: Yes, User:Inductiveload already set up {{ECCP lkpl}} and {{ECCP link}} a while ago. It would be nice if there is {{ECCP}} to replace {{header}}. However, since I'm new and not very familiar with the practices here, I'm not feeling very comfortable creating the template myself. So it will be really apperiated if there is any help. --Stevenliuyi (talk) 02:50, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Have a look at special:permalink/11270662 and tell me if you are content, or changes you would like. I have used push to Layout 2, though that can be your preference. Template:Eminent Chinese of the Ch'ing Period — billinghurst sDrewth 04:13, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Billinghurst: Thank you, it looks great! --Stevenliuyi (talk) 04:41, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Updated documentation. I would suggest that you put a defaultsort into future transclusions, typically we will do {{DEFAULTSORT:{{SUBPAGENAME}}}} so they sort. Guessing that we don't need to do the European name-type of name swap. I will be applying that to the template replacement that I am about to do. Having this helps with any further categorisation that is wished to be underaken on the subpages. — billinghurst sDrewth 05:20, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

 Comment I have been through and converted the previous biographical subpages to use {{ECCP}}. I have also created numbers of the contributors' author pages where I was reasonably comfortable that I had the right author. I have only added one biography per pages as part of that process and will leave the remainder of bio additions to you. I will pick through some of the other author red links and look to convert them, though if there are further authors that you would like author pages setup, then feel welcome to ping me. Some of the Chinese names with initials only were not something I was confident I could correctly identify. — billinghurst sDrewth 11:15, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Billinghurst: Thank you! I've tried to set up some author pages myself (Author:Kwang Tsing Wu, Author:Li Man-kuei) but not sure if I did it correctly. --Stevenliuyi (talk) 13:45, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
All good smiley. Generally every author page created will be checked for consistency by someone with a good background in Author pages. — billinghurst sDrewth 13:56, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Contributors[edit]

Found a 2018 list of the contributors with dates of life, so attached a copy to Index talk:Eminent Chinese Of The Ch’ing Period - Hummel - 1943 - Vol. 1.pdf

I have also done research on one of the authors and put the detail there. If we are short of dates of life for these authors, then feel free to go to the relevant author talk page and place a {{ping}} to me. I have managed to find some reasonable sources of China <=> USA so may be able to dig through them. I am happy to do the research, though will rely on you to notify me where it is required to get those dates of life. Also do consider adding Category:Contributors to Eminent Chinese of the Ch'ing Period on the author pages; it is of value to categorise them. — billinghurst sDrewth 07:08, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sometimes I leave questions / notes for later[edit]

Sometimes I think the page is good enough overall to progress, but there are questions/notes for someone else to consider. See the edit summary for Page:Eminent Chinese Of The Ch’ing Period - Hummel - 1943 - Vol. 1.pdf/16 (diff). Here I think I'm seeing the atypical simplified character "温" rather than the usual for this book traditional character "溫".

Some fixes/changes are obvious, other changes need thought by others. Please look for notes in the edit summaries. Shenme (talk) 04:35, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Shenme: Thank you very much for the notes, I'll keep an eye on them. In this case, I think we probably should use "温" since it's the character used in the book. Actually, although nowadays "温" is considered a simplified character, both "温" and "溫" were used in ancient Chinese documents. For example, the Kangxi Dictionary specifically says "溫：温本字" (see [1]). --Stevenliuyi (talk) 05:02, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I see. I saw somewhere a note (ah, wikt:溫 under wikt:溫#Related_characters) that "温 (Simplified Chinese, also the preferred form used in modern Hong Kong)" An example that unexpectedly the now called 'simple' char might be seen when one would expect the trad char?
And I keep being amazed you are able to figure out all these trad chars from those printed smudges, even looking at the Minnesota scan! That's part of the fun here, seeing all those. Shenme (talk) 23:31, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Shenme: FYI I found http://www.bnasie.eu/BN/Books?ID=2729 a few days ago, and they have quite clear scans. So now whenever I am uncertain about a character, I will look at the scan there. (I just added the link to Index talk:Eminent Chinese Of The Ch’ing Period - Hummel - 1943 - Vol. 1.pdf) --Stevenliuyi (talk) 01:24, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oh my, much more distinct! And the PDF looks about as good. Thanks. Shenme (talk) 02:19, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Eminent Chinese of the Ch'ing Period entries[edit]

I came across a red-link for Shên Ping-chên that I wondered about, since you have gotten so far into volume 2. I looked in the TOC at Eminent Chinese of the Ch'ing Period and realized that "Shên Ping-chên" wasn't in the list.

I see "shen pao-chen" that begins p. 644, but "shen ping-chen" on p. 644 and p. 645 are missing?

Missing or just accidentally skipped?


Also, I've seen somewhere a template or two that creates a compact alphabet TOC that allows jumping to e.g. the 'S' entries. Something like {{TOC}}, which can be used with {{anchor+}} or {{anchor}} within the list of entries. This is a _big_ list of names. It might be nice have a jump list. Shenme (talk) 09:22, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Shenme: Thank you for spotting the mistake, I have now fixed it. I have also added TOC and anchors to the list. It might also be nice to jump from the anchors back to the TOC, but I am not sure what's the easist way to implement it. --Stevenliuyi (talk) 03:38, 19 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]


It seems that the page Eminent Chinese of the Ch'ing Period/Fêng ch'üan needs to be renamed as "Fêng ch'üan". All the references in text are using the capitalized given name.

I haven't renamed a page in a long time. Do you mind doing that? Then the entry in the TOC needs change of "Fêng ch'üan" to "Fêng Ch'üan". Shenme (talk) 21:29, 19 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Shenme: I just fixed it. --Stevenliuyi (talk) 01:17, 20 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Checking for broken links from typoed names (a third pass over text?)[edit]

Later, when you have done all the work and finished volume 2, it would be nice to check for any red-links that still remain. A recent example of this is p. 239 where

ECCP lkpl|Lin Tse-hsü

needed to be

ECCP lkpl|Lin Tsê-hsü

Before the second paragraph had a red-link, now fixed just by correcting one character.

Do you know of a tool to find all red-links in a set of pages? Is it okay for me to ask at Wikisource:Scriptorium/Help ? Shenme (talk) 04:07, 27 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Shenme: Yes it's a good idea. I don't know such tools, so feel free to ask for help. --Stevenliuyi (talk) 04:12, 27 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Need tool: check range/set of pages for redlinks Shenme (talk) 03:31, 29 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Fixing things (there are always more things)[edit]

One time I saw a project I was interested in. (I can't find which one now...) Other people were working on it also, and I proofread a few pages, and I validated a few pages.

At a later time, when the project was validated and finished, I used that project for an experiment. I went back and reviewed the first 100+ or so pages, looking for errors missed.

Even though the people proofing/validating were some of the 'good' editors here (me too?), upon review I found an error about every 10 pages. Even on the pages *I* had done! And that was relatively simple western text.

There will be errors left behind. It's frustrating, and that is why I try to be so careful in my validation. But that's why I sometimes review the changes you made recently in vol. 1. For instance, I could swear that I had seen the "Emperior" SIC, but I guess I forgot to fix it! So you will see I used search to find if there were more, and fixed those.

If you see a problem that I didn't, maybe I missed more of those? And as I discover problems I sometimes use search to "look harder". For instance, search "lie" insource:/ lie / says I missed one "lie" -> "he" scanno, and there are 5 more to fix.

Still enjoying the project. Still hating Wade-Giles though... :-) Shenme (talk) 05:17, 4 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Shenme: Good point! I've been fixing some common errors, and will look for more. Thanks for the hard work! --Stevenliuyi (talk) 23:11, 5 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Li Tsung-wan or Li Tsung-Wan[edit]

Found another name whose page got created with different capitalization. I have a reference to Li Tsung-wan which shows up as a redlink on page 357 vol 1 == Eminent Chinese of the Ch'ing Period/Huang Shu-lin.

When I look at main page Eminent_Chinese_of_the_Ch'ing_Period/Li_Tsung-Wan the title text says "LI Tsung-Wan", but looking at the scan and the rest of the text it is "Li Tsung-wan".

There aren't that many pages that link to the main page Special:WhatLinksHere/Eminent_Chinese_of_the_Ch'ing_Period/Li_Tsung-Wan, so rather than creating a redirect, just rename the page and fix those 4 links? Shenme (talk) 05:02, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Shenme: Thanks. I've moved the page and fixed the links. --Stevenliuyi (talk) 03:01, 11 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

ECCP: Pages not there in original work[edit]

Working through all the items in billinghurst's list of redlinks, I found two places where the original work mentioned pages (links) that they never actually created!

Page:Eminent Chinese Of The Ch’ing Period - Hummel - 1943 - Vol. 1.pdf/584 refers to missing Eminent Chinese of the Ch'ing Period/Menggebulu

There is no entry in the work for either "Manggebulu" or "Menggebulu". I've looked at the scan pages and there just isn't any text there. What do we put in the text for pages that never existed?

Page:Eminent Chinese Of The Ch’ing Period - Hummel - 1943 - Vol. 2.pdf/281 refers to missing Eminent Chinese of the Ch'ing Period/Uya

There is no entry in the work for "Uya". I found one mention of a "Uya 烏雅 clan".

Also list item:
Page:Eminent Chinese Of The Ch’ing Period - Hummel - 1943 - Vol. 1.pdf/11 refers to missing The Chinese Government

I didn't look at all of the other links to works and authors, but I did see that there is a transcription project Index:The Chinese Government - Mayers - 1897.djvu.

Shenme (talk) 23:18, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Shenme: I'm also not sure what to do with those missing links. Perhaps we can just show plain texts without links where "Menggebulu" and "Uya" are mentioned? --Stevenliuyi (talk) 03:04, 11 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Shenme: For the DNB I created Dictionary of National Biography, 1885-1900/Blind links and have redirects from the supposed articles to that page. — billinghurst sDrewth 12:01, 11 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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