User talk:BirgitteSB/2006 archive

Please see my talk page

Hullo, now we are getting somewhere codifying templates, I have drafted a page on the procedure for using them. I shall,be glad for any comments etc. Kind regards. Apwoolrich 20:09, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Speeches Portal

Hi, would you mind taking a look at my Speeches Portal at User:AllanHainey/SpeechesPortal and letting me know what improvements you think it could do with? Thanks AllanHainey 13:11, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Patrolled edits

Hi, Birgitte. No, I don't think we have these enabled on this wiki. Are they enabled on any wiki (I'm not sure if they are active even on WP)? I wouldn't even know how to go about turning them on, unless we filed a bug report about it.—Zhaladshar ^(Talk) 05:05, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

I was perusing Bugzilla, and if the community wants to have patrolled edits installed, all we have to do is file a bug report, it seems. So, should we get a discussion going on the Scriptorium to get a consensus?—Zhaladshar ^(Talk) 21:47, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Un-logged in contributors

Hi. I gather that on WP only logged in editors are allowed to contribute new pages. I wonder if we should be doing the same on WS. In might help to stop some of the petty vandalism. Also, as a help to new editors, I am going to beef up some of our general introductory pages (What WS is about, for example) making plain there are procedures for placing new pages. As it stands there is nothing about the need to include navigation templates, for example. Apwoolrich 08:53, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Portal colour schemes

A while back you were discussing somewhere the colours of portals. If you have not already done so, have a look at the mathematics portal on WP. Its very attractive. [1] There is a link at the very bottom to the WS mathematics page, where most of the links are red, having been once deleted from the site. Now the topic has been reinstated I will try and reactivate them, unless anyone knows why they should not be. Apwoolrich 19:16, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Re: Translation

I got the text from this website: http://www.hoboes.com/html/FireBlade/Dumas/Musketeers/ --PokeTIJeremy 23:52, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Re: Tao te Ching

This translation is actually mine, as you can see from the top of the page. I think we can translate stuff ourselves on Wikisource can't we? If you think I've not made it clear concerning the details of translation please contact me. Thanks. --User:Luthinya 17:44 18 January 2006

I've received your message and thank you very much for giving such good advices. Can you also help me on where I could find people who could give more 'graphic' advices concerning the translation of this sacred text and improve my understanding of it? My great interest, cultural heritage as a native Chinese speaker and a large amount of reading besides are almost the only things keeping me going and they are certainly not enough. It would be great to discuss my translations and understandings with a wider audience who probably knew the subject better than I do. --User:Luthinya 10:31 19 January 2006

Thanks!

For the welcome. Thanks for telling me about that template, it made my life easier!--Shanel 00:43, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

USA PATRIOT Act/Title X

I think THOMAS crapped out on me... anyway, I went to EPIC and got the rest from there. Sorry, I didn't notice this! All fixed now. What do you think of the way it has been layed out? Also, on the USA PATRIOT Act page, how do we remove the TOC? Usually I use __TOC__ but that's not working in this case. - Ta bu shi da yu 13:35, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Suite of template colours

Hi Birgitte. Many thanks for your input on this. I have used your classification and made a start at slotting in the templates we actually use. The object in this is to get a feel for what colours are there and to come up with a scheme for change. Particularly on the templates used on the documents, I feel we should aim for a consistent colour scheme, so readers can identify with our house style. Kind regards Apwoolrich 19:46, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

U.S. Code

We are starting to get parts of the United States Federal code added in peicemeal latelyand I have been trying to keep it organized and standardize the page names at very least. This will be a mammoth document when complete. Currently it is published with every Title a seperate book, perhaps some take several. I think this is a prime canidate for a specialized navigation template and was wondering if you would take a look at it. You have proved to have high level of understanding how templates need to work and I am out of my league on this. Although this nothing that is needed immediately I think it will be easier to implement while the Code is still quite small.--BirgitteSB 19:36, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

This could be accomplished using the smallTOC template on a transcluded subpage. What do you think of this example?

{{header | previous=←Table of contents | next=Title 2. The Congress→ | title=U.S. Code | section=(Title 1. General provisions) | author= | override_author=the United States Government | notes=<smallTOC removed for technical reasons>

// Pathoschild (_admin / ^talk) 02:21, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Is it necessary to split the text along every division possible? We could vastly simplify navigation if we merged small sections into their parent sections (for example, merge US Code/Title 1/Chapter 1/§ 2 (and siblings) into US Code/Title 1/Chapter 1 with headers. Depending on the size of the chapters, we could merge the chapters into the titles as well. What do you think? // Pathoschild (_admin / ^talk) 03:05, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Spam

Hi Bergitte, the stuff you have just reverted is very similar to the material, I reverted yesterday - masses of URLs to quiestionable sites. Is it signifact it was placed by anons on pages created by Uncle G's Bot? I also banned the 'editor' as well. Kind regards. Apwoolrich 13:42, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Re the ISP I checked the contributions and found that a handful had been made from that number last summer and nothing since. I had another instance about a month ago of multiple URLs and reverted those as well. I don't know what is the point of us having multiple URLs on our pages. Do you have any idea. Those I has seen have been placed at the very bottoms of the pages, after all the small print stuff, where a casual reader is not likely to see it. Is it possible we have been hacked into somehow and are acting as a server for them? Apwoolrich 18:26, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Logoboy95

Hi Birgitte. FYI, I see from this user's page on WP that he is permaneently banned from WP. There is a large notice saying so on his talk page. signed by Jimbo et al!! Kind regards Apwoolrich 14:22, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Birgitte, if you look at WP, the articles that correspond to what Logoboy is uploading are identical in content. It seems he is moving WP articles over here to spam us. No content will be lost by going through and deleting them because they are all from WP anyway.—Zhaladshar ^(Talk) 14:23, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up. Hopefully he will talk to me now--BirgitteSB 14:26, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Doubtful. From his talk page on Wikipedia, it looks like he just wants to cause trouble.—Zhaladshar ^(Talk) 18:28, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

We don't do awards of merit on WS but if we did i would give you one for what you are doing here. Kind regards. Apwoolrich 19:08, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

?Vandalism on Gettysburg Oration

Hi Birgitte, I see the Address has made it to the featured article on WP today. An anon has made change to the date in the Gettysburg Oration. Probably vandalism but before altering I thought I would ask you to have a look at it since you know far more about it than I do. I will put it and the GA on my watch list in case we get more vandals. Kind regards. Apwoolrich 12:56, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

PS maybe protect both?? Apwoolrich 12:59, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Monobook

No, the header and author templates will show up as little buttons, not tabs (not like the hide/show tab we got a while ago). You know when you go to edit a documents, you get those little buttons at the top of the text box (the first has a small B for bold text, the next is in italicized I, etc.)? There should be two buttons at the very end, which are both big A's. Those buttons will insert the templates.

Misnamed javascript file

Hello. I've deleted User:BrigitteSB/monobook.js, since you misspelled the page name when you created it (Bri... instead of Bir...). I've pasted the code below, if you're interested in adding it to your javascript file at User:BirgitteSB/monobook.js.

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// Pathoschild (_admin / ^talk) 21:51, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

OTH Lamo Transcript 20040407

Hello. I've replied to your proposed deletion at Wikisource:Proposed_deletions. Please review this response as time permits. Thank you for working to keep Wikimedia projects relevant and NPOV.

Adrian Lamo ·· 22:43, 15 February 2006 (UTC) (w:User:Adrian)

Sockpuppetry

Birgitte, I was just about to tell you (and then I saw your comments on User talk:BradPatrick's page) about the new uploads that I think pertain to the USAA problem. Should we be suspicious of these two users? It's highly fishy that two different users would upload actual images of the real document of this lawsuit and not be the same user. Maybe post a message on the notice board?—Zhaladshar ^(Talk) 00:49, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Please explain

Why have you blocked up-loading of a public document?

True v USAA

You better read this:

arrest of Robert J. Koenig

Who has paid you to take down a public document? Comment originally added to user page by 216.198.62.187 on 14:43, 12 March 2006 with the summary questions as to possible rent-a-administrator at wikipedia.

Birgitte- This was added to your user page. Hope you don't mind me moving it here for you, I was intrigued by the summary & thought you might not notice it on the user page. AllanHainey 13:26, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

I removed the document with the advice and consultation of other adminstrators at wikisource and as well as those at other wikimedia projects who have experience with this issue. The contributor who uploaded it was permently banned from Wikipedia due to his postings about this lawsuit and related issues. I honored that ban as including Wikisource and deleted all of his contributions per policy. He never responded with any objections to my resoning or conclusions. I have never been paid for any contributions I have made. If you have any other questions let me know. I have been offline lately, but I will check in.--BirgitteSB 20:45, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Letter at mailing list

Hi Birgitte!

Saw the letter you posted at the Foundation mailing list. Very nice! I feel bad I let myself get too carried away on this one; should have just stated my point once and then left it to others. On the other hand, your special way of writing contributed a lot. Good job, we'll see what happens. Dovi 15:49, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi Birgitte, Can we have a link to this letter, please, not all of us are signed up to the Foundation's mailing list :). Kind regards. Apwoolrich 07:48, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Here. So far no replies. Dovi 11:09, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Donne's Elegies

Hi, Birgitte,

I noticed that you've been moving Donne's Elegies to pages like "Poems (Donnes)/Elegy I." I was wondering what naming convention you were referring to, as these poems are sort of stand alone, in that they are commonly known by their titles as Elegy I, Elegy II, etc., and not necessarily in connection with any collection or anthology of poetry. It seems more logical that they should still be at their previous titles, maybe with a disambiguating "(Donne, 1633)" as in Elegy I (Donne, 1633) or maybe (since we don't seem to have many elegies here that go by these titles) just Elegy I (1633) or Elegy I (1896). Thanks!—Zhaladshar ^(Talk) 03:13, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

I see where the conflict might be. My suggestion would be to create the anthologies, and link to the Elegies, but with slightly different names. I've been doing this (it's the best compromise I can think of) with Whittier's poems; many are known to be included in anthologies, but they are also known all by themselves, so I create the anthology pages, but include the links on the anthology pages as simply pointing to the title of the poem (that means I'm not doing any sub-page titling for the poems—if the collection is Whittier's Collection of Poems, I don't do Whittier's Collection of Poems/A POEM HERE, but just do A POEM HERE.

I would suggest we do it similar to that, and create disambiguation pages (I can do that if you don't feel like it) to differentiate between the two versions should a user search for "Elegy I." The decision is up to you, but since the Elegies are pretty commonly known as just Elegies, and since I don't see any particular reason to make the titling complicated, I would just suggest we do it that way.—Zhaladshar ^(Talk) 04:16, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

That sounds fine. Linking to the more modernized version from the older version (and vice versa) sounds like a good idea. And if you guys do it, a side by side version would be great, as well.—Zhaladshar ^(Talk) 19:46, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Aside from ThomasV, I don't know anyone who can script in PHP, so we might be stuck for a little while (maybe until the summer). That said, it'll probably be easiest if we just create the separate pages for each version, and format them with the usual {{header}} template until we have the means to display them side-by-side.—Zhaladshar ^(Talk) 20:03, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Whittier poems

Hiya...the Whittier poems are all being copied from this page, Except for The Eve of Election which I foolishly transcribed from my own copy before knowing Gutenberg already had it. I'm not sure what you mean by PG text number...is that the number (wit2110) in the URL? Thanks, Kickstart70

Communications Committee

The committee did not reach any decision regarding localised logos, descriptive texts, or self-identifying slogans. Some members of the committee would like to draw up a style guide, which would cover this issue. Because no decision was reached the discussion is ongoing. - Amgine 22:11, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Alexander S. Peak

I replied at [link].

Game rules

The rules of a game become public domain as soon as the game is published. The cosmetic design of the game may be trademarked, and long descriptive passages about the game in general may be protectable, but the rules themselves are public domain. [2] —MJBurrage 15:18, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

They're Made out of Meat

Alright. I've gone back over all the other texts I have added from EastOfTheWeb to double check their copyrights and have discovered the rest are legitamite (primarily because they were published before 1923) but will use extreme caution when contributing texts written post 1923 (I've stopped adding from EastOfTheWeb altogether for the moment). I've also taken the *ahem* liberty of letting them know they may be illegally redistibuting a text. I was never satisfied with their methods and it'll be nice to reveal a mistake. - Stuartkonen 18:04, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Insects

It's unfortunate that there may be problems with this work (Insects, Their Ways and Means of Living). I believed the work was PD because it had been scanned by the Canadian Libraries "high volume book scanning pilot project" and assumed they'd only be doing public domain books; it's published on archive.org; and it's 70+ years old. The copyright is complicated by it being published by the Smithsonian Institute, which is administered by the US govt. Perhaps they could be contacted ( RightsManager@si.edu ) to check if it's PD, or to beg for it to be licensed under an appropriate license so it can be cleaned up by Wikipedians? Pengo 22:28, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Oh well. That's crap. Guess I shouldn't assume things about archive.org copyright status. Remind me to put the book and images back up when I turn 53 (83?) if the laws haven't mickey-moused again Pengo 01:56, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

I thought archive.org could get away with it simply because they allow non-commercial licenses, and Smithsonian would allow that. But yes, I noticed the date fudge too (The scanned images of the book clearly show 1930 and no earlier date). Pengo 02:27, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

I have received your message here. I have visited all images at commons:Category:Snodgrass claimed to be in the public domain in countries where the copyright lasts for life plus 70 years. The instructions for copyright problems that you have not found are on the TOP of Commons:Deletion requests. Go there and try again if you can find it to tag images that you want to discuss.--Jusjih 14:34, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

I have received your message. You are welcome and Wikimedia Commons uses single deletion tag for all reasons, including copyright violations. As a new admin there, I am searching for images with unknown licenses and have deleted a few.--Jusjih 14:54, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Portals and main page redesign

Hi Birgitte,

I wanted to point to your attention a discussion just started on the Scriptorium: Main page redesign. On it, portals were brought up as a way to phase out such things as Wikisource:Poetry, and such. I know that you put together a draft portal. Could you please post the link on the discussion on the Scriptorium so we can work with it and our main page redesign proposal? Thanks!03:17, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Heya

About the USA PATRIOT Act, I realise what you are trying to do, but we have a seperate section for each of the titles, which has been quite useful when adding {{wikisource}} tags to Wikipedia articles about each of the titles. - Ta bu shi da yu 14:22, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Oh, P.S. awesome job so far on adding the U.S. Code! One day maybe Wikipedia will have an article on each of the Titles! In the meantime, having it in Wikisource is very cool :-) Only question is: what happens when it gets amended? - Ta bu shi da yu 14:24, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

It's very much a backburner project for me too. - Ta bu shi da yu 02:57, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Adminship?

Thank you very much. Yes, I'd be quite willing to be an Admin. - illy 20:53, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks re: 'deleted account'

Thanks for your help with my old account, I was really puzzled by not having an account here. Good to meet you, too. Pedant 00:58, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

EB1911 ligature

Thanks for spotting it. It was carelesness on my part. The text editor I used to type up the list does not allow the insertion of ligatures and I did not thnk to correct it when I move across to WS. And then this morning I found I missed out a volume entirely! Must be old age and tiredness!. Kind regards Apwoolrich 05:17, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

More Bible...

• Moved to Talk:Bible

Snodgrass again

You had initiated a deletion request over at the commons on Category:Snodgrass. I don't know if you've followed the discussion, but in any case I thought I'd tell you that archive.org has updated its web page, even including a kind of copyright tag. Lupo, 20:29, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Greek Septaguint

Brigitte, here is the link to the category for the biblical texts in Greek:

• el:Κατηγορία:Θρησκευτικά κείμενα

Unfortunately, only a small portion of the Septuagint has been uploaded. I want to encourage you to upload more texts into the this database. If an Ancient Greek wikisource will ever be created, presumably everything that is here will be copied anyway. Andreas (T) 15:25, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Request for help

I don't know much about the Septuagint. In any case, was there something you had in mind? --Nema Fakei

This all looks like good greek. I have a copy of the Greek NT, and the Matthew matches up at a glance. To Greek readers, it can be a bit jarring to see foriegn (Hebrew) names, of course - especially ones that end in letters that would be impossible in Greek (David, Abraam), but if the text you're copying from (I assume you're copying and pasting, so as to retain the accents) is the same as mine, it's "The text underlying the English authorised version of 1611", known as the 'textus receptus' and therefore clearly outside copyright period. Even if it isn't, the editor's notes suggest there have been no real changes to the text itself since then and my copy does not mention the word copyright anywhere. I suspect the same is true of the septuagint. This zip also seems as good as any (easy to copy, too). Thing is, I can't seem to find any any apparatus criticus, so I can't really tell you if they're reliable editions. With the Bible, that's not much of a problem, though, as it's pretty well documented, unlike much of classical literature (strangely enough, mediaveal christian monks saw fit to produce more copies of the bible than of pagan texts). The 'version' issues are mostly 'which translation do we endorse', which is always going to have to change as English moves on. As to titles, I'll get back to you with a list.--Nema Fakei 15:48, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Bible related

Hi! Given your recent work, I would appreciate your feedback on this. Dovi 07:18, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Template:Test

Whoops! Haha, I completely mindblanked about that template being used on talk pages! I was wondering why there was a vandalism message on a template instead of on the user's talk page...Thanks for reverting it; the purpose of having it with the edits I made was done, anyway.—Zhaladshar ^(Talk) 03:11, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Welcome message

Thanks for your warm welcome. Now that the account is created, I have no trouble logging in and editing with Firefox.--GrafZahl 14:08, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

ED

Hm, that's probably a good idea... I'll tweak my scripts slightly to allow for that :) The main issue is that the titles use "--", not em-dashes... Should we perhaps move them, later? Jude (talk,contribs,email) 01:35, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

I tweaked the script that I've been using to save pages (I've got it somewhat automated with key-combinations), but it changes the forward and back links, which causes issues like this. I'll probably remove it and keep going as I was and do it in a second and third phase once Xenophon has its bot flag. Second phase would involve moving all the pages to the em-dash title, which is easy to do with a JavaScript, and the third phase would probably be running AutoWikiBrowser through all of the pages and changing the emdash that way... Thoughts? Jude (talk,contribs,email) 01:46, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Using — is a much better idea, of course. Thanks, I'm not sure what I was thinking... :) Jude (talk,contribs,email) 01:53, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Special:Log/move, Special:Contributions/Xenophon (bot). :-) I've done all the pages! And I've worked out an extremely easy and simple system of moving pages (well, someone worked it out for me :-)). Jude (talk,contribs,email) 13:13, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, if you spot any that there are a lot of that need to be changed, you can leave a message and I'll do them batch-like... I'm currently taking a break to work on the Scriptorium archivation system, but I should be able to do any page moves tomorrow. Jude (talk,contribs,email) 13:22, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

IRC

By the way, you can use IRC via your browser using this CGI interface, just fill in the details as you would normally (ie. Nickname: BirgitteSB, Channel: #wikisource, Server: irc.freenode.net). Jude (talk,contribs,email) 01:55, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

I just finished correcting the details on Bible (World English), so that they point to the correct pages, instead of the soft redirects. I've also done up to poem #400 of Emily Dickinson, so I'm going to take a break now. I noticed some strangeness with Zephaniah, though. It appears the original page was "Zephanaiah", but it's now "Zephaniah"... I'll have to research this. Xenophon (talk,tasks,owner) 12:57, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Complete Poetry - Rudyard Kipling

I've restored it. I'll leave it to you to get the histories merged. Good luck. :-) - illy 17:57, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Page move list

Hi, Birgitte,

I just wanted to let you know that I've fixed up the page you made for page moves and changed the link to it on you user page to standard relative links.—Zhaladshar ^(Talk) 15:48, 9 June 2006 (UTC) Thanks!--BirgitteSB 16:24, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

In future, if you will propose my contributions for deletion...

In future, if you will propose my contributions for deletion, please make a more reasonable attempt to contact me, especially given that my wikipedia page is listed on my wikisource page, and my e-mail is registered in the system. (reference to the Baha'i texts from the Baha'i Library). All of the texts mentioned there, except for one, can be sourced from public domain sources. It's a small courtesy given the hours and hours that went into formatting them. Thank you. --Christian Edward Gruber 16:01, 9 June 2006 (UTC) (en.wikipedia.org talk page)

Please notice I did not propose your contributions for deletion. [3] I did speak up during the disscusion to say there were serious copuright concerns with these texts. And despite my best efforts at research into issue I could not find the definative answer that was needed. I truly spent a good amount of time looking into it. But I could not find out if these were published in the UK or US and who was responsible for the translations to English. Also the dates of publication I found were not clear if they refered to the original or English translation. I would love to have these texts on Wikisource but I am afraid they do not meet our stringent license requirements. I would be happy to temporaly restore them to give you a chance to save your formatting at anytime. I am sorry your hard work no longer is a part of the project, and that you were unware of that concerns were raised about it. Please let me know what I can do to help.--BirgitteSB 16:21, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

== {{unlinked}} ==

Actually, there are plenty of orphaned pages with headers. The header template doesn't actually have anything to do with whether a page gets linked to or not. It does make it more likely, with the author line actually creating a link for an author page. However, if we don't have the author and the uploader doesn't bother to create it, it still doesn't help. - illy 17:34, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

No problem. I appreciate the help. I just really wish categories would create a hard link back to the pages. Then this wouldn't be neccesary. - illy 17:56, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Math articles

Here is a list of deleted math pages that I would like to see temporarily restored for evaluation. If some are categories, don't bother, obviously, and if the last is a pain to restore we can skip it for now.--ArnoldReinhold 17:40, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

List moved to User:BirgitteSB#Temporary restorations per request

Is there a reasonable mechanism for moving articles to another project besides cutting and pasting? It would be nice to preserve edit histories.--ArnoldReinhold 13:20, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Em-dashes

I don't think there is any standard British or American usage of en or em dashes. 19th C British docs tend to use the longer em dash without spaces. This is still the type used by Hansard (Parliamentary records), the Times uses short - en dashes without spaces to link together words or numbers and words ("64-seat", "law-abiding") but elsewhere uses em dash with spaces to seperate other information from the sentence as a whole.

In general I don't think it's old fashioned to use the shorted - en dash as I can't remember seeing this often on older sources. Also it is the standard hyphen available on our keyboards so gets used more frequently than any other type of dash or hyphen (as apart from _ its the only one set up as standard on keyboards).

I suppose our usage will depend on the type of source, if it's an originally written source I'd go with the original usage, for originally spoken works rendered with the longer em dash and no spaces I have rendered this space-space for convenience, though I note this on the talk page. AllanHainey 11:25, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

How_to_build_up_an_organisation_–_experiences_of_Mehr_Demokratie

As to the licence, they give it away. Can you help with the legal stuff? Would be great. Wiki-vr 15:12, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi BrigitteSB. I have written them an e-mail. Could you please help me, under which label all this may fit? Thank you very much. Wiki-vr 18:44, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Emily Dickinson

I just finished the last of Dickinson. :) Xenophon (talk,tasks,owner) 11:22, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

UK Acts

I have a response/request on my talk page Hacienda 20:37, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Block

I hope you don't mind, but as the anon you recently blocked also vandalised fifteen or so pages last night, I have increased its block to a week. Please feel free to revert to the shorter block. Jude (talk) 13:44, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Not a problem. I like to use really short blocks so I notice if they keep it up or not. However I am not possesive of vandals so feel free to alter any vandalism blocks as you see fit.--BirgitteSB 11:54, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Portals

Birgitte, After hearing that the Portal: namespace is now set up I went to update the speeches portal and try to move it over to Portal:Speeches. I found that something, I think involving templates, has broken the portal setup. I checked & it's the same problem with your poetry portal. I'll let you know if I figure out how to fix it. AllanHainey 11:19, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure what caused the problem but I think I've worked out how to fix it. Take a look at the code for User:AllanHainey/SpeechesPortal but I think all you'll need to do with the poetry portal is add Template: inside the {{name of template}} which occurs in the middle of each block of 3 & change : to / in Portal:Scheme on the top part of each block of 3. So

{{Portal:Scheme|Poetry Portal|Portal:Poetry/Intro|}} {{Portal:Poetry/Intro}} {{Template:Portal/box-footer|}} would change to {{Portal/Scheme|Poetry Portal|Portal:Poetry/Intro|}} {{Template:Portal:Poetry/Intro}} {{Template:Portal/box-footer|}} AllanHainey 11:50, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Transclusion Patch

First of all, Wow! And thanks!

The very fact that Brion is positive on this is fantastic in and of itself, even if it will still take quite some time.

Writing a patch is light years beyond my own technical abilities.

The only person that I know for certain both very much likes the idea and is capable of writing the code is User:Eloquence, who estimated that implementation would probably involve a week or so worth of work to write and debug. (The probable technical issues he suggested would have to be dealt with are listed at WS:LST.) But he is obviously busy with lots of major coding projects. (Maybe some gentle prodding... :-)

Are any of the Wikisource people who have good technical skills also capable of writing actual Wikimedia code? Pathoschild? ThomasV?

Thanks for trying to nudge this forward, Dovi 20:42, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

The Star-Spangled Banner

Thank you for the note. I am doing some research and trying to find the best fit since I have been given an assignment of 'memorizing' the Star Spangled Banner, but was not given the text to memorize. I went to wiki first, but found after a few searches that there seemed to be several differences in versions on the web (not surprised at that), so I am still doing research, but have found one change that I am making. Please double check my work. Please, as I feel very uncomfortable making changes to the Star Spangled Banner. FemVoice 03:44, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Thank you. I will not be able to address the variations immediately, but will ease them in as I find them. As you suggested, I found many differences so far. I will not look for the 'true version', but I wanted something that was more representative of all the ones that I found. The problem with doing searches on the internet after something has been entered on wiki is if an error is entered into wiki, it is usually propagated. Then if you do a search and see that they are all the same as wiki, you figure it is correct, but in many cases, the wiki article is the source of the error. This is why I choose to use Google book search to find the information that I wanted. I looked up disambiguated and think you mean, that the history changes will provide the information or do you truly wish to have separate instances of the same information? Anyway, I am done for the night and will continue tomorrow after a visit to the local library. FemVoice 04:21, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

I have finished with the The Star-Spangled Banner and included sources, etc. I never know what will catch my interest later, but I hope that by what I did in the discussion of the Star Spangled Banner you understand that it was not a task taken lightly. Thank you again for your encouragement. FemVoice 13:29, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Discourse on the Origin of Inequality Among Men

Whoops! Looks like we both had the same idea for a project to do. Since you started it, I'll let you finish it.  :-) —Zhaladshar ^(Talk) 22:19, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

The original text for the Slaveikov's Macedonian question is found

Hi BirgitteSB, please take a look at the WS:DEL. --Filip M 00:24, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

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Hi Birgitte. I've typed the transcript from the photocopy in the bg.ws but find the English translation far from perfect, and in parts changing the meaning (slightly). Could you advise how to proceed? Should I change the text here or should I start a new translation? In latter case, what is the accepted way to do it? -- Goldie ± ^(talk) 05:32, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

What Wikisource includes

And you can see on three seperate pages, I ask for discussion on this very matter. One or two people said something, and everybody else said nothing. I still welcome you joining that discussion so we can *clarify* this unclear situation. Wjhonson 21:07, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

I posted some wording here for your review. Thanks. Wjhonson 21:22, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Fragment of Co. Auguste Chouteau's Narrative of the Settlement of St. Louis

hi BirgiteSB

I've decrypted (with help of another user) the Auguste Chouteau's Narrative - page 1 and 2. See that here. Ortho and grammar must be corrected. Bertrand GRONDIN 10:28, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Fragment of Co. Auguste Chouteau's Narrative of the Settlement of St. Louis

I've finished to décipher the fragments. It'was not easy but pleasant. Bertrand GRONDIN 15:25, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

note : Except the beginning of the first page, I did it all.Bertrand GRONDIN 15:42, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Help about color text

• color red : doubtful
• color green : deduction
• color blue : sure

Bertrand GRONDIN 19:29, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

orthography

I've kept the Auguste Chouteau's original orthography. It's different : For Chief Pontiac he wrote Pondiac, etc.

Bertrand GRONDIN 19:29, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Correcting the pages

I began to correct the narrative. Page 1 to 3 are already corrected. I did plenty of mistakes.Bertrand GRONDIN 11:47, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

I corrected the pages today exactly as the original manuscript (including orthographic faults)Bertrand GRONDIN 20:25, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Vandal 70.18.11.5

70.18.11.5 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · block user · block log · SUL) is wrecking havoc on lots of pages; please block. --Spangineer^wp (háblame) 19:58, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks =). I'm glad you were around—I've never before experienced the frustration of watching a vandal continually edit without being blocked. And with only about a dozen admins, what are the chances that all of you are gone? I sure hope that doesn't happen. Anyway, you might also want to semiprotect his user page since he was vandalizing it as well. --Spangineer^wp (háblame) 20:32, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Stable versions

Thanks for the slide!—Zhaladshar ^(Talk) 14:35, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Naming conventions

Oops, my bad for missing the capitalisations, I had copy/pasted the names without doublechecking. As per the "use subpages", I figured it would be easier to run a bot once they're all created, then do all the manual copy/pastes each time. :) Sherurcij ^{(talk) (CRIMINALS ARE MADE, NOT BORN)} 13:15, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Genius_Diwan_of_the_Manasir deletion

Sorry to bother, but me and my colleagues working on this article just can't understand the deletion. The text which is in places translated has been published as a hardcopy (although only one copy of it remains). The work is a jewel and the only written document from a part of Sudan which is as big as most countries in Europe. It is highly relevant in the current circumstances. The complete area that it describes is currently flooded. It is a bit like deleting the only copy of Nubian poetry preserved before the construction of the Aswan High Dam in Egypt. We always understood that Wikisource was created for just this purpose, to preserve important published public documents for research etc. ?! Cheers - my mail is ********* David Haberlah 01:22, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Okay, the appeal has been launched here: http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Proposed_deletions#Appeal_Deletion_of_important_source_document_from_Sudan . I took the liberty to reverse the deletion during the process of re-assessment, so that interested Wikisource users can refer to it. Cheers, David Haberlah 04:45, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Hey

Yeah, I've been away from a computer for the last week, I just got back yesterday. I'll be back to work putting up executive orders soon. - Politicaljunkie 13:58, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

The executive orders seem to be in numerical order throughout much of history, but the numbering is fuzzy in some areas. The site from which I am getting them, http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu, doesn't number executive orders before 1914. That being said, I don't know how to distinguish between the various orders from that time period without disrupting the naming convention, Executive Order ####. If you have any suggestions, I'd be glad to hear them. - Politicaljunkie 18:52, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Himmler's Copyright Violation

Thank you for keeping me honest. (I wish I had spent less time on the formatting though.) The speech itself (in German) ought to be OK, right? Paul in Saudi 16:18, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Littell's Living Age

I just wanted to tell you that the images have been converted to text all ready. All we would have to do is some formating. Click here All the pages can be changed to text by select view by text. --Mattwj2002 08:00, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Proofreading

Thanks for the welcome and pointing me to WS:PR. I'll see what I can do to help proofread the items on that page and to proofread Shakespeare's Sonnets in the meantime. —dto 18:33, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for Noticing Me

Thanks for your comments on the music encyclopedia, I will definitely look into lilypond. I have already messed up a bit and abused the image upload policy, and put way way too many images for these pages. Oops. I was starting to fix that when you posted your message.

As for using all-uppercase titles, I can also adjust the topic titles, however the book does have all topics in uppercase, which means any proper capitalization (including proper names, and this book has quite a few) are lost. So, if the style should not be all caps, then I'd rather use all lowercase, since I wouldn't know what to capitalize. Does that sound okay? --Damon 18:16, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

The Rime of the Ancyent Marinere (1798)

Sorry about that; I had a feeling I might have done something wrong. I hadn't realized that the links on http://www.rc.umd.edu/editions/LB/html/Lb98-l.html were to scanned versions of the pages, and was just working with the text on that page. Thanks for the note. —dto (talkcontribs) 22:10, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Sysop

AN ABUSIVE SYSOP! SHE IS PULLING DOWN CONTENT MAKING FALSE CLAIMS OF COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT. SYSOP PRIVILEGES SHOULD BE REVOKED, IMMEDIATELY.—unsigned comment by 207.67.146.16 (talk) .

I understand you are upset. However posting material which has been previously deleted as a Copyright violation is always inappropriate. If you wish to a appeal the decision to delete this material, go to WS:COPYVIO and start a new heading titled "Restoration of Foo". Then give your argument as to why this material is not a copyright violation. Any court cases over similar material you can point us to would be particularly helpful.--BirgitteSB 02:55, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Octopus giganteus

I am glad you liked them. :) I decided to place all the articles on one page since a) there are quite a few of them and too many boxes would clutter the Wikipedia article, and b) because I do not know the original titles of some of these articles. Regards, Mgiganteus 18:53, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Annotation Projects

Hi, How does one start an annotation project? Say, a book is available on Wikisource, then how do I make a copy of it to annotate? Do I need to get permission for this? Also, how does one get a book which is available on line (on a public domain book site) into Wikisource? Look forward to your reply. Sanjay Tiwari 03:24, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply! Will look at the links. Sanjay Tiwari 00:47, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Avoid Copyright Paranoia

Hi, thought I'd tag you to let you know I was considering trying to draw up a Wikisource:Avoid Copyright Paranoia at User:Sherurcij/sandbox2 that would serve as an FAQ similar to your suggestion, to have a handy reference to which we would be able to point newcomers, when they ask why there seems to be discrepencies about how we handle copyright. I'm racking my brain at the moment, I know the UK has a 1953 "Enemy Properties Act" that dissolved many Nazi-era copyrights, not sure if the US ever had something similar - I also know Canada has legislation prohibiting criminals from copyrighting or profiting from works directly impacted by their criminal activity, meaning you can't kidnap a millionaire, then make millions writing a book about your crime, or whatever...I think I remember the United States having the same, but am going to need to google madly to find such a reference. Anyways, any help or suggestions would be appreciated. Sherurcij ^{(talk) (CRIMINALS ARE MADE, NOT BORN)} 19:10, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

BradP Correspondence

Hi Birgitte, I've been reading the scriptorium suicide note licencing discussion. BradP's comments on copyright sound interesting, would you be able to let me know the details of his comments or possibly e-mail me a copy of your questions & his response as I'd like to consider this. Thanks AllanHainey 12:03, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Speeches & NPOV

Hi Birgitte,

Two points:

1. On that copyright issue: I said I wasn't sure about how this worked. The phrase that nothing in copyright was ever absolutely certain (or even forever) is unfortunately rather unhelpful and dodges the issue. (And appears to be Brad's standard answer; I've seen it before.) If even prepared orations, for which there is some script that someone wrote, should not be copyrighted, I'd darn well like to see an explanation of the reasoning. If "oration" is to mean "impromptu speeches", I tend to agree.
2. On NPOV: sure. I just recently had much fun myself posting a beautifully biased piece here. But I think there should be a line drawn somewhere, and current political speeches are clearly out in my point of view. Why should we give politicians around the world a platform for their propaganda? It just doesn't make sense.

Lupo 12:12, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

1. Well I have seen two explanations on speeches. One was "I Have A Dream" which is limited to US pre-1979 and was regarding "limited publication". The appeals court ruled the prepartion was a limited publication and that the copies handed out to reporters did not grant copyright and then remanded the case back to the lower court. At this point the parties settled out of court without a ruling. The other I have less details on an will have to try and find the disscusion. It was in the UK; I don't know whether or not it was impromtu nor the time period. However it was about a journalist being awarded the copyright of a speech that he transcribed over the politician who gave the speech. On the other hand, I have never heard of an orator receiving a ruling that establishes their copyright (besides the intial MLK ruling that was undone on appeal).
2. I have actually never seen this idea discussed here before at all. I have always felt the insistence on completeness was "our NPOV". I have definitely seen things which were excerpted in a biased fashion, so it seems to do being doing a job. Honestly I have no idea where such a line could be drawn. I just cannot see how to separate this stuff, it is all biased.--BirgitteSB 16:57, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

1. I'm not sure that case about "I Have A Dream" has any bearing on post-1988 U.S. prepared speeches. At the time MLK gave his speech, the U.S. required a copyright notice and registration with the U.S. Copyright Office for a work to be copyrighted. I don't know the details of that case, but I wouldn't be surprised if that was a factor for the speech indeed being not copyrighted. The situation changed when the U.S. joined the Berne Convention, and since then, copyright is automatic in the U.S. If scripts for prepared speeches somehow are excluded from copyright, I'd really like to know why.
2. Completeness of single contributions is certainly a requirement. As you said, selective quoting is POV, too. But selecting what works to include at all is also a way of POV. Does that mean that anything goes on Wikisource as long as its legal? I don't think so. Like other Wikimedia projects, Wikisource should also have an editorial policy. (Heck, maybe you have one. In that case, please forgive my ignorance; Wikisource isn't exactly my home turf. I only found WS:WWI, which I find lacking as an editorial policy.) And that editorial policy should give guidelines as to what kind of works may be published here, and what kinds of works are out. It's the same over at the English Wikipedia. We also select what to include and what not to. It's a kind of POV. But there is wide consensus that we also bear some editorial responsibility, and thus should not blindly publish anything just because it was legal to do so. In an editorial context, this came up e.g. in the context of pornographic images, and the consensus seems to be to generally not publish those even when they're free. In the context of copyrights, it came up in the context of works from countries not having any copyright relations with the U.S.: we do honor their copyright anyway and treat them as if they were members of the Berne Convention. I think the situation here on Wikisource is about the same. Or would Wikisource publish, say, Irving's books, if he placed them under a free license? I think doing so would be legal in the U.S. ... but would you like to take the editorial responsibility for such a publication? I certainly wouldn't want to. Would the Foundation? I don't know. Lupo 14:32, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

1. I agree that the MLK ruling was pre-Berne Convention. On the hand if it is clear these things are currently copyrighted why would Brad ommit that in his response to me? I don't know. This makes it very hard to convince the community here that these copyrights are a significant problem.
2. Wikipedia certainly has systematic bias. That appears to what you are talking about here. There are certainly things that I would not personally upload to Wikisource nor work on. But am I to say they do not belong? Perhaps I would work to see more Holocaust primary sources like the Protest of Zofia Kossak-Szczucka (Wikisource translation) were uploaded in that case. Perhaps I would be convinced by the arguments made at consensus deletion, after all we can always decide as a community we do not want something. But this is different than drawing a line in the sand on what we accept. I know little of Irving's work (I actually had to look him up on WP), I suspect his books are published by a vanity press and would be unacceptable anyways. But if they were otherwise acceptable I don't see how they would survive consensus deletion. I don't think this is something you should worry about. On the other hand you talk of pronography. The other day someone suggested we were missing the works of w:Marquis de Sade and a couple of us scoured the internet trying to find a free translation. It looks as though we will have to do a GFDL translation for this. I also wonder if Commons would delete scans of the w:Kama Sutra if we wished to illustrate our copy of this work? I don't know if this is just a difference in culture, but I find the idea of declaring broad types of works taboo outrageous. Offensive even; I am surprised how strongly I react to this. If we need to exclude something for editorial reasons, let us do this on a case-by-case basis.--BirgitteSB 15:24, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Talk page for WS:FTC

Do you remember if Wikisource:Featured text candidates had a talk page? I deleted the vandalism that was on it (and the only entries in the history, as well). But it seems strange to me that a page like that wouldn't have a talk page with content on it. I'm wondering if I need to go scouting around for the talk page or not.—Zhaladshar ^(Talk) 15:53, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Hrm?

I didn't remove anything about his nomination for deletion, other than re-titled the subject since he nominated 9 different pages for deletion, but only mentioned one in the actual nomination. Sherurcij ^{(talk) (CRIMINALS ARE MADE, NOT BORN)} 19:40, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

pgkbot

changes needed: adapt the parsing of the ircfeed, the bot is not taking the complete url it seems, if it does take the complete url it's mangling it some place down the code. ircfeed gives: http://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=User:Henna&diff=277387&oldid=277383&rcid=227885 pgkbot gives: http://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=User:Henna&diff=277387&oldid=277383 you need the rcid parameter in the url to be able to patrol edits. Henna 01:13, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

I made my first source contribution

Hello, I just made my first source contribution to Wikisource at After action report: Firebase Ripcord, 23 July 1970. I would appreciate it if you could look it over and make sure I did everything properly. (not sure if I put the right percentage in the textinfo template on the talk page.) If you have a few extra minutes, maybe you could proofread it for me as well, using the source link in the textinfo box as a reference, and reset the percentage as appropriate. Let me know on my talk page how it looks. Thanks. Crockspot 21:36, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

75% is for the text being proofread by one user. Did you do that? The level of progress is usually something like "text complete" or "proofread," not the boilerplate "progress description and icon" (that's what you are supposed to put there). --Benn Newman ^(AMDG) 22:05, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

I did proofread it. Crockspot 03:24, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Need help in moving pages?

HI, I think using scripts we can easily move the pages, If you are interested I will provide you a python script which will do it... but need sometime to analyze and develop it...:) Can you let me know the exact details. --Nvineeth 06:22, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Translations

Wikisource has a number of translations of legislative documents. Are these all to be tagged as {{Translator?}}? (See also w:en:User talk:Physchim62#Translations... Lupo 08:11, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Omar Khayyam

This is my attempt to answer your question:

• What is the benefit of our arrival and departure? (Literal)
• We come and go, but for the gain, where is it? (E. H. Whinfield)
• Where have we come from? Where are we going? (Dmitri Smirnov)

All the best (Dmitrismirnov 18:04, 4 December 2006 (UTC))

Sorry for my misunderstanding. No, I don't speak or read Persian, and my translations were made from Russian poetical translations with comparison them to some other versions (I linked the English pages to them) as well as to the literal translations in those cases when they where available. (Dmitrismirnov 19:27, 4 December 2006 (UTC))

I did everything you requested. Please check. Yours (Dmitrismirnov 00:35, 5 December 2006 (UTC))

Wikisource: De Administrando Imperio

I noticed your request to get the name of the author of this source. I left this note there, on the tak pages

The more serious problem here is the gross violation of the copyright law. The text is, as given, the prof. Jenkins' text re-typed here and altered without the publisher or the author's permission

suggesting the source deletion. Hope, you'd support my proposal?—unsigned comment by 64.18.16.251 (talk) .

Yes I do [4]--BirgitteSB 17:07, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Rampant deletionism without clear consensus

Just a single example I thought I'd point out, since "some" of the works I know you supported deletion, but the majority of works fell under either "pre-1976 without copyright notice", and he's even deleted some works with very clear explicit releases in the very text. Sherurcij ^{(talk) (λεμα σαβαχθανει)} 03:55, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Hello Sherurcij. The texts you refer to as 'pre-1976 without copyright notice' were never legally published, so no copyright notice was required. I did not notice any with explicit releases; please point them out and I'll undelete them promptly. If you'd like to discuss further with me, please use my talk page or the community discussion page. :) —{admin} Pathoschild 04:30, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

I apologise if I do come off brusque, but I don't think we're exactly in disagreement on the issue. Neither side could demonstrate with any certainty, the status of the works, and they were then suddenly deleted...and the same is happening, if you look at November's archives of deletoins, with all kinds of documents. Osama bin Laden's OPEN LETTERS, with public domain translations, were similarly deleted with no consensus...in fact nobody had even mentioned deleting those Osama works...but now Wikisource doesn't host a single text by him, and even the author page has been deleted.

The trouble I see is a group of three editors who are obsessed with the belief that anything that doesn't fit inside their strict definition of "libre" doesn't belong on Wikisource, and they want it purged - and Wikisource suffers. Speeches are a good example of something that "might technically be copyrighted, but we consider it a grey area, if the author has never indicated any intention of enforcing copyright, we host it" - but now that too is being taken away...Of the three unnamed editors I refer to, they have contributed one document to Wikisource in the past couple months, while deleting incredible amounts in the name of "libre". Unfortunately, I see this leading Wikisource to a point where we really do only host "Poe, Swift and Twain", and US Federal documents - the past two months have seen incredible strides taken in deleting every text that a "average internet user" might be searching for - and reduced us to what is largely a collection of Victorian literature and US Federal works. 'sour face - anyhow, I appreciate the advice - I just hate to think that in a year, we'll all look back and go "Wow, remember when we used to have thousands of speeches hosted on here? Remember when we had the 9/11 transcripts that nobody has ever claimed copyright over? Remember when we had the Zodiac Killer letters? Remember when we were a resource, not a rabble of in-fighting?" - I've got thousands of edits over the past year, adding hundreds of texts, each of them texts that I've doublechecked with people on IRC before adding "Anybody think that there's any problem if I spend eight hours transcribing the conversations among the 9/11 hijackers?", and never had a problem...until now...and now, literally the majority of my work has been erased by a "Libre Lobby Group" intent on deletionist purges.

I point out that newmanbe campaigned for adminship saying he just wanted to be able to use the "Import" feature, but has since then been deleting more texts than all the other admins put together...and I get told that's a "personal attack".

I am fast losing my taste for spending hours a day creating texts not otherwise hosted on the internet for Wikisource, with the knowledge they'll be deleted anyways - and the past few days have seen me steadily returning to Wikipedia, and abandoning Wikisource - this is a great project with great potential, but I feel not entirely unlike the feeling upon discovering that your fiancee has been cheating on you...I cannot believe I wasted literally hours a day creating texts, scanning texts, going to the library to find texts, submitting a FOIA request to try and get texts, having friends and relatives create PD translations from Russian, Latin, French and German documents, sending money to Historical Archives for facsimiles of near-impossible-to-find texts...and all of this is just being deleted as "Well, you don't have w:Mohamed Atta's permission to host his "final instructions upon boarding the aircraft" or "Lee Harvey Oswald still holds the rights to his diary" or "Some of the Pentagon Papers aren't declassified, and thus don't fall under mandatory public domain" - which is a pity of course, because if you look at my contributions, they're the ones that have anonymous editors on the talk page who stumbled across them, they're the ones that you can find links to off of random blogs on the net of people going "Look what I found!", and now they'll be swept away by somebody who says it's alright, because we can replace them Some random University professor who is a GFDL activist who licensed his remarks to a convention nobody attended, under the GFDL and that'll be "just as good".

Wikisource's greatest problem is that it didn't have as clearly-defined an inclusion policy as it could have - and unfortunately this had led to the formation of a "Libre lobby group" which is going to whittle down the post-1923 non-US Fed'l texts to a collection more fitting of a Geocities page, than a Wikimedia project.

You, Zhaladsar, Danny, you've offered opinions on my efforts - sometimes positive, sometimes not, but I've always found myself respecting those opinions - they were based on your rational detached views, balancing WS, common sense, and law. That is the direction that I hope Wikisource returns towards, because if Newmanbe, Psychim and (to a lesser degree Pathos) have their way, Wikisource will be racing Wikiversity for the coveted title of "Least promising Wikiproject ever" Sherurcij ^{(talk) (λεμα σαβαχθανει)} 10:48, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Cloak request

My username on is BirgitteSB, my master IRC nickname is [Abbyiscute], and I would like the cloak wikisource/BirgitteSB. Thanks.--BirgitteSB 02:27, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Speeches

Thanks for your reply, I will do my best to address the concerns you raise in a more public forum as well as here. I have based my arguments around the idea of originality, that is to say that a "slavish copy" cannot qualify for copyright protection; this appears to be where you rejoined the discussion. The Court of Appeals case is based around the idea of publication, and states in two different ways that a speech is not considered to be "published" under U.S. copyright law. Although I have discussed this with Benn on IRC, it is not an argument which I have yet chosen to bring into the open on Wikisource. The treatment of speeches as unpublished works is much less amenable to simple guidelines like my proposal that "speeches be treated as any other literary work": however, I still feel that a treatment on the basis of 'who is the real author of the words' is the only way to go forward: I certainly do not believe that the mere fact of creating a transcription of a speech gives rise to a copyright. I will leave it to you to correct the minor factual errors in your contribution. Physchim62 15:53, 15 January 2007 (UTC)