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Note about authors[edit]

There is a listing of authors and their dates of life at Page:The Army and Navy Hymnal.djvu/21

Note about hymns[edit]

There is a listing of all the hymns at User:Beleg Tâl/Sandbox/Army and Navy Hymnal -- Beleg Tâl (talk) 22:39, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

Discussion of lyrics:LilyPond vs {{hymn/verses}}[edit]

In [edit], it was suggested that as the lillypond content already had the lyrical content, there was no need to include them twice.

This was reverted, but I'd like a second opinion.

The verses here were originally transcribed as text because at the time the relevant extension for doing scores didn't exist. As the relevant extension now exists, and the titles could be picked up from header information I'd like views on whether there should be a "style" guide recomendation to:

i) Retain lyrics as a duplicate text version when they are present in scores.. or ii) Remove duplicate text lyrics when they are already present in scores. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 12:08, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

I added the text to the LilyPond markup, because this is how it is written in the source. I didn't remove the {{hymn/verses}} because I am not familiar with that particular template. I believe that it is wise for the text to be available, for machine-readability and accessibility purposes (esp. since LilyPond renders as an image), BUT I also think that the extra text should NOT be visible since we are trying to replicate the original source, and this text is not displayed thus in the source. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 17:08, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
(e/c) I see this as a work-specific issue. The conversation should be had on the Index talk page with the editors who are involved with the work. If from that discussion there is a proposal that could be generalised to other music-heavy works, then a RfC can be created here. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 17:16, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

@ShakespeareFan00: If you still want to weigh in on this discussion, what do you think of the solution I have implemented at Faith of Our Fathers (unknown source)? I would also consider putting the lyrics in mainspace only instead of in the page namespace. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 17:08, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

Works for me :) ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 17:10, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
@Beeswaxcandle:@ShakespeareFan00:@Beleg Tâl: Would the use of <noinclude> tags be a valid solution? That way, the text is still searchable (by virtue of being on the page in normal, verse form), yet it would not be transcluded on the final product (hence, keeping the original layout). Also, an issue which was raised earlier but doesn't seem to have been resolved, should we also prefer having the headers in the lilypond scores (as presently) or separate (i.e. using {{hymn/header}})?


I thought you might like to consider using files such as these. I uploaded to Commons

I used MuseScore2 to re-create the score in the image for the first hymn, and it's not an exact match to the image layout (I'm rather a novice at MuseScore2). But I thought it might be made close enough to match the existing image to be usable here. Font sizes and styles can be changed. I'm stumped on how to add verse numbers, but we might be able to come up with something if we work together on it. Sound files are based on the score and instrument selected (I used a piano sound).

Please let me know if you think this is usable for this hymnal. Outlier59 (talk) 01:38, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

General observations[edit]

From what I can see:

  1. The final "amen" sometimes happen to "cut across" bar lines because it is written irrespective of any initial upbeat. The way to resolve this is using \cadenzaOn placed just before.
  2. The clearest and most readable way to format the score is by using the same format as in, example, Hark, the herald angels sing! - this helps not only spotting errors but also helps in composing it in the first place, and in adding lyrics later on (the last of these reasons is why I'm making this remark...). We should eventually standardise scores which aren't already in this format. 03:15, 10 June 2018 (UTC)