User talk:Vyvagaba

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Again, welcome! --Jan Kameníček (talk) 22:57, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

Constitution of the United Arab Emirates

What is your source, please, for the changes you made? Wikisource publishes only texts that have already been published in a reliable source. We never alter or annotate the original text. --EncycloPetey (talk) 22:18, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

https://www.constituteproject.org/constitution/United_Arab_Emirates_2009.pdf?lang=en this is the version listed by LOC https://www.loc.gov/item/guide-to-law-online/united-arab-emirates/?loclr=bloglaw. The original text was never published in English, but this is the best translation I could find based on the Arabic version. Vyvagaba (talk) 22:22, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

And the existing preamble is wrong anyway. It lists Ras Al Khaimah, which joined the UAE after the preabmle was signed. Vyvagaba (talk) 22:26, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

Are these vaild reasons for for the edits, it's my first edit on Wikisource. Vyvagaba (talk) 22:27, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

It may be a different edition then. One of the persistent problems with our Constitutions here is that we seldom are given stable sources. If you can locate a printed copy from an official source, that would be ideal. We prefer not to pull copies from internet pages unless they are official government postings. A copy from a web organization that is not the original publisher is not considered acceptable. And if what you state about our current copy is correct, we may need to take it down. --EncycloPetey (talk) 22:30, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

The current copy must be based on a non-official source, because there isn't an official English copy out there. I think the copy published by LOC is credible, because 1. its listed by LOC 2. the translation is by a non-profit that works on allowing people to compare constitutions, and 3. |The same non-profit also published the Arabic version of the constitution which is identical to the official Arabic version |published on the Ras Al Khaimah Courts website. (edited added wrong first Arabic link). Vyvagaba (talk) 22:40, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

I can see it's linked from the Library of congress, but that's not the same as being published by the Library of Congress. Credibility is not the sole concern for Wikisource. Our top three concerns are (1) Published under peer review, such as through a publisher with internal editing or in an academic setting with peer review. Self-published and web published works are generally not allowed, with a few exceptions. (2) Is the source stable and static, or might it change? If the source might be changed or amended, then it isn't usable. This is why we use almost exclusively print versions of texts to work from: a scan uploaded to Commons won't disappear or change. (3) Is the translation in the public domain? Wikisource has no fair use criteria; the translation must be in the public domain. --EncycloPetey (talk) 22:47, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

One more note to what has been written above. The footnote of the linked PDF says: "This complete constitution has been generated from excerpts of texts from the repository of the Comparative Constitutions Project, and distributed on constituteproject.org. If I understand it right, it means that the English text was compiled by constituteproject.org. Unfortunately, their conditions are not compatible with our licences, as they restrict the usage of their content very much, while we allow our content to be used by anybody for any purpose, even commercially. --Jan Kameníček (talk) 22:50, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

I have also added the welcoming message to the top of this page, which includes links to some useful information for contributing to Wikisource, hoping that the discussion above will not discourage you from adding some other texts, which are better suitable for our project :-) See also Help:Adding texts. --Jan Kameníček (talk) 22:57, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

I found a English translation | published by the UAE government. Can I archive this website and use it as a source? Vyvagaba (talk) 23:11, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

and UAE government published documents are public domain per Commons. Vyvagaba (talk) 23:16, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

Yes, that is the ideal. Upload the pdf to Commons, and then we can set up a transcription page here. I can help with that, once the file is uploaded to Commons and fully documented there with source and license. --EncycloPetey (talk) 23:19, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

Alright, I uploaded it there. Vyvagaba (talk) 23:48, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

I have set up Index:Constitution of the United Arab Emirates - official translation 2015.pdf. Each page of text is proofread in an Index, using the Page: namespace, then trranscluded to the mainspace. If you aren't sure how to get the formatting to work, then focus on proffreading the text itself. Lots of folks here can help with the details of formatting. --EncycloPetey (talk) 23:54, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

Great, thanks a lot! I'll let you know if I get stuck somewhere. Vyvagaba (talk) 23:57, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

I've proofread page 10 to illustrate a couple of basics. {{c}} the is shortcut for the centering template, and {{nop}} is placed at the end of the page if the paragrpah ends on that page and a new paragraph begins on the following page. I've set things up to auto-generate the page numbers and headers. --EncycloPetey (talk) 00:00, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

I've also requested an English version of the Council logo at Commons. --EncycloPetey (talk) 01:26, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

Hi, I saw your work, and I proofread pages 3-9. Could you please check them out to see if I messed up something. Vyvagaba (talk) 11:13, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

A few things: (1) {{SIC}} is not used to provide commentary; simply include first what appeared that is presumed wrong, then what it should read as, without any embellishment. If it requires embellishment, then you're not using it correctly. (2) {{smallrefs}} should be placed in the Footer, no in the section, or the footnote will appear mid-text when transcluded. You do not need to use {{runningheader}}; the text will normally be left aligned, and on pages where it needs to be moved to the right, use {{right}}. The running-header template is for handling cases where there is more than one item to be aligned in multiple ways. (4) I'm not sure what your intentions are for labelling the start of sections. Are you planning to break the work up across multiple subpages? --EncycloPetey (talk) 17:20, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the input, I'll make sure to keep that in mind while proofreading it. I want to divide the work by parts in sub-pages down the line, to provide links to them in the Wikipedia article on the work. Vyvagaba (talk) 08:51, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

OK, if you want to divide it into subpages, we can do that, but not the way you're marking it. Please do not add items like the "start" of a section. That won't actually be useful. Also, to divide it into subpages, we'll need a "Contents" on the primary page, and it looks as though that Contents listing is in the final two pages. So those pages should be done first. I can help with the table split across two pages. --EncycloPetey (talk) 14:22, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

I just saw the current index, and it's flooded with typos. Will the subpages be titled using the spellings in the index, or the spellings in the titles of each section. Vyvagaba (talk) 19:05, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

, and how are the sub-sections in part IV (page 96) supposed to be formatted in the index table. Vyvagaba (talk) 19:09, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

Standard practice for the labelling of subpages Part 1, Part 2, and so forth, since the sections are called "Parts" and we use Arabic numerals to number parts. Once the table is set up, I can show you how to incorporate that information into the Table. The subsections appear to be their own rows, so we would follow that formatting. --EncycloPetey (talk) 20:11, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

I did some formatting on pages 23 & 28, since it looked as though you needed some assistance. --EncycloPetey (talk) 23:35, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

Thanks a lot, I really had no idea how to do the table especially. I have another question though, on page 40, the page number is not centred even with the c template; how can I fix that, because it happened on a few other pages as well. Vyvagaba (talk) 00:05, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

Ah, you meant page 39. I put in a {{nop}} ahead of it in the footer. That template functions like a "reset" and fixes the issue. --EncycloPetey (talk) 00:17, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

I have tweaked the links in the Index table, and transcluded everything. Also, the header should not point to Wikipedia pages. If there is an Author, then we want a page for that Author here on Wikisource, and that is where the link should point. --EncycloPetey (talk) 01:22, 8 February 2024 (UTC)