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This page allows users to request help for minor editorial tasks, ask editorial questions, or look for a user with access to a printed copy an edition used. General questions should be asked at the Scriptorium, particularly if the answer may be debatable. Please add requests to the bottom of the page. Requests for changes directly related to User accounts should be made to the Administrator's Noticeboard, Bureaucrat section. See also Category:Wikisource maintenance, WikiProject OCR (for OCR requests).

Permission to move images is requested

I uploaded five images for instructional purposes and the name of one I misspelled. I don’t know if the ’Move’ action is available on Wikisource, but if it is, I am applying for this permission. I have ’Move’ permission on on the Commons. Thanks. — Ineuw talk 23:31, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Why are you uploading these at Wikisource if they are {{PD-self}}? Wikisource normally only hosts files that are ineligible for hosting at Commons, even if they are WS-specific. If you transfer to Commons, I can delete images here for you. Inductiveload—talk/contribs 00:24, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

I don't think that we have a move permission per se anyway for WS. Moving files was problematic and they pulled some magic within the mediawiki software and applied that Commons, I don't think that it was ever considered to be turned on at WS, and probably due to that images should be at Commons. Either way, as per Inductiveload, moving them to Commons is the answer.

When the images are of temporary nature, it’s much easier to have them deleted on Wikisource. I haven’t fully developed the idea and the look of a satisfactory visual demo. For example, I already found the idea of a full page image is unnecessary and cumbersome, but it will take time until I remake these images and their sequence. When the idea is fully developed, I will crate a permanent home on the Commons.— Ineuw talk 02:10, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

In that case, give me about 24 hours to upload better versions to the commons, and will request deletions.— Ineuw talk 02:12, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Done See my talk page. Inductiveload—talk/contribs 01:40, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

DJVUs

How would I get all these PDFs, here, into a single DJVU file? And how would I get the OCR text to show up once the index is made? Thanks! Digipoke (talk) 00:40, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

If you are looking to upload to Commons, then we are limited to a 100MB file, and I would think that such a compilation would exceed that limit. Is there any special reason that you were wanting them compiled into the one file? If you did want to look to a lesser number of files, it would be best to merge the PDF files, and then we could upload the file to archive.org and get derivative files generated, and that would normally include a DjVu. Alternatively there are a few people who build their own DjVus from PDF files. For more info on the processes have a peek at Help:DjVu files and Help:Proofread. — billinghurst sDrewth 06:53, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

I can convert PDFs to DJVUs if needed. I will see what I can do to merge into files by year, but I can't make any promises yet about quality or file size, though a cursory glance indicates that it should fit under 100MB at a decent quality. I will keep you updated, feel free to poke me about if I don't get back in a few days. Inductiveload—talk/contribs 23:22, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice, I think I've managed to do it properly. On a related note can someone help me with this table please, it's a little too complicated for me. Also should I transclude each day separately? E.g. The 1st page starts the day of the 21st and the 2nd and 3rd continue the same day. Should the first part, before the times (the headings), be in the header so it doesn't show up when transcluded and the day looks like one long table? I'm not sure if I've explained this properly so I'll try to find an example. Thanks. Digipoke (talk) 17:57, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

I have started the page, and just treat as a 5 column table from there. With regard to continuing pages, I would think that if you copy the header component to subsequent pages to the header that would be fine. Start each central component with

<!--placeholder text-->
|-
| …

and that should prevent space gobbling. Also to end each page with the table close in the footer. Your challenge will be to determine how it is going to be transcluded whether it is a day at a time, or a week or a month, and that may depend on what and how it is linked to externally, or other pages within the work. I would suggest to do some pages of transcription get a few together and run some trials either in Wikisource:Sandbox or in one in your user pages. This is the sort of work that is the first in the space, so it is going to be some trial and error, and probably working through a variety of opinions. — billinghurst sDrewth 11:30, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! Once I've finised some tables, I will try out some transclution options and see what works best. Digipoke (talk) 18:52, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Problem with djvu upload

I am getting a strange result regarding two djvu files I uploaded to Commons. I asked there a week ago and haven't gotten any response, and I'm hoping someone on this project is familiar with this problem. I uploaded a number of djvu files from archive.org and most of them went well (a multi-volume work), but File:Federal Cases, Volume 28.djvu and File:Federal Cases, Volume 19.djvu did not. I cannot navigate to particular pages in them and the thumbnail is just an icon. There is also some text contained (some) file information following the icon which doesn't appear on other djvu pages. Index:Federal Cases, Volume 28.djvu and Index:Federal Cases, Volume 19.djvu do not even detect the files on Commons at all, although they are there. I downloaded the files from Commons and was able to open them on my computer, so they do not appear to be corrupted. I re-uploaded one of them to see if there was a problem with the initial attempt, but that did not solve the problem, either. I'm new to wikisource and the whole djvu thing, so I don't know if this is a common or easily fixable problem. RJC (talk) 14:13, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

There is something wrong with the file that Commons isn't liking., it isn't detecting components, see [ × pixels, file size: 79.16 MB, MIME type: image/vnd.djvu] O am unable to tell you more than that. I will see if we can delete it and try again. — billinghurst sDrewth 17:00, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

This sometimes happens when the first internal indirect djvu file is named "0000.djvu" or something just as similar where "page 1" doesn't translate properly as "djvu page 1" but as a null or shared library/dictionary file normally does instead. I had this problem where the GoogleBooks disclaimer page had to be deleted in order for the rest of the djvu to process and render properly in the Index: namespace for this reason awhile back (though I don't see anything like that in this case from the directory of files currently on Archive.org). Re-checking the existing djvu on Any2Djvu might be enough to "break it free" but the resulting text layer most likely won't be as good as the one imported by the Archive.org folks. You can always try re-djvu-ing the pdf from Archive.org over on Any2Djvu.org if all else fails. -- George Orwell III (talk) 19:22, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Help with Template

Is there any way I can get this template to display at its proper width, when put on this or any other Condor index page? Digipoke (talk) 19:00, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

hmm, it seems to be gobbling the table opening for some reason, and I cannot give more time now. As a general comment, we wouldn't be putting an INDEX directed contents table into the main ns. I would only see this table applicable for use in Index namespace or a project related space. With regard to width, what do you define as "proper", you don't say what is happening. You can always try a min-width if it is gobbling space, or you can give it a fix width. — billinghurst sDrewth 22:13, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

The problem was the table was really thin, but I've used the min-width and it seems to be working, although the table does look slighty different on some pages (Issue numbers taking up 2 lines), but I think it's fine. Yes, only for the index pages to navigate to another volume (index) more easily. Thanks. Digipoke (talk) 17:44, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Changing username

Please rename my account to "Vanished User 5693". Reason is w:WP:RTV. And delete my current username from actual page version. —unsigned comment by His Shadow (talk) 21:21, 12 August 2011.

Please make these type of requests on the Admin's Noticeboard at the end of the Bureaucrat section. Remember to sign your request next time as well. -- George Orwell III (talk) 22:24, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Request cross-posted to WS:AN. Inductiveload—talk/contribs 19:32, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Swap page in djvu file

Hi. I came across this page, with an unreadable left part Page:History of Hudson County and of the Old Village of Bergen.djvu/57. I found [scan] where the page is readable. It is a scan of the same original and here the page is readable. Is there anyone who can swap the page in the djvu file? Thanks --Mpaa (talk) 20:20, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Done Cheers, Inductiveload—talk/contribs 19:25, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. If I go to the page above to proofread and remove 'Problematic', I still see the old page. But if I click on the Image link on top of the page, the new image is there! Do you see the new one? Is it only me? --Mpaa (talk) 22:58, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

I see a readable scan. I have marked it as Proofread. — billinghurst sDrewth 08:12, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

Unable to add new text

While trying to add a new page through the search function, there is no way to add a new page. The Help contents say that there should be an edit button at the top of the page. I don't see it. Joe Chill (talk) 01:26, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

You need to go to the desired page, such as New Page, and then you should see the edit button. It won't appear in the search screen. By the way, it is preferred that texts should be backed up by a scanned copy. If you need help locating an online copy or uploading one, please ask. There's a guideline at Help:Beginner's guide to Index: files, but it is easier to see how this works in practice a few times before one feels confident enough to do it himself (based on my own experience). --Eliyak T·C 07:01, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Would this be wrong to do?

I added A Bit Of Sunshine and I saw that words have a slash after each syllable in the scanned book so I added them. In the case of the Wikisource page, should I edit it to remove all of the slashes? Joe Chill (talk) 00:23, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

No, that is correct. The primary aim is to replicate the text. The best thing to do in this situation is to upload that Internet Archive book to Commons as a DjVu and then proofread it using side-by-side page scans. That we we have an easily verified source of the transcribed work. Inductiveload—talk/contribs 07:30, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

As a start, if you are interested, I have set up Index:A Bit of Sunshine.djvu for you to play with. Don't worry about breaking anything, experiment freely and leave a message here or at my talk page if you need anything. :-) Inductiveload—talk/contribs 07:45, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Continuing tables

What have I done wrong here? Trying to get the table from 102 & 103 to carry on by using the headers and footers, but it keeps misplacing the 1st row of the 2nd page. Thanks in advance. Misarxist (talk) 12:14, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

It needed a either a leading {{nop}} or <!-- comment first line--> which stops the first bit of the line being treated as characters rather than wiki table formatting. I have also had a little play through the table. You may also wish to consider adding a table width as the full width on a wide screen does tend to make the table lose form. — billinghurst sDrewth 13:22, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Catholic Encyclopedia (1913)/Masonry (Freemasonry) only half there

Hello. I was looking at the article on Catholic Encyclopedia (1913)/Masonry (Freemasonry) from the 1913 CE, and, the last half of it appears to be missing. Can someone load the last half of that article? Thanks! --Kenatipo2 (talk) 21:47, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

There isn't much activity happening in that project at this time, and most of the work has been more about getting the text aligned with the images. More detail at Wikisource:WikiProject Catholic Encyclopedia Upgrade. If you are looking for the text, and know the page, you should be able to look at the original scan via that link. — billinghurst sDrewth 22:49, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Thank you, Billinghurst. --Kenatipo2 (talk) 05:07, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

I've now completed the article by pasting in the rest. Charles Matthews (talk) 08:00, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

Restoring a Page to Validated Status?

Hi! I am wondering if it would be possible to remove my edits to Page:Wood Beyond the World.djvu/129 following my validation edit at 09:28, 19 October 2011. The later edits were unsuccessful attempts, (including adjusting the page status back to earlier statuses) to manually fix the "trailing lf" issue (see User:SDrewthbot/trim trailing LF ) I think the trailing LF issue, for now, can only be fixed by bot, and does not impact the validation of the page. But I am no longer eligible to validate it, bc I have a later edit at Proofreading status. So, I'm requesting either my later edits to be removed, or someone else to validate that one page (if that would be simpler.) Thanks! Lini (talk) 01:29, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Done I just validated it, that seems easier. Inductiveload—talk/contribs 01:40, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Thank you! Lini (talk) 11:28, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

general public documents and...

1. I cant seem to figure out how to upload a scan of a document and have it side-by-side the wikified version.
2. I also want to know if its appropriate to upload scans of open documents like state board of health meeting minutes, and things like that?

thanks Pulmonological (talk) 21:09, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

For the first point, you upload the file to Wikimedia Commons if it is public domain in the US and in the originating country (which is the US as well?). Say you upload the file File:Sandbox.djvu, you then go to Index:Sandbox.djvu and fill in the form there. You can then go the pages by Page:Sandbox.djvu/1, where the "1" is the page number of the page you wish to edit. After you save the index page, you will get a list of pages if the file is a DjVu or a PDF.

As for the appropriateness, I can't say for sure, but if it is a document by the US federal government (but not by contractors to the federal government), then it is should be Public Domain and suitable for inclusion here. State government works may be copyrighted and vary by state, you can read Copyright status of work by U.S. state governments at Wikipedia for more info. That's really all I can say without knowing the full details of the work in question. Inductiveload—talk/contribs 21:19, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

The documents are in the public domain, copyright isnt an issue; the issue is the appropriateness of inclusion of every document in public domain even if its a memo about lunch - made public by way of requirement of law. I guess if its public domain, its public domain. Nothing wrong with being a source for as much information as possible right? Pulmonological (talk) 21:35, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

Further, here is exactly a thing I am super confused about Hawaii Revised Statutes Chapter 466D - Respiratory_Therapists.djvu and Hawaii_Revised_Statutes_Chapter_466D_-_Respiratory_Therapists

We don't have a "notability" criterion like Wikipedia, so technically every PD text is hostable. However if it is a mess or lacks source data or clear copyright-free status it could be deleted (but only after a discussion at WS:PD or WS:CV). "Drive-by" copy-paste jobs which often result in orphaned works with no incoming links and low text quality are discouraged, even if the document is public domain. We'd rather have a well-formatted text that is well integrated into the Wikisource collection.

Exactly what are you confused about? The first link is not a file link, as it does not begin with "File:". If you want it to exist, you need to upload a PDF or DjVu to Wikimedia Commons at commons:Special:Upload. The second is a valid mainspace page that you have just created. If you wish to have a scan-backed work, you need to upload the original file to Commons, create the index and then add the text from the mainspace to the Page: pages. H:SIDE and H:INDEX can help you navigate this system. Inductiveload—talk/contribs 22:43, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

Rendering a page in pdf

I came Wikisource in response to a request at w:Wikipedia:Help desk#The Statement of Randolph Carter. The user there wanted to render “The Statement of Randolph Carter” in pdf. I thought I could render The Statement of Randolph Carter, but the pdf showed only <pages index="Avon Fantasy Reader 10.djvu" from=55 to=60 /> instead of the text of the story. I found I could create a semi-usable pdf from Index:Avon Fantasy Reader 10.djvu pp 53-58, rendered as a book, but that maintained the page divisions of the original. Is there a way to create a pdf that looks like The Statement of Randolph Carter? —teb728 t c 22:23, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

This is a know bug of the PediaPress-maintained "Collection" extension with respect to the "pages" tag, which is heavily used at Wikisource. A bug has was filed here in November 2009, and the PediaPress team has recently been made aware of the importance of the problem, but we have seen little progress with it to date. This issue is somewhat related to the recentrequest for ePub support at the Scriptorium. Inductiveload—talk/contribs 23:42, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

As a temporary solution, depending on whether you have MS Word or not, you can copy/paste the text from Wikisource into a Word document, then convert it to a PDF document via Save As/PDF. That should do the trick. If you can't, let me know. Londonjackbooks (talk) 23:55, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks to both of you. —teb728 t c 21:24, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Requesting page validation

Accidentally changed the status of this page Page:Popular Science Monthly Volume 48.djvu/606. Can someone please revalidate it? Thank you— Ineuw talk 08:10, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Done. ResScholar (talk) 09:59, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Index:Female Prose Writers of America.djvu

This Proofread of the Month for April 2011 is nearing completion, and needs only five more of its pages validated. I can't do them myself because I happened to have proofread those pages. Your help would be greatly appreciated by myself, and I'm sure by my fellow contributors Inductiveload and George Orwell III who have worked hard on bringing this work to final completion. ResScholar (talk) 13:29, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Done — billinghurst sDrewth 14:00, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Adding a poem

I'm trying to add Byron's poem "The Corsair" using the text from Project Gutenberg. This is what it looks like right now:The Corsair (Byron). It looks like a mess right now because I haven't fixed the formatting. I was hoping that there is an easier way to fix the formatting rather than going through it line by line. Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks! Kerowyn (talk) 01:04, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

See Help:Editing poetry. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 01:30, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Do you have a link to the Project Gutenberg text? I have a 3-vol. set of Byron's Poetical Works (from "A Book Lover's Library of Poetical Literature" in 25 vols. (not sure of publication date, but definitely post-1824); I only own the Byron 3-vol section of the set—vols. 6-8 of complete set). I don't know an easy way to fix formatting, but I can scan the pages from my book for easier side-by-side proofreading... The books are in a precarious way anyway (my old parakeet Edna—named after a poet—chewed up the page edges!) Let me know! AKA Londonjackbooks 22:46, 1 March 2012 (UTC) P.S. "The Corsair" begins Vol. 2 [7] of the set, so copying would be fairly easy! AKA Londonjackbooks 22:51, 1 March 2012 (UTC) ...and it includes a dedication letter "To Thomas Moore, Esq."... AKA Londonjackbooks 22:52, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

It's not the exact set of books you are talking about, but we have it in a scan at Index:The Works of Lord Byron (ed. Coleridge, Prothero) - Volume 3.djvu, at page 249 (217 in original numbering) and does have the dedication letter. Inductiveload—talk/contribs 14:51, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Awesome, thanks! It'll be interesting to compare the two versions... Any clue what the publication year of my set might be? It is not stated. By the way, at the bottom of some of the pages, it states, e.g., "6—Byron(1)—A", "6—Byron(1)—B", etc... Does the lettering denote sections where the book was bound? Just curious... AKA Londonjackbooks 15:06, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

I think those small letters are something to so with the binding process. You often see them scattered at the bottom of pages, and I assume (but don't know) that they assist with the ordering of the booklets that make up a full book. I have no idea when your set was published, but WorldCat has a record for 1814 (you said post-1824, so it could be a later edition). This is all speculation, I'm afraid. Also, unless it was art intervention, with a poet as a namesake, you would think Edna would know better than to damage books! Inductiveload—talk/contribs 15:24, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

I don't think Edna (of the Millay variety) liked me very much... She went through/I put her through an awful lot in her short life. She bit me on the nose once! :) But as far as knowing better than to damage books, she probably learned that nasty habit from me—who didn't/doesn't always know better... Brings to mind a certain book/books, etc. . . . AKA Londonjackbooks 15:37, 2 March 2012 (UTC) An interesting (perhaps) side-note, and very much off-topic, I purchased Edna along with an Emily (of the Dickinson variety)... Edna would never let Emily eat the bird food, and was always pecking at Emily's heels; and one day, Emily just up and died. But I continued to care for Edna despite... AKA Londonjackbooks 16:08, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Mainspace titling

Would like to know how I should go about titling for Byron's 7-vol poetry set. I have titled The Corsair thusly: The Works of Lord Byron (ed. Coleridge, Prothero)/The Corsair, but now I am wondering if it should not be The Works of Lord Byron (ed. Coleridge, Prothero)/Volume 3/The Corsair? or some other way? Thanks, Londonjackbooks (talk) 20:29, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

I think the way you have it is fine, because the works are distinct and have simply been gathered in the set of books. When there are too many layers to lex it gets quite awkward when doing wikilinks from other works. [For example, I'm having huge problems with linking to some of the works of the Ante-Nicene Fathers with up to six levels of sub-paging (Chapter of Book of Work by Author in Volume of Mainspace).] I see volume divisions in a collection like the Byron as being an artefact of the printing and publishing process. That said, there is a counter argument when the volumes are released over several years (usually by subscription) - e.g. A Dictionary of Music and Musicians. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 08:30, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Perfect, thanks. Londonjackbooks (talk) 11:31, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

"block infobox"

Sorry if I'm posting this in an inappropriate place but is there anybody interested in helping me here? Thanks in advance. Americophile (talk) 10:27, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

here is okay. I have answered at the template. — billinghurst sDrewth 11:19, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Tried to remove vandalizing comment and affected format

I tried to remove a vandalizing comment someone added at beginning of the story of Lucia Flucker Knox from The Women of the American Revolution by Elizabeth F. Ellet. When I did so, it removed the wrap from the first paragraph. Sorry, can someone please fix it? Thanks!

There was a space at start of first line. — Phe 21:02, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Huh? A space? Sorry, I am a busy-body this morning... too much coffee! AKA Londonjackbooks 15:30, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Sidenotes

See Page:Cricket, by WG Grace.djvu/491. The right hand column italic headings move to the left hand column on tne next and alternate for about 6 pages. Should I make them all with RH headings or keep like the original? My concern is what the transcluded mainspace page will look like. Moondyne (talk) 08:11, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Have a look at A Desk Book on the Etiquette of Social Stationery where we've used alternating sidenotes in the Page namespace, but transcluded them in mainspace as all on the left side. The code for doing this is on Index talk:A Desk Book on the Etiquette of Social Stationary.djvu. Cheers, Beeswaxcandle (talk) 08:17, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Cool, thanks. Moondyne (talk) 09:05, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

One page image not displaying in edit mode

See Page:Letters of Junius, volume 2 (Woodfall, 1772).djvu/22. Image shows OK until I go to edit mode when it shows as black. All other pages seem OK. Moondyne (talk) 09:29, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Seems to have fixed itself. Thankyou Sonja for validating. Moondyne (talk) 01:02, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

Speedy required

Can an admin delete Page:Cricket, by WG Grace.djvu/bt please. Created by me in error and am unable to add deletion tag for some reason. Tks. Moondyne (talk) 01:34, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Done -- George Orwell III (talk) 02:41, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Need help creating a Wikisource Index page

I uploaded a .djvu file of a public domain story to Commons at http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Small_Town.djvu. That seems to be OK. Then I tried creating an Index page for it originally using http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Help:Beginner%27s_guide_to_Index:_files for reference and then some other help pages plus looking at some already uploaded and indexed files. Things didn't go quite as I expected from the Beginner's guide but I got something and tweaked it a bit until some things appeared correct in their fields and linked to what they were supposed to link to (or so I thought anyway)though I never seemed to get all things right. My impression was that what I was doing per the Beginner's guide would create the Wikisource page and it seemed to create a page in Wikisource but every time I saved it I got error messages about the page not existing. Maybe there are more pages involved than I realized. Anyway, I probably have a page of some sort created on Wikisource though I've lost track of it so can't delete it or keep trying to get it right. Basically, I may need to delete something I'm not able to relocate right now or I may just need to make some changes to get it right if it does exist BUT what I mostly need is something like a walk-through creating the Wikisource Index page so I learn how to do it correctly for this and future uploads. I'm just finding this confusing and frustrating although the guide indicates it should be a pretty straightforward process. Help would be much appreciated. Refrigerator Heaven (talk) 15:12, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

I think your issue was having the word "File" in your Index page title. I moved page Index:File:Small Town.djvu (your original title) to Index:Small Town.djvu. An admin might wish to delete the original erroneously titled Page... I'll take your word about the story being in the public domain, as I'm not familiar with all that... Hope this helps! AKA Londonjackbooks 16:16, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. Knowing that "File:" shouldn't have been in the Index page title should be very helpful. Index:File:Small Town.djvu was probably not my original title, I made a lot of edits throughout the process that don't show because I canceled them in Preview. I've looked at the history to see what was done to fix it and that helps me learn also. The accuracy of the public domain status is my responsibility but I wish to assure you I researched everything very carefully and that I would not attempt to sneak anything in that wasn't public domain or that I wasn't certain about even if I didn't think it would be noticed. Refrigerator Heaven (talk) 04:50, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

I've cleaned up the help page a little for clarity (especially a new message box to cover the page names in a nutshell). There are a few more bits and pieces I could do, so I'll come back to this later, but the basics should be clearer now. - AdamBMorgan (talk) 17:29, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for working on the help page. I've not looked at the changes yet but I appreciate you working to be helpful and improve things. Refrigerator Heaven (talk) 04:50, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Problem with an article

Hi, I'm an en.wiki editor and admin. While reviewing and editing a page on en.wiki ([1]) I came here to look at what was indicated was the wikisource copy of that document, Report of Van Fleet mission to the Far East). However, after looking at it, I became confused...and realized that the document is not what it claims to be. Rather, it is only an excerpt of that report. Note the "Contents" section which shows 18 sections in the original document, then note the rest of the information--it covers only 1 section of that article (section 13). Why? Well, because that section is a reference cited by the Korean government in making arguments relating to a territorial dispute. Now, I don't know anything about Wikisource's procedures, or inclusion criteria, but this concerns me. First, if the article is kept the way it is, can it some way be re-labeled as an excerpt? Second, I'm concerned about the accuracy of the information--given that it was copied (I am fairly certain) only for the purposes of advancing this specific argument, I'm worried that 1) other parts of the document may have conflicting information, and 2) I'm not even comfortable extending AGF (en.wiki policy) to what is there being accurately copied. Within the confines of Wikisource's policy, what is the appropriate procedure? Qwyrxian (talk) 21:54, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

It is a poor quality text: incomplete with no source (and certainly not proofread). It could be tagged as {{incomplete}}. The best option would be to complete the text, preferably with a DjVu or PDF as reference, but unfortunately, I haven't been able to find a complete version online. However, excerpts have been deleted before. So, I will take it there for more opinions. - AdamBMorgan (talk) 23:46, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the assistance; I'll watch that discussion and see what happens. Qwyrxian (talk) 08:46, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Issues with original translations

About two years ago, I added some original translations to Wikisource of short classical Buddhist texts (e.g. Saṃyuktāgama 34: Five Bhikṣus, etc.). However, these were never regarded as "Wikisource translations," and the status of them was unclear at that time for myself and others (I also posted here at that time inquiring about the situation). Over the course of two years, I have seen that this situation may be problematic, as I have tended to update the translations frequently according to my own research, whereas Wikisource is mostly used for static content. It does not seem that Wikisource is equipped to handle this type of original public domain work. In retrospect, I think it would be best if these translations were completely removed, but I am not sure what the best method of doing that is. Any help would be appreciated. lapislazulitexts (talk) 11:42, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

The issue of WS translations is a matter of some debate, but a weak consensus exists that if an English translation is not available elsewhere, they are positive contributions to the WS library. I would personally recommend, rather than deletion, adding the orignial Chinese(?) to the page, thus providing some level of verifiability to the translation. A side-by side paragraph setup can be achieved with wiki tables, as follows:

{|
| Paragraph 1 - Eng
| Paragraph 1 - Orig
|-
| Paragraph 2 - Eng
| Paragraph 2 - Orig
|}

--Eliyak T·C 01:16, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Problematic template

{{Author}} For some reason, the documentation of this correctly uses an ndash to refer to date ranges (cf. w:WP:DASH), but in the instance of Author:Richard Lugar incorrectly uses an mdash. I would edit this myself, but it's protected. Please fix this malfuction--it should be straight-forward. Thanks. Koavf (talk) 22:55, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

I assume the point of that was to easier differentiate between no fixed date range (i.e. Mr. Lugar is still among the living; no death year yet so a date range is not appropriate even though technically it is an unknown) vs. an unknown specific year of death but it is safe to assume (a ~100 year gap from birth-date) his or her death has indeed taken place (i.e. indicated by a question mark so a date range applies even though technically that is also an unknown - just not for the same reason as the previous instance).

I have no problem changing it, however, if my assumption here is shown to be invalid by other folks. -- George Orwell III (talk) 01:03, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Simple solution At the risk of being pedantic or condescending, just make it so that if the death field is empty it reads "[YEAR]–present" (with an ndash)--that will fix the problem, right? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 01:12, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Also It would be advisable to add a alt field for alternative text (cf. W3C standards and w:WP:ALT.) —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 09:02, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Formatting

Anyone have any ideas about formatting diagrams like the following: Page:Native_Tribes_of_South-East_Australia.djvu/197? Just thought I'd ask before I admit defeat and scan it as a pic...Misarxist (talk) 16:59, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

You could play with {{Familytree}}. I used it on Page:A Dictionary of Music and Musicians vol 1.djvu/121 and elected to use the default boxes, but the borders can be removed. I'm not sure how to replicate the arrows in your diagram though. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 00:46, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Maybe adding arrows together with text?--Mpaa (talk) 10:39, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Thx, just what I wanted. Any idea how I center the one I've done on this page Page:Native Tribes of South-East Australia.djvu/317? (The arrows from 'special characters' seem to work well enough on one I did in a table.)Misarxist (talk) 13:13, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

added margin: 0.5em auto 0.5em auto; to the CSS stylings and it seems to have done the trick. -- George Orwell III (talk) 13:56, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Copyright status of speeches by Irish politicians

I have added speeches by the Irish Taoiseach (prime minister) to Wikisource in the past. Before I added them, I wrote to the Oireachtas (Irish parliament) to inquire about copyright status of such speeches and received the reply that "As the Oireachtas debates are a matter of public record there is no copyright attached to them." After that, I added speeches by the Irish President, too, on the same basis (being a matter of public record in Ireland). These latter speeches were deleted without warning as alleged copyright violations some weeks ago.

Since then, I wrote to Áras an Uachtaráin (the Irish President's home and workplace, equivalent to the White House in the United States) to inquire about the copyright status of his speeches and today I received a reply saying, "You are correct in assuming that the President's speeches and remarks are a matter of public record and as such are copyright free." In fact, the Communications Manager of Áras an Uachtaráin continued, "I appreciate the work you are doing in bringing the President's speeches to a wider audience."

I want to do two things here: I want to re-upload the speeches by the President that were deleted but, more importantly, I want to begin the process of altering the erroneous Wikisource policy that is hostile to such speeches as I have uploaded. I want to submit my e-mail correspondence to Wikisource as a matter of record and to find out what else is necessary to cause a rewrite of Wikisource policy to prevent future deletions. Please advise me how to proceed. O'Dea (talk) 06:23, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Do you have any response from OTRS, or specific details to back up the lack of copyright (an Act of the Oireachtas, for example)? If so, we could update {{PD-IrishGov}}. The licence could be wrong but we need more information before changing it. On top of simple proof, we need to know about any specific date ranges or a possible list of inclusions or exclusions. We then need to be able to point to something that either backs this up or establishes that we have checked and confirmed this in some way. - AdamBMorgan (talk) 10:12, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Once the copyright status has been confirmed, you will not need to upload the works again. They can be "un-deleted". A discussion listing all the deleted works should be started at Wikisource:Possible copyright violations. JeepdaySock (talk) 10:29, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

For reference, the speeches in question have been userfied:

1. Michael D. Higgins' Inaugural Address
2. Of Public Intellectuals, Universities, and a Democratic Crisis
3. The Role of the University at a time of Intellectual Crisis

(They will still require the process described by JeepdaySock to return to the mainspace once the licensing has been resolved.) - AdamBMorgan (talk) 10:41, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Oh, yes, the OTRS! I could not remember that term when I left my question here earlier. I sent a question to OTRS (I have forgetten how, so I could not contact them again, which is why I came here) back in March or April, or I sent them a copy of my original e-mail from the Oireachtas last year (by now I have forgotten what I sent them, too) – but whatever, I got no response from OTRS acknowledging my statement about having proof of copyright-free status. The evidence I have is my e-mail correspondence; that contains e-mail addresses and the names of specific individuals that Wikisource can contact independently to verify my claims. I don't want to just edit {{PD-IrishGov}} myelf or I will be laughed at. Someone with appropriate authority needs to see my e-mails and follow up with independent verification. I just want to know who to send them to, and how. O'Dea (talk) 15:53, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

OTRS is the place to go with that but I can't tell you what happend as it's a restricted system. Even if you forwarded your correspondance to someone else, they would still need to go through OTRS to officially confirm the licence. It might make this a little easier if you could copy and paste the e-mails (with personal details blanked) into a subpage of your userpage (like the current locations of the speeches). This will at least make it easier for other Wikisource users to understand the issue and maybe find the problem.

I can see that part of the problem is that the Áras an Uachtaráin website seems to be asserting a copyright on these speeches (see the footer of their copy of Michael D. Higgins' Inaugural Address for example). In the United States, the White House solves this problem with an explicit Creative Commons licence, which would resolve our present problem without the need for more e-mails if we can't solve it some other way. Another part of this problem is that everything I've found so far about Irish copyright law appears to assert a 50-year copyright term for Government works (for example, Wikipedia) and I have not found anything else that states this is waived for Presidential speeches. - AdamBMorgan (talk) 17:31, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

I can second those findings. I've been up and down the 2000 Act, the 2004 & 2007 Amendments, even the EU related tangents, and can't find anything that remotely deviates from the "50 years from creation" rule in general or that specifically excludes / includes the Irish President from being just another "regular" government employee in the eyes of the law. I am also unable to locate any nuance in the statutes that defines "[matter of] public record" that could help separate Presidential speeches or remarks from classic Presidential works such as secondary or statutory instruments (think Executive Orders here), which most certainly seem to fall under the same 50 year caveat as the other Irish legislative products do.

Adam is right that the easiest solution would be to for the office of the Irish President to incorporate a CC by 3.0 license to cover any remaining "non-classic" works created such as speeches or remarks. The next best solution would be for a similar response as the one given by a government official that actually cites the statute(s) that supports the 'matter of public record' assertion. Without one, it would be hard to defend against any future questions on the matter since the law seems to favor, at least to the layman, the 50 year inclusion rather than exclusion from copyright protection. Finally, and in the absence of the prior two solutions, there might be a possibility to justify hosting these works on an Irish Constitutional mandate basis. If a line can be drawn from the work connecting to something akin to a constitutional mandate as a basis in or a basis for creating some work was induced as part of carrying out the President's sworn oath, then it may be possible to justify a state of public record exists without being specifically defined; allowing for the hosting of such works. The last option becomes problematic however because some speeches are policy driven while others may be political or horatory in nature and thus still not be justified for hosting using the Constitutional mandate argument. I haven't checked the Irish Constitution for such language but assume something like like that is in there based on what I've read on the IE webpage. -- George Orwell III (talk) 00:08, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

• I have place an anonymised copy of my correspondence with Irish officials here: User:O'Dea/Irish copyright. I discovered that I sent e-mail to OTRS in March, or to permissions-commons@wikimedia.org (is that the same thing?) but I received no reply. That e-mail is also included at User:O'Dea/Irish copyright. O'Dea (talk) 22:24, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

• Did the OTRS on these get completed? If copyright has not been validated as appropriate for WS the userfied pages should be deleted. JeepdaySock (talk) 15:28, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

• Yes, the OTRS process was completed (ticket 2012032510004135) and User:Prosfilaes restored the userfied pages. Case closed. Thank you to OTRS for helping with this process. O'Dea (talk) 18:05, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

Adding URL and adding author page

I created Mega-Schools, Technology and Teachers: Achieving Education for All Book Review, but I don't know where or how to post the URL. I also can't find how to create an author page. I just posted the source on the talk page. SL93 (talk) 01:00, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

The website lists the Commons 3.0 Attribution Unported License, but elsewhere the site says "IRRODL retains the exclusive right for commercial publication and distribution." That makes no sense so better to tag it for deletion. SL93 (talk) 01:07, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Done - it is deleted. -- George Orwell III (talk) 03:50, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

template:hanging indent/s

I'm proofing an index in which the hanging indexes span the page breaks, but when I try to use the /s and /e notation, nothing appears on either page - at least on the Page. Is this normal? Chris55 (talk) 14:57, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Fixed using hanging indent start, middle and end. See on the template page. - Digipoke (talk) 15:31, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, didn't read the documentation carefully enough!! Chris55 (talk) 18:17, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

There is also {{hii}} which has an inherit function, and is designed to be open/close. — billinghurst sDrewth 07:03, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

Match & Split

I'm attempting to use this tool and it got through 1 page before reporting "no match". I fixed it as far as I could follow the instructions, but this time the "MATCH" link isn't a link. Can anyone help? The page is The Book of the Thousand Nights and a Night/Volume 3. Chris55 (talk) 17:18, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

You were missing a ":" after the MATCH code. I am going through the book now. It seems to be getting stuck on footnotes. --Eliyak T·C 18:15, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

I have finished the matching. You will want to place the footnotes in their proper spots before splitting. --Eliyak T·C 18:34, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Ah, there are only 400 of them!! But thanks very much. Chris55 (talk) 19:13, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Having thought about it, it isn't such a big deal as I already have a script for restoring Gutenberg-style footnotes. But what is a problem is that on every page the match routine has transferred one word to the previous page. Is this a known bug? How do I even find out where the code for this is and how issues are reported? Chris55 (talk) 23:35, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

This work isn't an appropriate candidate for "Match and Split" to the particular Index file. We don't know what the source of original text is. Specifically, we don't know that these the same edition from the same publisher in the same year and city.

With respect to the words slipping backwards across pages, it mostly happens when there are hyphenated words. I suspect in this case, because the footnotes had not been "wikified" the process got confused with these. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 03:19, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

I'm quite sure the source of the text on the page is the Gutenberg transcription of 1001 nights and that in turn is based on the private edition of Burton's work, not the later Smithers version. I don't know whether it's the Shammar or Bassoreh or another of Burton's printings or whether there are significant differences between them but I don't think this is the cause of the problems. The index file I loaded is the Bassoreh.

There are no hyphenations on most of the pages. I could certainly wikify the references first and try again but the material would still not be at the foot of the pages so the comparison with text from the scanned pages would still have problems. I'm impressed with the match routine—it seems pretty stable. But looking at the first 10 pages of real text (index 17+) only 6 have footnotes but the same error has occurred on 9 of them and continues on the other pages. Chris55 (talk) 07:03, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

section transcluding

What am I doing wrong? When I have 2 sections on a page, then the second section shows a two line break at the next page break. An example is at The Book of the Thousand Nights and a Night/Volume 3/1. I've tried with and without a section end at the end of the page (and even in the footer) and it has the same effect. Chris55 (talk) 22:05, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

onlysection should only be used when your from & to page numbers are the same. Otherwise you'll need to use fromsection &/or tosection in those instances where more than one page makes up the from and to range. Follow? -- George Orwell III (talk) 22:18, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Got it, as always I didn't read far enough in the documentation... Thanks. Chris55 (talk) 22:34, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Gaelic font

I'm working on a page in Notes & Queries (Series 2, Volume 11, p. 36 [50]), which has Gaelic script. The options I can think of are:

1. Type it in latin letters and use css with a list of known Gaelic fonts.
2. Crop the specific words from the source image and add them as pictures to the page.
3. Make my own SVG image for each word using as accurate a font as possible.
4. Make a template that could do the preferred above option, and would allow future editors to overcome the same problem, and even if not perfect at the moment, would be future-proof.

Can anyone give me advice on the best way to tackle the problem? Xensyria (talk) 02:09, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

You bring up my past frustrations - I created a template to do just that, using a font with and permission from its author. Sadly, the OTRS process seems to have failed, and the "right people" never got confirmation of release under the creative commons license. This means all the files I uploaded were deleted! <insert nasty language here>. The best I can offer is my prototype - {{Insular}}, which is not really gaelic and is a bit messy. --Eliyak T·C 02:43, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Is there a Gaelic/Celtic web font available in open source? I believe that we can look to have a bugzilla request to have it loaded. See mw:Help:Extension:WebFonts — billinghurst sDrewth 10:50, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Ah! I didn't know about web fonts; I've emailed a font author and the owner of the best Gaelic font website, and will look into the bugzilla request process if successful (I may have a go making a font if not). Thanks Xensyria (talk) 14:09, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, your {{Insular}} template will work for now. Could you also link the OTRS discussion? I'd be interested to know on what grounds they threw it out (though it sounds depressingly like the worst parts of Wikipedia). Xensyria (talk) 03:11, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

There is no discussion, as far as I know. I followed the procedure at commons:Commons:Permission, forwarding the creator's email reply to permissions-commons@wikimedia.org on Jan 15, but on Mar 9, commons:User:Fastily deleted the files without any notice I can find. I didn't realize they were gone until much later. --Eliyak T·C 03:54, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Do you have contact information for the OTRS request? You should have received a ticket number, still have it? Alternatively, what were the pages at Commons, and did they have OTRS pending marked upon them? — billinghurst sDrewth 10:44, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

I did not get any response to my email to permissions-commons@wikimedia.org. Having never done this before, I didn't know to expect one. The files were all named Gaelic-a.svg, Gaelic-b.svg, etc. The deletions can be seen at the middle of this page: [2]. I am fairly certain I had attached an OTRS pending tag to all of them. --Eliyak T·C 14:33, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

• w:Gaelic type lead me here http://www.smo.uhi.ac.uk/~oduibhin/mearchlar/fonts.htm#Free seems to be several free fonts, I did not check for PD status or correctness. Would seem to be a good place to start anyhow. JeepdaySock (talk) 14:53, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

For the record, the font I originally identified and SVG'd is Gadelica. It was originally available under a non-commercial license, but the creator (Séamas Ó Brógáin) agreed to release my SVG derivatives under CC-BY-SA. --Eliyak T·C 15:39, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

By chance he was the font author I emailed earlier today, and he has said that he's also willing for anyone to use it as a webfont, as long as it's done in compliance with the non-commercial license you mentioned, and the font remains unchanged. Is this enough for our purposes? If not we could ask him whether he would be willing to release a version of the font licensed to allow these things specifically. --xensyria^T 23:38, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Font request added to Bugzilla. Fingers crossed. --xensyria^T 00:23, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

Looks like the request failed "Status: RESOLVED WONTFIX " JeepdaySock (talk) 10:44, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

At least it only failed due to the licencing of the source, rather than no interest. — billinghurst sDrewth 11:25, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm pleasantly surprised at the interest in this, and no matter how annoying it may be to get this off the ground, the open licensing of the font is important (especially if we have to modify the fonts to suit our purposes). I've emailed the author of Gadelica again asking if he would be willing to release the font with an open license, and have also had a very thorough reply from the author of http://www.smo.uhi.ac.uk/~oduibhin/ and on his recommendations have emailed the author of over twenty Gaelic fonts. He has also suggested certain guidelines for how best to transcribe Gaelic script (and what to avoid); I'll post them here if he gives the go-ahead. --xensyria^T 15:34, 20 July 2012 (UTC) EDIT: 15:53, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Here's the guideline text from Ciarán Ó Duibhín, the author of http://www.smo.uhi.ac.uk/~oduibhin/ :

It seems to me that, by adopting existing Gaelic fonts, WITHOUT EXTRA GUIDELINES, WikiSource will take over and institutionalise a problem for the users of most such fonts, in that text processing procedures (such as Google search) will give undesirable results. With extra guidelines governing the adoption of Gaelic fonts by WikiSource, the problem could be avoided.

The problem arises because four Gaelic glyphs have been elevated to the status of separate characters in Unicode. They are:

 Unicode $017F: Latin small letter long s               which should be encoded instead as $0073: Latin small letter s
         $027C: Latin small letter r with long leg                                         $0072: Latin small letter r
         $1E9B: Latin small letter long s with dot above                                   $1E61: Latin small letter s with dot above
         $204A: Tironian sign et                                                           $0026: ampersand

If the "characters" on the left are used in encoding Gaelic script text, they will not be recognised as glyph variants of the corresponding character on the right, as they should be for correct searching, sorting, or other processing.

The first part of the guideline is: do not use Unicode characters $017F, $027C, $1E9B or $204A in encoding text in Gaelic script. Use instead the corresponding character on the right above to ensure correct processing. Only one glyph for each character can be displayed in the font; the glyph displayed should be whichever of the pair is historically appropriate for the face. The glyphs presently held at in a font at $017F/$027C/$1E9B/$204A might be simply discouraged from use, or actually disabled.

The guideline is also concerned with choosing the four appropriate glyphs, between two possibilities in each case, to display for a given face. Out of 16 possible selections, there are actually only three which are realistically useful. Faces for which all four appropriate glyphs are those in the right-hand column above are already compatible, but this is the case only of a few unusual faces. For the great majority of Gaelic faces, the Tironian sign et is appropriate rather than a Roman-like ampersand glyph; after that the other three glyphs may be either all short (new) or all long (old). For a small number of faces, short and long choices are equally valid, and for these few, two separate fonts are necessary to provide the choice (unless an OpenType feature can be used to switch between the valid selections within a single inclusive font for the face).

The second part of the guideline is that one of these three glyph selections should be made in a compliant Gaelic font:

Selection A: $0073: Latin small letter s
             $0072: Latin small letter r
             $1E61: Latin small letter s with dot above
             $0026: ampersand
           
Selection B: $0073: Latin small letter s
             $0072: Latin small letter r
             $1E61: Latin small letter s with dot above
             $0026: Tironian sign et

Selection C: $0073: Latin small letter long s
             $0072: Latin small letter r with long leg
             $1E61: Latin small letter long s with dot above
             $0026: Tironian sign et

Many fonts already comply with selection A, though selection A would be appropriate for only a few of them. Gadelica (http://www.iol.ie/~sob/gadelica/) complies with selection C. But in general it may be necessary for WikiSource to ask Gaelic font designers to provide variations on their fonts in order to comply with a selection according to this second guideline. The reason that few Gaelic fonts comply with selections B or C is that almost all of them place an ampersand glyph in $0026, in the probable belief that this is required by adherence to Unicode — which requires an ampersand character, but not any particular glyph.

Would it be ok to make a Wikisource namespace page for these guidelines (perhaps Wikisource:Dealing with Gaelic type or just Wikisource:Gaelic type, but suggestions for a better name would be welcome), which would also provide an overview of what to do when encountering the font, including the current use of {{gaelic}})?

As for free fonts, having emailed the authors of Gadelica and the Gaelchló fonts, it seems both want to retain creative control over their fonts, and would not be willing to release their fonts under the open licenses we require. I may try to make a basic Gaelic font to suit our needs unless someone who knows what they're doing with font design can help. --xensyria^T 10:06, 25 July 2012 (UTC) EDIT: 11:54, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

• As someone who unfamiliar with webfonts, can some one explain what exactly is the licensing concern here? Is there some kind of source code that make webfonts work that is not freely (enough) licensed? Or are you all talking about the licensing of the design of the letters? Because as far as I am aware typefaces are firmly recognized as uncopyrightable.--BirgitteSB 01:03, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

After a little research, it seems that things are complicated: Typefaces is not copyrightable. However, the information which is used to display a typeface as a scalable font is copyrightable. This is the information included in a font file. See w:Intellectual property protection of typefaces. --Eliyak T·C 03:50, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

There is a little nuance there that I want to clarify. It is not that scalable fonts are copyrighted but rather the computer program which scales a font that is copyrighted. The article you linked to mentioned the EU has an automatic design patent on typeface which expires after three years unless registered. It shouldn't be to hard to find a typeface older than three years, check that it is unregistered and then write our own source code to use the design (or probably re-work some source code that is completely free to handle Gaelic.) Then we will be certain to be aboveboard in both the US and EU.--BirgitteSB 12:09, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Oddity with 2 quotes

Can someone explain why these three versions of a sentence appear differently, even though they should be the same?

"But it is clear that 'A believes that p, 'A thinks p,' 'A says p are of the form p says p";

"But it is clear that 'A believes that p', 'A thinks p, 'A says p are of the form p says p";

"But it is clear that 'A believes that p,' 'A thinks p,' 'A says p' are of the form p says p";

The last is what is intended. (You need to look at the wikitext.) Chris55 (talk) 17:05, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Yes, the bold and italics markers are getting mixed up. Looking at what the computer sees when it interprets the wikitext we get:

"But it is clear that 'A believes that [start italics]p[start bold], 'A thinks [end italics]p[start italics],' 'A says [end italics]p[end bold] are of the form [start italics]p[end italics] says [start italics]p[end italics]";

"But it is clear that 'A believes that [start italics]p'[end italics], 'A thinks [start italics]p[start bold], 'A says [end italics]p[end bold] are of the form [start italics]p[end italics] says [start italics]p[end italics]";

(I think the first triple-apostrophe does not get interpreted as bold because there are an odd number of triple-apostrophes in the sentence.)

"But it is clear that 'A believes that [start italics]p[end italics],' 'A thinks [start italics]p[end italics],' 'A says [start italics]p'[end italics] are of the form [start italics]p[end italics] says [start italics]p[end italics]";

If you need to put an apostrophe next to bold or italic text, I would suggest either HTML or <nowiki>...</nowiki> tags around the apostrophe. I've used both in the past. - AdamBMorgan (talk) 17:54, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

See also {{'}} --Eliyak T·C 19:04, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

thanks, I wasn't thinking of the first 3 being opening but it's obvious that it can match that way. I've only recently realised the markers only apply within a paragraph and this therefore governs the interpretation. Chris55 (talk) 21:50, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Help with diagram

I need help with a simple line diagram: I've seen similar in Wikitext but I can't find any documentation. Can anyone point me to it? The page is here but please don't just do it for me, I'd like to learn! Chris55 (talk) 15:34, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

For this I would recommend {{familytree}}. Or {{chart2}} may be better. --Eliyak T·C 15:48, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

Help with anti-slavery letters

Hi, could someone help out by creating a good quality djvu file from Commons:Category:Letter from Anne Warren Weston to Caroline Weston; Monday, August 7, 1837? I have had great difficulty using open source tools to do this on my Mac, I invariably get low resolution files. If you could kick this off by setting up the letter as a book on WS, I would be happy to do the transcription and hopefully this could be a basis for some of the other letters from the several hundred I have uploaded to Commons. Cheers --Fæ (talk) 13:28, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Done at File:Letter from Anne Warren Weston to Caroline Weston; Monday, August 7, 1837.djvu. pyGrabber is a tool I wrote for this kind of thing (and the one I just used), but it doesn't work nicely on Macs, unfortunately, since a lot of the software it uses isn't available for Macs. I am happy to help in future, though. Inductiveload—talk/contribs 14:45, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Paragraph numbering

I want to run paragraph numbers outside the margin of the text on the left hand side. I've seen a template somewhere but I can't remember its name. Note that not every paragraph has a number. Chris55 (talk) 20:58, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

{{Overfloat left}}? --xensyria^T 21:40, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, that certainly goes somewhere to what I wanted: but I don't want it outside the margin of the page - how do I then move the text to the right to make way for the numbers? Chris55 (talk) 22:01, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

A link to the page so we could see exactly what you need would help. You could try {{Sidenotes begin}} and {{Sidenotes end}} with {{Outside L}} and {{Outside R}}. Would look like this. - Digipoke (talk) 22:15, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, a page link would be helpful. Also note that you can play around with with "depth=" parameter on {{Overfloat left}}. --xensyria^T 23:21, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Sorry here's a typical example. Chris55 (talk) 08:09, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

I would do this with sidenotes. {{sidenotes begin}} in page header, {{sidenotes end}} in page footer & {{left sidenote|text}} at the beginning of relevant paragraphs. The dynamic layouts deal with the sidenotes automatically, so there's nothing special to do in mainspace. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 08:39, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Yes, they seem to work very well on the Page. I'm not so sure about the mainspace yet. The example from the template doc: The Solar System/Chapter 1 is a mess. Not only are they not outside the columns but the left/right thing just doesn't transfer from Page to Main. Chris55 (talk) 08:43, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Use {{Outside L}} and {{Outside R}}. Example English Caricaturists. - Digipoke (talk) 08:50, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

The problem with the Solar System example is that it uses a mixture of {{left sidenote}} and {{right sidenote}}. {{RL sidenote}} has been developed to display right in Page and left in Main. Sidenotes is one of the rare times when Dynamic Layout 2 looks alright. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 09:04, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

The Solar System/Chapter 1 at first glance it appears the side notes in the print book are set on alternating pages, at whatever happens to be the outside edge of the paper for each sub section. Keeping in mind that we are not a trying to recreate the print format, you get two different options that will make the web version look better, put all the side notes to one side or the other. Or use the side notes as sub sections of the chapter using == "side note" ==. Jeepday (talk) 11:08, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Original translation?

The page Index:Das Relativitätsprinzip und seine Anwendung.djvu has a German original for an English translation. But there is no indication of the source of the translation. It might be from this or this in which case the translation is probably still in copyright. Any ideas? Chris55 (talk) 12:33, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Huh? It says translated by wikisource on the mainpage header and has a CC 3.0 Share-Alike license attached to it... where are you looking? -- George Orwell III (talk) 12:39, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks George. Didn't look that far. I still wonder... Chris55 (talk) 14:24, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Self-Realization Articles of Incorporation 1935

I uploaded the file above onto Wikisource for the first time. (1) I uploaded my file with a name that needed to be corrected so I corrected the name on my computer and uploaded it again. So the old file needs to be deleted but I don't know how to do that - it is called 1935 Articles of Incorporation (2) I placed a link to Wikisource on the Paramahansa Yogananda page under Legacy but it is not working. What did I do wrong? Thank you! Red Rose 13 (talk) 06:35, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

1. Done The duplicate file with the wrong name has been deleted
2. Don't quite follow you... what is it you were/are trying to do? Transcribe the work to the mainspace?

-- George Orwell III (talk) 07:55, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Thank you George Orwell III for you quick help! I thought I did everything right regarding uploading onto Wikisource and adding the Wikisource document to a page. I tried to add this document to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paramahansa_Yogananda page under the Legacy section. You can see the Wikisource box there. When you click on the box it goes to this page. http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/SRF_Articles_of_Incorporation_1935 saying that the file is not on Wikisource. Not sure what I did wrong. Thank you again! Red Rose 13 (talk) 15:52, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

You may be misunderstanding the point of Wikisource. We take copyright-free old scans, proof-read them using simple text against those scans per page and then transcribe all the proofread text into a single mainspace article for easier reading. You can then link to that article (which is what is happening on Wikipedia except there is no transcription here on en.WS).

If you just want to store a file for posterity and be able to link to it, you should upload it to Commons instead. -- George Orwell III (talk) 23:33, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I see what you mean. I think both are a good idea. It seems all I need to do is retype the document onto Wikisource for easier reading, correct? Thank you again! Red Rose 13 (talk) 00:42, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

superimposing arrows

I'm having difficulty putting arrows on this diagram. I thought to start with $\nearrow$ but it disappeared under the image and I couldn't see how to bring it up. Also I don't know how to enlarge it for the lower example as tex commands such as \big don't seem to be supported. Any ideas? Chris55 (talk) 13:00, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Ok, fixed this by simply adding to the picture. Chris55 (talk) 22:15, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

non-included pages

I've marked an index page as "All pages of the work proper are proofread" but there will still be 90 pages recorded as missing in the statistics. This is quite proper as it's a bilingual work and we're only transcribing the English part (and there are 8 pages of ads). But it seems untidy. I could mark them as "no text" though it's not strictly true. Alternatively, is there is some way of marking alternate pages using pagelist? Chris55 (talk) 09:13, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi. The following was done in a similar case: Wikisource:Bot_requests#Index:The_Oxford_book_of_Italian_verse.djvu.--Mpaa (talk) 11:08, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll try it. Chris55 (talk) 16:15, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

_note_ notation

In reviewing some unfinished proofreading tasks I came across the string "Ladd, 58 _note_[14]" which corresponded to a text of "Ladd, 58 n." in the file Index:Mind and the Brain (1907).djvu p278. It would appear to be designed for some addition to markup scheme for references but I couldn't find any mention of it anywhere. Anyone know anything about it? Chris55 (talk) 14:24, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Someone (I think Phe) has a tool that creates indices with clickable links. Because we don't associate notes with print-pages in the mainspace the link still has to work. I presume that this is the reason for the specific mark-up. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 21:55, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

I can't follow up that particular suggestion, but I've realised that actually it comes from the Gutenberg proofreading process. Although this page doesn't explicitly show the code that is used in the transformation to html, looking at the finished product of this book on Gutenberg shows that the notation came from there. Though their process is different to Wikisource it looks as if it's equivalent to Phe's tool - it would be nice to know where that is. Chris55 (talk) 18:03, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Back cover image

In Page:Cihm 08810.djvu/11, the final cover has been marked as a problem because it has an image. I'm not sure whether this is significant or not: it could be equivalent to the first 4 pages which had not been proofread but had simply library marks or it might be a trademark or whatever. Any ideas? Chris55 (talk) 17:54, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

It doesn't seem to be part of the work itself. I would guess it is the same as the first page, a test image to align the scan. If so, mark it as without text. (In my opinion, some pictorial covers should be uploaded as images and transcluded to the mainspace, but I don't think it applies in this case). - AdamBMorgan (talk) 18:01, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks Chris55 (talk) 18:19, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Delete non-OCR djvu indices

Sorry, I got carried away and uploaded a bunch of bad files. Please delete what I have done, as I work to correct the files. I created about 31 "volumes" starting at Index:The Urantia Book, 1st Edition (1600dpi), Front pages and paper titles.djvu. Thank you. Xaxafrad (talk) 21:50, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

If you are generating the text-layer as suggested here and re-upload the djvu files with text layers at commons, I believe (someone corrects me if I am wrong, pls) that then the text layer should be visible in this indexes and we do not need to delete and re-create them. If instead you want to go for another strategy with a smaller number of files and you want to delete these, that’s another story. Pls just confirm which way you want to move on. Bye--Mpaa (talk) 22:58, 13 September 2012 (UTC) looks like someone already acted … --Mpaa (talk) 06:45, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

uhhh, did you delete those indices to the non-OCR djvus already? I think you did, but I'm not sure. Thanks, if you did. ;)

Otherwise...what was your question? ....yes, we found a sufficiently small file (only 1!) and are going with the other story. Xaxafrad (talk) 07:01, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

Uploading

I uploaded [3] from archive.org but later found a better file at archive. Do I somehow delete the current book and upload the better one? Daytrivia (talk) 15:49, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

For starters, you should always try to rename the file to something more descriptive when upload stuff from IA or GoogleBooks. Something like Life of William Hickling Prescott (1864).djvu would do.

You should probably upload the desired file fresh to Commons using an appropriate file name and create a matching new Index: here on Wikisource. We can then move any existing pages already created before deleting the old Index: page linked above. You should also request a deletion of the old file on Commons independent of whatever we do here on en.WS. -- George Orwell III (talk) 19:03, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. I tried to rename the file but it wouldn't let me. Thanks for the information. I'll see what I can do. Daytrivia (talk) 19:23, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

Generally you would request such at Commons with the {{rename}} template, though usually before you put a load of effort into proofreading the pages, as moving Page: ns pages is a PITA. You can always prod me here or at Commons if you want it hurried along. Others here are admins there, or have the 'move' bit. — billinghurst sDrewth 14:32, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

I have added [4] and would like to get rid of the version mentioned at the beginning of this post. Thanks. Daytrivia (talk) 04:13, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Deleted, the bulk of the Page: ns, and moved those with text. Deleted the Index: page here, and the file at Commons. — billinghurst sDrewth 15:00, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Outstanding! Thank you. Daytrivia (talk) 01:22, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Petition from the King of Rurutu and the Queen of Rimatara and their nobles to Her Most Gracious Majesty Queen Victoria, and to the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom

Can somebody help create this document?--KAVEBEAR (talk) 15:31, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

November 27, 1888: Petition from the King of Rurutu and the Queen of Rimatara and their nobles to Her Most Gracious Majesty Queen Victoria, and to the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom. May you have good health. We, Teuruarii, King of Rurutu and Te Maere, Queen of Rimatara and our nobles, ask for the Prime Minister to place our islands and our ships under the protection of the British flag. These are the islands, namely, Rurutu, Rimatara, and Marià, and there are the names of the ships: Faaito and Ronui, and the masters of the same are natives. This is our word to you: Do not forsake us; we are your children; you taught us the word of God, and that has led us in the path of civilisation; therefore we know that you are a good parent to us. The thoughts of the children cling fondly to their good parent; they do not wish to be separated from their good parent. If the parent forsake the children, the children will seek the parent; so do we; we are like those children, and we ask that you will give us your flag to protect us. We have heard that you have taken Rarotonga and the neighbouring islands under your protection, but we remain without anyone to protect us. When we received the news that Rarotonga and the neighbouring islands were placed under your protection, we wept aloud because we were forsaken by you; we were afraid lest we should be adopted by another paretn. The strange parent we mean is the French. They did not feed us with the milk of the gospel, but you did. O Great Britain; you fed us with that milk which has given life to us. This is our last word to you; we do no wish for French annexation or protection, not al all, but we wish you to be our parent, O Great Britain. We pray you now to accede to this our request. This letter was written in the house of Queen Pa. -TEURUARII, TE MAERE ARII.

• [5] -. page scan
• [6]page scan

This is a bit unconventional for Wikisource, but not, I think outside its remit. If the digitization you link to (or another you can find) is freely licensed then upload it to Commons and then follow the instructions for adding new texts. If it isn't freely licensed and you can't find a free alternative, then you can still add the text, since it's public domain (making sure you link to the source on the talk page), but the first way is preferred. If there's something you don't know how to do (and there are bound to be lots of things if you're new) then try to find out how to do it using the (very good) Help pages first, and we should be able to help if you come across any specific problems; I know I'd be happy to. --xensyria^T 05:04, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Files uploaded. Will set you up for the text here soon. — billinghurst sDrewth 08:52, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Okay, both pages are linked above in situ ready to be proofread. Once these are done, give us a hoy and we can transclude them to the main namespace. — billinghurst sDrewth 10:14, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

It is just the petition not the entire newspaper article. I only place the link to show you guys the source of it. I meant something like the Olive Branch Petition. --KAVEBEAR (talk) 06:00, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Check out the source of the Olive Branch Petition; it's taken from three pages of a larger source (in this case a book). Once (either of) the sources you give have been proofread we can transclude just the petition into the mainspace, like the Olive Branch Petition. --xensyria^T 16:40, 29 October 2012 (UTC) EDIT: 17:11, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Proofread the section that you would like to see transcluded, and just leave an html remark field <!-- proofread to here --> and we can add some setions and transclude it appropriately. We generally don't excerpts, hence why I did the whole news article. — billinghurst sDrewth 10:33, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

I've added it to only Page:England and the Islands.gif. But Page:News, West Coast Times, Tuesday January 8, 1889.gif has the line "and to the Prime Minister" rather than "and to a Prime Minister. Also can someone help me add

• File:Procès-verbal de l'établissement du Protectorat de la France sur l'île Rurutu.jpg,
• File:Procès-verbal de l'établissement du Protectorat de la France sur l'île Rimatara et dépendances.jpg, and
• File:Procès-verbal de Prise de Possession de l'Ile Rurutu et Dépendances par la France.jpg
• File:Procès-verbal de Prise de Possession de l'Ile Rimtara et Dépendance (Ilots Maria) par la France.jpg

like the Olive Branch Petition.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 13:28, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Jump right in and give the actual proofreading a go too – once you have I'll do the second round of proofreading (confirmation). The textual difference comes from using slightly unreliable sources (newspapers are notoriously inaccurate in details); unless there's a more reliable source which backs up one or the other I suggest proofreading both articles so that readers can compare the differences (and it's not all that much more work). As for the two new sources, since they're in French they can be added to the French WikiSource (does uploading pictures to Commons first automatically provide a text layer for the Page namespace?). --xensyria^T 19:18, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

I proofread both articles. For the four French proces-verbals where can I get a person to help me with that on the French WikiSource. --KAVEBEAR (talk) 01:24, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

There are actually quite a few differences:

• 1889 lacks the preface ("November 27" to "May you have good health") of the 1888 version
• 1888: "We, Teuruarii, King of Ruruta"; 1889: "We, Teuruarii, King of Rurutu"
• 1888: "ask for a Prime Minister"; 1889: "ask for the Prime Minister"
• 1888: "the protection of the British flag"; 1889: "the Protectorate of the British flag"
• 1889 lacks a passage in the middle ("These are the islands" to "give us your flag to protect us") found in the 1888 version
• 1888: "Rarotonga and the neighbouring islands"; 1889: "Raratonga and the neighboring islands"
• 1888: "received the news that Rarotonga and the neighbouring islands"; 1889: "received news that Rarotonga and the neighboring islands"
• 1888: "wept aloud because"; 1889: "wept aloud, because"
• 1888: "forsaken by you; we were afraid"; 1889: "forsaken by you. We were afraid"
• 1888: "gospel, but you did"; 1889: "Gospel. but you did"
• 1888: "last word to you; we do not wish"; 1889: "last word to you—we do not wish"
• 1889 lacks the end ("We pray you now" ff.) of the 1888 version

It's hard to tell if any mistakes (and which spelling conventions) were transmitted from the original and how much editing has gone on. Obviously the 1888 paper is more complete, but both have different mistakes; as it's not our job to try to correct our sources or piece together a "perfect" version from various texts, I still suggest proofreading both. Also, are "Ruruta" and "Raratonga" just typos or a different forms/spellings of the words? --xensyria^T 20:08, 30 October 2012 (UTC) EDIT: 20:14, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Ok, I've proofed the rest of the text and validated the petition (now marked as proofread); I also sectioned out the second source (the petition is in a section called "petition") but left the first as you'd marked out. As for the French Wikisource, you can use the same procedure that you've learnt here: you can proofread them by going to fr:Page:Procès-verbal de l'établissement du Protectorat de la France sur l'île Rurutu.jpg and fr:Page:Procès-verbal de l'établissement du Protectorat de la France sur l'île Rimatara et dépendances.jpg and clicking "Créer".

What do I do after I click Creer? Do I write in the text myself? The google book plain text version is riddle with so much mistakes and I have no idea how to make different columns for the signatures. Do you know where I can find a French user who could help me because I have idea how to use the accent marks and I will to copy and paste each letter that comes up. --KAVEBEAR (talk) 11:47, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Also, I can only see a snippet view of the Google sources you give (actually the two links lead me to the same place). If you find both sources on archive.org (where at least some volumes of the same title can be found), I'll upload that to Commons for you, which will give the OCR text to work from, and we'll have a complete source to transclude from. Interestingly, the book (British and Foreign State Papers) is English, but it contains these French texts: would the best way be to transclude the French text from an en Page: into the French Wikisource? --xensyria^T 10:39, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

All four are on the commons now.

• File:Procès-verbal de l'établissement du Protectorat de la France sur l'île Rurutu.jpg,
• File:Procès-verbal de l'établissement du Protectorat de la France sur l'île Rimatara et dépendances.jpg, and
• File:Procès-verbal de Prise de Possession de l'Ile Rurutu et Dépendances par la France.jpg
• File:Procès-verbal de Prise de Possession de l'Ile Rimtara et Dépendance (Ilots Maria) par la France.jpg

Also what would the England and the Islands be titled?--KAVEBEAR (talk) 12:01, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Honestly you guys are useless.--68.116.98.25 07:51, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

The Mystery of a Hansom Cab

ABCTV last night showed a telemovie adaptation of the book. Page views on the wp article have gone through the roof[7] (relatively). If anyone can assist in proofreading at Index:The Mystery of a Hansom Cab.djvu it would be appreciated. Thanks. Moondyne (talk) 05:39, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Done — Many thanks to Beeswaxcandle. Moondyne (talk) 13:25, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Delete unused category

Category:Urantia Book seems deprecated. Please delete, and thank you. Xaxafrad (talk) 07:32, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Done Beeswaxcandle (talk) 08:04, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Transclusion question

If I have several pages that show text on the image pages but no text beside those image pages can I just type in the text and have it still transclude okay when book is completed? —William Maury Morris II^Talk 08:57, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

Do you have an example? I looked around your edits about this time and the problem did not jump out at me. Jeepday (talk) 12:45, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

Nope, not yet but it may come. I refer to the entire volume I of The "Illustrated History of England" that I posted about on Scriptorium. The files are located on HathiTrust and presently I have as all images. However, I *think* that I need all of those in .PDF format. Thank you for trying to help. Would I have to have a text layer or can I just type in the text beside the images? It would look the same as all other books we work on. Respectfully, Maury ( —William Maury Morris II^Talk 14:53, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

If there is no text layer, you can click the OCR Button. There is some discussion at Help:DjVu files on OCR. I am guessing your not familiar with the term so w:Optical character recognition. This is sometimes accomplished automatically, everything on my project Index:Latin for beginners (1911).djvu project is captured by OCR. I don’t remember if it happened semi-automatically or if I had to do a lot of button pushing. I do remember there was a language choice for the OCR program, but as it is in English and Latin, the OCR is pretty ugly as I choose English. That gets you pointed towards your answer, I think. Jeepday (talk) 22:31, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

Hello, Jeepday. I will look over that area you've mentioned above but I am very familiar with OCR for many years now. My Adobe Acrobat ver 10.1.4 can create OCR and so can Internet Archives. However, I don't know what you refer to regarding "click the OCR button" (you didn't say what program) as there are several ways to create optical character resolution including programs. If you refer to a button on our editor, I have never used that--does it work? If you refer to one on HathiTrust I don't recall seeing an OCR button there. My question was not about how to do OCR. My question was about transclusion of typewritten material for curiosity's sake (for now) more than anything else. Respectfully, Maury (—William Maury Morris II^Talk 05:34, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

It has been a while since I did the OCR so don’t remember the details. I have used the OCR button on our editor, but again I don’t recall the details. I guess my main message to you was; lack of a text layer is not that big of an issue, OCR would be the first choice before typing from text (always an option). I recall the OCR tool being down or finicky for a while, but I think that is fixed so I would just go ahead with the import and figure it out as you go. I don’t see a an import link at Help:Contents so maybe add one and update it as you go? JeepdaySock (AKA, Jeepday) 11:38, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Having a djvu/pdf file without text layer is not a good start. Better to make sure to have the text layer in place before uploading to Commons. OCR button is a last resort, also for the quality of the OCR process you get out of it. Upload the document to IA and they will do the OCR. GOIII is expert in this area.--Mpaa (talk) 14:47, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Hello, Mpaa and thank you for the reply. Actually I am thinking of and working in two directions. One idea was just download all images and place them in .PDF format and then place that .PDF file on IA. The other method that I am doing is collecting all files in .PDF format (this doubles the same work) and then placing all individual .pdf files into a larger .PDF and uploading that to IA as well. Then let them all cook in IA until done. It may be a cake that falls in. I do this because I do not know which is the better method but I will find out one way or another by what happens. Some are cooking on IA now. I hope to get the Illustrated History of England volume I here in en.ws and after I finish that I will see if I want to do, and can endure, doing volumes 2-9 of the same project. I know about what GO3 can do but I don't think he likes doing it and he could place instructions on en.Wikisource for everyone. All I really need to know from him is about removing who digitized the works stamps on each page but I can also just leave the danged things there and continue onward. If I can get this project to work then that is wonderful. If I cannot get it to work it will not be because of any lack of trying and of asking others these questions and making these statements. Most respectfully, Maury ( —William Maury Morris II^Talk 18:35, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

How do I remove "Gooble" and "University of XXXX" from .PDF Files? /

I would like to know how to remove "Gooble" and "University of XXXXX" from a few hundred .PDF Files compiled all into one .PDF file? I am working with Adobe Acrobat ver.10.1.4 I know that George Orwell III has done this with the same program I own but if he has ever left a detailed explanation anywhere I am not aware of it and I could not find the instructions on Wikisource in the area about .pdf, .djvu, files for removing the advertising on every page. —William Maury Morris II^Talk 08:36, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

It's a Colour World

How do we create a highlighted word in various colours? Pick a word, any word, just one word, and please show how that word can be highlighted in various colours—or is there an area where I can find this. Searching for highlight doesn't work and neither does highlighter. —William Maury Morris II^Talk 18:13, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Per http://www.w3schools.com/tags/tag_mark.asp "mark" tag is new in HTML5, Internet Explorer 8 and earlier versions, do not support it. Hence you can try it but unless the browser is updated it will not show.

Pick a word any word

But it does not seem to work in Wikisource (works for me in the "try it yourself" link, need another solution. JeepdaySock (AKA, Jeepday) 19:18, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

I have seen highlighted words somewhere on Wikisource but I cannot recall where. I am now suspecting it was on Scriptorium and probably last year. Various colors were used. It was a conversation and people, I suppose, were experimenting with highlighted words. The code may be somewhat like my 4-tilde signature that colors my signature a medium blue and "Talk" as darker blue. I guess colored letters might do for what I seek. At times I encounter a word that is not easily to determine the correct spelling. As I edit these complex spellings of long ago I wish to color-code the word so that when validating other people can easily spot the suspect word. Presently I have marked two works in pages just as bold aka bold I thank you for trying to assist in this. You are a good, helpful, mannerable, and intelligent administrator. Seek no more. I will do without it. Respectfully, Maury ( —William Maury Morris II^Talk 20:40, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

There is the background switch in the HTML font style tag as a possibility. e.g. A Study of Mexico {<font style="background:lightgreen">[[A Study of Mexico]]</span>}. However, I'm not sure that adding extra spans in the page namespace is a good idea. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 21:16, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

I see what you mean, Beeswaxcandle. I don't think it is a good idea either. I'll just use bold to mark suspect words. Most of them I can figure out the spelling. Some of these very old places and tribes use spellings that I am not in the least familiar with. It is in the days of the Romans invading Celts in the area that became England. The text is also scrambled since each page has two columns but time and effort works that out. Thank you so much. No person would fare well on WS without the likes of our very helpful administrators. Respectfully, Maury ( —William Maury Morris II^Talk 21:43, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Help - how do I cancel my account

I started an account but don't wish to maintain it. How do I cancel the account, please.

Also - I don't know how to sign my pages. It doesn't look the same as Wikipedia!

Answered on WS:AN Beeswaxcandle (talk) 01:08, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Move over redirect request

• Please move Constitution of Ireland (consolidated text) to Constitution of Ireland using reason "Moving to allow this consolidated text to occupy the default title "Constitution of Ireland" because it is the most complete version." I cannot do this myself because a redirect is blocking me. Thank you. O'Dea (talk) 18:53, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

Declined. The page Constitution of Ireland should be a versions page. See Help:Disambiguation for more details on how to do this. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 19:19, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

Footnote behaving strangely

Hi, on this page I have a footnote that for some reason is displaying as a bullet instead of a numbered footnote, damned if I know why. Any help appreciated, many thanks, Simon Burchell (talk) 13:41, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

I added a {{nop}} after the text which fixed it. I've seen this problem before with ":" indents on the last line but have no idea what causes it to behave like that. Moondyne (talk) 14:26, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for that - I'll bear it in mind in future. Best regards, Simon Burchell (talk) 17:37, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Trying to create 1-page index returns error

Hi, I'm trying to create a couple of 1-page indexes for missing pages from the full PDF that I managed to get hold of elsewhere.

The imported pages are Page:Means 1917, p32.png and Page:Means 1917, p33.png.

I created a new Index:Means 1917, p32.png but it is reporting a "no such file exists" error; as a result I am forced to directly transclude the pages here, which looks messy.

Obviously I did something wrong when I set up the Index, but I just can't see it. Any help appreciated, Simon Burchell (talk) 11:24, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

I fixed it, but this is not the preferred way to go in these cases. You need to rework the pdf file, insert missing pages there and re-upload to commons. A bulk move of the rest of the pages is then required to realign to the new file. Pls fix the pdf file, provide the details on how pages needs to be realigned (move existing PDF positions nnn to mmm up +offset [new range Dxxx to Dyyy] to quote GOIII:-) ) and then we can take care of moving the pages.

Golden rule: better to check for file integrity before proofreading the text. Less work afterwards.--Mpaa (talk) 12:00, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for that - I'll see what I can do but I don't have a PDF editor. Simon Burchell (talk) 12:02, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

OK, downloaded a free PDF editor and I've fixed the sourcefile - a few hours work and I should have everything back in order... Simon Burchell (talk) 17:36, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

I've cleaned up my own mess - Page:Means 1917, p32.png and Page:Means 1917, p33.png and their indexes can be deleted. Thanks, Simon Burchell (talk) 20:52, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

I saw that you made the alignment manually. Hopefullly, there will be no need in future, but in case the process can be done with a bulk move, saving all the copy and paste. See my note above. Pls mark for delete your files at commons, I'll take care of the local ones.--Mpaa (talk) 21:05, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, I should have paid more attention to your original post - all the best, Simon Burchell (talk) 21:09, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Justified text block template?

I am looking for a template which justifies a block of text along the lines of the templates {{Left|, or {{Right|. I am aware that there is a natural justification, but the one I was looking for is with two user specified parameters. width, and L, C, or R float.— Ineuw talk 00:22, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

Before I misunderstand what you're looking for specifically, why don't you point to me to an example where this is needed by you. -- George Orwell III (talk) 02:43, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

This image caption is a good example where the caption width shouldn't exceed the image width in the main namespace. As you can see, I've been using tables, but I thought that a template with an optional parameters would be quicker to define and more elegant. Now, I realize with all the possible user defined parameters, perhaps I should keep using a table, or at least a table imbedded in a template. — Ineuw talk 03:35, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

A couple of possibilities:

a) Use {{block center|text}}, where XXX=width of image. What you could do is then use {{justify}} on the text within. Much easier than fiddling with tables. See Mr. Punch's Book of Sports for examples of this.

Alternatively, use {{img float|file=filename|align=center|width=XXXpx|cap={{justify|text}}}} per example at User:Beeswaxcandle/Sandbox4. The advantage with the second possibility is that if one wants to float the image to the left or right of the page, one just changes the "align" field. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 18:00, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

Beeswaxcandle, Thanks for pointing me to the {{justify}} template. Including your instruction, that's exactly what I wanted. — Ineuw talk 19:48, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

How to add a file for inline reference

Here is the file File:Affidavit AY from Phil Lib to SRF 1953.jpg - I tried to make it an inline citation but it didn't work. Any suggestions? Is this how without the brackets- wikisource-inline|File:Affidavit AY from Phil Lib to SRF 1953.jpg |Legal Transfer Affidavit of Autobiography of a Yogi from Philosophical Library to Self-Realization Fellowship Thank you!Red Rose 13 (talk) 13:10, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Hmm, I'm not sure if we can host this image here. I may be wrong though, mostly as I don't know the laws on something of this nature; did the Philosophical library make it public domain or something? Did you scan it yourself or maybe pull it from the Philosophical Library? - Theornamentalist (talk) 13:23, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

In what sense do you mean "inline citation"? Wikisource is not Wikipedia and I can't think why you would have to cite anything. If you mean an annotation, we have no templates for that (the draft policy should be around by the end of the month, however). In that case, and assuming a clearly identified annotated work, <ref>[[:File:Affidavit AY from Phil Lib to SRF 1953.jpg]]</ref> would be a start. - AdamBMorgan (talk) 19:30, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Problem logging in as User:Thekohser

Something strange is happening. (I am User:Thekohser here, in good standing on Wikisource.) When I try to sign into my account, I get the notice: Login error Incorrect password or confirmation code entered. Please try again. Even if I try to reset my password via e-mail, I get the same notice using the temporary password. This phenomenon is what happened when at one time my account was inappropriately placed under a "Global lock", which was decided by an out-of-process discussion between two administrators on another Wikimedia wiki. A Wikisource bureaucrat saw that the "lock" was inappropriate, and my User name was renamed, then named back again to "Thekohser", which had the nifty effect of undoing the global lock, at least as far as Wikisource is concerned. Is it possible that the new WMF "single user authentication" thingy they are working on had re-instituted the inane global lock on my account? I ask if someone with the necessary tools could please look into this matter, and then notify me here (in public) and/or via private e-mail (my user name, at gmail). Note, this problem is also happening on (for example) Wikimedia Commons, which is another project where I am in good standing and the global lock was worked around. -- 2001:558:1400:10:79C9:1DF9:AC6D:32BB 17:34, 15 May 2013 (UTC) (as, Thekohser)

Hmmm.... I wonder if any of this applies to you - please see Wikisource:Scriptorium#.5Ben.5D_Change_to_wiki_account_system_and_account_renaming and touch back here. -- George Orwell III (talk) 19:44, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

I can't see anything that would be causing this. The block action page and the blocklist confirm there is a global lock but no local block. You probably need a bureaucrat, or someone from meta, to have a look. The single user login changes were my first thought too but as the SUL account was already around I don't think it should have made a difference; all previous notices were about potential conflicts between non-SUL accounts. NB: Special:CentralAuth/Thekohser and Commons:Special:BlockList/Thekohser say you are explicitly blocked on Commons, however. - AdamBMorgan (talk) 19:56, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Please weigh in at Meta with your opinion. -- 2001:558:1400:10:AC59:E4DF:6A5C:CD23 19:56, 16 May 2013 (UTC) (as, Thekohser)

To note that accounts of the same name, and email address have been unified if they could be, and therefore the global lock that had been applied to the account has now been reapplied by the system. Thekohser has made a request to have their global account unlocked. That said, I am not certain that an encouragement for comment is exactly how a process that we encourage. — billinghurst sDrewth 12:21, 17 May 2013 (UTC)