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Hello, Juxtap, and welcome to Wikisource! Thank you for joining the project. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

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Again, welcome! Beeswaxcandle (talk) 02:37, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Curly punctuation[edit]

Long-standing approach has been that asking people to do curly punctuation is unnecessary, as it is not evident to many people, and then we end up with a hotchpotch through a work. We cover this in Wikisource:Style guide#Formatting. — billinghurst sDrewth 01:36, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing this out. However, the Hound of Baskervilles is not completely proofread, and it is no more effort for me to curl the braces while I proofread the pages and fixes the other things (errors in the text, dashes, paragraph breaks etc.) I have found about 1 correction per page, on average, so far (other than the braces), so I hope I'm making meaningful contribution here. The Style guide states that the rules are flexible, so I hope my behaviour can be tolerated, for this one book at least. Juxtap (talk) 02:11, 6 July 2012 (UTC)


Excellent work, Juxtap, your book is now completely proofread and completely validated. The book naturally is an excellent one considering the author. The images were worked over to a perfection in clarity and color from the originals. You chose well and all you have done is much appreciated. Thank you so very much for that interesting read as I validated it. Kindest regards, Maury ( William Maury Morris II (talk) 01:39, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

/*smart quotes vs straight quotes - by the rules */[edit]

Juxtap, I answered your question to the best of my ability on my talk page.

Further I used WS:HELP and found the following.

3 Particular guidelines

3.1 Punctuation

Avoid extra spaces around punctuation, eg., colons, semvicolons, periods (full stops), parentheses or commas, or reproducing incremental spacing found in justified text.

Use typewriter quotation marks, straight not curly, see rationale and discussion at Wikipedia:Style Guide Quotation marks.

I also asked two adminstrators both of whom are very smart.

Kind regards, —Maury (talk) 04:01, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

Problem with the use of smart quotes & Formatting the pages[edit]

Not only does Billinghurst make his explanation here as do I (Maury) when I was asked on my talk page but there is something else about the use of smart (curly) quotes. When a page is formatted to remove all unwanted spaces, and there are many of those, then all smart quotes (curly quotes) are automatically changed to "typewriter" like quotation marks. Considering this and the rules stated here by Billinghurst and myself, a work seems not to be completed if smart quotes are not changed to straight ("typewriter) quotes. It is impossible to format a page using shift+alt+x to close up all spaces without changing smart quotes to straight quotes. I think smart quotes are typically made offline and not using the editor here on wikisource but that really doesn't matter when it comes to proof reading and then formatting the pages. In short, it seems that a page with smart quotes is incorrect according to the rules here on regardless of how much any given book is completed with smart quotes. —Maury (talk) 05:26, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

Hi Juxtap, it's good to see you around again. I thought it would be easiest to answer Maury and yourself here. Several of us, including Maury, use a clean-up script written by Hesperian. Among many, one of the things it does is convert curly quotes to straight quotes. We just press a keyboard shortcut and it all happens for us. This is in line with what the Style guide recommends. We had an extensive discussion about this a couple of years back on Wikisource talk:Style guide and came to the general conclusion that we would leave the recommendation in place, but allow for individual works to use curly quotes—provided such use is documented on the Index talk: page. In other words, if you want to use curly quotes on The Return of Sherlock Holmes, that's fine as long as you document it. An example of the sort of documentation I mean is on Index talk:The Spirit of the Nation.djvu. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 08:02, 30 May 2014 (UTC)