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TO DO — DNB footer initials[edit]

Support request with team editing experiment project[edit]

Dear tech ambassadors, instead of spamming the Village Pump of each Wikipedia about my tiny project proposal for researching team editing (see here:, I have decided to leave to your own discretion if the matter is relevant enough to inform a wider audience already. I would appreciate if you could appraise if the Wikipedia community you are more familiar with could have interest in testing group editing "on their own grounds" and with their own guidance. In a nutshell: it consists in editing pages as a group instead of as an individual. This social experiment might involve redefining some aspects of the workflow we are all used to, with the hope of creating a more friendly and collaborative environment since editing under a group umbrella creates less social exposure than traditional "individual editing". I send you this message also as a proof that the Inspire Campaign is already gearing up. As said I would appreciate of *you* just a comment on the talk page/endorsement of my project noting your general perception about the idea. Nothing else. Your contribution helps to shape the future! (which I hope it will be very bright, with colors, and Wikipedia everywhere) Regards from User:Micru on meta.

Bots are not capable of proofreading[edit]

Hi Billinghurst, Although I was optimistically assuming that my activities as described at Wikisource:Administrators'_noticeboard#Bots_are_not_capable_of_proofreading do not rise to the level of administrative sanction, it just occurred to me that you might merely be waiting for me to respond on your talk page (as opposed to my bot's talk page). Anyhow, I assume if it was a big deal I would have heard something by now, so I'll assume that it's a small deal, fixable with minor sanctions and/or rework, as specified by yourself and others. I would like to resume work on the project with user Maury, and will do so on a "go slow" basis for the next couple of days just in case you're on a summer holiday or have one coming up that you're getting ready for. Anyhow, sorry if I've made any significant amount of extra work for you, I'm optimistic that with a little more fine-tuning my bot could be ready by the end of 2015 to make useful contributions to the project beyond the Southern Historical Society Papers (that particular series is not my passion, but I found a friendly and helpful collaborator in Maury, who would like to see the series completed, and I agreed to do what I could to further that goal in return for his advice on formatting and his help in validating the SHSP series pages). If you'd like to discuss any problems with my approach further, feel free to take that back to the noticeboard or my talk page. Questions about what I'm trying to get the bot to do are welcome on my talk page, and if there is a flag that needs to be set on my bot id, just let me know what I need to request and I'll do it (I believe the lack of a flag or the bot's name on a list may be one source of confusion). Until then, I'll assume that "no news means no sanctions" and continue my work with Maury, with a bit more caution. Thanks for any advice and sorry for any confusion I've created. Dictioneer (talk) 00:10, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

@Dictioneer: Your page was specific, WS:AN was philosophical. We discuss slowly here, so while still an open discussion I think that the summarisation would be
  1. If you are manually reviewing each bot edit, then you can change the proofread status
  2. If you are not manually reviewing, then do the text edits, and not change the status
All other components the community can discuss through the bot approval process as dictated on Wikisource:Bots. Among other work on-wiki, I haven't been able to give it more time, and my hope that someone else may stand up and take ownership of this was not fulfilled. — billinghurst sDrewth 02:46, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
Thank you for the clarification. I will add that while the discussion is ongoing, I will only change to proofread status under my dictioneer persona. I do have a review process for bot edits before uploading, but it is probably not up to the standard you suggest (the bot in certain circumstances will display a review list of 'similar' edits that are in doubt in a window that allows for cancelling/correcting the edits before they're applied en masse). Until the discussion has reached its logical conclusion, I'll play it safe. BTW, have I mentioned that "go slow" is good as far as I'm concerned? You folks are a good deal less reactive than over at WP, that's one of the reasons I like it here. I'll keep an eye on the philosophical discussion, and thanks again, Dictioneer (talk) 03:50, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
There is a mistaken idea above. I do not care _for me_ to do the SHSP volumes. I stopped that long ago. The only help I gave was the basics of editing which I would have done on any single book or multiple volumes and I would probably still be making mistakes. AdamMorgan set up the volumes. I stepped in to help get them underway. I have done these volumes long ago, for a company, and sold the CDs. I have no desire to do them all over again. Dictioneer, I stepped in again validating for you because you asked for assistance. Your desire was about a "bot" and unusual words as I recall. You chose the SHSP volumes to do starting with a high numbered volume which wasn't what I would have chosen even if I had wanted to work on the SHSP volumes. I wanted the .pdf files placed on Wikisource because of their historical significance and that is all I ever wanted. I got caught up in working on them several times by others especially user: Hydel Dyl (sp?) asking me. I prefer the SHSPbot, wrongly named for other works, to work on the 9 volumes of the History of England vols.1-9 by author:John Cassell (& company). I love doing the illustrations in those volumes. The SHSP volumes have been a pain in several ways and for a long time for me. I just tried to help because I was asked to. I like helping and being helped -- the concept of "working together". I do not care about total 52 SHSP vols. other than they are in PD and others should know this nation's history and terrible in-fighting. Most people here do not care about working on the SHSP volumes about the American Civil War aka War Between the States". (N.B. Billinghurst, my name is not WM nor WMM.) Follow my signature - please. —Maury (talk) 17:18, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
[User:Hywel Dda] is the name that I was trying to recall above who was doing a lot of work on the SHSP including tables and he conversed with AdamBMorgan, Me, and others about some of it. —Maury (talk) 18:04, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

Author identity[edit]

Wondering if you might be able to confirm whether "Evan Morgan" (2nd Lt., Welsh Guards) of the Soldier poets is the same fellow as w:Evan Morgan, 2nd Viscount Tredegar. Thanks, Londonjackbooks (talk) 19:53, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

Yes, it is the same person. Looking at the British Army WWI Medal Rolls Index Cards, 1914-1920 shows Morgan, (The Hon.) Evan Frederick, Welsh Guards, Lieut. ...billinghurst sDrewth 15:04, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
Thanks much! Londonjackbooks (talk) 15:34, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Another fellow in question: "Collin Brooks, Sergeant, M.G.C." from More songs... same as w:Collin Brooks? Thanks ahead... Londonjackbooks (talk) 10:46, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

I reckon that I can confirm that one without looking further. MGC = Machine Gun Corps. I see the Victory Medal application in 1925 for W. Collin Brooks Lieut. So yes, confirmed. — billinghurst sDrewth 11:39, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. Should I create an author page for "W. Collin Brooks" or "Collin Brooks"? Londonjackbooks (talk) 13:54, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
NVM... I see it is William Collin Brooks... Londonjackbooks (talk) 14:00, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

Wrapping scripts in <source>[edit]

Hi Billinghurst. I saw you wrapped a few scripts in <source>, probably to keep them out of categories. However this breaks tracking code like [[File:Pathoschild/templatescript.js]], which means the page will no longer be tracked and updated. Please consider wrapping individual sections with <nowiki> instead (excluding script headers so the trackers still work). The approach I've been taking is moving all the custom scripts for TemplateScript into the closure, and wrapping that with <nowiki> (see example). —Pathoschild 21:51, 06 September 2015 (UTC)

Okay and thanks. It is more than the categories, but that is definitely one aspect. I have stopped and restarted the source tag to allow the image tracking hack to work. Pity that there isn't a better way. — billinghurst sDrewth 00:15, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

Works by Author:Jibanananda Das[edit]

Can you please review these? I did not go for proposed deletions because I am not totally sure. The originals are PD-India but not PD-US (published after 1923, author died in 1954). The work Fire Air Water seems to have been added by the translator. Translator not specified for other works, but added here by an admin of bn Wikipedia. The work Banalata Sen (Poem) was translated by the original author, judging from 1st line comparisons of different translations given in the corresponding Wikipedia article, accordingly PD-India. Seems to me that the works are suitable for Wikilivres. Regards, Hrishikes (talk) 05:19, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

@Hrishikes: The appropriate forum for the discussion is WS:CV and it doesn't need to be framed as a deletion discussion. The collective mind is better in such a case. — billinghurst sDrewth 00:05, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

Tech News: 2015-37[edit]

17:29, 7 September 2015 (UTC)


I've converted the red bracketed portions to annotations in references, I can revert if needed, but wanted a second opinion.ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 08:04, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

Table end?[edit]

I am sure I shall regret raising this but with respect to this and this "proposed" (now finalised) deletion were you aware of all these templates linking to "table end" alone?

May I ask what are your plans from this point on? The regressive approach would be to restore the deletion; the progressive to start healing the damage. If you intend automating this I shall stay clear but if you want another party to help hunt this junk down I am offering... (providing someone hasn't protected every-bloody-thing of course!) AuFCL (talk) 08:21, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

Scratch above. It appears ShakespeareFan00 has been addressing this at the same time as I was writing up the above. Now a non-issue. AuFCL (talk) 08:40, 8 September 2015 (UTC)


Hi Billinghurst, I appreciated your opinions into Col - Colgroup tag discussion into Phabricator, and browsing here and there I found here many interesting templates. If you like, take a look to mul:Template:Cs, imported from it.source, it calls a simple Lua module that parses characters of a single parameter, so that {{Cs|brCM}} is expanded into "for this cell, put borders on bottom and right sides, and center the text both horizontally (C) and vertically (M)", the full set of parsed characters being "123btlrCMRLTB"; this saved my life dealing with very complex tables.... even if I'd like a loto to have COL tags unfiltered. --Alex brollo (talk) 14:49, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

PS: I posted this message into mul.source.... then I moved it here. --Alex brollo (talk) 16:07, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
Unluckily, I found that there are severe limitations in cell styling by col tags. I didn't realize those limitations before, nor I realized that the same limitations affect "faux tables". There's no alternative to cell-by-cell styling, dealing with columns styling, "border" being the unique property that can be used; nothing to do when text-align and vertical-align are needed (a very common need). --Alex brollo (talk) 08:10, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Tech News: 2015-38[edit]

16:17, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

6.34 Wikisource:Scriptorium[edit]

Billinghurst, I am stuck in one area (as stated and shown) in Wikisource:Scriptorium 6.34 Please help me to get out of there. I got here only because you posted something in Wikisource Scriptorium —Maury (talk) 03:43, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

I have answered your post at Wikisource:Scriptorium/Help, though there is not much clarity to your request. — billinghurst sDrewth 13:07, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Add source details to new poems[edit]

Billinghurst, thanks for the heads-up re need to list the text source in the discussion pages. I've added the relevant details to "After Many Years" and will get the others up to scratch over the coming days. Perry Middlemiss (talk) 04:34, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Tech News: 2015-39[edit]

18:29, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Note to self[edit]

Work to be done to get rid of this mockery

and to turn it into the showcase that it should be. — billinghurst sDrewth 00:33, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

Flood flag[edit]

So this flood flag - not having used it before, I am guessing I turn it on by managing my user rights and checking "bot user" - is this right? BD2412 T 01:07, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

@BD2412: Yep. — billinghurst sDrewth 01:42, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
Good. Thanks! BD2412 T 01:56, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

Cron mails[edit]

Hi. Are you also getting mails from Cron for Is it possible to disable it on a user basis? I am getting a new mail every 15 min. It is quite annoying ... :-( --Mpaa (talk) 19:28, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

@Mpaa: Yep, sorry about that, I forgot that would happen, as it doesn't for the other cronjobs. I resolved it (quick and dirty), earlier today, and will fix it up in a different way when I am not operating off my phone. — billinghurst sDrewth 05:43, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

Tech News: 2015-40[edit]

15:15, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Converting cl-act-paragraph (and related to Lua)[edit]

It would be appreciated if you could recomend someone to convert cl-act-paragraph and dependencies to Lua.

This is because currently the template has reached a level of complexity that makes it harder to maintain, or amend as required. Converting this to a more readable format would be advantegous.

I would also make similar comments about the Statute table series, which are also rather complex.ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 12:01, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

I know not. You might be better seeing if you can poach someone from enwiki or commons. — billinghurst sDrewth 14:39, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

Sig changes by bot[edit]

Was this edit done correctly? It looks odd to me. The result leaves red links for both the user and talk pages, but that might have been intended. --EncycloPetey (talk) 14:09, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

The sig file needing updating to take into account the username move. Fixed. — billinghurst sDrewth 14:18, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

Thank you very much for the warm welcome to Wikisource :)[edit]

Elad189 (talk) 21:32, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

Tech News: 2015-41[edit]

18:32, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

Pope Francis's Address to a Joint Session of Congress[edit]

The Pope Francis's Address to a Joint Session of Congress is in the Public Domain because it is a work of the Federal Government. See[53]. -- Kendrick7 (talk) 03:36, 7 October 2015 (UTC)