User talk:Hesperian/Archive 4

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explorations

Obvious, with the BOH! If only the colour wasn't so ghastly, picked by a bloke. This still doesn't load for me, I tried numerous times. Cygnis insignis (talk) 05:35, 14 October 2009 (UTC) Blasted FF, I'm changing to another browser!

I was chasing my tail with the redirects, one problem is the links in page:space - the page numbers! I'm hand-balling it back to you - Cygnis insignis (talk) 12:04, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

It was a stupid, pointless idea, and the "what links here" is the last straw. They'll have to go. Hesperian 12:12, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

inaccurate, we had no article. Cygnis insignis (talk) 12:50, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Good on ya mate. Hesperian 13:11, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

I wince everytime I see you untangling my cruddy coding, thanks for doing so and apologies that some of the examples don't sink in. I tried to find that new solution for the overflowing footnote, but it may have been buried somewhere - maybe in that peculiar archive at the scriptorium. I will add it to my subpage of formatting blather, and maybe to Help:space as well, if you can remember where it is. Cygnis insignis (talk) 01:33, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

User:Hesperian/Notes/Overflow Hesperian 01:38, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! Is this an unwise thing to do? This is the first time I've ever done that, it took me ages to metaphysically reconcile your explanation when you first described the process. Cygnis insignis (talk) 01:57, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

I guess it is safe; I have no plans to delete or overwrite it... and I suppose I might, eventually, find a better way to do it. Hesperian 01:59, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

That was my thinking, you are in the habit of doing just; finding even better ways to do things! :-) Thanks again, Cygnis insignis (talk) 02:05, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

And on that note I shall return to pasting {{subst:User:Hesperian/r}} into the header of each and every Sanity recto. Hesperian 02:09, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

'mazing! I'm still wrestling with overflow here. I fouled something Cygnis insignis (talk) 02:47, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Is that what you're after? Hesperian 02:58, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

You're our hero!

Hesperian, you're our hero! It turns out you found the complete Popular Science Monthly Volume 75! Thank you so much. Please consider join Popular Science Monthly project if you are interested. Either way just wanted to say thanks. --Mattwj2002 (talk) 05:07, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Gosh; what an awful responsibility. ;-)

I think what you're doing with PSM is fantastic... but I also think the stuff I'm working on is pretty good too. I'm might pop in and do some validation at some point, but don't count on me to get properly involved.

Hesperian 10:55, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Newbie question

Am thinking about making start on this, but before doing so have some basic layout questions

1. Do I need to format 2 columns of index (eg.) as 2 columns (in a table)? Or do I just do whatever is easier and load as a single column?
2. Ditto for text (eg.) As you know, the whole book is 2 columns.
3. What do I do with pages of photos? (eg.) Record the captions and proofread? Or ignore and mark the page as "Without text"

You or anyone else can answer here, I'll pick it up. Moondyne (talk) 13:43, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

G'day mate.

You can preserve columns if you want (e.g. see Page:The Western Mail - Christmas 1897 - Page 3.jpg) but it is a pain in the arse and in my opinion not worth the effort. That applies for both index and text.

For pages of photos, you need to find the individual page tif, crop out the photo, rotate it (probably), upload it to commons, set the page to load the image, and mark it "without text"; (e.g. Page:The Fremantle Wharf Crisis of 1919.djvu/4). If you CBF doing that for a while, just template the page with {{use page image}} and mark it "problematic" (e.g. Page:Narrative of a survey of the intertropical and western coasts of Australia, Volume 1.djvu/121).

Hesperian 23:24, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Righto on those. Thanks. Moondyne (talk) 00:55, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

I've done Page:History of West Australia.djvu/10. Can I do 9 the same way? I don't want to edit conflict you. Hesperian 01:18, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Go for it. I won't be here much today and will mainly focus on the contents initially. Moondyne (talk) 01:23, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

The contents is what I'm talking about. It is the most complicated and most tedious bit, and it is important to get it roughly right because it defines the structure of the document. I thought I'd take pity on you and pitch in. Mind you, looking at what you've done on /9, it is pretty much spot on anyhow. Hesperian 01:25, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Silly me. Moondyne (talk) 01:55, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Right; that's me done for the day. The contents are transcribed and laid out into the root page History of West Australia. I've also put the preface and errata on the root page, as these are the only sections of the document that cannot be navigated to from the contents page.

Over the next week or so I'll validate the pages you've already proofed, and at the very least I'll continue checking in and validating whatever newly proofed pages I find. I may get involved in other ways—e.g. transcribing, or uploading clean images—but right now I had better catch up on some other stuff. Hesperian 02:46, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks cobber. Moondyne (talk) 02:59, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

No worries mate. BTW, you only need to use <div class="indented-page"> if you are using the {{page}} template to transclude pages. It is needed to leave space for the page links—if you can't see them and don't know what I'm talking about, click on "links to scanned pages" in the sidebar, e.g. at History of West Australia. Hesperian 03:20, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Gotcha. Moondyne (talk) 04:21, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

[1] edit summary. what does SOP mean? Moondyne (talk) 04:21, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

standard operating procedure. I would have written MOS or NC, but we don't go in for that shit. Nothing is codified. But it is my understanding that we favour converting roman numerals to standard numerals. A little uniformity goes a long way when it comes to linking into texts. Hesperian 04:32, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Break

Not here for a few days. Hesperian 03:58, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Uploading images to the Commons

Hi. Uploading them to the Commons directly is a real pain in the neck. I also wasted a lot of time trying to transfer images from hu.wikipedia to the English Commons. I decided that to move them from Wikisource to the Commons is easier. Do you wish me to move them over? Ineuw (talk) 02:14, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

I was translating articles from hu.wikipedia into English, and wanted to insert the images from the original article. Some images, accepted on hu.wikipedia, were rejected by the Commons because of public domain issues. The images were from the early 1930's, and from government archives, a government that ceased to exist when the country was liberated by the Allies, in 1945.

Then, I was only successful 50% of the time in using their commons image upload helpers, because there are so many users that there is a serious lag at certain times of the day.

I think that it's easier to transfer the images from here, because both wikis are English. I had some suspicion that part of the rejection was because of language issues. Ineuw (talk) 03:27, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Observations on the soil, &c, &c, of the banks of Swan River

I was browsing Seddon (p.177), and noted some significant variations in the opening paragraphs. Admittedly he does refer to "minor compression, and a revision of botanical nomenclature and identifications", but I felt the wording was a bit too different. This very closely follows Sedddon's text and so was wondering if the source (Shoobert) hadn't had some paraphrasing and editing. Any thoughts? Am I confusing this with a different document perhaps. Moondyne (talk) 13:04, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

You're linking to the Google Books version of Botanical Miscellany/Volume 1/Remarks on the botany, &c. of the banks of Swan River, Isle of Bauche, Baie Geographe, and Cape Naturaliste, a different document which we also have.

Shoobert (2005) is pretty obsessive about provenance. The version they give is a transcript of the original lodged in the Public Records Office, London. Shoobert also notes various other places in which it has been published, amongst which is The visit of Charles Fraser (the Colonial Botanist of New South Wales) to the Swan River in 1827, with his opinion on the suitableness of the district for a settlement, available at http://www.archive.org/details/visitofcharlesfr00jgharich. Definitely worth adding to the to-do list. Hesperian 13:16, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

OK. Should that be added to the Author:Charles Fraser page? This was a bit of a wild goose chase for me. I was originally looking for An Account of the Expedition of H M.S. "Success" Captain James Stirling, RN., from Sydney, to the Swan River, in 1827. I see it at p.29 of the above archive.org document, so at least I can now have a read. Also, if you do do either, can you include Hay's 1906 footnotes? Moondyne (talk) 14:00, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Yep. When I do it I'll do the whole thing cover to cover. Are you developing an interest in the Stirling expedition of '27? I could see myself getting involved in that.... Hesperian 14:06, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

I am, exactly. There's only a handful of documents that relate to it but it had wide-reaching effects. And there's lots of pommie politics at play wrt the French and Peel &c. Also wanted to get a handle on the King George’s Sound expedition. Is there a Lockyer log? Moondyne (talk) 14:21, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

I got right into the Stirling expedition of 1827 a while back, but all I ended up doing was to write articles on Clause, Garling, Fraser, Carnac, etc; and some placenames. What "King George's Sound expedition"? Do you mean the "Great Southern Expedition of 1835"? Dunno; probably; I'll check tonight. Hesperian 23:14, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

1826. Moondyne (talk) 00:17, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

date

Sooo distracting! - or I would have finished it ages ago. In the diary, page 312-313, your early WA poet mentions a "memorable day" as being "Saturday" and the previous entry as being May 3rd. Now perhaps my memory has got fuzzy, but I seem to recall that May 3rd was a Saturday? The next date is the 18th, leaving two Saturdays for the date of this great victory over the evil sea monster. Cygnis insignis (talk) 17:49, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

I think your brain may have momentarily exploded. The entry beginning "Saturday.—This day will be memorable in the annals of this colony" follows the entry for June 3rd. Hesperian 23:09, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Diary

Why does Index show /314, /315 and /323 in red when they're validated? Moondyne (talk) 02:10, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

It's a bug introduced in the most recent ProofreadPage code update; see User talk:ThomasV#Another problem? Hesperian 02:14, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

sknahT. Also odd is my nul edits fixed the problem, but don't appear in my contributions. Is a nul edit a nul edit or what? Moondyne (talk) 02:31, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

It guess it depends on whether it is a w:WP:DUMMY edit or a w:WP:NULL edit. Hesperian 02:39, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

right

Fantastic, but is this the way round you prefer: "2em|text" or "text|2em"? Cygnis insignis (talk) 12:24, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

I reckon it was already too late when I discovered someone had included that functionality. There's an argument for putting it on the right, since the gap would be on the right of the text. But personally I prefer to use explicit parameter names anyhow, so it doesn't really bother me. Hesperian 12:33, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

[2] Ta. Cygnis insignis (talk) 12:51, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

In hindsight I wish I had named that argument offset rather than margin. Hesperian 12:56, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Yup. Fairly easy to fix with a bot, no? Cygnis insignis (talk)

Don't even need a bot; a temporary category should do it... [3]. Done. Hesperian 23:39, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Special:WhatLinksHere/Author:Frederick_Chidley_Irwin Hesperian 02:17, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

• en dash=not good? Cygnis insignis (talk) 03:00, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
  • Does the ndash version look right to you? In my browser (in my font?) the endashes render as distinct, separate dashes; whereas emdashes run together to form a single unbroken line like what you are trying to reproduce. Hesperian 03:02, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
    • The other way round in my browsers, inc. FF, maybe it's a setting I fiddled with in my preferences. Not in edit-mode.

–––"endash" ———"emdash"

• • • Okay now I am thoroughly confused. In this example above, both are unbroken in view mode, but the endash is broken in edit mode. On that Page: page, both are unbroken in edit mode, but the endash is broken in view mode. WTF is going on?

	Endash	Emdash
Edit mode, here, Hesperian	Broken	Unbroken
Edit mode, here, Cygnis insignis	Broken	Broken
Edit mode, Page:, Hesperian	Unbroken	Unbroken
Edit mode, Page:, Cygnis insignis	Broken	Broken
View mode, here, Hesperian	Unbroken	Unbroken
View mode, here, Cygnis insignis	Unbroken	Broken
View mode, Page:, Hesperian	Broken	Unbroken
View mode, Page:, Cygnis insignis	Unbroken	Broken

Okay, here's what I think: neither hyphen nor ndash nor mdash are guaranteed to give us unbroken lines in all fonts under all possible kerning preferences. We've been using these inappropriately, crossing our fingers and hoping, and it was inevitable that a this situation would arise eventually. What we should be using is a line that is guaranteed never to break; namely the box-drawing character "━". Hesperian 13:05, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Yet another acceptable option would be {{strike|&nbsp;&nbsp;}} but this would yield spaces rather than dashes when copied into a text editor. Hesperian 13:08, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

I filled out the above, the box-drawing character works for me, also comes in light (grey)

───0━━━

— Cygnis insignis (talk) 14:31, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Can we justify text? Cygnis insignis (talk) 08:47, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

{{justify}}. Hesperian 10:58, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Ta, I don't have a sound justification for its use. Cygnis insignis (talk) 11:09, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

The bad pun was reason enough. ;-) Hesperian 11:42, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Didn't work, no matter

Unfortunately there is no way to justify text and specify line breaks. The moment you insert a hard break, justification is turned off for that line. Hesperian 11:45, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

I tried messing with this, no success. What do you reckon about [4] Cygnis insignis (talk) 01:12, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Have a look at "Will the best people receive..." on the page scan: when the title wraps, the page number drops. Hence "bottom". Hesperian 01:26, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Yeh, it's a cheat to force any sort of alignment. The numeral (in my browser) is correctly aligned, but the text has a disorientating double spacing which forces it below the numeral. However, it corrects the spacing above the first line of the next page. Maybe I should send a screen shot to explain. Cygnis insignis (talk) 01:39, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

It's all pretty ugly, "absurd tigers" and cacky images with wonky borders. Some of the 'facsimiles' are phony, the work is only good for its bad introduction. Anyway, I toyed around with it a bit more, this was the result. Cygnis insignis (talk) 22:41, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

A newer version of this image; it was improved when I found some tools to mess with these things—and after an invited critique. I did over the problematic pages at some Blake volume, a glance through my recent uploads is like listening to someone learning the piano ... with two fingers. Cygnis insignis (talk) 09:03, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Very nice; I'm working through much the same on the Paradisus at the moment, but haven't uploaded anything yet. I wish I'd done Bloke first; but I got carried away. If no-one beats me to it, I intended to do those Bloke dropcaps soonish. Hesperian 12:20, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

FYI, I bought a 1916 copy of Bloke on ebay last week which allegedly has a reasonable original dustcover I was intending to scan. ETA early next week. Moondyne (talk) 12:39, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Very good; I'm trying to convince myself I don't care about this—I like the idea of owning an original Brown, but Chloris Melvilliana?! Hesperian 13:02, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

3hours. You need it, and so does Karl. "Not bound or pages clipped". Does that mean loose sheets? Moondyne (talk) 14:26, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Uploads and transfers

Sorry for the delay in replying. I tried to upload two images copied from PSM. I had to save them as .jpg on my computer because they are scanned pages. To make a very long story short, I failed to upload using this link [5]. The detailed instructions, on the page and accessed by clicking the Summary (?) help button, were changed and someone moved or omitted crucial details which existed previously. I only used this a few times and didn't memorize the details, so I abandoned this effort. Then, I uploaded those two images to Wikisource, and tried transfer from project to project [6], and then [7] without success. Maybe I was too tired. I no longer need the images because I found very similar copies on Wikimedia Commons. Ineuw (talk) 05:32, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

In all the diatribe above, I forgot to ask what methods are you, or the other users on Wikisource are using? Ineuw (talk) 18:59, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

There is nothing like need to force an issue, and I began uploading the images culled from {{TPSMV1}} and titled them as follows: TPSMV1Pnnn Fig nnn.jpg P stands for page, nnn for number and Fig. for their figure number. Slowly but surely. :-) Ineuw (talk) 20:17, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Hi; sorry I haven't gotten back to you. I think others have taken this in hand, and, as you say, you're slowly but surely figuring out all the hideous complexities of this place. Hesperian 23:10, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

find/replace

Is there a find/replace tool for here like the on in w:User:Zocky/SearchBox.js? Or can that be made to work here? Moondyne (talk) 12:39, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

[8] He never even bothered to reply. :-( Hesperian 12:42, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Personally I just open up Wordpad and Alt-Tab, Ctrl-A, Ctrl-C, Alt-Tab, Ctrl-V, Ctrl H... Ctrl-A, Ctrl-C, Alt-Tab, Ctrl-V, Checkmate! Hesperian 12:45, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

For text replacement Custom regex, a Pathoschild special. Need to turn it on in your My Preferences | Gadgets, and it appears on the LHS, in grey, below toolbox.billinghurst (talk) 12:51, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

WFM. Thanks! Hesperian 12:55, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for speedy replies. I use textpad a lot. I will look at the toolbox thingo later, but am not a regex nerd, so it'll probably wash over. Moondyne (talk) 13:44, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Don't worry about that; for most purposes the regex functionality will be invisible. Just put a find term in one box and a replace term in the other. Hesperian 14:10, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

The Visit

Before proceeding any farther, I feel I should take instructions on how to deal with the referencing at the foot of each page. Moondyne (talk) 13:59, 4 November 2009 (UTC) Don't worry about it. I slept on it and worked it out. Moondyne (talk) 22:58, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Ah, Cygnis showed the way. Thanks cobber. Moondyne (talk) 23:04, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

How many books are you working on now? I think you've crossed the Rubicon my friend: you're officially a Wikisourcerer. Hesperian 23:28, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Who do I see about a pay rise? Moondyne (talk) 00:13, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

I'll give you one dollar less than double what you're getting now. Hesperian 00:15, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Calling all Aussies

The NLA online catalogue has a message bar at the top that says: "Have your say. Participate in a survey of community attitudes toward the Library's collection & creation of digital content." This leads to a survey on two topics, one of which is around how much effort they should put into digitising their hardcopy archive (i.e. books, journals, photos, etc) and putting it online. Get over there and tell them to bust a gut, because this is the most important thing in the world. Hesperian 12:18, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

bugs

Ta for the great run of validation, I had some queries that were waiting until you showed up. A bigger problem has presented itself in the meantime. Is page space screwy for you? I'm getting multiple 'page quality' labels when edit a page, like this, and when I preview a new page it reverts to the uncorrected OCR. If this is just me I'll live with it, if it is not I will have a lot to say ... Cygnis insignis (talk) 09:20, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

If it is a clue, clicking the palette of links below the edit box, [[Author:|]] etc., doesn't work either. I'm effectively locked out of page space. Cygnis insignis (talk) 09:42, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

I have no idea what's going on there; I'm not experiencing it and I don't know anyone else who is. Hesperian 10:08, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

It works now. Cygnis insignis (talk) 17:06, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

db

Thanks about Talk:The Washington Post Puts Its Finger On 'The Arab Paradox', I had restored it and the tag was there, I just forgot to remove it. Cirt (talk) 11:28, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

OK. Hesperian 11:33, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

question

Can anyone tell me why I continue obsessively posting null edits to fix wrong page statuses, when I know damn well they are only going to break again, and I know damn well there is a fix in the pipe? Hesperian 13:00, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

w:Cognitive dissonance. Don't worry brother, you are not alone. Moondyne (talk) 13:14, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Check it out: Index:An introduction to physiological and systematical botany (1st edition).djvu <- yesterday they were all yellow. Hesperian 02:49, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Some still are! ... I wonder if the template they are using needs editing ;-) Cygnis insignis (talk) 05:45, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

It must have been "running header"; the silver lining is it showed me a few pages where I had forgotten the header. You go right ahead; I'm defeated. Hesperian 06:03, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

I just discovered the gadget in "my preferences" which opens the header and footer by default when you edit a Page: page. It rocks. Everybody go turn it on. Hesperian 03:52, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Index:The colony of Western Australia (Ogle, 1839).djvu Hesperian 05:55, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

HOFWA

Pages 69 and 99 had bad scans in the djvu file. I've rescanned them and proofed, as well as uploading both to Commons. I don't know if its worth rebuilding the djvu or not-I don't think so. Just thought I'd let you know anyway. Moondyne (talk) 14:33, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

character before dropcap

I think I did this in another example, is there likely to be a problem arising from the two 'float left's? Cygnis insignis (talk) 23:18, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks; I never thought of that. No, no problem. If you decrease the width of your window down to almost nothing, the layout will break; but that is purely academic. Hesperian 05:37, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Fails the copy/paste test as well, creating a new line for each character. Cygnis insignis (talk) 06:59, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Spelling error

Thank you very much! :) Cirt (talk) 07:32, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Centering. Need help

I'm missing something obvious but how would you do this? I've fiddled with poem-on/off, div class=prose, centering, but not found the solution yet. Or is what's there now optimal? Moondyne (talk) 03:58, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

I think it is about right. I really dislike the poem tag; if you look at how it is implemented you'll probably dislike it too. But I must admit that it makes for a nice clean edit page that any newb can understand. Most other solution are horrible to read in the edit box.

One option that isn't too sad is:

{{float center|The night is too great for my heart,<br/>
{{gap}}It flutters and halts and trips;<br/>
The terrible mirth of the stars<br/>
{{gap}}Has slain my song on my lips.}}

I'd like to offer a more principled way to do it, but I don't think there is one. e.g. you can't do it with hanging indents, because that will put paragraph breaks in the middle of your stanzas.

Hesperian 04:32, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Thankyou. Moondyne (talk) 04:37, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

When I played around with this I found the line spacing at the first was different from the subsequent lines. I now see that this is avoided by

{{float center|
The night is too great for my heart,<br/>
{{gap}}It flutters and halts and trips;<br/>
The terrible mirth of the stars ...

— Cygnis insignis (talk) 11:13, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Fixed now? Hesperian 11:28, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Yes! Cygnis insignis (talk) 11:41, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

helpful? — 12:48, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

{{smaller}}

In relation to your fquestion. We have been surviving with spanned small, and especially within the DNB project where we use it on every page. I also think the question would also relate to {{x-smaller}}, {{larger}}, ... where the row height doesn't expand as necessary

Rather than having an extra set of templates, couldn't we look to add an overriding parameter, eg. |div=... that toggles b/w the two. My html incompetence doesn't allow me to know enough between the div and span uses. billinghurst (talk) 04:29, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, the biggest problem is with xx-larger on title pages, where you have to put an extra line break in to prevent overlap. I think maybe the span templates should be retained as they are, under their present titles, and some block templates should be created to supplement them, for the use of those of us who are picky enough to care. Hesperian 04:37, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

I've created {{smaller block}}. Tested it here; it looks a bazillion times better. Pretty easy solution in the end; in those first five minutes I thought it was a disaster! Hesperian 05:03, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Being provocative. Would it be better to have {{block}} or similar, and then have a sizing paramater? xs, s, l, xl, xxl billinghurst (talk) 21:15, 26 November 2009 (UTC) btw edit at bottom

Potentially... but then someone will only turn {{block smaller}} into a convenience template, so I feel safe in leaving the back end tweaks [to someone else | for later]. Hesperian 23:24, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

just because

{{size|s|just because}} billinghurst (talk) 05:10, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Funny name for something implemented with divs instead of spans.... Hesperian 05:57, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Is it? Unless you enlighten me, I will still be ignorant of why. Anyway, the changes that you implement don't seem to apply in this seem to have broken it, the larger and the smaller aren't different, and just the others are. Weirdness. billinghurst (talk) 10:04, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Or was that due to the fact that I had * at the start of the line, and it was confused with what was paragraphs. billinghurst (talk)

Sorry; I was still thinking about distinguishing block level templates from inline templates. When you created {{size}} I was still thinking along those lines. i.e. if the block level template is to be called "size", what do we call the inline one? I realise now that you had moved on to a different issue.

I reverted myself. I'm flabbergasted. Hesperian 11:36, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Witch-Maid

Re this, would you mind having a look at the two remaining links here, Special:WhatLinksHere/Pilgrim_Song - I can't see where they come from. Thanks. Moondyne (talk) 00:30, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

I see this all the time. The whatlinkshere can be very very slow to purge though when you alter the links on a transcluded page. I think you can safely assume that you have eliminated all the links. Hesperian 02:01, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. I thought I was going mad. Moondyne (talk) 04:29, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

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