User talk:Stalik

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Again, welcome! — billinghurst sDrewth 11:29, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Deleted CoE work

Hi. I looked at the copyright for CoE works, and the text at https://www.coe.int/en/web/portal/disclaimer would indicate that we cannot host the work. — billinghurst sDrewth 11:30, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

This should be some kind of tasteless joke. Because I didn't publish 'a work' but the text of an international treaty. This means it is an international law. How could the text of the law be copyrighted? --Stalik (talk) 19:58, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

@billinghurst, will you care to explain? --Stalik (talk) 06:20, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

You are pointing to a document that is published by a body that claims its copyright. The website specifically says

“

© Council of Europe Unless otherwise indicated, reproduction of material posted on Council of Europe websites, and reproduction of photographs for which the Council of Europe holds copyright – see legal notice “photo credits” – is authorised for private use and for informational and educational uses relating to the Council of Europe’s work. This authorisation is subject to the condition that the source be indicated and no charge made for reproduction. Persons wishing to make some other use than those specified above, including commercial use, of information and text posted on these sites are asked to apply for prior written authorisation to the Council of Europe, Directorate of Communication.

”

which is outside our ability to reproduce as our works can be reproduced and sold (our licensing). Please show me that the work is not covered by copyright in US law and that the restriction is inappropriate, and we can host it. Maybe the UK publishes it under a free license, etc. — billinghurst sDrewth 10:21, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

I don't have to show you this. It is a principle in law - law is public, including international law. This derives from the binding force of the law and people's obligation to know the law - Ignorantia juris non excusat. There are few exceptions with national law but I never heard of copyright over texts of treaties. See also print version of the Convention: https://rm.coe.int/CoERMPublicCommonSearchServices/DisplayDCTMContent?documentId=090000168008482e. And then, even if it is not, please see their copyright notice on their dedicated page on treaties: https://www.coe.int/en/web/conventions/disclaimer. Quote: "Reproduction is authorised, provided the source is acknowledged, save where otherwise stated". --Stalik (talk) 11:08, 3 February 2019 (UTC)