User talk:Erasmo Barresi

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You seem to have worked out how to contribute here, but I hope these links help if you have any questions. I can't see the problem with this page, perhaps I can solve it. CYGNIS INSIGNIS 10:20, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Solving that problem was easy :-) There is a page that describes this at Help:Page Status. Have fun! CYGNIS INSIGNIS 13:52, 19 July 2011 (UTC)


Uploading Books[edit]

" Hi William,....

when you need to upload a file at Commons, you can ask me to do this. Just put a link to the book at archive.org on my talk page. Soon, Erasmo Barresi (talk) 08:49, 6 April 2012 (UTC) "

Thank you so very much for your gracious offer. I do have a very small one I would like very much to edit. I found it only recently. http://archive.org/details/inmemoriammatth00instgoog Respectfully, —William Maury Morris II Talk 23:07, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for your kindness[edit]

" Uploaded at commons:File:In Memoriam. Matthew Fontaine Maury.djvu. Click on the Wikisource logo and create the Index page here. Note: the page 14 is partly unreadable.--Erasmo Barresi (talk) 16:06, 7 April 2012 (UTC) "


Thank you for your kindness. I have never been through that exact process before today and I have learned a bit more of the over-all process. So, if I want to learn how to upload a book to Wikisource I somehow transfer (with a "tool") a .djvu file to WikiCommons and then click on a "Wikisource logo" (where would that come from when the file is on Commons?) and the file is moved to Wikisource (ah ha, thus the Wikisource logo!) then I click on the WS logo and that file is moved to WS or do the images reside on WCommons? I would like to learn how to upload books and of course I would help others by teaching what I have learned. There should be an area on WS that teaches this in uncomplicated instructions. Wiki Commons created a uncomplicated template for easy uploading &c there, so why cannot the same thing be done on WikiSource? Again, thank you for your kindness. Respectfully, —William Maury Morris II Talk 17:13, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Uploading Books to Wickisource[edit]

Erasmo, thank you for the instructions. I look forward to trying my luck with them. For now, I still have several books that I am still editing. The one on Matthew Fontaine Maury "In Memorium", was very small. I do know a few people (not students) at the Virginia Military Institute and through them I hope to find the text to that partial page so that I can fill it in. You are very kind in helping people as proven by the knowledge and kindness you have shown to me. Most Respectfully, —William Maury Morris II Talk 15:40, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Suitable License[edit]

In looking over all that you have shown me I encountered this statement on Commons, ["If you do not provide suitable license and source information, your upload will be deleted without further notice. Thank you for your understanding."] What "suitable license" are they asking for? I tend to think "PD" but I also doubt very much that is what they are asking for. Respectfully, —William Maury Morris II Talk 15:55, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

copyright tags[edit]

As I continued to read on I found what I think is meant by a suitable license. Thet are asking for proper copyright tags are they not? http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Copyright_tags

So, PD would be one of them. I will learn as I continue. It's all new to me at this point so please forgive any stupid questions I may ask. Respectfully, —Maury ( —William Maury Morris II Talk 16:07, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

You have made this look easy[edit]

Your explanations are superb! I was reading line-by-line and going through the process while reading line-by-line as opposed to reading all that you provided before exploring. I believe I made a mistake in doing it the way I explored. Now I think all of it comes together and it doesn't look difficult. There is an old adage about this, something like "Murphy's Law" :) I do think I understand it all now and in time I will know for positive. I have uploaded and downloaded and FTP'd files, images, books for many years now so it was only a matter of using .djvu or .pdf and how the process is used from commons to wikisource. So, what is that "tool" that AdamBMorgan mentioned to me used for -- something like URL2Commons ? I'll find out one way or another. I do know people do things in different ways and therefore each person's instructions may differ a bit. Again, I thank you for all of your kindness and teaching me. Most Respectfully, Maury ((—William Maury Morris II Talk 16:22, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Community portal[edit]

Erasmo, you've suggested I help on changes to main page & community portal and I'm happy to. Can I explain what I think is needed?

Basically we need to set up a proofreading programme and for that we need lists of "to be proofread" and "to be validated" titles to parallel the list of recently completed titles, which Adam has just improved a lot. It's quite a difficult task to pick realistic targets from the 4,000 odd incomplete index files which is why I posted on MOTM about categorising index files. I've cut the list down to more like 1,000 but it's still far too many. But the failure of anyone to respond makes me wonder if I'm totally out of step. Am I? Chris55 (talk) 09:06, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

I've put comments on the main page draft on the talk page. I'll carry on thinking. Also, I've pretty much finalised my essay. Chris55 (talk) 13:28, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

term "Modern"[edit]

I think the word "modern" should be tossed out completely except by century. Century is definite whereas "modern" always becomes the past. But I do not want to touch the good work others have set up and are setting up because it may create confusion. Create an area other than here for suggestions, make it stand out in a different color and point to it on Scriptorium. Very Respectfully, Maury (William Maury Morris II (talk) 17:23, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Wikisource Proofreading Games[edit]

Erasmo, thanks for signing up. First one. It's a neat idea having a friendly between languages, but I'd suggest looking at this report. We're well behind French, German, etc. and until we get our act together we'd get knocked every which way!

Yes, I'll work on the community portal and I haven't forgotten the main page highlights, but there are lots of other things to do. Chris55 (talk) 10:53, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Any thoughts on Maintenance of the Month?[edit]

As you are the only other person who seems to actually participate so far, do you have any thoughts on getting the Maintenance of the Month project going?

As I stated when I offered to get this project started, I am not good at the human side of things. This might explain the lack of interest so far. I have a few more ideas for getting attention for the project but they mostly amount to telling people it is there (such as my posts on Scriptorium). If you have any ideas, feel free to share. I am also not sure if the project itself is structured in a useful way. I have tried to keep it simple but I know I can overcomplicate things. This could be a barrier to entry for some people. If this appears to be the case, can you tell me? Of course, it may be that maintenance is something that people want done but not something people want to do. - AdamBMorgan (talk) 12:22, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Plain proofreading[edit]

Erasmo, I've put a proposal on Proofreading discussion which I'm sure will be contentious and would like your comments on before taking it further. Without something such, I really don't think we'll ever get many more people involved.

And the item at Wikisource:Scriptorium#Transclusion shows how deficient our current guidelines are when someone can mark a project as "Done" without it actually being transcluded. This is obviously my next job. Chris55 (talk) 09:38, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Chris55, I know the difference between transcluded and transcribed. I simply misused the words when asking that question you cite above. I wanted to know if a work is "done" only after transclusion. As seen, all Indexes allow "Done" upon all pages proofread and validated. Next would come transclusion for completion of a work would it not? —William Maury Morris IITalk 17:29, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

MotM awards[edit]

Thanks for doing the MotM awards. I've been a lot busier than I expected for the last week and a bit and haven't had time to do much of anything here so far this month. - AdamBMorgan (talk) 17:52, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

New Main Page[edit]

Erasmo, what is the following for?

Maket icon.svg


I don't think it looks good because it looks like tabs on computer browsers and too, it goes nowhere. I clicked on it to see why it is on the new main page and it just links to this -> "File:Maket icon.svg" Still, it looks like tabs on a browser or at least it reminds me of tabs on browsers or perhaps a Card File that goes nowhere. Too, it looks exactly the way Windows can show two (or more) pages. I use the newest version of Firefox. Respectfully, Maury ( —William Maury Morris IITalk 15:55, 25 October 2012 (UTC)


Erasmo, I have no complaints with your explanation on my talk page. I just wanted to know the details of it because when I asked I didn't know. You have explained them and I thank you. If I do not ask I may never know the answers but I do have concerns about irritating people with my questions. Respectfully, —William Maury Morris IITalk 17:37, 25 October 2012 (UTC)


Don't you think that image should be made un-clickable? Many people are used to decades of Internet having clickable images. When one sees and clicks on that image all that is seen is this: https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=File:Maket_icon.svg&page=1

William Maury Morris IITalk 20:14, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

None of those images should be clickable. Other people just don't bother to get involved or don't care to mention it. I've been here since 2006 (Brother Officer & William Maury Morris) and I have never bothered to mention it before now. I mention it now only because you and others are developing a new main page. Perhaps people have come along and clicked on them and got nowhere and either browsed or left. There is no reason to have those clickable images to nowhere. —William Maury Morris IITalk 00:09, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

My apologies, Erasmo, but I thought that you had become an administrator. —William Maury Morris IITalk 18:45, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Thumbs Up[edit]

Erasmo, I like this page a lot! Also it is colorful as opposed to looking dull. —William Maury Morris IITalk 13:45, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/User:Erasmo_Barresi/1



Erasmo, where is your newest version that you were going to re-work and submit to Scriptorium? I hope that you do not mind and I will remove it if you do mind, but I placed version 1 (shown above) on one of my sandbox pages in case it disappears and you place something different in your location. I like the present look, ideas, and functionality but I also await that upgrade just as I would with the interest and expectation of anything new and improved. I do not forget these things. <smile> Respectfully, Maury (—William Maury Morris IITalk 08:56, 31 October 2012 (UTC)


58 Re: Thumbs Up[edit]

Quoted from my Talk Page:

Maury, I'm happy that you like my draft (I've made the icons un-clickable...). I had posted an unsuccessful proposal for adopting it to the Scriptorium, and probably I will open another due to your endorsement :). Regarding your latest comments, I don't think there's a lot of white space on the front page.--Erasmo Barresi (talk) 14:16, 29 October 2012 (UTC)


Erasmo, it pleases me to no end that you have made those icons un-clickable! I had gotten more and more annoyed with that situation. It would, perhaps, be better if the they actually did something, connected to something new, or important than to be un-clickable. Still, going nowhere and getting to nowhere fast was absurd as they previously existed. I too am happy that I like that page https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/User:Erasmo_Barresi/1

It is the best I have seen. The icons look excellent and the ability to hide or show a mass of information keeps everything looking nice and working easily and efficiently. I like those icons very much. They are impressive. I noticed too that you included red/blue glasses. Glasses like that are used for viewing 3-dimensional anaglyphs and in visual technology these are already abundant and popular. The idea is old in some ways from the 3-D films but yet that same idea is very modern. Anaglyphs have already lead to bona-fide 3-dimensional technology "on the cutting edge" of photography. My eldest son is deeply involved in the technology that as he says, "is on the bleeding edge" which is not anaglyphs but more modern than anaglyphs. He has spent thousands of dollars and works with a friend creating 3-dimensional images that look nowhere plain or more so "dull" -- which you show on your page that you and I are talking about. Your page is wonderful and getting back a little more to 3-dimensional technology I state that in case you may not be aware, 3-dimensional cameras are "the thing" now and that market is growing very fast as companies compete. Those digital images are not red/blue anaglyphs but instead are real-life today's technology. Yet still, that is only the beginning of 3-d technology. My son and his friend have gone beyond even today's technology of 3-D photographs. They can create fantastic 3-D images of things that do not exist. I just awoke after being up all night so I hope this does not sound like nonsense to you as I meander with words and thoughts. I don't know where you got those beautiful icons that are connected to show and don't show but that sort of thing is about being not only organized but pleasing to the eye and pleasing to explore as opposed to the usual boring pages one sees throughout Internet. It is just beautiful in colors and yet it is an advanced method of connecting to information -- all on one page -- and very pleasing to the eye. It is the way things should be.

You state that, "I had posted an unsuccessful proposal for adopting it to the Scriptorium," and my thought is that while so much work is advanced technology, for less than a decade because it will change, the people that create javascripts (.js) do not seem to understand basic human nature to a point where they do not use the sort of technology that you have showing now with those icons of show or hide -- not enough and certainly not colorful as what you have created! In what I have seen throughout 65 years of technology from tubes to transistors and better we have administrators that appear not to be aware of the basic human senses with sight as being the human #1 sense. Your proposal not being heeded is proof of what I have written here. I look to advanced technology due to my own thoughts and imagination and use of my senses and I can see beyond dull-looking technology. My son also keeps me beyond the technology of what I see and think of. He has been in newspapers since age 10 for computer skills and he will be age 40 this Nov.1st, 2012. He has raised his daughter with advanced technology and naturally she has her own 3-dimensional camera but that is the least of what he has done for her education beyond what I have ever had and worked with and I remain futuristic as possible which is probably why I cannot stand blandness due to a lack of visual but also functional aids on pages such as what you have presented. A person can be intelligent with tech and still not understand the basics of human nature and art and yet, this is a "color world". (Not proofread, I need some tea to awaken more) Most respectfully, Maury (—William Maury Morris IITalk 17:37, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Main page[edit]

Everything apart from the changes to new texts should be live now. I will get to that shortly. When I first tried to make these changes my connection kept dropping out while editing the header, so I decided to wait just in case I lost connection completely half way through the necessary assorted edits. - AdamBMorgan (talk) 18:56, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

I think it's all done now but I had to change the new text template a bit. I wanted it to be backwards-compatible with the previous version; so other users wouldn't get confused if they hadn't been following along, so I didn't have to change much, and because there are a lot of archives that also use the template (eg. Template:New texts/2012/09) that I did not want to break. The image elements kept causing problems. At the moment, I have removed the div from the active version; it may be possible to replace it later. In the meantime, I would suggest using it like the image(s) on Wikipedia's "Did You Know" box (on their front page): Small, floated to the side and used sparingly (only for the top item, if possible). If you want to change the way people use the "New Texts" box, you are probably going to have to bring this up on Scriptorium and spread the idea. Otherwise, just changing the tools means there's a good chance many people won't notice or care about the changes and will try to carry on regardless.
Anyway, the new main page is in place and appears to be functioning. So, congratulations on getting your project implemented. - AdamBMorgan (talk) 01:10, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Highlight Right -- Highlight Bright[edit]

Erasmo Barresi, will you please show me how to highlight a word? Pick a word, any word, and highlight it bright yellow and another in a medium blue. Would you be so kind as to show me this? Please do. (corrected typo —William Maury Morris IITalk 19:27, 15 November 2012 (UTC) )

New and Improved Wikisource page[edit]

Erasmo, on your very fine iconic work I have seen this several times as I visited that area; "Introduction – For Wikipedians". It is all text and a hyperlink. I tend to follow all of the icons so I only recently clicked on that part of the page. I think it may be good to re-word it with something like, "Wikipedians Welcome to Wikisource", or something else. This is just my opinion on it. I very much like the beautiful and organized icons on your page—which again is what I followed instead of that text/link. I state these things because I believe a hard worker, as shown by his work done, should have some feedback. Those who say nothing help in no way. Most respectfully, Maury ( —William Maury Morris IITalk 18:59, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

New help page[edit]

Hi, as per a discussion on WS:S/H I've written a new help page on Index pages. It's at User:Beeswaxcandle/Sandbox3. I don;t have a handle on the required formatting for help pages at the moment. If you've got time could you please format it and put it in the best place so that it can be found by other editors? Thanks, Beeswaxcandle (talk) 02:12, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

The best place is Help:Index pages. I've started to merge the content and saved the result offline; I hope to finish tomorrow. Thanks for your effort.--Erasmo Barresi (talk) 20:43, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
Sorry, but I need little more time. I did until "Progress" and "Pages" with two big tables: one is "Available options for the Progress parameter" to which I added a "description" column, the other is "General recommendations for labelling pages" which I created ex novo with your text. Very few parameters remain, but the last two are a bit difficult. Can I take some extra-time?--Erasmo Barresi (talk) 20:28, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
Take all the time you need. We're all volunteers with real lives to get in the way. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 20:45, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Done far later than I hoped due to problems with my laptop.--Erasmo Barresi (talk) 21:52, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

promotion of en.wikiSource via youtube.com[edit]

Erasmo, please look at and give your opinions on Scriptorium re: 5.55 promotion of en.wikiSource via youtube.com Kindest regards, —Maury (talk) 04:05, 29 December 2012 (UTC)


10 questions for Jimmy Wales by TIME magazine[edit]


Thanks for the link. I switched to a questions and answer format. I'm going to include music and video effects.--Erasmo Barresi (talk) 10:53, 3 January 2013 (UTC)


Yes, that's the route I would take, questions and answers and calm/quiet music. You can also use several of our editor's submitted photograph, and/or a Cam Video from their computer. A collection of these things can then be selective. In another series you can video some shots of our Main Page, the Newsletter, and still later, How To Use Wikisource.

Too, some of the User's pages can be shot, our awards, and more. The number of years various editors have been here could be important because it shows how much people enjoy working here. This can be included with your questions/answers. Too, how the people came to be here from the start. I started on Wikipedia and contributed many articles and graduated to books. Books can be shown and also images beside transcriptions and finally transclusions. This could be a wonderful project and Wikisource will be known. It should be stated that Wikisource is a sister Wiki. In fact, you could show _all sister wikis_ and _all languages_. Perhaps take an article that is in several languages and video each language. Just glimpses to give the overall idea and to show the links. The more we "brainstorm" the better off we will be. —Maury (talk) 17:32, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

collecting ideas for the promotion of en.wikisource via youtube[edit]

Erasmo, are you planning on doing all of whatever you do by yourself or would you prefer I continue with this project, ideas, and suggestions? Would you prefer we discuss in private mail or -- where? On my preferences I listed my private e-mail. It shows on the left sidebar as an option to email me. If you created an e-mail account on hotmail.com, or another e-mail elsewhere, then we can communicate without cluttering our talk pages. Your choice as it doesn't matter to me either way. I just want perfection (and not us colliding on youtube.com) as much as possible. —Maury (talk) 20:48, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Erasmo, I have already answered the email several hours ago. —Maury (talk) 22:28, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia excerpt[edit]

Not sure I am following the logic here and here. I see that it is listed at Wikisource:Maintenance of the Month/Sister-project link standardization but not following the logic of why it is a good idea. Message copied from User_talk:Kathleen.wright5#Wikipedia_excerpt after response at my talk page. Jeepday (talk) 23:05, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

I appreciate your taking a leadership role in Wikisource:Maintenance of the Month, there are many difficult, annoying, and boring tasks that need to get done and never seem to happen; MoM is a great tool for making that happen. Please don’t let my recent comments on the projects activities make a negative impact on it, the MoM team or you personally. Just because I don’t agree with the decisions you made for this month, does not mean I think less of you, or the project. Rather the inverse, it is not an easy task you have undertaken. Jeepday (talk) 11:12, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for fixing Author:Socrates disambiguation.[edit]

Hello.

As you've probably realised, at the time I changed the above page I was both ignorant of the proper format for a disambiguation page (though I had realised this was probably the correct thing to do); as well as being pretty frustrated that it redirected to an individual whom I thought was not a "normal" default choice (with due respect to Theornamentalist for creating it!)

In hind sight probably both of us made the choice which involving least effort in the immediate short term, perhaps with good intentions of revisiting the matter later; and then subsequently simply forgot.

I certainly did, and can only repeat my thanks to you both for taking the longer view, and giving me the hint how to handle like situations.

Finally, as a matter of style: I thought the disambiguation option should be triggered by having a situation of three or more choices, and may not have been warranted where simple alternatives are offered. Have I just "made up a rule in my head" (i.e. a false one), or is this really the preferred approach?

Regards, MODCHK (talk) 20:09, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Additional note: I later noticed the {{similar}} additions to the "destinations" of the disambiguation. All good to know! MODCHK (talk) 00:19, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

February news[edit]

Can you have a look at Wikisource:News/2013-02? Do you think the tone of the Wikivoyage story is OK? (The featured text section is just a placeholder as I haven't written the Main Page piece yet.) - AdamBMorgan (talk) 19:20, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

WS on YouTube[edit]

My friend, you may want to correct your spelling "Creative Commons Attribution/Share-Alice 3.0 license." from Alice to Alike. Too, you may want to suggest how much announcing would be done. Respectfully, —Maury (talk) 11:33, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Review template[edit]

Been in and added the backend component for the portal talk: ns preload

Unfortunately that means that I have had to protect the page, which means that you will need to nag an admin to either temporarily unprotect, or to make edits on your behalf. — billinghurst sDrewth 06:54, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Community portal[edit]

Per Wikisource:Scriptorium#Community portal: Are you OK with the preference for left justification in the new community portal? It appears to be the only qualm anyone has before I implement your updated page. - AdamBMorgan (talk) 16:33, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Annotations and derivative works[edit]

I have closed the proposal Derivative works on Scriptorium, on which you commented. I have now created a new page to discuss the detail: Request for comment on annotations and derivative works. If you would like to comment on this stage, please do so. I apologise for the page being rather long winded but I would like this problem to be solved as clearly as possible. - AdamBMorgan (talk) 22:36, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Two WS:News things[edit]

Hi, I have two news things to mention to keep you updated:

1) I found a news template that has been languishing since 2007 and I've updated it. I'm about the post this on Scriptorium too.

{{news}}

2) I started a WikiProject for WS:News just to have information about News and somewhere to put links to common sources of information. It isn't essential to anything but it is a convenient place to keep useful notes and information. (This is the "project" link in the template above; which was previously a red "about" link.) - AdamBMorgan (talk) 23:34, 1 April 2013 (UTC)