User talk:Ro4444

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Again, welcome! — billinghurst sDrewth 13:43, 14 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

A Compilation of ...[edit]

Hi. I have renamed this work to Index:A Compilation of the Messages and Papers of the Confederacy, Including the Diplomatic Correspondence, 1861-1865, Volume I.djvu to avoid the double dot in the title. You can find the work at the new link above. Bye--Mpaa (talk) 23:47, 28 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! I noticed the double dot almost immediately after I created it, but wasn't sure if it could be renamed without the proofreading work being lost. Now I know, thanks for making the change. Ro4444 (talk) 23:52, 28 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
You're welcome. When in doubt, feel free to ask at Wikisource:Scriptorium or Wikisource:Scriptorium#Help. It is less effort to fix something at an early stage.--Mpaa (talk) 23:58, 28 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Transclusion[edit]

Hi again. I think this should be transcluded as a single work and this kind of pages Jefferson_Davis'_Message_to_the_Fourth_Session_of_the_First_Confederate_Congress should be converted to redirects to the subpages of the work. @Hesperian: we might need some others' opinion as well.--Mpaa (talk) 09:52, 4 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Ro4444, welcome aboard. Yes, we generally transclude each published work as a single work. If the work contains a 'subwork', then we create redirects for the subwork title. See for example Magna Carta. Hesperian 10:51, 4 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Mpaa and Hesperian: I wasn't aware of said policy, thanks for letting me know. There are actually several similar pages that fall under the same criteria (listed under Author:Jefferson Davis#Speeches); I assume these should be treated as well?
I do have two questions/issues on the subject. The single work doesn't separate out these Messages to Congress as separate "chapters," but lumps them together with a number of other messages by Davis. So when transcluding the full work, the pages with the Messages would have additional text from the work in them (in some cases, a lot of additional text). I could break out the Messages as separate chapters, but that wouldn't be maintaining fidelity to the page breaks in the original work. Is there a particular rule in how to handle these things?
The other question is that the original work employs an irregular pattern of "chapter" breaks; for example Section A and Section B may be separate "chapters" separated by a page break, but Section C and Section D may be lumped together, with no breaks other than a paragraph space separating them. If we were to be fully adherent to the actual page breaks in the work, the transcluded chapter pages would have no consistency in them. And on top of that, the "chapters" would be exceedingly long - upwards of 200 pages in one case. Is it more reasonable to divide the work into regular, consistent chapters as listed by the table of contents, or is it more important to stick with the page breaks in the work?
Thanks again for your help, Ro4444 (talk) 20:14, 4 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Here are some links on transclusion (Help:Beginner's_guide_to_transclusion and Help:Transclusion, where it is explained how to transclude a "section" of a page (useful to divide a page in parts for transclusion in different pages).
For the question on how to best divide the text in chapters, my advice is 1) faithful to the original, 2) with a simple structure (one subpage, max two in special cases).--Mpaa (talk) 22:04, 4 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Heh. I thought I was giving a newby some guidance at "Wikisource 101" level. Alas, your interspersed-text problem is at "PhD (Wikisource)" level. In situations like this, by all means seek input/advice from your fellow Wikisourcerors, but ultimately there are no wrong answers, so feel free to do what seems right to you. My personal view: the entire work as published remains primary, so regardless of how you handle individual speeches there needs to be a chapter subpage that transcludes out the whole chapter, as published, interspersed text and all. As to how you handle individual speeches, you can either embed anchors in the text and create redirects to those anchor points, thus leaving it to the reader to "read around" the interspersed text; or you can use section tags to mark off the speeches, and create a separate transclusion for each speech. Hesperian 00:18, 5 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Hah, I like to throw curveballs like that. Thanks for your replies, the guidance helps. The work will likely be ready for validation and transclusion later this week; I'll try to do the best I can with it, and leave it up to the general community to judge it and correct anything they find lacking. Ro4444 (talk) 02:58, 5 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Two Addresses from the Governour, Council and Convention of the Massachusets Colony[edit]

You have probably seen that I have been in and reorganised this work. The reorgn. allows the scans to be directly linked and validated, and the pieces of the work to be more neatly aligned with their contributors. I have put the overarching work into Wikidata, though there is scope there to link the individual pieces as each is their own item prior to the single publishing of the work, as each was its own parent event. Let me know if there are any issues. — billinghurst sDrewth 09:23, 8 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Great! I didn't know how to correctly import multiple files from the commons as one work, and eventually gave up trying. Now I know for future reference. Thanks for reorganizing and correcting everything. Ro4444 (talk) 18:31, 8 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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