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Again, welcome! —Beleg Tâl (talk) 13:09, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

Kashmir national anthem[edit]

@Beleg Tâl: I did not realize unrecognized states etc. were also listed on the page. Even then there is no source that states that the anthem of Azad Kashmir is the anthem of Greater Kashmir/Kashmir. The same user who had made the edits here changed to mention Greater Kashmir on Simple English. So, please look into this.

I would also like to appeal a block here (as I am unable edit any other page) by @EncycloPetey: of which neither I was warned nor notified, it was never my intention to edit war. Gotitbro (talk) 18:23, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
You are appealing on what grounds? You did edit war, you didn't check the contents or history of the pages you were changing, you reverted an admin who was trying to offer a solution, and in doing so you mansplained to the admin how things were done here. The fact that you weren't warned is irrelevant; Wikisource is a small community and we've already wasted more time on this than it deserves. --EncycloPetey (talk) 18:27, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
@EncycloPetey: I did not know Beleg was an admin. I thought WS follows the same rules as WP and did not think I was breaking any. I had no intention of edit warring [only two edits without knowing the user was an admin] and do not intend to make any further such edits. I know its a small community and want to contribute positively if this is my first transgression shouldn’t I at least be given some respite? Gotitbro (talk) 18:36, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
I don't know anything about "Watan Hamara Azad Kashmir". It was listed as the national anthem of Kashmir on Portal:National anthems in 2011, by an anonymous editor whose edits were reasonable and valuable. If the information on Simple English Wikipedia was incorrect, I thank you for improving that article, and I will remove that claim from Portal:National anthems as well.
The inclusion of national anthems of unrecognized states is discussed at Portal talk:National anthems#National anthems of non-sovereign states. I would not expect you to have noticed that discussion before removing the Kashmir entry from the portal. However, after I restored the content that you mistakenly removed, you doubled down and undid my correction. Even if I were not an admin, double reversion is pretty much textbook edit warring and such behaviour on English Wikisource typically results in an unannounced temporary block. If you had disagreed with my initial reversion, you could instead have posted on the portal talk page or on my user talk page in order to come to a resolution.
Your block was only for a single day. However, as a show of good faith, I have unblocked your account early as requested. Remember that Wikisource is not Wikipedia and keep an attitude of discussion before deletion, and I trust that you will be a great asset to our little project. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 19:10, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
@Beleg Tâl: Thank you for understanding, I will make sure read the linked guidelines and make sure that I do not further make any such mistakes.
Can this "and considered to be the anthem of the greater Kashmir region" be removed from the page in light of what I’ve said above? I would also like to mention that File:Kashmir independent.svg flag might be problematic to use for the complete Kashmir region as it belongs to single political party, it is probably better to not display a flag. Gotitbro (talk) 19:19, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
I have already removed the claim regarding the greater Kashmir region. Using no flag may be a better solution than any particular flag. I'll see if other projects have precedent for using {{flagicon}} with no specified flag, in order to preserve the visual continuity of the portal. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 19:24, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
What if we simply moved the section "Kashmir" to "Azad Kashmir"? That's the entity whose anthem is listed in the portal, after all. Is it correct to list it as "Kashmir, Azad" to preserve the order? —Beleg Tâl (talk) 19:27, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
For a null flag, take your pick: commons:Category:SVG flags of missingBeleg Tâl (talk) 19:36, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

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@Beleg Tâl: Moving the section to Azad Kashmir would indicate it as a separate territory the current section seems fine. But it probably shouldn’t mention/link Azad Kashmir separately, just linking to the involved countries China, India, Pakistan (which includes Azad Kashmir anthem) directly under the section seems correct. File:Blank flag.svg should be the choice if a flag is going to be used but I would still say no flag is best option here. Gotitbro (talk) 20:27, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

I think the current version, linking China/India/Pakistan for Kashmir in general, and Pakistan for Azad Kashmir in particular, is best. This is because Azad Kashmir is a specifically Kashmir-related entity, and its anthem is the only reason Kashmir is on the list at all. People looking at the Kashmir section should see that there exists a Kashmir-specific anthem, but since it's under Pakistan they should look there. It's the same structure used elsewhere in that portal. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 20:35, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
I see, I was stating the above for neutrality but the structure should be followed I guess. Gotitbro (talk) 20:40, 21 February 2019 (UTC)