User talk:WadiArial

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Again, welcome! --Jan Kameníček (talk) 20:27, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

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Hello! Welcome! I just tackled two of the pages that you tagged for needing math.

If you could toggle the purple "Problematic" instead of the pink "Not Proofread", then it will be easier to see from the index page which maths have been done and which haven't.

I'm gonna toggle the ones that have the template on them now, but if you could toggle that for the future pages, it would be a great help. Thanks!--RaboKarbakian (talk) 23:22, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

Also, could you proof read the parts that aren't math on those pages? I find it interesting that you would choose an algebra book to proof read here, without knowing how to make math in markup.

Marking pages with a template doesn't use much brain matter, so maybe you could proof read them also or move along to a different project. Thank you for your understanding in this.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 05:11, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi, thanks a lot for your message.

I am actually trying a project Gutenberg approach. There they first only use text, then text formatting, special formatting like math comes later. https://www.pgdp.net/d/walkthrough/en

It is a lot easier method for proofreading imo. Doing text, formatting, image, math tags at the same time requires a lot of time and effort. I can barely do a page in 5-10 minutes.

But if one focuses on text, formatting, image or math formatting, one can complete them faster. (Division of labour)

Hence, the not proofread tag with mmf tag. As the pages were not fully proofread. Mostly the text was proofread.

I can use problematic tag if you want.

Thanks.

WadiArial (talk) 09:05, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

Also, I am a bit familiar with LaTeX. But as I mentioned, it will probably be faster to go through only math instead of doing all the markups at the same time. So I thought that tagging them using mmf would be more appropriate.

I will use problematic if you prefer.

Thanks. WadiArial (talk) 09:12, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

The math tag means many things. One of those things is "I can't do this". I was putting the image tag on works where I was going to do the image, wanted to do the image, had the image already done. So when someone else did the image, I could not complain. Now, I just mark the page "problematic" which is a great way to find the image pages at my leisure. See Category:Pages with missing mathematical formulas. The category had been filled with encyclopedia articles, etc. with 1 or two formulas.

I like gutenberg. I respect their system. Errors still get through though. Respect and "getting thoroughly bored" can and do co-exist. Here, users can toggle pink (first) and yellow (mostly proofed) and one other person needs to toggle the green, but the source texts don't wait for that. So, while there were many languishing in F3, waiting for an expert, ours can "go to the front page". Heck, if you really want your book to be "done" you can, while in the first "Create" page, re-run the ocr, proof it, add the images, format it and skip the pink button entirely. But you don't have to. It is not against any rules to use the gutenberg here.

So, the question is, Do you want another person to do that math?--RaboKarbakian (talk) 15:14, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

Yes, those are advantages of wikisource of course. I am not comparing the two sites.

What i meant was that when someone starts an (almost) untouched document, it MIGHT be easier for that person to do the text first. The same person may do the formatting later after completing a chapter (or the whole document) or someone else may do it later or immediately after a page is finished. It will probably be easier to format once the actual text (in that particular page) is proofread. So if anyone is interested, they can of course do math, image etc.

Sorry, I am new here. WadiArial (talk) 15:30, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

Searching for "missing" tags within a document or a table for these may be helpful in this case. Not sure how to do that. Probably will have to use the advanced search option.

Thanks. WadiArial (talk) 15:35, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

And I am using the purple tag now as you suggested. WadiArial (talk) 15:38, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

Using that particular template says that you definitely need help. It is a quality that gets lost in the "officious language". If you are developing software or simply would like a visual (which are other things that the template does), another template can be created for that purpose.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 15:51, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

A GUI LaTeX / Math editor would be handy here. It is in Wikipedia probably not here at wikisource. WadiArial (talk) 14:22, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

One hunt and peck is as good as another, I suppose. I find the edit "tools" to be mostly annoying and sometimes a problem. They have a <math> wrapper in the character drop-down/radio thingie. Most LaTeX algebra needs underscore and carat, easily accessible from regular keyboards, more of a challenge from mobile.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 15:34, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

Indeed, but still if matrix, int, greek letters etc. tags / wrappers were available, it would be a bit easier. It might be possible to add some in the user tags collection. But I am not sure how to do that. WadiArial (talk) 15:44, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

Tags and GUI are combined in the form of math mode for convenience in Word Professors such as Word, Docs etc. Once in math mode, the LaTeX tags may be used in addition to the gui options. Here it is possible to use the LaTeX tags to write faster yet there is less chance of getting lost in so many tags.

Still as you have said, algebra typesetting is a little less daunting here. WadiArial (talk) 07:10, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello,

I see that you are using columns in text. As per WS style guide this is not necessary. The columns do not render well in phone browsers either.

It should be okay to use single column. The exercises in the "Example" after each chapter may be placed serially. This will be both easier to proofread and easier to render in various browsers.

Thanks.

--WadiArial (talk) 05:48, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

{{Multicol}} uses tables. On mobile, it renders into a single columm. I have a photograph of Multicol doing just that if you would like to see it.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 14:53, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

If you would like the numbers to be proofread a certain way, then you should find the template that says "I need help to proof read these numbers a certain way" and use that instead of the "I need help with math" template. Like this:

[Person drives car into mechanics garage with flat tire

[Mechanic fixes flat tire

Person: I needed a new distributer cap, why are you fixing the tire? I like the white walls in and a certain kind of tread. I can fix the tire myself.

Mechanic: I want to get the car out of my garage.

I am having to proofread the numbers first. So, I am doing it the way I like. There are almost 200 pages with that template on it and unproofed numbers for the math. I am pretty much doing the book, and as such, I like to make books as I see them. If the numbers were pre-proofed, I would not be changing their order and such to get the math done.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 15:29, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

That's perfectly fine. I am not asking you do it this way or that way.

I was not aware that multicol or div col can efficiently handle columns w/o micromanagement. In that case they should be less trickier than tables. But of course you could use tables if you like.

I only thought that it might reduce your labor that's all. I am not too familiar with WS proofreading so these tag, command etc. related questions arise in my mind. I understand that these are not new to you, so you have your own method.

Thank you. WadiArial (talk) 16:40, 15 October 2021 (UTC)