"On one trip on Air Force Two to watch a rocket launch, Kellogg pulled the Vice President aside and said, "Sir, you've got to end this and here's how you end it. Walk in there and say: I ain't gonna do it. Not just that you can't do it, but you won't do it."
A No.
Q Do you remember saying anything like that?
A No. First of all, that's not how I talked to the Vice President. Even though I do -- I would probably say "ain't" a lot. I would talk to him in very precise terms. , that is not a quote.
Mr. Coale. Can you share with us who wrote this book?
Mr. . This one is from "Peril" by Bob Woodward and Robert Costa.
The Witness. I -- I -- no.
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Q Did you ever say anything like that --
A No.
Q -- to the Vice President?
A No.
Q Did you ever give him advice to kind of stay with his conviction and stand strong in resisting efforts by the President to ask him to take some action?
A No, I don't, because that was not my lane, . This thing goes back probably to somebody like Marc Short or Greg Jacobs to do it.
I did tell him I admired his -- when you look at somebody in the political environment and the pressure they're under you admire their -- whoever it is -- their political -- ability to withstand a lot of political pressures.
And I was -- you know, very candidly, , and I love both Donald J. Trump and Michael Pence, and I was the -- probably the only person in the White House that had
