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Lost Face (London collection)

Please repair the book. You broke the table of contents. This may be true for other works you've moved as well. --EncycloPetey (talk) 21:26, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Also, please do not move audio without first checking that all editions are identical. In this case, there was significant revision following the initial publication, so the audio will not apply to all editions. --EncycloPetey (talk) 21:31, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

The audio is from Short Story Collection Vol. 003, not Lost Face (1910), so idk why you think it must be associated with that edition specifically —Beleg Tâl (talk) 21:33, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

The audio differs significantly from the serialized publication. I have checked the first collection publication. --EncycloPetey (talk) 21:34, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

ok, whatever, do as you like —Beleg Tâl (talk) 21:35, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

The "Short Story Collection 003" was not a physical publication; it is a collection assembles by LibriVox from various sources. If we restrict the audio from Short Story Collection 003 to association only with that specific release, then there will be no text present, only audio. We have no mechanisms nor policies yet for hosting audio-only publications. --EncycloPetey (talk) 21:42, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Author page creation.

Thanks very much for your correction, I will effect it. However, before I will edit and publish another one would you be happy to guide me ? But, is there any of them I did well so I can use it as an example?

Thanks once again. Onwuka Glory (talk) 16:03, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

@Onwuka Glory: Here is an author page that you created a couple of years ago, that you did a very good job with: Author:Antanas Lalis

I suspect that you might be having trouble because you are using the Visual Editor. I recommend that you turn it off. You can do this as follows:

1. Go to Special:Preferences
2. Click on the "Editing" tab
3. Make sure that the setting "Enable the visual editor" is disabled
4. Click "Save" at the bottom of the page

Once this is done, you will be able to put the correct information into the new Author page. You will need to add the following information:

1. The header. This should load into the page automatically, and you can fill in the blanks. Make sure there is no <nowiki> in the header, because this is what was breaking the pages you created before.
2. The list of works. You can use another Author page as an example.
3. The copyright tag. This is very important and goes at the bottom of the page. Usually you will use {{PD-US}}, but you can look for more relevant copyright tags at Help:Copyright tags .
4. The authority control. This is just the code {{authority control}} and you put it right underneath the copyright tag.

If you look at Author:Antanas Lalis you will see all of these components and how they work, and you can copy them from there.

Let me know if you have any other questions! —Beleg Tâl (talk) 16:22, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Lang

Why? Xover (talk) 06:20, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

@Xover Because.

I started out by trying to find more information about Author:Miss Cheape and Author:Miss Blackley, only to find that their author credits are woefully lacking, as are most other members of Lang's writing team, so I'm trying to fix that. For example. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 13:05, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

How about you let me know what you tried to do with the automatic header that didn't work, and I'll see what can be done. Xover (talk) 15:24, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

I didn't try to do anything with the automatic header, because the automatic header has never (to my knowledge) supported section_author and its related fields (though if you feel like implementing those, feel free to do so) —Beleg Tâl (talk) 15:25, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

Ok, then let me rephrase: please let me know the parameters you would have needed. Xover (talk) 15:28, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

If I were to have used the automatic header for this work, I would have needed contributor, section_author, section_translator, section_editor, and section_adapter, as well as iterated forms of each (section_author1, section_author2, &c.). However, in order for me to feel comfortable relying on the automatic header for individually credited subpages in general, I would expect it to support the full functionality of Module:Header/attribution data. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 15:36, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

I will point out, however, that I don't really see the point of using the automatic header in cases where the header differs from subpage to subpage (which is always the case when the subpages have different authorship). —Beleg Tâl (talk) 15:42, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

There are limits to what the automatic header can support similar to the old template-based header. For one thing it needs to specifically enumerate every supported parameter, unlike Module:Header that supports arbitrarily large fooN variants (in logic; displaying lots of them will quickly fall over). It doesn't exactly help that they need to be enumerated in multiple places either. Hopefully we can get some of these limitations removed upstream (in PRP) at some point, but for now this is what we have to work with. Xover (talk) 16:10, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, that's more or less what I expected. I do like the idea of automatic headers in theory, but the vast majority of the texts I work on are anthologies like this with complex attributions, so unfortunately I don't really see automatic headers as a feasible replacement for this type of work any time soon.

Semi-tangentially—I often manually create tables of attribution data in my sandbox (example) to ensure that all the Versions and Disambiguation and Author pages are all updated properly; and I have long had this vague idea that it would be nice to turn this into some sort of standardized structured attribution system that could then be used to populate all the Wikidata work and edition items as well. I feel like such a system would be helpful (or even necessary) for managing attribution data for automatic headers also. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 18:04, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

Septuagint

In this edit you removed several works in transcription, but never provided a link to any copy of the Septuagint. --EncycloPetey (talk) 21:45, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

Look closely, you will see the little letters "q.v." This means that you should click on the link to Bible where you will see many translations of the Septuagint, including all of the ones that were listed at Septuagint (even the ones that are not actually titled "Septuagint") —Beleg Tâl (talk) 00:56, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

Please see the Style Guide then: works not titled Septuagint should not be listed on a disambiguation page. That information should be moved to the See also section of the page rather than exist as a listing. --EncycloPetey (talk) 03:21, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

I'm glad that we're in agreement then! —Beleg Tâl (talk) 13:05, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

Making the word Bible bold, to make it clear that it is the link, does help make it clear what the line is recommending. But at some point, we may have translations of the Septuagint with a different title and/or a different translator. I would rather see the word Septuagint linked via redirect to the Bible page. That redirect can then become a translations page in future. A work of that stature will eventually need a hub location. --EncycloPetey (talk) 18:54, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

I think it's fine to create a redirect to Bible. I guess the preferred redirect would be Septuagint (Bible)? or maybe Greek Old Testament?—As for creating separate translations pages for the Septuagint and all the other various source versions that English bibles are translated from, I think that's far beyond the level of complexity I'd want to have to maintain, but perhaps we'll need to restructure our Bible translations pages eventually anyway, and we can deal with it at that time —Beleg Tâl (talk) 19:03, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

I think Septuagint (Bible) would be more NOP. I agree that a total restructure now might be premature, but having the link page established provides a more stable place for linking than anything we currently have. Otherwise, what would we link mentions of the Septuagint to from all the works that will do so? --EncycloPetey (talk) 19:12, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

Hm, that's fair. I'd link to [[Bible|Septuagint]] but I agree that it would be good to have something more obvious. Let's go with Septuagint (Bible) then, since I suppose that's the best option available. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 19:17, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

Sounds good. Do you think it would be better to redirect to Bible right now, or to the translations page for the one translation that we have? --EncycloPetey (talk) 03:37, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Definitely should redirect to Bible rather than The Septuagint version of the Old Testament, as there are several Bibles whose Old Testament is translated from the Septuagint. Some directly (e.g. Bible (Thomson)) and some indirectly (e.g. Bible (Douay-Rheims), via the Vulgate) and some partially (the "Apocrypha" in the King James Version). Speaking of which, should we create a redirect for Vulgate (Bible), do you think? —Beleg Tâl (talk) 13:13, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Given that we have several Bibles translated from the Septuagint, then perhaps it is time to create that as a Translations listing page. It hadn't occurred to me that we had additional translations from the Greek (rather than the Hebrew). --EncycloPetey (talk) 16:56, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, like I said, creating all the translations pages for all the various source variants is complex and would require a whole bunch of research and maintenance... I personally think lumping it all under Bible is good enough, but if you want to start splitting it up by source text then feel free to get started. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 17:00, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Elemoont

Please ensure that you are correcting all of the internal links for moved works. I notice the Contents from this one is now broken. I have not checked the others. --EncycloPetey (talk) 20:36, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Lol that's what happens when the move is still in progress :p —Beleg Tâl (talk) 20:40, 20 August 2024 (UTC)