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Again, welcome! — billinghurst sDrewth 11:48, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

  • Thank you! Maybe later I will participate in the English Wikisource too, although currently I'm not certain about it. --Nigmont (talk) 18:19, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
    Boo over here. Do feel that we can help at Wikisource:Scriptorium, we are a friendly and helpful bunch, and know many tricks with our formatting of transcluded pages. — billinghurst sDrewth 14:04, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

Template:new texts[edit]

For your completed work Special 301 Report, Issue 1992, please do consider adding it to the linked template so the work can appear on the front page. We do especially ask for good edit summaries for works added to the template. Thanks. — billinghurst sDrewth 07:19, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

Hello, Billinghurst! Really, at first time when I started creating those 301 Report issue pages, I thought about of placing them to that template, but I worried that such exposing would not be helpful and profitable for the front page because those works are of not large size (comparing to books that commonly are placed there), so I avoided to do so... But if you think it would be good — yes, then I do it.
Regarding you said "good edit summaries for works added to the template": sorry, but I don't understand what did you mean — could you provide some explanation for me to understand, please? Which edit summaries do you mean? Summaries on the edits of proofread pages, or summary on the edit with which the final transcluded page of a work (e. g. Special 301 Report/1992) is created? Or something else? --Nigmont (talk) 18:03, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
Upd. I have added an entry for the Special 301 Report Issue 1992 to the Template:New texts. But I am not sure that I chose the most appropriate look (maybe it should be "Issue 1992 of the Special 301 Report" or anything else?), so I don't object if someone would correct the entry changing it to more suitable look, if it is needed. --Nigmont (talk) 20:13, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

Link templates for compilation works[edit]

Hi. To make things easier when you come across biographical works of an author in one of the compilations/biographical dictionaries, we have a series of templates ready made to make the linking easier (and standard). You can find them in Category:Internal link templates. If you find any of these types of works where a link template should exist, or should be improved then please let me know and I will create one or edit the existing. — billinghurst sDrewth 06:32, 7 October 2016 (UTC)

Oh, sorry, I didn't know about that category... Thanks for pointing this out for me, I'll take this in account. --Nigmont (talk) 16:58, 7 October 2016 (UTC)


Nigmont, The first page you did on Twain left the — marks out. They are necessary when the book shows them. Compare your version and the corrected version and see that words run together when you leave them out e.g. likethis. —Maury (talk) 09:21, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

@William Maury Morris II: I'm sorry for my missing of that symbol on that page (as I understand you mean Page:Boys Life of Mark Twain.djvu/19 which you fixed after me). But really I was aware of that symbol and the thing that you said here, you can see this from my edits where I put that symbol where it had been missed by other users (i.e. I did the same as you did after my edit): e. g. this and this. Unfortunately, I failed (because of distraction of attention at some moment) to do the same on that page which you noticed, sorry. I will try to be more careful on this matter, thanks. --Nigmont (talk) 17:38, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
Nigmont, there is no need to be sorry for anything with these books. We here work together and help each other if we can while knowing nothing or little about most people using aliases. I only pointed it out so you would be aware. I didn’t now you were already aware. It needed fixing and that’s what I did, otherwise it might not be noticed as you continued on. Mistakes are a human trait and we also find them in books we edit. Everybody makes mistakes. I know about no other mistakes that you may have made. Some time ago we were told to close up all spaces. That looks strange at first just like no indentations are not mistakes when copying text from books. It was just about being aware whether you are new, just slipped up, or didn’t know any different. The thing is to help one another from time to time and still work on your own projects as best as possible. Imagine people the world over all just trying to help others and no wars, starvation, &c! Kindest regards, —Maury (talk) 03:01, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
@William Maury Morris II: Thanks a lot for your clarification, I greatly notice it (or how is it correct in English? — I don't know English well). And if you occasionally find some other defects in my edits which are possibly not known for me — feel free to make me informed about them (I appreciate this). Kindest regards, Nigmont (talk) 21:02, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
Nigmont, most people probably would understand "I greatly notice it" but I myself would say that "I am aware of it" or to make it stronger, "I am fully aware of it." Your English is very good! I don’t know those languages you know. I studied Spanish 6 years and French 2 years but long ago. I don’t even know how many languages there are in the world. I looked on your "user page" and saw your languages. Are you Russian? ( ru ) Internet is fascinating. Just the idea that people so far away from each other can communicate beyond governments is good. I am in the Texas a state in the USA but I was born in Virginia, USA. I am married and my wife made me to come to Texas which is her birthplace. <smile> I am back at my projects working now. Friendship across the world Nigmont! I hope that you have a great life —Maury (talk) 21:26, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
@William Maury Morris II: Thank you for very kind words. Really, if "I greatly notice it" means something like "I am fully aware of it" then this is not the same sense in which I wanted to say, it seems to me that I rather should say "I greatly appreciated it" — it would be closer by sense. I'am not fully Russian but I am from and live in Russia (at neighboorhood to Moscow, the capital of Russia); and regarding my nationality: I'am about half Russian and half Moksha (one of ethnical minorities in Russia, of Finnish origin and Mordvinic kin); but my mother-tongue is Russian, as well for many other Mokshas except those ones who live in rural places and those of educated city dwellers who maintain knowledge of the native language for patriotic reasons. My life is not so great it is rather quiet and modest (since this is followed from my personal habits) but anyway — thank you very much for friendly attitude! And I completely agree: let friendship be across the world — it must be better than e. g. wars and other miserable and terrible things. Great life for you — to the extent and magnitude as you like and wish! --Nigmont (talk) 19:13, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

Nigmont, Yes, you are correct in saying "appreciate" but I would understand either "greatly notice" or "appreciate" it. Your mention of your life is not so great is interesting because "not so great" in English could be thought of as somewhat "sad" and I don’t think that is what you mean. "it is rather quiet and modest" to me means "peaceful" and that is the way I prefer to live. Nigmont, I am age 69 and was in the USA military during Vietnam so I know what no peace is. I value friends that I have in many places of the world and I highly value my peaceful life. I learn a lot about people and their cultures and religion with friendship. I do not learn much without friendship. I have always liked other people in the world. When younger I used my camera a lot and traveled and made friends. Other cultures are valuable and fascinating to me and so are religions. Here in the USA when in college, I met and became very good friends with an Arab. He was born in Taif, a short distance from Mecca. He taught me wonderful things, One thing I could not get him to believe was about meat. We have what we call "hamburgers" and at lunch one day I tried to get my Arab friend to eat a hamburger which is not "ham", it is meat of a COW (beef). It came to America long ago from "HAMBURG", GERMANY. Arabs won’t eat ham because of their religion. All f that was fine with me so I did not eat any either as it might offend him. They did not sit at a table to eat. They placed their schoolbooks on the table. They spread out newspaper pages and sit on a very beautiful carpet and used pita bread to eat. No knife, fork, or knife - just pita bread to scoop up food nearest to them from one large bowl and lots of rice and lamb meat. They prayed 5 times every day and some days they did not eat. They had been a tribal people and did not eat so that there would be enough food so that others could eat. They taught me many things and I taught them. We all enjoyed each other’s company and learned from one another. The world should be like that and no more wars and suffering. People are not always as bad as our governments teach us either. I am or I’m (means I am) in English but not I'am. Peace to you my friend, —Maury (talk) 03:53, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

@William Maury Morris II: at the same moment when I read this your last message, I thought that it should not be left unanswered; but because I wanted to write the answer in most accurate words, trying to avoid more confusion because of my evident lack of knowledge of Enlish, I prolonged the answer; and now, remembering that you (together with most people of your world) are going to meet one of the most significant celebrations of your world, I mind that right now is a good time to write answer (notwithstanding that I still not sure that I've prepared answer to use words in the most correct way).
Firstly, I should say it was a great surprise for me to know that you are of so grand age, I had thought that you are about my age (I am in the last half of my 30'es) or a little elder. And much more surpsise for me was that you were in Vietnam... And notwithsanding both of these, you are keeping light, friendly attitude even towards people of different nations and cultures, and of distant lands, including people of Russia — the country which currently is disliked (at least, so it is said so in latest news) by many Americans. And besides all of these good qualities, you are also participating in collaborative Internet-projects alike Wikisource. I think that people like you are rare, and they should be higly respected and regarded.
Now about that I said that my life "not so great". The matter is that, before that conversation, I had always understood the word "great" in the sense of eminent, outstanding, prominent, distinguished, highly remarkable and so far. But really this word also may have sense of "very good", that might mean also (as I understood) excellent, wonderful, nice, super etc., — and I discovered this only when I looked to the Wiktionary, to the entry "great", and only after looking that I understood what had you really mean. And if in this sense — of course my life is not sad, though I couldn't say of it as "very good", because unpleasant events occur from time to time.
Though most of the people in Russia don't celebrate western Christmas (many people don't celebrate any Christmas at all, and most of believers belong to Russian Orthodox churh and celebrate the Christmas on the 7th of January; and in general, if regarding to the significance, the Christmas for Russians is substituted by the New Year Eve — the night from 31th of December to 1st of January), but its significance for people of western culture is well-known, so: Merry Christmas to you; and I hope you to have strong health, and I hope you to live for many years and for many contributions to Wikisource (and other Wiki-projects — as you like)! Merry Christmas to you, I think you are a great man (in both senses)! --Nigmont (talk) 22:06, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
I feel sure some people in America do not like Russians but there are always people who do not like something and other people of the world. I am not that way. I love other cultures. Take for example architecture. I love Russian architecture but I know people who don’t. I don’t care what people do or don’t like, I speak only for what *I* do like. People disliking other nations probably dislike people _they do not know_. You have excellent manners and write well. You do not argue or condemn me for being American, liking Russians, Arabs, Vietnamese, French, Spanish, or any other people of the world. Sure people’s religions and politics can differ. So what? As long as they are not harming other people. I learned long ago not to believe everything governments say - including my own. I always make friends with people as long as they allow me. Don’t believe everything a government says. My father was in World War II fighting Germany. So were Russians. When my father and his men met Russians they shook hands and celebrated. They had defeated Hitler. My father spoke only good of Russians as well as Germans. He said that if the truth were known a lot of German farmers were drafted into the German military and had to fight. I believe that because it is what happened to me. I have been on Wikipedia and Wikisource since about 1996 but was on Internet in 1992 helping to build Internet through U.Va. Internet Technology Committee and all of this time it has been emotional therapy for me. It is still therapy for me. I get to build, create, save old books is almost like saving lives - thoughts and words from people of other generations that had something to tell others of the future. I get to meet people like you and many others of the world. Not everyone has the same beliefs, how can they? Again, that does not stop any of us here. I have made good friends here just by working on books together and giving and getting help from people I have never met. Nigmont, you and others like you have made me a wealthy and happy man. I don’t hate anyone in the world! I don’t even dislike anyone I have met. Some people won’t let another like them, okay, I go elsewhere. There is always good and bad people. Russia -- I think some people fear Russia but don’t really dislike it. Fear often leads to the idea of fight or flight. Christmas here is tomorrow and there is a lot of joy. Whether other people like it or not doesn’t bother me, I love it, people are happy and friendly and sing and these are the things I like. Other peoples of the world have things that make them happy to and I like happy people. People should try being nice to strangers of the world. I am an American for _many generations_ and I don’t dislike the Russian people. In fact, as I think of it, I don’t know any Americans who do dislike the Russian people but I feel sure there are but people dislike Americans, Brits, Germans, name them and there is someone who dislikes them. It’s probably the same in Russia. I humbly do thank you for the kind wishes you have bestowed on me. Peace Everywhere, —Maury (talk) 00:09, 25 December 2016 (UTC)
@William Maury Morris II: This is all good and correct of what you said, except few things that I must remark: I do not condemn you of anything — neither for being an American nor for anything else; and I do not condemn all Americans if in total (and any other people as well). And I agree that people differ each from other, and in any nation someones are good and someones are bad. Maybe I could say more, but my English is not so good and it takes much time and efforts from me to write something understandable for an English speaking person, sorry. Merry Christmas to you! --Best regards, and wishes, Nigmont (talk) 01:00, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

Russian literature[edit]

Nigmont, " We are woefully short on Russian literature here

( or something close to that - see link) —Maury (talk) 18:00, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

Hello @William Maury Morris II: I am afraid that I could be just of little help in this... The first point is that I personally haven't notable interest in proofreading of English-translated works which were originally written in Russian, and Russian originals of which I have already (or easily could) read in this language which is my native. Probably for you it would be similar: if you occured to learn Russian and came to the Russian Wikisource to contribute — probably you would be a little interested in doing proofreading of Russian translations of famous English and American authors (since you could easily read them in English), and you would prefer to work on proofreading of Russian classic writers. For me — it is the same. The second point is that I am a person of not "literatural", "humanitarian" constitution of mind — I am rather of "technician" sort of people, so I could hardly choose examples of Russian literature that would be really beneficiary to the English Wikisource... Of course, I could try to remember some examples from Russian school learning program, but on first look it seems that en-WS already has many of them, for example: Tolstoy's War and Peace, Dostoyevsky's Crime and Punishment, Gogol's Dead Souls; meanwhile Lermontov's A Hero of Our Time (has free English tranlsations) — not present here, Eugene Onegin by Pushkin — hasn't free En. translations (first En. tranl. — of 1963 and not free). Probably it would be useful to arrange Portal:Russian literature — add some grouping by genres (at least to separate poetry from prose) and by authors — so it could be seen which famous Russian works are absent and should be added to improve representation of Russian literature here in En-WS, but I'm in doubt whether such grouping is appropriate there on the portal... Though, maybe I later would see how I could help in this, but firstly I would like to complete Index:Atlantis - The Antediluvian World (1882).djvu (thank you for that you help it by validating). --Nigmont (talk) 20:39, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
Hello Nigmont. Do not be concerned. I placed that url on your page _just in case you might like it_ and because I saw where another user made the statement about Wikisource being woefully lacking in Russian works. I myself can work a little in French, Spanish, and a little in English. You are certainly welcome for what little I have done and now that you have reminded me I will try to get to do some more. I am busy working on 9 volumes of "Cassell’s Illustrated English History". I hope that you and your loved ones are all in good health and doing well in your endeavors. Take care my friend. Respectfully, —Maury (talk) 22:06, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
@William Maury Morris II: You are always welcomed to help on "Atlantis", but I should say, just in case — I don't want that you would feel yourself to be somehow forced to work on it, so you may work on it at any extent (and even not to work if you wish so) as you like, and as your free time allows to you. Also I need to say that after my last (previous) reply here, in this conversation — I also discovered the Portal:Russian authors, and after that discovery I started to try to collect information from existing Category:Russian authors to expand that portal — maybe it would be useful, nevertheless, and maybe I — along with that — would find some Russian works to add here on En-WS. Regarding "Cassell's Illustrated English History": I have seen that you are working on that large-scale work (I firstly noticed that after your comment in proposals for "Proofread of the month" for December of 2016), and I also thought about whether I could help on it: and it seems to me that, for example, I could work on pages that describe the Crimean war between Russia and United Kingdom with its allies (I have read about that war in Russian history — and I am wondering how that war could be depicted from the opposite side); but before participation on that great work I should, as I understand, carefully study formatting conventions accepted by contributors of that work... Best regards, Nigmont (talk) 23:56, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
Hello Nigmont. Firstly, I work on any project on wikisource helping other people. I mostly just validate people that are working alone because those who proofread cannot validate their own work. There are many people here on wikisource that do this. If ever anyone objected I would simply do no more and go elsewhere. I do have a big project but I like it that way and I am learning about English history. I love doing that project and especially the images. I don’t feel I am forced to do anything I don’t want to do. "Atlantis" is a fantastic project! I love it and it is similar to many Mexico books I have worked on, especially the images carved in stone. They are often very similar. Proofread of the Month is for anyone and just doing one page, proofreading or validating, earns a person an award. I collect those out of habit but I would still do work on Proofread of the Month if no award because it is a unifying project for all editors here on Wikisource. It is everyone working on one project - everyone working together. My project, Cassell’s Illustrated English History, does get tiring at times because the project is so larger but there are larger projects on Wikisource. I may ask you if you can help me on a 3 or 4 pages that are complicated to me but I suspect they are not complicated for you. If you find any work you want to do then feel free to do it, e.g. Russian or not. I know very little about the Crimean war between Russia and United Kingdom with its allies. I prefer working with illustrations after about six years of text here and on wikipedia, and before that making webpages by hand. I have several large projects here on wikisource including 52 volumes of the Southern Historical Society - just type SHSP in the search area to see some of them. They are about the American Civil War. I also have others. I jump from one to another as a relief of working on all of the same thing. That is how I came to you and your "Atlantis" project. Again, "Atlantis" is a wonderful project. I have a friend I found here that lives in Mexico City and I almost invited him to come look at the similarities of "Atlantis" compared to books we did on Aztec, and Maya history which some are illustrated. The illustrations I do satisfy my love of art and they allow me to pause and look at everything in detail. We learned that the Aztec men grew beards, and it is shown on their monuments but the Inca did not - probably could not. Kindest regards my friend, —Maury (talk) 14:49, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
@William Maury Morris II: I am very glad to know that "Atlantis" has good impression on you, and your friends. :)

[Not my friends (plural) just me. But I know of one lady friend who always likes to do the last page of many projects until she comes to the Index at the end of books which she doesn’t do.]—Maury (talk) 21:20, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

Regarding switching between different projects: yes, I am completely agree — to work all the time on only one big project causes tiredness, and I myself make switches between various projects too, and even between various Wikisources (I also work in the Russian Wikisource, and the multilingual Wikisource where I try to develop Mordvinic Wikisources — Mokshan and Erzyan). And I also agree that Proofread of the Month is a good invention (the Russian Wikisource hasn't any similar), and to participate in it was very pleasant for me (though currently I want to take a some break with it — to try to focus to complete "Atlantis"). And, of course, you may ask me for help if needed, I will try to help and to do all my best (though, as I said below, I am not a great wizard in everything of this matter). Kindest regards, Nigmont (talk) 19:36, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

The help I need on Cassell’s volume is 2 pages and I will either find someone who can do them or not worry and continue onward. I have seen it done but cannot recall by whom. Thank you for trying —Maury (talk) 21:20, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

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Nigmont, can you and will you, _please_ correct the following? I have an image and text there and the text is proofread, but I don’t know how to "float" or whatever it takes, to raise that text to the proper level to match the image shown in the book. Perplexed, —Maury (talk) 16:17, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

@William Maury Morris II: of course I try to help as I can, in this case and others (if you have any more), but I should mention first that I am not a great expert in all tweaks available in Mediawiki, my knowledge in this area is limited, so don't expect too much from me... Regarding this problem: I don't sure if I have understand you quite right, but currently I see as a possible (but not ideal, of course) solution — to put an invisible table above the text, — a table which don't contain any text inside itself but has customized height appropriate to shift the following text down on desired amount of space (to get the appearance when the text starts, in relation to the image, similarly at the same height as in the original scan). Now I have done this on that page — take a look and decide whether it is the same as you wanted. But if you really wanted more — to get the quite same effect as in original scan — when the text starts in the right-down corner of the image area — then I don't know how to afford this... Probably Template:Overfloat image could help somehow, but I see one trouble there: in the examples provided in the template description, all the text which is put upon the image is contained inside template call; but in your case, the text should start in the corner and then flow out beyound the image border and then flow as usual text. I don't know how to get this with this template... Really, I would advise you to write help request on the Community portal, — as I know some users are very experienced in this matter and could eagerly help. Best regards, Nigmont (talk) 18:53, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
I posted as you suggested. Please do not edit pages on Cassell’s Illustrated History of England and especially on any volumes ahead of volume 5 to keep from any confusion. You edited a page on Volume 9 - I think. You have a lot to edit on "Atlantis" and I will continue to validate there behind your editing. —Maury (talk) 22:33, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
@William Maury Morris II: No problem, now I am off from Cassel's History of England — quite as you wish. Take my apologises if I caused some troubles to your work with my edits. Regards, Nigmont (talk) 22:41, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
@Nigmont:, you didn’t cause any "problems." I and one other person working on vol.4 [Tannersf] just like to _read_ the pages as we edit them_ to learn the history. Kindest regards, —Maury (talk) 22:47, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

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This is a fascinating book with beautiful illustrations and your work on it has done it, and you, great justice. I am back once again enjoying validating it. Best regards, —Maury (talk) 22:30, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

@William Maury Morris II: Thank you for your help and contribution to the work on proofreading this book. I am going ahead to the completion—now there are less than 100 pages left not proofread. And if I keep the same pace as now, than as I estimate I will complete it at the end of February or the beginning of the March. --Nigmont (talk) 11:37, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

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Nigmont, have you noticed that all words throughout the book in Atlantis: The Antediluvian World in quotes are _smaller_ than the rest of the book? —Maury (talk) 04:55, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

@William Maury Morris II: No, I don't thinks so. I have examined the quotes (at the beginning of the profreading this book) and, as I can see, the letters in the quotes have the same size (or approximately the same—the difference is quite insignificant and negligible), but the space between lines is narrower than the space between lines of common (non-quoted) text; so at first look it may seem that quotes are in smaller font, but look attentively—and you see there's no any difference in size between quoted and non-quoted text. --Nigmont (talk) 11:25, 12 February 2017 (UTC)
@Nigmont: I see what you mean and I agree. —Maury (talk) 15:10, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

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