User talk:William Maury Morris II

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Books about Ancient Mexican Culture[edit]

Maury, just so you know, there are two other books recently added,these are To read Carlos Castaneda and Daany Beédxe. Regards--Raúl Gutiérrez (talk) 20:10, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

Thank you! You do fascinating work and those images from the past are striking! I like Mexican and other South American histories and cultures. Kindest regards, Maury (—William Maury Morris II Talk 14:18, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Book about Old Mexico and Her Lost Provinces[edit]

Raúl Gutiérrez (talk)

Raúl, por favor, ¡ayúdame! aqui --

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Index:Mexico,_California_and_Arizona_-_1900.djvu ((done))

(Guillermo) —William Maury Morris II Talk 01:14, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

Hey William,
I'm looking over the index and I'm wondering, do you have a way you prefer to partition the book? - Theornamentalist (talk) 20:50, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
Glad to help, and the more time you spend working on tables, I assure you, you will be capable of doing it too :) If you have any questions on what or how, please feel free to ask.
I made the front matter transclusion, and the rest can pretty much be set up from there by selecting on the links. I can also set up the illustration index to link to the images when they are transcluded if you like. - Theornamentalist (talk) 03:14, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
I'm glad you can help too. <smile> I know that I can learn about making tables but I find them boring and I came to wikisource to work on transcribing books—not to learn about making tables. I find javascripts and cascading style sheets more interesting than making tables. But wikisource has a place for everyone to contribute. The book on Old Mexico isn't a book that I requested. It was just sitting there and I like the history of that area. Close to that area I placed detailed 2 volumes on wikisource with lots of accent marks within the text; "Exploration of the Valley of the Amazon" volumes 1 and 2. They were very fascinating for me but work nonetheless. Why place books on wikisource and have nobody to edit the text? Somebody needs to it if wikisource is to collect texts. This book on Old Mexico has a lot of images. Each image has to work properly. The cleaning and so forth is fast for me. The uploading and entering the correct data is slower. Then adding them into the pages properly takes still longer. It is a slow process but being a lover of photography I like to work on images too. So, working on lots of text in every small [box] (page) of a book and the images are very time consuming. When would I take time out to learn about tables in all of what I am now doing? I haven't finished the text and images yet. It's slow going. It is a matter of how much each of us wants to spend our time and I am there working every day and into the nights. Even with this I am still learning proper coding within the text—wiki code vs hyper–text markup language. Whatever you can do and are willing to do please do. I thank you for your help and time in all this. People in the future will also benefit from everyone's area of work on wikisource. I almost live on wikisource at this computer. I know I have a lot to learn and as soon as I learn it there will be developed different ways to do the work. I learned HTML by hand when it first came out. I have been on internet for many years now and have seen the changes that programs can do for websites whereas we had to them all by hand and that is outdated for the most part. The process is what changes but I work mostly with the text and images and unlike much of the processes they will not change aside from placing them into another language.—William Maury Morris II Talk 03:48, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Image needed[edit]

Hi, I find the best way to mark a page as needing an image is to put the {{Missing image}} template on the page and mark the page as Problematic. The first will put the page into Category:Texts with missing images that the image experts will get to; and the second flags the page in blue on the Index which means that other editors know there's a problem and they can either deal with it our skip over the page for the time-being. I find that if the page is left as "Not Proofread" (pink) then I end up opening pages that I don't need to. Cheers, Beeswaxcandle (talk) 00:30, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Hello, and okay. I was not aware of what you have stated and I sincerely do thank you for your "Beeswax", Beeswaxcandle, you light up my life. :0) Best regards, —William Maury Morris II Talk 01:16, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
I have found a better way. When I write "missing image", it is intended for me only because the image is in the book but I have not d/loaded it, cleaned and u/loaded it yet. So, the "image is not really missing from the book. Therefore, leave that page alone until all other pages are done. Then go back and do the undone pages including placing the newly cleaned image within the text area, or just on the page if there is no text. Cheers, —William Maury Morris II Talk 09:20, 2 January 2012 (UTC)


That problem page in the Mexico djvu[edit]

Hi, I've just taken a look at a different copy of this work on the Internet Archive. The problem page shouldn't be there at all. The correct pages are /412 and /414, which are consecutive print pages. Now, as I don't know how to delete pages from a djvu file, I'll refer this to George Orwell who has dealt with this sort of thing before. Cheers, Beeswaxcandle (talk) 08:14, 5 February 2012 (UTC)


Admin[edit]

From what I have seen you are getting close to hitting the expectations for promotion at Wikisource:Adminship. What are your thoughts on becoming an admin on Wikisource? If you wanted to be you could, if you don't want it that is fine too. JeepdaySock (talk) 19:16, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

blips on the radar screen and pinging on sonar don't fit here[edit]

Administrator on Wikisource: When I saw your message I was actually stunned. I sat here just reading it and re-reading it. I have looked over the link you left about Administrators. My view is that to be an Administrator on Wikisource is one of the grandest honors possible on Wikisource. I do have a serious respect for such people with the technological know-how but I don't have those technological skills. I have never tried to learn all that exists in the skills area because editing text was always my joy. I have thought over the question for several hours and only moments ago when I tried to pull a book into Wikisource and failed (so far) I decided that I am not qualified for such an elite position, or at least not at this point in time. It is a great honor to be trusted with a position as administrator and it is also an honor just being asked if one wants to become an administrator! However, I fully believe a person must be qualified for the position and again, I don't feel qualified. I sincerely do thank you for the offer though as it will always be an honor to me just to be asked. Most respectfully, Maury (—William Maury Morris II Talk 09:09, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Technical skills are great to have, but the are not what makes an admin. It clear from my interactions with you that you have the most important quality of a potential admin; a desire to maintain Wikisource. Another important skill is people skills, you are always polite and courteous when dealing with other users. You have an ever increasing knowledge of Wikisource policies and practices. The only area I see that you really need more experience in is copyright. You can continue to learn more about WS policy by watching and/or participating in the discussions at, Wikisource:Scriptorium & Wikisource:Proposed deletions these are the two main areas where discussion of day to day operation of Wikisource occurs. Wikisource:Possible copyright violations is where we discuss copyright issues, by it's nature Wikisource's biggest hurdle is making sure that content meets the copyright requirements to be posted here. Copyright law is tough, and we don't have lawyers or courtrooms to give us answers. We are all just lay people who care about Wikisource, we do our best to work out the solutions. If you want to be an admin or not, I know you care about Wikisource, so I would encourage you to watch and participate at Wikisource:Possible copyright violations. All the technical skills in the Wiki world will not make you a admin on Wikisource, but a good grasp of WS:WWI & WS:CV will. If/when you feel qualified and have a desire to be nominated let me know, I would be most pleased to nominate you for the position. If you have any questions don't hesitate to ask. Jeepday (talk) 11:11, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
Yes, please, I have two questions. (1) Do administrators work in shifts and (2) Could I get my name used here changed to something anonymous [and short] to strangers that I would encounter as you have done? From reading, that was stated as good advice and presented to me and I agree with it when one is an administrator. Too many devilish or childish people like "payback". You are also absolutely right in that I care a lot about Wikisource and that includes protecting it. But I have been protective of people and good things all of my life as it is my nature. Kindest regards and thank you for all of the information you have provided. —William Maury Morris II Talk 19:52, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

A book you might be interested in[edit]

Hi, it's just dawned on me that a book I proofread in April last year might be of interest to you. Index:Boys of the Fort.djvu is a fictional account of life in a garrisoned fort in the Rockies at about the beginning of the 20th Century. Also, the next "young people's" book on my list is Index:For the Liberty of Texas.djvu. Cheers, Beeswaxcandle (talk) 09:46, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Hello, Beeswaxcandle and Welcome! Why not take your hat and coat off and stay awhile? I thank you for taking the time to point out the two books but my interests are elsewhere. I don't care much at all for "fiction" unless it is on television or at least historical fiction. Texas itself has never appealed to me except for the Alamo which is American history. I love history and science and the people involved in these areas and in regards to states, I love Virginia the best of all of states and I have been in many of our states. Each has its good and bad points. But Virginia is tapping into early American history and most all of my ancestry and collateral kin. I am only in Texas due to my marriage to a Texan. Otherwise I would be home in Virginia with ancestry and present family and Virginia's history embracing me. There is something about Virginia that is hard to place into words because she seems like a mother to true Virginians. In the military I wandered the world and at home in the USA I have wandered most of the states, including, but not limited to both east and west coasts from top to bottom. The two books I am presently working on are about Matthew Fontaine Maury and the other is about Abe Lincoln, both of which are about American history. I like so-called fiction works like Alice In Wonderland (which is historical fiction), Through the Looking Glass and What Alice found there (historical fiction), Herman Melville's Moby Dick (historical fiction) and the real story is just as good if not better. I like authors like Jules Verne and Edgar Allen Poe and others of likewise writing. I also love the works of people like William Shakespeare (a true master of words and ideas) and the Classics. If I were home in Virginia now I most probably be in Colonial Williamsburg and most likely at the book binding workshop or Raleigh Tavern drinking tea. Kindest regards and a Happy Memorial Day to you, sir. —William Maury Morris II Talk 14:10, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
No problems, that all helps me understand your foci. I'm afraid that as a non-American I just lumped Texas in with the "southern states", but now realise that my historical geography is lacking. I will remedy this in the next couple of days. There are a couple of Author:Stratemeyer Syndicate books that you might still be interested in. American Boys' Life of William McKinley and American Boy's Life of Theodore Roosevelt. The files for these have both been uploaded to Commons, but I haven't created the Index pages for them yet.

Thanks for your note on my talk page about apostrophes etc. When I did Boys of the Fort I was quite sick, so missing these kind of things doesn't surprise me. This is why our Proofread/Validation process is so important. With respect to the missing {{rule}} templates, if you mean those in Great Expectations, I deliberately omitted those as in the print edition they are chapter dividers for when one chapter finishes on a page and another starts on the same page. They're not present at the end of chapters that finish at the end of a page. To me this means that they are artefacts of the printing process and, as we are transcluding the chapters separately, don't need to be brought through. Best, Beeswaxcandle (talk) 07:04, 29 May 2012 (UTC)


Darien images'commons[edit]

Darien Exploration Expedition images

apostrophes[edit]

Hi Maury, I think (and hope) that it was only the Texas and Boys of the Fort files. The OCR for both of these skipped the apostrophes and when Stratemeyer wrote in "dialect" he fairly sprinkled the apostrophes around. I'm grateful that you are taking the time to work through and find the ones I've missed. I need to have a look and see if the files came from the same scanner into IA and then flag any other works through that scanner as needing extra care on my first pass through.

On a another matter, I finished tidying up that Mexico book a couple of weeks ago and have proposed it as a featured text. Cheers, Beeswaxcandle (talk) 06:59, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

To the best of my knowledge it is only in the Texas book. I haven't looked at others recently but I'll take a look at the others. Yes, I know that you refined the Mexico book. That was a lot of work I saw you doing. My friend in Mexico city worked on the hardest part—those tables. I didn't know how to do those tables in code. I did the illustrations and text. Respectfully, William Maury Morris II (talk) 15:46, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Wikiproject[edit]

I've just been through WikiProject and was surprised not to see a Southern/Confederate project, particularly since there's a huge set of Confederate Veteran works as well as the SHS. Would you like to start one or have I missed it? Chris55 (talk) 12:22, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Apparently you missed all three projects AdamBMorgan and I have been working on including placing all of those volumes on WS. William Maury Morris II (talk) 02:32, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks[edit]

Hi. Thanks for validation of a Set of Six. :-) --Mpaa (talk) 00:21, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Any relation?[edit]

I was reading this article and noticed the sunken ship's captain's name and wondered if it's of any interest to you? Mail OnlineIneuw talk 22:36, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

Our Sister Republic: Mexico (1870)[edit]

Hi. Finally learned how to create a proper file (without a watermark) and uploaded it to IA HERE. I estimate it will take 24 hours to be processed. I will let you know when it's on the commons. — Ineuw talk 13:04, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. I hope that it is still the same file which has light brown pages because those are easy on my eyes. Stark white hurts my eyes in a short time. Inductiveload created a script for me at my request that allows for a color background when editing text but the book pages that we work from often are stark white. I was seriously about to quit WS until I found this book. Respectfully, Maury

Our Sister Republic[edit]

The book is done and all transcluded, finished and ready to go, thanks to our hard work and help from Adam. Congratulations my friend!!!--Raúl Gutiérrez (talk) 16:10, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

That is two books about old Mexico that we have completed together, including a "Featured Text", and we still have others to do as long as we want to continue. !Poco a poco! Muchas gracias mi amigo en la cuidad de Mexico :) —William Maury Morris IITalk 22:22, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Buttons added[edit]

Hi Maury, I've added those two buttons as requested. Best, Beeswaxcandle (talk) 08:08, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

I looked when I was alerted by your message and they do show on my tool-bar. That can save a lot of work and is no where near being "lazy". It must be wonderful to be able to do all that you are capable of and do for WS and her many people. Very Respectfuly, Maury ( —William Maury Morris IITalk 08:14, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

SHSP Vol 20[edit]

Hi Maury, those two pages you just marked are duplicates of pages already in the file (which is presumably why they were marked as no text). The optimum management of this situation is to get the two pages deleted from the file - which means stopping work on the file until they're gone and the appropriate adjustments of the other pages are made (so that the pages already proofread/validated don't have to be done again. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 23:43, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Okay, Beeswaxcandle, whatever you say. I will not work on that volume until the pages are deleted -- but by whom and when? I will wait for AdamBMorgan because he set up that those volumes and we both have worked on them. It is his work that I am validating. Respectfully, Maury (—William Maury Morris IITalk 23:47, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Re: New Main Page[edit]

Maury, the icon looks like two tabs on computer browsers and this is why I chose it! It should be a representative icon of the current MotM task, which is "Main page and Community portal revision". The Main page and the Community portal are two pages that users open in browsers, so... If you find a better image, you're free to edit Template:Collaboration. Besides, all the three images in that section link to their description pages, because that's the standard on MediaWiki-powered sites. They could go somewhere else, but where?--Erasmo Barresi (talk) 17:25, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

I have no complaints with that. I just wanted to know the details of it because when I asked I didn't know. You have explained them and I thank you. —William Maury Morris IITalk 17:33, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

No problems.--Erasmo Barresi (talk) 17:46, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
"Silence is Golden" —William Maury Morris IITalk 18:06, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
Possibly un-clickable images would be better, but it doesn't seem a major issue (the other two images have been linking to their own pages for years, and maybe no one has ever thought it is a problem).--Erasmo Barresi (talk) 20:31, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
None of those images should be clickable. Other people just don't bother to get involved or don't care to mention it. I've been here since 2006 (Brother Officer) and I have never bothered to mention it before now. —William Maury Morris IITalk 00:05, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
Those images either should not be clickable because they go nowhere or they should be clickable and link to important areas on en.WS Looking back through the archives for the main Page I saw where one person (https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/User:Sanbeg/df7 ) had "Featured Images" and it showed The Declaration of Independence. —William Maury Morris IITalk 01:33, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
Right. Does this change require a prior discussion? No, I guess.
Will you ask an admin to perform the necessary edits? The pages to be edited are 1 2 3.
Images can be made un-clickable by using an empty "link" parameter; for example this code [[File:Acap.svg|15px|link=]] produces Acap.svg.--Erasmo Barresi (talk) 13:52, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Validating Goethe's Works[edit]

Thank you for validating my work! If you would prefer it, I can clean up the formatting of the line breaks in the already done section. Or I can get back to proofreading. MarkLSteadman (talk) 03:33, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

You are very welcome. Would you be willing to validate 30 pages of my work? The "In Memoriam" is very short and has been proofread and sitting for a long while. I will continue on some more validating of your work. It is a fair exchange. :) Kindest regards, Maury ( —William Maury Morris IITalk 03:41, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Index:In_Memoriam._Matthew_Fontaine_Maury.djvu

I would be pleased to. I haven't validated before so I might be back with some questions if I have any... MarkLSteadman (talk) 03:46, 26 October 2012 (UTC)


Just proofread the text and enter edit and click on the green square to Validate. It's very similar to proofreading and clicking on the yellow dot. I don't mind answering any questions you may have as long as I know the answer. Kindest regards, Maury ( —William Maury Morris IITalk 03:50, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Should I remove the gap templates? When I was working in someone's else text with them they were removed as against the style guide? MarkLSteadman (talk) 04:01, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Yes, please remove them. I have learned more since that text. —William Maury Morris IITalk 04:04, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

I noticed that page 14 was not a good scan. I saw they have a better version now on google books. Not sure how to replace it though. MarkLSteadman (talk) 04:36, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Finished with In Memoriam. Thanks again for validating Goethe. I hope you found it interesting. MarkLSteadman (talk) 05:29, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

First Voyage around the world[edit]

Hi Maury, hope this finds you as well as a box of fluffy ducks. User:RonSimpson contacted me in a panic thinking that everything he'd done was wrong, which is why I'm dropping you this note. I wonder if there was another way to communicate the problems with the pages you demoted? The particular issues are the sort of thing that Validation is for (along with gentle education of the user). Cheers, Beeswaxcandle (talk) 02:44, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done I replied on your talk page and on Ron Simpson's talk page. Respectfully, —William Maury Morris IITalk 06:44, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Re: Thumbs Up[edit]

Maury, I'm happy that you like my draft (I've made the icons un-clickable...). I had posted an unsuccessful proposal for adopting it to the Scriptorium, and probably I will open another due to your endorsement :). Regarding your latest comments, I don't think there's a lot of white space on the front page.--Erasmo Barresi (talk) 14:16, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

I'm pleased to see that you're so interested! I don't mind the backup, of course. Happy birthday for your son!--Erasmo Barresi (talk) 15:27, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

The Black Cat[edit]

Thank you for the quick validation Maury :) - Theornamentalist (talk) 01:39, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

Hi Maury, Thanks for finishing off the American Indian book. It was on my list to get back to over the course of the month as I don't like leaving PotM works that close to finished. I can cross it off now. Much appreciated. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 23:36, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Exploration of the Valley of the Amazon[edit]

Do you have a way of getting me the image files in a zip for Exploration of the Valley of the Amazon? I would like to help you with the OCR. Thanks. --Mattwj2002 (talk) 06:26, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

Matt, my reply is on your talk page. I inherited the books and typed in the text years ago. There was no need to scan pages as we do today. Kind regards, Maury ( —William Maury Morris IITalk 07:39, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
William Maury Morris II, send me a link to what you need converted. Thanks. --Mattwj2002 (talk) 13:37, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

Illustrated History of England[edit]

I've just been reading through Scriptorium: Do you still need this series uploaded or is it already being handled? Moving files to Commons from the Internet Archive is easy enough (I don't have access to Hathi Trust and this looks a little long to download individual pages). The archive appears to have several sets. This 1865 revised edition looks good, for example. (I probably won't have much time to assist with the proofreading, however, as I already seem to have too many active projects on my hands.) - AdamBMorgan (talk) 23:20, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

(PS: As for the English/British thing, English (or Welsh/Scottish etc) is to British as Virginian (or Texan/Californian etc) is to American. England is part of Britain but Britain is more than just England, so a State is probably the closest US equivalent. It does get a bit more complicated — technically, for example, Ireland is part of the British Isles and therefore also British but then lots of countries are technically American. However, in general, Britain means the whole country and England just means the "L"-shaped bit of the largest island.)


Yes, that is volume 1 of 9 volumes totaled. After volume 1, I will decide whether to work on the other 8 volumes or not and yes, it would be page-by-page since I have no choice with HathiTrust. I do have access to it but I would prefer that you upload what you have shown above. If I manage to complete that many-pages volume then I will decide whether to go for the other volumes 2-9. I will take on all volumes if I can one-by-one uploaded here to wikisource as opposed to uploading all nine volumes that may be overwhelming. It would be grand to have all 9 volumes on en.ws -- the complete illustrated set.
Post Script: Thank you for the clarification on England and Britain. I should have known that and I suspect I am losing some of my memory from getting older. Most respectfully, Maury ( —William Maury Morris IITalk 14:25, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
The first volume is up and ready: Index:Cassell's Illustrated History of England vol 1.djvu. - AdamBMorgan (talk) 21:48, 13 November 2012 (UTC)


Re: Highlight Right -- Highlight Bright[edit]

If you want for the words to be in the same line, write:

<span style="background-color:#FFF700">First</span>
<span style="background-color:#6699CC">Second</span>

To get the words on different lines, use div tags—or p tags for a space between lines—instead of span tags. The HTML Color Picker can be used to find better color shades. Soon, Erasmo Barresi (talk) 19:08, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

"Introduction – For Wikipedians" contains two links, not one. Is "Are you new to Wikisource? – Are you a Wikipedian?" (with questions) a better wording? That's the only possible choice that comes to my mind.--Erasmo Barresi (talk) 19:27, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
I think "Are you new to Wikisource? sounds good. There are people who would not know {Are you a Wikipedian?) what a "Wikipedian" is. -- Maury
I haven't been clear... The links are two: one to Help:Introduction and the other to Wikisource:For Wikipedians. I've added some gap between the two labels so they're easier to recognize.--Erasmo Barresi (talk) 15:15, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Clipper Ships[edit]

Here it is: Index:The Clipper Ship Era.djvu. I've only started the Index page as I write this, but all the early pages should be correctly numbered (at least to p.42 of the book). There is an interior "title page" that I'm not sure how to label, so I've temporarily marked it with "??"" until I or someone else figures out what to label it. You can go ahead and start adding the early pages, but hold off on the latter one's until I've done a little more for the Index page, so that the automagic page numbers wil fill in correctly. --EncycloPetey (talk) 05:34, 18 November 2012 (UTC)


Oh, thank you! I prefer books about the oceans and sea-faring. The clippers racing and tea and spices are all so historical and are a joy to read. I don't much care for combat situations in reading. I will wait until the entire book is set-up before I mess something up. Thank you so much. That interior title may be a sub title. I'll work it out when I start editing the book.

Respectfully, Maury ( —William Maury Morris IITalk 05:58, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

One more thing: You've added </references> as a footer to every page, but I didn't see footnotes anywhere in the work when I was setting it up. You do know that the "references" footer is only required to display footnotes on a page, yes? [ No, I did not know. It has never been mentioned by anyone] Having it in there adds just a little bit of unnecessary size to every created page. A small amount when you're doing a single page, but it adds up over hundreds or thousands of pages to needless storage space used for something that isn't needed. [Place this information on the proper help page for other editors to be aware] --EncycloPetey (talk) 20:47, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
I only added </references> after the system prompted me to add </references>. Yes, there is a page with footnotes. There is more than one page with footnotes. They should be easy to find since it would be colored yellow as proofread. At this point, the beginning, I don't know if there are more pages with </references> or not since I just started. Too, I have never seen opposition or complaint by anyone to adding </references>. This has been the situation for many years now. When I have asked others to set up a book for me to edit, </references> was usually added. I only very recently learned to add to add </references> becausen the system prompted me to do so upon adding one and not having </references>. Many times I have validated Billinghurst's works. On one occasion recently, about a month or two, I asked him on his talk page about the fact that he had no </references> because I was used to seeing them. He only wrote, <"Shrug...> and gave no explanation as you have given here. I have no desire to add </references> if it is not needed -- if the system does not prompt me to do so upon saving a page. It benefits me in no way to do so, it is in fact, quite the opposite, -- it is more to be done that isn't editing book pages which is what I like to do. Perhaps </references> can be added to just the pages that require and prompt me to do so while leaving the other pages without </references>? —William Maury Morris IITalk 00:09, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
  • UPDATE for EncycloPetey re: </references> I have only started on this book but regardless here are two of the references you never saw:

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:The_Clipper_Ship_Era.djvu/25

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:The_Clipper_Ship_Era.djvu/27

William Maury Morris IITalk 02:47, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

I've now set up enough of the formatting in the Contents and Illustrations pages that you should be able to complete them by copying what I've already done. --EncycloPetey (talk) 19:54, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
Thank you! I most likely will continue onward as I have been today with editing text and then the image work before I ever work on Contents and Illustrations pages. Kindest regards, Maury ( —William Maury Morris IITalk 20:06, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

Re: Marking a suspect spelling (was in Wikisource:Scriptorium)[edit]

Hello.

Please accept my sincere apologies for my rant regarding variants on the theme of {{sic}}. I really was not having a go at you (or at least not intentionally so; upon reading what I wrote my first reaction was "Did I really write that? How condescending!") On the contrary I was trying to indicate (and obviously failing heroically!) the huge plethora of existing alternatives... and I am sure there are even more I have not come across.

Personally, I like {{SIC}}, as you can simply use it to mark an error, or to indicate both what is on the page and what it should have been (if you can figure it out reliably.) I see you are already doing this yourself.

I didn't mention this one in the Scriptorium entry; but you might also consider trying {{WiktGray}} (also has aliases {{wg}} and {{WiktGrey}}, whichever you prefer.) This template creates a link to Wiktionary, and better than half the time will locate a definition for an archaic spelling or term which has stumped me.

The other one of which I have made a fair bit of use is {{definition}}. I tend to use it to mark name contractions e.g. "{{definition|Robt.|Robert}}" which appears as "Robt."; which I though was a tidy way of marking these sort of things as interesting, but nonetheless I do not consider to be "errors." At least so far nobody has indicated this is a bad thing to do! Hope this makes sense.

Regards, MODCHK (talk) 07:10, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

I thank you for your good manners but there really is no reason to apologize for anything. I am surprised you thought otherwise. I wasn't bothered in any sort of negative way in what you wrote. You just wrote as "a matter of fact" and I took certainly saw nothing in that as being offensive to me nor anyone else. You posted good points, some of which I already knew and have worked with. I myself tend to be playful after editing serious materials. That's a relaxation on my part. I don't get upset over anything on-line easily and in fact that would be very rare. Kindest regards, Maury ( —William Maury Morris IITalk 11:02, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
That is equally kind of you. I obviously had not made it clear enough at the time, but the entire point of my comment had been intended to divert AdamBMorgan from producing yet another template when so many solutions already address some aspect or nearby concept to the "how to mark spelling errors" issue you originally raised.
To reinforce my point, I notice at least two more suggestions have been posted since my rant. That is a lot to choose from, and for the sake of your own sanity I am glad you have settled on an answer which works for you already! MODCHK (talk) 22:25, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
Your point about no more templates is what came across to me when you first posted which is why I had no reason to feel offended. It takes a lot to offend me, I've been in the real world a long time and on Internet when it first started up before webpages and browsers. Too, I spent 7 years debating other professors on-line on the American Civil War aka War Between the States. Before that I was on many BBS'. So I am used to people on and off Internet. Here is my 1st book on Internet and the 1st one about the American Civil War on Internet. Note the date. Everything had to be in all ascii (plain text) in those days and placed on a FTP site. http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/academic/history/marshall/military/civil_war_usa/D_H_Maury/

The only marking of spelling that I have done is about three or four {{sic}} marks as per Beeswaxcandle's suggestions to me. I have known him for a fairly long time now and I trust him as well as his knowledge. He is a well-mannered and very respectful person. So is AdamBMorgan, a very favorite administrator of mine who has helped me for years on WS now. Kindest regards, Maury ( —William Maury Morris IITalk 01:39, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

Treasure Island page numbers[edit]

Regarding whether the page numbers in Treasure Island should be in the "[8]" or "[ 8 ]" format, I have no strong feelings either way. I read it as the first version but it could be the second. If you want to change them, feel free. - AdamBMorgan (talk) 03:40, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

Nay! I have no desire to change all of those pages. My statement was more out of curiosity for myself and my own future work should I myself encounter that situation so I would know which to use from the beginning of a work. Most respectfully, —Maury (talk) 03:47, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

About image software[edit]

Hi. I've always been meaning to ask you but keep forgetting because Al Zheimer is visiting at my place :-D. What OS you use?, which browser?, and what graphic software you use to prepare uploaded images? . . . Just curious. — Ineuw talk 12:32, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

Lo. Windows XP, Firefox 17.0.1, Adobe XI Pro, ACDSee Pro 6. —Maury (talk) 16:16, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the info. You are way ahead of me with graphic software. :-) — Ineuw talk 20:57, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
ack! We just has an edit conflict when I tried to send you updated information on graphics work. <<In short>> I now do what you told me to do with Infraview (sp?) I also use a blend of these programs and I get good results. I download .jp2 zip files and convert them to Portable Networks Graphics aka .PNG Too, I can remove Gooble and Universities markings on any .PDF file easily and a lot more. I can replace any image within a .PDF file. I can remove the metadata if I want. I took your man sitting on a camel and got a better image. Instead of his being black it can now be seen. His saddle forms the letter W which is very creative. I have not uploaded any images recently. Software is only as good as the person who uses it. You excel. I hope to catch up with you someday. <smile>

Re: Relationship between IA & WS[edit]

FYI, I didn't forget your idea of establishing some special relationship between us and IA. Adminship on IA is unlikely, but a special category of trusted uploader connected with WS has a better chance. However, the derivation process' failures have nothing to do with an uploader. They seem to accept anything and everything, and delete as they wish if it doesn't meet their criteria. The problem is purely technical and staff related. They simply don't have enough people to maintain and oversee their system, unless it's brought to their attention by email. Forum posts are useless. I also added this bit of information to Help:Internet Archive page concerning derivation failure. — Ineuw talk 01:25, 10 December 2012 (UTC)


This work you have done is fantastic! Your explanations include graphics the way you and I and some others see that area which I feel sure not everyone on en.WS knows about. You do excellent work in everything! That's a fact, I am not just saying it for the heck of it. You have the good sense to know that "a picture is worth a thousand words" and that images capture the eye as opposed to all boring reading after reading all day and part of the night whether on-line or with a hardcover, or soft cover book. Congratulations on a well-done job that will be helpful to anyone with this interest. —Maury (talk) 02:03, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Virginia Book and SHSP Vol 20[edit]

Hi Maury, Raúl snuck in last night and finished the Virginia book off before I could get back to it. So, it's now waiting for transclusion. With respect to SHSP Vol 20, the problem with those first pages seems to have been fixed without George or me realising it. George has updated the status and the volume is once again available for proofreading. Cheers, Beeswaxcandle (talk) 06:14, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

RE: Validating[edit]

Sure I can do some validating of Southern Historical Society. I'll have to stop the validation I'm doing on The Varieties of Religious Experiences, but hey, you're asking. --Legofan94 (talk) 05:06, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

hey Maury, I understand. I'm willing and able to validate your edits. Considering your devotion to the memories of these veterans, I don't think you'll have many to change. I'm a southerner myself, so I understand your desire that this viewpoint be preserved. honestly, I don't see this as being so big of a deal. I can either blow through this like a 100 degree snowplow, or I can check out each page with a new set of eyes.It's your choice.

It's my fault I didn't inform you, I've run into some personal problems recently and have been unable to validate recently. Will try to contribute more often, but would be more comfortable if more users were working on the project too.--Legofan94 (talk) 18:09, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

That's okay man, it is nobody's "fault." I agree it would be more comfortable if more users were working on the project. The project probably would be finished. What you do see there was mostly done by me -- alone -- so I definitely agree more users could help at least by "validating" what I have already done. I do a lot of validating for others on WS and have been for quite a while now. Validation is easy compared to the text work that is far more difficult and I have done volumes of that by myself on that project. Respectfully, —Maury (talk) 07:20, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Em dash[edit]

Hello, I believe the matter of spaces around an em-dash is a matter of differing opinions. I add the spaces because the em dash alone does not break between lines, as I feel it should. Best, --Eliyak T·C 06:34, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

YouTube video[edit]

Maury, I started working on a YouTube video about Wikisource.

You are a visionary. You know the things of value and you work on them before any others ever, if ever, start to do the same or similar. —Maury (talk) 16:25, 2 January 2013 (UTC)


Let's write the script here. You can already start adding something funny, since my wording always looks staid. But please don't add formatting, because I'm going to copy and paste it. Words in brackets are instructions for superimpositions. The Italian privacy laws restrict the use of people's portraits (especially minors' ones), so I hope you will be the speaker.

"There is nothing settled, nothing staid in this universe" (Virginia Woolf).
Erasmo, I have looked over the text and found it "staid". I am in agreement with you but not Virginia Woolf -- she's wrong.
If I try this I will have to write my own way and submit it to be included, changed, or discarded. The way I view this is that you write the cold facts which do have to be there. But I write to catch the imagination of readers and to create excitement. This is simply two different forms of writing akin to the likes of prose, descriptive, poetic, and other forms of writing. I am also inclined to use dynamic images when possible. I _can_ write as you have done but in all honesty it is boring to me. As stated, they are all facts -- instructions -- but all instructions are not appealing to me although I am aware many people prefer them over anything else. These facts are similar to all facts. As stated, I go for the creativity, the imagination, and the concept of fun working on books as well as a dedication to saving the "lives" of old books. Too, I seek out people who have time on their hands such as people that are retired but have a lot of knowledge from their life but in their past exploits and enounters. I think you would do well with AdamBMorgan and perhaps George Orwell III. They both are more knowledgeable about the facts of Wikisource. Adam is especially good because he has imagination and works, in his spare time, on saving comics -- very unusual comics due to his wonderful imagination.
Out of courtesy, I should say I have read messages about this but haven't been able to contribute or comment (let alone follow the link to YouTube). I've been having a series of different connection problems since December and I currently only have internet access at work. That doesn't leave me much time and the computers here have very odd access filters (I've had pages blocked for "gaming", "gambling" and even "pornographic content"; even though I know they have none of that). When I have a proper internet connection again I should be able to comment further. - AdamBMorgan (talk) 18:08, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

Incidentally, do you like the relaunched newsletter?--Erasmo Barresi (talk) 15:06, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Yes, it is informative but know that Lincoln is not revered by a lot of people in Southern states in this nation. This nation was divided by north and south and war eventually came -- a war that did not have to be. The south is where I live and my ancestry fought against the north. I can tell you a lot about Lincoln and his cabinet and his generals but none of it is good. So, his image shown on the new version of the newsletter is not pleasing to me nor is the linked speech he gave. —Maury (talk) 15:50, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
Sorry, I didn't see your post on the Scriptorium.--Erasmo Barresi (talk) 15:11, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
No problem whatsoever, it is still there. :) —Maury (talk) 15:50, 2 January 2013 (UTC)


Video: 10 Questions for Jimmy Wales (co-founder of Wikipedia) by TIME magazine


Thanks for the link. I switched to a questions and answer format. I'm going to include music and video effects.--Erasmo Barresi (talk) 10:53, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

That's the route I would take, questions and answers and calm/quiet music. You can also use several editor's submitted photograph, or a Cam Video from their computer. A collection of these things can then be selective. In another series you can video some shots of the Main Page, the Newsletter, and still later, How To Use Wikisource. —Maury (talk) 17:11, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Maury, I've sent you an email. Please answer there.--Erasmo Barresi (talk) 18:17, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Done I am also going to send you a small sample speech file. —Maury (talk) 03:03, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Page:Southern Historical Society Papers volume 01.djvu/84[edit]

Hello Maury.

I am aware that you and I have had a number of back-and-forth edits upon this page; and I want to reassure you I am (trying at least) not to alter any of your changes. The fact is a couple of technical issues have come up which I have written up and submitted to George Orwell III for his advice. I do not foresee my changing the page any more unless advised to the contrary, but that is not to say for you to hold off if you so wish.

Please let me know if you are interested in the outcome of enquiries (I don't believe they are likely to affect you in any way, but who knows yet?)

Yes, I know I have severely "gilded the lily" on this one, but in the course of my personal learning I hope you don't mind―too much!

Regards, MODCHK (talk) 01:52, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Australia[edit]

Maury, if you'd like to know about Australia see w:Australia. --kathleen wright5 (talk) 06:03, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, kathleen, but I already know about wikipedia. I edited there for about 6 years before working on wikisource and I still add tidbits on wikipedia once in a while. —Maury (talk) 19:40, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

RE: WS on YouTube[edit]

Maury, could you add this to the February newsletter, please? You are so good at drawing the attention.--Erasmo Barresi (talk) 17:51, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done —Maury (talk) 22:07, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

MotM edit conflict of sorts[edit]

I moved the commentary portion of the Creating a YouTube Video to the corresponding Talk page if that is okay. In the process, a post you made was left out of my move, and I don't know where you would prefer to place the comment as things currently stand, so I will leave that up to you... It's okay by me if you wish for everything to be back as it was. Thanks, Londonjackbooks (talk) 23:36, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

I think I'll leave it, unless you want it moved... It looks as though you wrote it with that specific section in mind anyhow, in which case it is where it should be. Londonjackbooks (talk) 00:52, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

Running Headers of Picture Posters[edit]

Hi William. I made a minor mess with the Picture Posters running headers as follows. At the very beginning I randomly proofread some pages/images and used {{smaller}} as in PICTURE POSTERS. to enclose the captions. Then, several other editors used the standard font size. To standardise, I will correct to whichever style you think is best. Please let me know what you think. — Ineuw talk 22:18, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Ineuw, you already know which is best. Don't worry about what others think as better. They can and will always change it to what they think is best anyhow. They do the same to me whichever way I do use or don't use something. Let them go ahead. They'll change it to their way no matter what. I notice in your excellent, and I do mean "excellent", image work, that you standardize the image sizes and I do the same as you. In the Pictures Book we both usually use 400px but not always. *I* learn from you. Respectfully, —Maury (talk) 23:02, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Clipper Ships[edit]

Hi Maury, I see the work has just been completed. It's a great addition to our collection. Sorry I didn't do more on it, but I got distracted when I unexpectedly disappeared for that couple of weeks. I'm about to disappear again for a few weeks so I'll download it and read it while I'm off-line. I hope to see it nominated for Featured status. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 07:12, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Well done Maury. A great read. Moondyne (talk) 07:39, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Austen book[edit]

Hi, the text got stuck at commons. I've gone across and kicked it a couple of times and it's fine now. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 07:57, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

I hope you didn't do that barefoot. <smile>

I just finished looking over some strange books that looks (a mess) as though someone copied a lot of material and just dumped it into en.WS The person uses an IP address. Respectfully, —Maury (talk) 08:05, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Have you seen the size of a kiwi's foot? Of course it was barefoot! And while Walter Scott is on my list of authors I will get around to at some point, I'm not really wanting to do them right now as I'm working on Anthony Trollope's Barchester Chronicles in amongst other things. sigh. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 09:11, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Quotation marks[edit]

Sorry, I just stomped on your quotes. Didn't mean to; was unthinkingly clicking through to the next page and didn't realise it was already validated!  :-) Do you normally do curly-quotes? — Sam Wilson ( TalkContribs ) … 07:15, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

No, those "curly-quotes" were not mine. I never use them on Wikisource. —Maury (talk) 07:19, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
Ah! Good-o.  :-) All is well then. — Sam Wilson ( TalkContribs ) … 07:26, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

The Iron Pirate[edit]

You may be interested in a sailing adventure novel I've uploaded and started: Index:The Iron Pirate 1905.djvu. I plan to get the contents and first few pages done later today, but probably won't make working on the novel a high priority after that, as I already have several projects going. However, it looked like the sort of thing you'd enjoy, so I thought I'd mention it, in case you're interested. --EncycloPetey (talk) 18:58, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

EncycloPetey, I am not keen on books of fiction but I love fiction in films. I will certainly help and already have started. I am working on my book, "Six Months in Mexico.". The Iron Pirate, whomever or whatever it is, had best become aware of iron pyrite (fool's gold) lest he take risks for nothing. :-) As always, very Respectively, —Maury (talk) 19:29, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Index:Edgar Allan Poe - a centenary tribute.pdf[edit]

Hi Maury, I'm wondering if you might have time to deal with the illustrations in this work. At the moment they're all "raw image" and just need a little assistance. Once they're done we can cross this book off our list as complete. If you have neither time nor inclination, that's fine. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 23:23, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

I don't mind but presently it appears that the source file is incorrect for those images. I need to look this over closer. The files shown here are too compressed which is why they look bad. —Maury (talk) 16:56, 1 April 2013 (UTC)


Cited Source=[http://www.archive.org/details/centenarytrib00trenrich

The above source shows 2 images totaled.

This is the source file with all images. I will do all of these images from this source file. http://archive.org/details/cu31924022025328

Various flowers[edit]

Hi Maury, my partner is a botanist so I know something about flowers. Plate XXVII: Arbutus unedo common-name Strawberry tree; Plate XXI: Hare-bells; Plate XXII: Fox-glove and a fern of some sort; Plate XX: Striped flower is a carnation, not sure what the yellow flower is, the other's are Dianthus common-name Pinks; Plate XXIII: Convovulus, again not sure about the yellow flower (by the way I note that the colour in the original is cut off at the top and right side leaving just black); Plate XXIV: Thistle, not sure on the yellow (beginning to look like I don't notice yellow flowers in real life); Plate XXV: I'm not completely sure, but I think the red flowers are Fritillaria; Plate XVI: Tiger-lily and crocus; Plate XXVIII: The lower left-hand fruits are rose-hips; the middle are black-berries, I don't recognise the top scarlet fruits; Plate XII: blue/purple flowers are pimpernel, yellow flowers?; Plate XIII: Water-lilies. Best, Beeswaxcandle (talk) 07:51, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Wow! That is really nice to know. I once knew about scientific nomenclature but it was too long ago (high school). I don't know but I believe most people prefer the common names. I knew some of the flowers by sight and certainly remember the common names you have mentioned but was not sure until you told me. I recall fox-glove from (I think) Alice in Wonderland. I recognized the thistle which I don't think of as a flower but rather a weed. I remembered the crocus because it comes up in early spring even in the last of snows in Virginia. There it is one of the first signs of spring. I know the black-berries very well. They are gathered and made into jam and canned for the winter delights for supper. My mother did this -- and I copied her in "canning" just to learn survival skills from her parent's farm. It was an excellent farm where all food was grown and where my grandfather cut timber to build two churches, a bridge across the mighty James River, his own tobacco barn, hay barn, chicken house and much more. There were 4 brothers in the same close area within a few hundred acres each. So, until the age of 7 years. When possible, I lived on my grand parent's farm and had farm chores to do like everyone else. My mother loved flowers and planted many kinds and I as a kid and later as an adult assisted her in planting flowers of all kinds. The images in the book are very pleasing to me. I used to take photos with my camera and mom placed them in "flower books" and labeled each flower. She was a nurse and took those flower books around to patients to make them feel happy seeing familiar sights because they were stuck in a hospital bed with one framed painting hanging on the wall to stare at. I seriously think the flower book we are working on should have their names added below the image. Respectfully, —Maury (talk) 08:18, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
Once we've got them all identified properly, I suggest we put the names in the alt-text at least. Could also try to create "hover-text" at various spots on each image. I'll hunt up how to do that tomorrow. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 08:25, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Names of Flowers[edit]

I think it is best to use "alt" beneath the flower images as soon as you can collect the details of what the flowers are. Should we use scientific names or common names or both? If it comes down to just one I prefer to use the common names. —Maury (talk) 23:59, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

I've just discovered that there is a table of all the flowers in the plates on Page:The Romance of Nature; or, The Flower-Seasons Illustrated.djvu/25 onwards. Kind of makes my guesses a little redundant, eh? Oh well. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 01:13, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
Is the glass half full of water or half empty? In psych class I answered "both". It may make your statements "redundant" but it also reinforces and confirms your statements leading to the point of absolute accuracy by cross-referencing. I too saw that table when I finished working on the flower images and started reading text. My friend, we're both smart! <smile> —Maury (talk) 01:43, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
Beeswaxcandle, is there a good way to hyperlink the flower image to the plate numbers and have that show in the mainspace? i.e. image hyperlinked to PLATE III. —Maury (talk) 01:52, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
OK. I've added descriptions to all the images in Commons (except the one George added for us a short while ago as that hasn't reached Commons yet). I'm not sure about hyperlinking the images back to the table of plates. However, we certainly want to link from the table and also from the first mention in the text to the plates. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 21:51, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you![edit]

I just noticed for the first time that you went through and validated the pages of History of the narrow gauge railroad in the Willamette Valley. Many thanks! I was rather proud of that project :) -Pete (talk) 21:40, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

You are most welcome. —Maury (talk) 03:21, 18 April 2013 (UTC)


I believe that I have correctly edited your Special:MyPage/common.js page, so please reload it (ctrl-F5) and see if your buttons are back. — billinghurst sDrewth 07:45, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

It works again. —Maury (talk) 02:43, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

And I have added the {{hws}} and {{hwe}} buttons. — billinghurst sDrewth 15:56, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
Muchas gracias. —Maury (talk) 16:11, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Dashes[edit]

Hey Maury,

When I look at the pages in the Poe work (like this one) the dashes don't appear to have much of any padding, which is why I was using {{--}}. It is tough to tell on some of them, but either one that it should be, I would like for them to be consistent throughout the work. If you're going to validate the pages and change them to {{}}, make sure to do it to all the pages (did I just volunteer you to validate the entire work?) Let me know though before changing them next time so we can talk and I can start to proofread using them or something.

Thank you for validating :) - Theornamentalist (talk) 11:15, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

I didn't change the padding myself (by hand) in any manner. When the pages using the "padding" gets "formatted" using shift-alt-x, like we always have done except recently, it is then that that those changes took place. Formatting as you know is the last thing we do on any given page and then we move to the next page never knowing the new style you use has changed. When I saw those changes I stopped formatting pages in that book. It is a matter of formatting changing the padding to what you saw. Otherwise I would have validated the entire book as I always do as in the case of Hesperian's Three volumes I have been working a lot on and those volumes, page by page as they are validated, show in the watchlist where we place comments of any changes we might make. You cannot use shift-alt-x to format on the pages you create. One would have to avoid all formatting as we have known it. Formatting a page was once a big deal but now one has problems with formatting a page in the manner you use with "padding". No page can be formatted as in the past. As stated, I stopped completely when I noticed a change after formatting pages. Still, I regret and apologize what has happened. The only thing I knew was to leave that book and format no more of the pages. I would never try to harm your work and I think you know this. Kindest regards, —Maury (talk) 02:58, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

He's back (sort of)![edit]

Hey Maury! I have been off and on on Wikisource for the past few months, and just saw your message to my cousin, Tannertsf, to "come home." His real-life got much busier, since he got married and now has a kid, and a higher-paying but more working job. Basically, he won't be back.

But, fear not! I am willing to help in any projects/works you are doing here - I am voraciously searching for stuff to do right now. Just let me know! - Lucyrocks=) (talk) 06:31, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

That is great news hearing about Tannertsf, his son and marriage and his job! I regret that he won't be back, he is an excellent worker and a smart one. He helped me on several projects -- he taught me how to do things I did not know how to do when he was here. I feel he was badgered away but perhaps I am wrong in that feeling. He would start several projects and hop from one to another when bored with just one and I am exactly the same way with that. When some people take on large projects it just gets boring after a lot of editing and something new is desired. Any other undone works can be waiting to come back to. Jumping from one book to another is a "break" in editing for some people like Tannertsf and myself. I have validating I would love for you to work on. I do not believe anyone on this system can handle it. It takes a toughness, an inner strength, and a lot of determination. While I myself have done almost all proofreading people shy away from simple validating because it is so much text they cannot endure simple validating. It is less than the original 52 volumes of the Southern Historical Society Papers. The Southern Historical Society was started by former CSA Major General Dabney Herndon Maury after Lincoln invaded the South. That is part of why I miss Tannertsf -- he worked a lot on those volumes with me. So there sits volumes already proofread (the hard part) but not validated (the easiest part). I had all 52 volumes placed on fully searchable CD around 1994 and with a "Note" from me at the very beginning of that CD. Thousands were sold and thousands of dollars were made from those sales. They have been placed in the best of universities, libraries, Historical Associations, and sold overseas. Still, I meet people who have never heard of those volumes and yet they contain history written by Confederate officers, and civilians as to what they went through during the so-called "Civil War" -- but technically it was not a Civil War which is one government divided. Before Lincoln ever took office the Confederacy was already established and had its government. A great deal of our history, especially during 12 years of Reconstruction, be ye a northerner or a southerner, was taught by the victor and as the adage goes, to the victor goes the spoils of war. So Washington collected papers stolen from the south as well as submitted by the south to compile over 100 volumes of the "Official Records of the War of the Rebellion". Former Maj Gen Dabney Herndon Maury USA/CSA, nephew of Commodore Matthew Fontaine USN/CSN Maury got together southerners and started the Southern Historical Society. Had not Southern organizations like this been created and worked on long and hard then the full history, especially the Southern version, of that war, would be left to forgetfulness as time passed and people died down through many generations. Now, given all of this, are you interested in working on the Southern Historical Society's "Papers"? As I have stated, it takes inner strength to take on large projects. I have these volumes on WikiSource because people north or south still do not know enough about this nation's history. Too many get a one-sided viewpoint and never know there is another side to the story. Too many blindly just accept what comes easiest to them and yet it is a huge part of the history of the United States of America. Kindest regards to you and an overwhelming happiness you've told me about Tannertsf and his family! He is a good man and he will be a good husband and a good father. I am so pleased that he is happy. I am older and retired with sons and grandchildren.—Maury (talk) 11:12, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanations! Tannertsf was a great help for me with beginning here. I would be very happy working on the SHSP's with you. Just to let you know, I do jump around a bit (doing page 34, then 58, then 234, etc.). I will also try (hopefully) to do a bit of proofing on later volumes as well as validation. Let me know if anything I do is wrong or looks weird. Thanks! - Lucyrocks=) (talk) 03:41, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Southern Historical Society--background[edit]

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Southern_Historical_Society:_Its_Origin_and_HistoryWilliam Maury Morris II Talk 02:29, 1 December 2011 (UTC) —Maury (talk) 11:19, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Shortcut to Southern Historical Society Volumes[edit]

SHSP

 

—Maury (talk) 12:02, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

A little something I happened to see...[edit]

Hi, Maury, hope you don't mind, I was just going over some pages from the Recent Changes page, when I happened over this section on Hesperian's talk page, and saw that your birthday was on 12 May. Well, it's a long time since May, but I thought I would come over and wish you a (rather belated) Happy Birthday! Sincerely—Clockery Fairfield (talk·contribs) 10:51, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Really, you know, I never thought of it that way. That's the value of good friends—they tell you things you don't know and probably never would've thought of knowing until they tell you. Sincerely—Clockery Fairfield (talk·.contribs) 05:58, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

From my talk page[edit]

Hi, Maury. Thanks a lot. It's very nice to get appreciation from fellow WS users — especially if the user's not so sure that they're doing much useful work here wink. Also, it's nice to know people and make friends here on WS, even if they don't know you in real life, because then they won't judge you based on any of your real-life behaviour and all that. All they'll judge you on is your attitude towards them on the 'source. And of course, on what you do. After all, no-one's going to be very nice to you if you vandalise their user page. :) Hope you don't mind me going on like this. Sincerely—Clockery Fairfield (talk) 15:24, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Matthew Fontaine Maury's "New Elements Geography"[edit]

Done, and thanks for the comments. Now the fun of fitting them into much wider pages than the original columns can start!--Laverock ( Talk ) 16:09, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

History of Philosophy[edit]

Maury, you must be a mind-reader. I was just coming here to ask you if you would mind validating that last page, and I find that you have already done it. Thank you. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 02:28, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Wikisource User Group[edit]

Wikisource, the free digital library is moving towards better implementation of book management, proofreading and uploading. All language communities are very important in Wikisource. We would like to propose a Wikisource User Group, which would be a loose, volunteer organization to facilitate outreach and foster technical development, join if you feel like helping out. This would also give a better way to share and improve the tools used in the local Wikisources. You are invited to join the mailing list 'wikisource-l' (English), the IRC channel #wikisource, the facebook page or the Wikisource twitter. As a part of the Google Summer of Code 2013, there are four projects related to Wikisource. To get the best results out of these projects, we would like your comments about them. The projects are listed at Wikisource across projects. You can find the midpoint report for developmental work done during the IEG on Wikisource here.

Global message delivery, 23:23, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

RIP Spitfire[edit]

Thanks Maury for your work on The Last Cruise of the Spitfire. A sad story in a way with the deliberate loss of a fine old ship. I'm interested to note in this book and the Rover Boys' one as well the different spellings for two nautical terms. I'm used to "bo'sun" and "fo'c'sle" rather than "boatswain" and "forecastle". When I see the words fully spelt out I find they jar, and I see that Wiktionary gives the pronunciations as if abbreviated. I was wondering if you had any idea why the difference in these two words? Beeswaxcandle (talk) 09:57, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

I learned the words in the Navy although I may have heard of them before that. If I just saw the words I wouldn't have known what a "fo'c'sle" was. It is the front of a ship and the rear is often called the "fantail" Many words are learned just by hearing and asking what it is such as bosun which is boatswain and that is a person. The difference is that one is for people (boatswain) and the other is the front (forecastle) of a ship. Most of my sea time was on a U. S. Destroyer where these are common terms. A "monkey's fist" is one of the more amusing terms. The USN likes to keep some of the old terms but we always spelled them correctly.--Maury

Thanks[edit]

…for this very illuminating edit summary. I knew that template existed, but was going to have to dig around to find it. Much appreciated! -Pete (talk) 19:39, 14 August 2013 (UTC)


Hi Maury, the score extension has been fixed so that longer snippets of music can be added to pages. I'll look after those for this work for you as you and Raul don't need to learn how to create scores on top of everything else.
Do you read music? If you don't, we can see if Clockery or AngelPrincess are available to help.

If you do, just let me know of any problems and I'll see what I can do to fix them. That will just leave the missing images to fix for this work and it'll be another ticked off your ever-growing list. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 03:29, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

"The History of Yachting" that goes back to England circa 1500s-1700s. "Treatise on Navigation" can just sit while I get some work done on the books already well underway. I can also type pages in as I have already done with 2 or 3 of them (Preface) yesterday.

"Face to Face With the Mexicans".djvu/535 still needs a "score" —Maury (talk) 15:27, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

DNB tools[edit]

You asked about these, back in January, on the DNB project's FAQ page. They have been migrated, and there is a dedicated page now, at Wikisource:WikiProject DNB/Tools. Charles Matthews (talk) 07:45, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Disappearance of shortcuts[edit]

Hi Maury, mine disappeared earlier today as well. I solved by going to Preferences/Gadgets and and turning on the second in the Editing Tools section "add a sidebar menu ..." Beeswaxcandle (talk) 08:53, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

That worked. Thanks Beeswaxcandle! —Maury (talk) 09:02, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Amended cleanup script[edit]

Hi Maury, thanks to Hesperian I've updated your and my cleanup scripts to cope with lines that start with : Beeswaxcandle (talk) 05:44, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Excellent! I had already corrected it Hesperian's 1st way from his reply. You can set the proper distance from the right side the way Hesperian showed me. —Maury (talk) 05:52, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

de nada[edit]

Hi Maury, I've put the audio for the whole song at the beginning of each song in the Page: namespace. This means that when looking at the transcluded Chapter XIX, the audio will (I hope) make sense. I've just got one to do, and it's being a nuisance. To work out how to fix it I will have to go much deeper in to the lilypond manual then I've yet been. Mind you, the next number to work on in Cox and Box (complete) is worse. I might go back to the Nursery Rhymes and Hymns after this. Best, Beeswaxcandle (talk) 07:18, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

Beezwaxcandle, by adding that old book's music you solidly brought the book, music, and me "to life"! That old book (I don't know how old the original music many be) work I have seen is now, after more than decades, are now exceptional! I am delighted to an extreme with that concept. I am familiar with voice and files this goes beyond any person reading Spanish words from a book or just seeing a music sheet--which I cannot do. I am now hearing music from long ago and far away from our past. How Glorious it all is!

(2nd) I am inspired to get back and work on my images once again. That book has 200 illustrations of very long ago. It can become one of best our books.

(3)As an aside I have had a fight with the New Zealand images in the New Zealand Flowers book but I am still working on it. No way could I upload all images due to a text layer needed. I decided not to trust my luck without that text layer. Situation now is removing all watermarks. The full book to download showed no page numbers during the process of downloading .pdf files. Their system also forced me to stop collecting often and required me to "wait five minutes" but I worked on what I had at those points. —Maury (talk) 07:43, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

A second set of eyes[edit]

Corn law Leaguge Book and other matters[edit]

Thanks, and I've read your comments.

  • Please note that this was an OCR cleanup effort and not a formal proofread pass as such.
  • The work uses British English, (as well as some archaic usages).
  • I've partially solved the issue of dotted tables. (See the book on the Confederacy you helped validate for an example) ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 21:52, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

djvu[edit]

To download the djvu copy from IA, click on the HTTPS link at the bottom of the left "View the book" box of of any book This will take you to the index page of possible downloadable formats. Download the desired format - rename it and upload it to WikiCommons. Then, create the Index page by the same name on WS.

DjVu Viewer[edit]

Is the DjVu program you're using LizardTech DjVu? If so it's now obselete, maybe you could try DjVuLibre Windows. I can't personally recommend it because I'm an iMac user (27" screen), and I hope you're not using Vista which is crap and what I used to have. It's also available for Mac and is what I'm using. The download page can be found at http://sourceforge.net/projects/djvu/files/ --kathleen wright5 (talk) 09:45, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

Apologize for butting in here. I do use DjvuLibre on Windows and it's very good to read but haven't used it yet to split and merge. For PDF, I use "PSAM" (which I think means PDF Split and Merge. — Ineuw talk 09:51, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

Thank you both.

New Zealand flower industry[edit]

The New Zealand flower industry is as old as the country's indigenous Maori population who cultivated native plants for medical and decorative purposes.

Native Flowers of NZ[edit]

Hi Maury, I'm not sure where in the process it's happened, but four of the plates have gone AWOL. Plates 11, 15, 26 and 33 are missing. Everything else is there and there are some nice images of some of my favourite plants. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 06:11, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Hello Beez, the plates aren't showing on archives.org? I'll look into this in a short while but I just awoke and want to a little bit of work on the other book on New Zealand. It too is an interesting book. I have had an ignorance about New Zealand (and many other places in the world) but I am slowly getting rid of some of it through websites and these books.—Maury (talk) 08:14, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Okay, I am starting to look over all plates. The first thing I notice is that the plates we have are not the high quality that I downloaded from HathTrust in .PDF files. It seems IA processing has caused each plate to have tiny ripples, background skidmarks, or whatever they are whereas the ones I have on my computer do not. I want to clean and upload each flower(plate) to Commons. From there I believe you can see the preferred images and I can also make sure all plates exist. This would have to be done for the book anyhow. I hope someone can insert them where the missing plates where are supposed to go. Since there are extra blank pages it seems they could be replaced with any missing plate. Please let me know if you want me to try something different. I am going to work on those flower image (plates) now.... —Maury (talk) 09:09, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Thought there was something odd like that going on as the images were not your usual style. For inserting the missing images into the djvu file, we'll need to ask Ineuw or George for help there. It's not something I know how to do. I'm for my bed, enjoy your day. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 09:49, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
Just to add my 2 cents, there were no other images in the original. But it's very possible that images are missing because of too may empty pages following one another. There should be no more than 3 between images and 2 between text.
I also mistakenly left RIOT image compressor in grayscale mode and this destroyed my work. Expect the color image replacements by late tomorrow EST.— Ineuw talk 10:00, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
I found the plates 11, 15, 26 and 33. What format do "y'all" want them in? (color PNG?, color .JPG) or grayscale for consistency? smiley Oh, I am just teasing you my friend, Ineuw. —Maury (talk) 11:56, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
I need to hold off until I see what Ineuw is going to do with the images. He has announced them in the book's discussion area and accidentally uploaded them in grayscale but also states he will be back with color images. Therefore, I must wait to see what he does then I will know if I need to upload the former missing images. I do not know if Ineuw has access to HathiTrust —Maury (talk) 12:58, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
The color replacements are also in .jpg format. Must use the same name and format as the original for a direct replacement. Otherwise it's a BIG mess. As for Hathi trust, I am no longer affiliated with any participating institution. So please upload the missing images. — Ineuw talk 16:34, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Yes check.svg DoneIneuw talk 18:24, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

I have e-mailed Ineuw the missing images of flowers so that he can name them and work with them as he has the others. He's right, it has been a "blooming" mess. Still, by all of us working together we can overcome problems. Such is the nature of all our editors on en.Wikisource. —Maury (talk) 22:32, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

It's proofread once, apart from the scoring which needs a specialist. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 20:41, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

Okay.—Maury (talk) 22:04, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

{{inset heading}}[edit]

Hello Maury.

No wonder you were having difficulties with this template! I had typed in a bit of documentation, but — Dopey Dora that I am — had inadvertently followed the wrong link and had placed it in the template-sandbox area instead of the documentation area. Needless to say you would not have seen any of it!

I think all is fixed up now again, and I hope the accursed thing is behaving itself nicely for you.

Regards, Viewer2 (talk) 01:00, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

note[edit]

A big thank you for validating Gitanjali -- right within 100 years of its winning the Nobel Prize. :D Thanks again. —Clockery Fairfeld (talk) 17:37, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

Use of <mark>[edit]

Hello Maury.

Please satisfy my curiosity. You have used this form of highlighting (e.g. here) in a few places, and I am uncertain whether you intended them (the <mark>s) to be left in place or removed before affected pages are finally validated? In short, are they intended to become a permanent part of the finished work, or are they just a convenience whilst actually doing proofreading?

I won't remove any until you let me know what your \scriptstyle{

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I hope this makes at least (a little bit of) sense. Regards, Viewer2 (talk) 01:10, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

Hi Viewer2,

convenience whilst actually doing proofreading. I did not know Raul had marked the one you show as validated until tonight. I intend to collect all bibliography and save that on my computer for further research and more books to seek out and work on. Yes, I am aware of the highlights. I marked them due to their importance. e.g. May 5th in one of the pages is marked. That is what Mexicans celebrate as "Cinco de Mayo" where the Mexicans beat off the French in one battle. When editing I marked them and moved on to more editing. My intent was to go back and do something with them after I was done proofreading and having everything validated. Specifically what I to do with those I had not decided because I wasn't done proofreading and validating. The one I marked about Cinco de Mayo has a very special interest to me. By 1865 Matthew Fontaine Maury, an ancestor, was there in Mexico under Maximilian as Imperial Commissioner of Immigration. French support was valuable to Maximilian as well as Napoleon. One battle, May 5th, was won and the Mexicans celebrate that to this day. Well, after that battle the French were back and Maximilian was placed on the throne of Mexico and soon Matthew Fontaine Maury was placed into his position to help former American Confederate families settle in Mexico at Carlotta and New Virginia colonies. So much for Cinco de Mayo (one battle).I also recall a mention of the greatness of Diaz. Well, without the United States backing Diaz plus on the border waiting to enter Mexico backing Diaz further then Diaz would never have become President of Mexico.

Too, the United States of America was on Napoleon's back to pull all French troops out of Mexico leaving Maximilian there with support. Max was warned and begged by others to pull out and he could have like a coward but he would not run away. These things I have mentioned the author of the book did NOT mention so I marked the areas with the intent of somehow covering these things I have written here. Again, I intended to do this after all proofreading and validation because I have two books underway and with illustrations I have been working on and will be uploading and placing tonight. I would prefer that the whole truth be known where the author chose to leave out what I have stated here. However, I don't know how I could do that except perhaps by a link to that covers what I have stated. Therefore, I have not gotten back to those areas due to being busy in other areas but you could bet your life safely that I have not forgotten those incidents. I know about Maximilian who never wanted that position in the first place and I know that area of history. The full history should be written without a chosen portion omitted by the author.

Please go ahead and remove the highlighted pages and place the pages here on my talk page. Thank you for helping Raul. He is a friend of mine for three years just working on Mexico books here on Wikisource.

Too, we have gone out of Wikisource to Chiapas (southern Mexico), below Mexico City where Raul lives) is helping a village of 1,100+ poor people and helped me help a family of four from here in Texas. So, we do know each other and we know each other very well. This is one of those unusual side-situations from en.ws to the outside real world of doing good for others far away. Even from Mexico City, Mexico Raul has to drive about 600 miles one way to get to Chiapas, Mexico, work, and drive back home to Mexico City.

Why do I write about him and add this extra material - because Raul is a wonderful person aided by a wonderful Canadian wife and his good deeds should be known.

Look him up on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/pages/Recuperacion-de-la-Cultura-Chol/539381516126364?id=539381516126364&sk=photos_stream, it is open to the real world. He is retired and gets no pay for his good deeds. I too am retired. Most Respectfully, —Maury (talk) 04:47, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

Thank you very much for all of the explanation and background.

Raul (I assume that is User:Gumr51?) must have validated the page I asked about whilst I was composing the question to you. I had done a little bit of trivial formatting (the usual tweaks one does whilst validating) but thought that until the <mark> issue was properly settled I would not tagged the page as "validated."

Well, it is all academic now! In future if something similar crops up I shall simply proceed with the validation and leave the mark—on the assumption you will remove them when you get back to whatever matter they are a reminder for. Is that O.K.?

I am about to give up for today. Regards, Viewer2 (talk) 05:32, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

I thank you for all of your help. Only good people help others in need. Raul sometimes uses User:Gumr51 since he is stuck with it when editing but he also uses his real name (See talk page of EncycloPetey) where "Raul Gutierrez" asked for help as I suggested to him in email. Apparently he started here on en.ws with an alias and at some point started using his real name as I do. Once his work is complete I will remove all highlighted text. The area you pointed to is a bibliography page and I collect those for seeking future works to be done as well as cross-referencing. Yes, O.K. The marked pages are pages that I do not consider as validated either but this book was very interesting to me in those areas I have explained above. I marked and continued onward. I'll try to figure a better way and avoid mark. I did not know it would cause any problem since I know what they are for - to go back to. Respectfully, —Maury (talk) 05:50, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
Please do not vary your practices on my behalf. I had not encountered <mark> before (you are the only one using it that I am so far aware of) and so it intrigued me. This incident merely gave me an excuse to ask properly, and now I know a little more about your system I am sure the risk of accidental conflict is greatly reduced. Please have a Happy Christmas. Viewer2 (talk) 08:11, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

Sad story of a devoted wife[edit]

Its got to be the saddest thing you’ll ever read. I saw the opera years ago and had forgotten how tragic it was. Moondyne (talk) 02:24, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

Hi[edit]

Merry Christmas Maury. Hesperian 00:15, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

Cool! Thank you for remembering me, Hesperian. —Maury (talk) 00:26, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

Merry Christmas from me too! Best wishes for 2014. Solomon7968 (talk) 08:07, 25 December 2013 (UTC)
Merry Christmas to you & your lady, Maury—Hywel Dda (talk) 12:54, 25 December 2013 (UTC)
A belated Merry Christmas from my side, too + a very Happy New Year! —Clockery Fairfeld (talk) 12:17, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

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Thanks[edit]

Thank you for informing me about the statement on the talk-page of "Weather facts etc.". I believe I don't quite agree with the position, but of course I will act in accordance with the statement! Greetings, Dick Bos (talk) 17:50, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

I too encountered that situation. Kind regards, —Maury (talk) 17:54, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

I am back![edit]

Hello Maury! I am finally back on Wikisource. These past years have been CRAZY for me: a new teaching job, as well as raising my two kids (ages 8 and 2).

As I am sure you will ask, I was brought back to here because of my niece, who briefly inhabited this site as User:Mackenziemrk. She is long-gone (as any teenager would with this kind of "work") but talked to me over Christmas and encouraged me to go back on here.

I am willing to help you with anything - as always, I cannot dedicate an entire day(s) on this, but can do a good amount of work. I left SO much on the table when I left that I eventually will dig through it and find the gold pieces to work on. - Tannertsf (talk) 18:29, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

Spoke too soon before[edit]

Turns out I could find something in your .js file that no longer applies (I hope). Awhile back, there was a patch to disable/cripple the wheelzoom of images in the Page: namespace. That whole thing works by using + or - buttons now primarily and, if you're lucky, by mouse-wheel after the fact. Either way, you didn't need that line in there any more so I took the liberty of removing it. I also removed some redundant blank spaces pading simple line returns for no good reason.

These were rather minor in scope & shouldn't be any problem moving forward but if there is - just let me know asap and I'll "undo" the changes. -- George Orwell III (talk) 17:35, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

Ben Franklin's Pirate Fleet[edit]

Source:National Geographic

http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/channel/videos/ben-franklins-pirate-fleet/

  • National Geographic Video

Ben Franklin's Pirate Fleet -- purpose to capture English and exchange man for man to get Americans out of British Dungeons. -- seek books &c.

Mention of Commander Sigsbee's book[edit]

Page:Popular Science Monthly Volume 18.djvu/146#D146-3

Deep-Sea Sounding and Dredging. A Description and Discussion of the Methods and Appliances used on board the Coast and Geodetic Survey Steamer Blake. By Charles D. Sigsbee, Lieutenant-Commander U. S. Navy. Washington: Government Printing-Office. 1880. Pp. 208.

Author: https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Author:Charles_Dwight_Sigsbee

Mexico by Joseph Wharton[edit]

Hi. I transcluded the book but you should float the text in the center using {{float-center}}, as I've done on the first page as an example. Otherwise it doesn't look very good. Also, check out the layout of the first double image page.— Ineuw talk 03:16, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Just to explain my recent reversion of Author:Joseph Wharton, I'm pretty sure Joseph Wharton is the right author. I initially only added the link because the header of Mexico pointed to that author page. Following your edit, I looked into it: all the information source, from Internet Archive to VIAF, point to the same author for the poem Mexico. However, I found a better source on Google Books: Joseph Wharton: Quaker Industrial Pioneer (1987) actually states outright that he wrote the poem (last paragraph on the linked page). If I have missed something, I'm happy to revert my reversion but it looks like the right person to me. - AdamBMorgan (talk) 01:27, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
I don't understand the problem; the dates all match. (I have to go right now, so I'll come back to this tomorrow.) - AdamBMorgan (talk) 01:31, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
Joseph Wharton the industrialist was the author of Mexico. Please check it out at the MOST authoritative source there is US Library of Congress.— Ineuw talk 02:04, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
I was convinced, which should be obvious, that there were two men with the first and last name but with different birth and death dates. Briefly looking into my Watchlist and seeing Adam "merging" alerted me and I was in great haste to get back to something in the real world which is why I posted in caps without pausing. Therefore, I tried to "correct" what I thought was erroneous. I no longer have any idea as to where I saw any other date since it was a while back and I have been working on other things. I have looked over the statements above and any change is fine with me. BTW, there is no mention of the man's book on Mexico on Wikipedia. My sincere apologies and the book remains completed. —Maury (talk) 03:17, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Uploaded the .djvu test page[edit]

Unfortunately the frame is still there. File:Maury_test_2.djvuIneuw talk 20:17, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

You typically can't crop what appears to be excess whitespace in a PDF if some [hidden] object is "mapped" somewhere in that same space you're trying to eliminate. HathiTrust are dicks on purpose when it comes to this because they "map" the text-layer to the left margin then HIDES IT from normal display. Please See File:MauryTest3.png
Note the text[-layer] highlighted in the left pane under "Content" view (the view that shows Object Content) is micro-stored in the blue-rectangle residing in the left margin as seen in the normal [right] pane. Ideally, the text-layer would still be hidden but stored directly under the scanned content - word for word; line for line - not in any margin as HathiTrust does.
This way, HT forces you strip the watermark, the visible metadata it adds upon download AND the text-layer just so you have a 50-50 shot at properly trimming the excess whitespace. This makes for a lot of work. -- George Orwell III (talk) 01:29, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
I suspect that the reason for downloading this copy as a PDF is to extract the images as well from the same file. The PDF format exists on IA as well since they generate all formats, but the images will never be as high a quality as .JP2. Also, Hathi trust gets most of their material from IA.— Ineuw talk 02:24, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
While I agree with your advice about utilizing IA before undertaking all this manual HT editing, the other assertions are somewhat conflated.

HathiTrust works with formal Libraries and Google because they share the same project funding - IA is not a source for HT at all (if anything, the opposite is true - IA scrapes material from HT).

And a fully "modified" PDF from HT will almost always produce superior JP2 images compared to the slap-dash University or GoogleBook scans uploaded to IA because HT improves upon the quality and completeness of material provided to them prior to making the work available on their site. Unfortunately once a "rare" work is hosted on HT, sister copies of that work in the public domain are frequently withdrawn by GoogleBooks et al. at the same time (forcing us into 1 page per download situation at best in those cases).

If we should be spending money on anything -it should be making all that needed HT/pdf modification automated somehow. -- George Orwell III (talk) 02:47, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

I wonder if George's idea immediately above (HT/pdf modification automated) is possible. —Maury (talk) 03:03, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
It is possible (I've seen similar stuff done) just not practical unless the User: owns a copy of Acrobat (or similar) at the same time. The reality is most PDF manipulation software is not "freeware" and not many folks who are fluent in scripting under said software are not the volunteer type. Still, I wish I could run a script and have all that junk done for me <sigh>. -- George Orwell III (talk) 03:22, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
  • Thank you both. George, I thank you for that highly detailed explanation. I don't know why Hathi DIS-Trust would offer the files for free and yet do as they do.
    (Pouring fuel upon a bonfire…)Well HathiTrust clearly haven't figured out co-operation between parties in disparate geographies… (Pre-emptive apologies as appropriate: if you feel insulted by this you happen to be by definition not one of those persons for whom this comment is intended!) Typical *** North-Central-American attitude! AuFCL (talk) 04:31, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Ineuw, I haven't tried to use a file like that. I have already been using files on Mexico the way you are suggesting. Our conversation on the phone today was just about the *possibility* of removing that "frame" from HT books and the ramifications of removing it, or so that is what I was thinking. Another option is to get a desired book from the library or from a library loan of another library if not a local library and scan it then share it with everyone via IA. I have done this. I don't use .pdf I use .djvu and am about to upload one soon. Too, don't be concerned about "butting in". If something needs to be stated then it needs to be stated. That's just working together to solve problems. My humble respects to both of you wizards of WikiSource. —Maury (talk) 02:38, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

It's wizard and the lowly apprentice. Very surprised that HT supplies IA, as I was sure that it's the opposite (Please look at the watermark of the book in discussion). I must check on that although it's not promising because "my sources" in San Francisco are not that forthcoming - They are more realistic about the relationships between Google and non-profits. I also apologize for my assumption about the use of the .PDF. Oh well, live and learn.— Ineuw talk 03:16, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
Mmmm - watermark noted. Still, the source closest to the original scans is the U. of V. so I don't see how the funding relationship has changed. Of course, things might have changed since my last lesson on all this. Thanks. -- George Orwell III (talk) 03:27, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Those 2 tests do not matter. From HathiTrust all I have to do is remove extra border information and watermarks and use a .PDF or all of the pages as .jpgs saved into a .pdf for a complete book that can be placed on IA to have a djvu file derived. I have done this on three books now on that are presently en.ws as my own 3 different types of tests. —Maury (talk) 02:09, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Comic History of England[edit]

Hi Maury, I've transcluded most of this book. (Looks fun and I've just put it on my shortlist to read soon.) However I'm not sure what to do with the Appendix. Do you have a vision of how it should look in the Mainspace? Beeswaxcandle (talk) 08:50, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Beeswaxcandle, I saw what you were doing and when you were doing it so I must say that I was and I remain a bit stunned at the quality and speed of your work! I have never seen that until tonight/this morning. The Appendix was just a few words, a spoof on the readers. I have no idea at this point as to how it should look but since it was a comment on the last work of a famous author I do think it should exist in some form. If you can think of an idea feel free to do whatever you think is best. Thank you for polishing this book - it is a gem of illustrations and puns in historical literature. —Maury (talk) 09:00, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

NB: The Appendix itself is page 195 ( djvu/199) The editors who completed Nye's book just added Nye's last illustrations at the end of Nye's book —Maury (talk) 09:16, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

I was seeing the images as a part of the Appendix rather than just the single page of text. I've done a transclusion of them all. See what you think. It will probably need tweaking, but that may need to happen in the Page: namespace. Have fun, Beeswaxcandle (talk) 19:08, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
Ah ha! Brilliant thinking! —Maury (talk) 19:15, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Re:Salvation Army[edit]

Yes, very interesting and here's something you might like to look at Category:The Salvation Army. Please note Articles of War—now known as The Soldiers Covenant—only applies to soldiers of the Army (as it's known by members) not Adherents. [Kathleen.wright5]

Speed validating[edit]

Please stop speed-validating. You are making errors. ResScholar (talk) 19:54, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

ResidentScholar, show me those "errors" so that I can believe you and correct those errors of my way. In any case I will not "speed-validate" again. In fact, I may simply stop validating even for friendly people who appreciate what they can change if there are errors. —Maury (talk) 11:53, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Annotations in the "Index talk" namespace[edit]

Hi Maury, I just read your email. I do not think the "Index talk" namespace is appropriate for annotations. What I suggest is a "Show/Hide annotations" button in the main namespace, and annotations placed beside the text itself. You can also comment here.--Erasmo Barresi (talk) 12:19, 24 July 2014 (UTC)