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Support request with team editing experiment project[edit]

Dear tech ambassadors, instead of spamming the Village Pump of each Wikipedia about my tiny project proposal for researching team editing (see here:, I have decided to leave to your own discretion if the matter is relevant enough to inform a wider audience already. I would appreciate if you could appraise if the Wikipedia community you are more familiar with could have interest in testing group editing "on their own grounds" and with their own guidance. In a nutshell: it consists in editing pages as a group instead of as an individual. This social experiment might involve redefining some aspects of the workflow we are all used to, with the hope of creating a more friendly and collaborative environment since editing under a group umbrella creates less social exposure than traditional "individual editing". I send you this message also as a proof that the Inspire Campaign is already gearing up. As said I would appreciate of *you* just a comment on the talk page/endorsement of my project noting your general perception about the idea. Nothing else. Your contribution helps to shape the future! (which I hope it will be very bright, with colors, and Wikipedia everywhere) Regards from User:Micru on meta.

Tech News: 2015-51[edit]

17:42, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

Double redirects[edit]

Hello, regarding this edit, would you not prefer automating this thankless task? I operate my bot dealing with double redirects on practically every wiki. There are a few exceptions and this wiki is one of them. My last request was denied by an admin who wanted to fix double redirects manually. -- A Certain White Cat chi? 19:15, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

Are you actively ignoring this? A simple response is all I ask. -- A Certain White Cat chi? 00:36, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
I presumed it was a rhetorical question. If you have asked at the community and the community did not accept your offer, I am not sure what more you want me to say or to do. Not my decision in any sense of the matter. — billinghurst sDrewth 00:41, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
I am not in the habit of asking rhetorical questions on peoples talk pages. I have not done so once to date. If you think the issue is worth exploring, the request can be renewed. As you may recall, I work on this task (double redirects) on about 700 wikis. I do not want to bring this issue tot he community "until I get my way" though. I merely noticed automation in dealing with the issue, in the past it was purely manual. If my help is unneeded, I certainly do not want to trouble the community. -- A Certain White Cat chi? 04:47, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
There are so few, and it is unimportant to me as an issue to get automated. — billinghurst sDrewth 05:19, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
As you wish. I will keep this wiki among the 4 I do not work on. Sorry for the trouble. -- A Certain White Cat chi? 12:51, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
That is a weird response, please don't push guilt or anything that I have done as inhibiting you. You are welcome to pursue it if it is important to you. I personally I just don't see it as an issue at this wiki, and I am entitled to my thoughts and focusing my limited time on issues that I consider important. — billinghurst sDrewth 13:02, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
I am sorry, that wasn't my intention. Indeed it is a minor issue. It isn't that important for me. I just merely take over this task so humans can work on practically anything else. :) -- A Certain White Cat chi? 15:44, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

authority control template[edit]

I've noticed you adding {{authority control}} to the bottom of author pages. Is this something I should be doing when I create a new author page? (And, if so, maybe it could be added to the default new page template in authorspace?) I'm afraid I don't entirely understand the purpose of the template. --Mukkakukaku (talk) 12:14, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

That template displays adds a box to the bottom of the page where any data links from Wikidata will be displayed. --EncycloPetey (talk) 16:07, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
There's already a "data item" in the header linking to Wikidata.... Mukkakukaku (talk) 21:21, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
@Mukkakukaku: Please do add the item if you remember, don't worry if you don't, as we will pick them up at a later time. It is mentioned to be added in Help:Author pages (recently added). The data item shows a link to wikidata; this link to WD also allows us to extract data from WD for inclusion here, including the authority control data which is links to other sites, usually international libraries, and similar. — billinghurst sDrewth 04:21, 8 November 2016 (UTC)

Tech News: 2016-45[edit]

23:01, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

Tech News: 2016-46[edit]

19:17, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

Author:Diego Grez-Cañete[edit]

Hi there, Billinghurst! It's Diego here. Just wanted to ask you if you could restore that author page, I do have published works, and that seems to be the "general notability guideline". There are many authors who have a page, and they won't have one of their works added to Wikisource anytime soon. If you need proof (re. my works), there is plenty: [15] [16] and news articles hanging around.

I would write this using my own account, however I don't recall my password, I've been out of wikis for some time already, but I have good memories of my time at Wikisource collaborating with Chile-related works. Kind regards, -- 01:26, 16 November 2016 (UTC)

Also, I think user:Beleg Tâl makes a good point at Wikisource:Proposed_deletions#Author:Diego_Grez-Ca.C3.B1ete. By the way, was it Warko who requested speedy deletion? -- 01:27, 16 November 2016 (UTC)

The criteria that I have worked to are

  1. the potential to have works so we have these pages for out of copyright or creative commons writers
  2. authors (or close to authors) where we have biographical works about them
  3. authors who are mentioned in other works, or their works are mentioned (even if less likely to have works at enWS, ie. foreign authors)
It would be my observation that the author pages are subsidiary to our main namespace, not so much an independent entity. So, I have a different viewpoint to yours of the notability criteria. Predominantly with the criteria if we don't have an author's works and are unlikely to have their works, we don't need an author page. — billinghurst sDrewth 05:35, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
Well, I actually released a translation of "Es un lindo día" under the CC-BY license... -- 21:28, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
You did release such a translation, but it did not meet our criteria for original, unpublished translations. --EncycloPetey (talk) 01:14, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

Collaboration products newsletter: 2016-11[edit]

16:32, 16 November 2016 (UTC)

Messed up at Commons[edit]

Hi. I moved by mistake commons:Category:Stratemeyer Syndicate commons:Category:American Boys' Life of Theodore Roosevelt. Could you move it back please? Thanks a lot.— Mpaa (talk) 18:58, 19 November 2016 (UTC)

Update: @Yann: has taken care of it (I contacted him on IIRC, but cannot get in touch with him any longer now).
The only thing is that now the history of the two cats is mixed up. commons:Category:Stratemeyer Syndicate looks very new (it is the history of the redirect created by my move) and commons:Category:American Boys' Life of Theodore Roosevelt actually has the history of the original commons:Category:Stratemeyer Syndicate.
I guess that for the sake of clarity, this status should be cleaned moving back commons:Category:American Boys' Life of Theodore Roosevelt and overriding the current commons:Category:Stratemeyer Syndicate. Thanks again.— Mpaa (talk) 19:41, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
@Mpaa: categories are shocking to move and basically shouldn't be. I wouldn't fuss the Commons history, just make sure that things are in the right place. If there is the need to have things moved, let me know. — billinghurst sDrewth 04:21, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
Thanks.— Mpaa (talk) 17:29, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

Index:Freud - Group psychology and the analysis of the ego.djvu[edit]

Not happy, finally traced the translator, and found this wasn't PD-UK after all. (sigh) ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 23:03, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done file now at English Wikisource, awaiting update. — billinghurst sDrewth 04:41, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
File info updated. I'm still not entirely happy, but I don't think there's a policy justifiable reason for local deletion here. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 10:15, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
<shrug> Whilst we may have a 1924 edition, if it is essentially the same as a pre-1923 edition, then it is out of copyright. We could bother more, however, I don't think it is worth the effort. — billinghurst sDrewth 12:13, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

Tech News: 2016-47[edit]

15:32, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

Tech News: 2016-48[edit]

21:16, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

Linking to page namespace[edit]

Can you please elaborate why not link to the Page namespace? Is this a new rule? Because I believe that introducing readers to the mysteries of where pages originate, and how they are displayed, is important. After all if we can have five different and non-working ways to clear a cache, what is another wikilink matter? unsigned comment by Ineuw (talk) .

From a table of contents it is not appropriate to take users to the page namespace (our workspace, the back end) unless they are expecting to go and edit. When they are trying to read the work we should be presenting links to read. So links in a ToC that are putting users to the Page: ns are misleading and confusing to most new readers, especially as they are indistinguishable. Readers are needing chapters, or the appropriate expected book subdivision. The means to get to the page namespace is through the page links in the left margin.
It is a long time rule. It was all discussed and was the reason for the development of {{djvu page link}} and the purposes of the template. So if you truly wish to have links in Page: ns — billinghurst sDrewth 23:51, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

Re: Your message[edit]

Thank you, User:Billinghurst for your message.

I'd be glad to get back to you in case of need or help.

Regards. Blackbuckakash (talk) 09:34, 4 December 2016 (UTC)