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Blenheim column of victory

Hello.

I would like to ask you about the changes at Text on the Column of Victory in the grounds of Blenheim Palace.

Back in 2006, I visited the location of the column, took close-up photographs of the column with sufficient resolution to allow the text to be transcribed, then myself transcribed the text on the south face of the column, which contains an (entertainingly biased) account of the Battle of Blenheim - a not insignificant amount of work. I also uploaded the photographs - the photographs of the south face as a source for which my transcription could be verified, and if necessary corrected, and the photographs of the other faces of the column in order to enable other people to transcribe the text of those to expand the page. I believe that the north, east and west faces contain the text of a private Act of Parliament that gave the estate to the Duke of Marlborough.

In 2007, somebody else added the text from the east face.

The page remained in substantially the same form until 2018 when you edited it, although it appears that at some point somebody deleted the photos. I see that in 2018 you removed my transcription of the text on the south face. I am guessing that this is because by that time, the photos had been removed, so there appeared to be no source for the text. I see that there is someone's photograph of the east face on Commons and that someone else's photo of the south face (taken in 2015 and under a CC-BY-NC 2.0 licence) exists on Flickr. If downloaded at the highest resolution, the text of the south face is legible (aside from a rather small amount obscured by the railings near the bottom of the photo), so if a copy can be uploaded to Commons (as the licence would appear to permit) then this would resolve the problem of lack of sourcing.

I was going to try to restore the text from the south face based on the page history, but I see that it is now set up to include text from Wikidata, and I have no clue how to do this. I don't want just to restore the page in its previous form if we are supposed to use Wikidata instead these days.

Please can you add the text from the south face. You will that I had formatted some of the it as centred text - this is where it appeared as such on the column itself as you will clearly see in the photo, so it would be good for this formatting to be preserved along with the text.

Thank you. Scil100(2) (talk) 09:07, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Huh, interesting. It was a long time ago that I worked on that, and it looks like I replaced it with a transcription from a photo that got deleted, as you surmise.

I see that there are some photos on Commons that could be used as a source, though I am not sure which face is which:

• commons:File:ENG Woodstock Blenheim Park 004.jpg
• commons:File:ENG Woodstock Blenheim Park 005.jpg
• commons:File:ENG Woodstock Blenheim Park 006.jpg
• commons:File:ENG Woodstock Blenheim Park 007.jpg

I'll see what I can do with this :)

—Beleg Âlt ^BT (talk) 16:34, 7 March 2024 (UTC) —Beleg Âlt ^BT (talk) 16:34, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Floruit

Thank you for fixing the author pages with hardcoded fl. dates I'd made! I'd been a bit hesitant to create Wikidata pages for authors when there wasn't much information about them, but will do so in future, and avoid hardcoded dates. I did have a couple of questions though.

I noticed that you'd added the 1800s as a decade for the floruit date of some authors (I guess to make them appear as fl. 1800s in the header?) but I couldn't work out how to change this to 19th century. As floruit (P1317) says it supports multiple dates, I've added them all to authors whose work spans more than one decade. Not sure if this is the best approach, as the header then adds them all as "fl. 18xx/fl. 18xx/fl.18xx", etc. (e.g. Author:Heinrich Apel); maybe the header template could be changed to remove all subsequent fl.s? edit: I've now switched the floruit values to each decade they published works (e.g. "fl. 1820s/fl. 1830s"); still not sure this is the best approach; perhaps Header could use the work period (start) (P2031) & work period (end) (P2032) values that you've added? What do you think? --Yodin^T 15:16, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

The approach I prefer is to use the smallest single valid unit possible in floruit (P1317) (whether that be a year, decade, or century), and then put the actual dates in work period (start) (P2031) and work period (end) (P2032). As for using the latter values in {{author}}, I have made that suggestion but it hasn't been taken up. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 23:07, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Author:Sota Omoigui

Do you recall why you included a PD-1923 license ? That doesn't seem right to me. -- Beardo (talk) 13:18, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

No I don't, but I expect it's because it's the only license that is always valid regardless of where or when the author lived, so if you don't know anything about an author it's really the only license that you can use. (shrug) —Beleg Âlt ^BT (talk) 13:43, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

In this case, the author page should have been deleted after the discussion at WS:CV, so I'll flag it for deletion —Beleg Âlt ^BT (talk) 13:45, 13 March 2024 (UTC) —Beleg Âlt ^BT (talk) 13:45, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for adding WikiData links

WikiData is an almost complete mystery for me, so thank you for connecting my authors to WikiData pages - I imagine it's done semi-automatically, but it's still worth thanks!

Qq1122qq (talk) 18:58, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

‎Poems by Emily Dickinson - Second Series

Don't forget that each of these poems had a Wikidata item associated with it. Either the versions page or a "duplicate" edition should be connected to each of those data items. Right now, what's happened at Wikidata is each data item has been de-linked from Wikisource. --EncycloPetey (talk) 18:01, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

If the items are for the poem themselves, I'll link them to the versions page. If they are for the unsourced edition, then they should probably be deleted. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 18:06, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

How would you go about listing all the WD items that were linked to these pages? Can it be done with petscan or something? —Beleg Tâl (talk) 18:09, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

The easiest way might be to check your Wikidata Contributions. You'll be listed as having edited each page as part of your deletion actions. --EncycloPetey (talk) 18:15, 19 April 2024 (UTC)