Wikisource:Scriptorium/Help/Archives/2007

Please do not post any new comments on this page. This is a discussion archive first created in 2007, although the comments contained were likely posted before and after this date. See current discussion or the archives index.

How to change category page name?

I recently created a category structure into which standards documents can be placed.

In hindsight, I should have used a slightly different name for one of the categories.

How do I change the name of a page?

andrew8

You do not. You change everything that uses that category to the new name of the category, and put {{sdelete}} on the old page. --Benn Newman ^(AMDG) 23:45, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

VfD Template

Is there any template I can use for articles I'd like Voted for Deletion? -- Nevuchadnezzar 03:34, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

{{delete}} perhaps. Make sure you also list them at proposed deletions--BirgitteSB 15:28, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

China Category

China have two categories here on English Wikisource: Category:People's Republic of China and Category:China. What is the most correct? Lugusto ⁵⁵⁵ 16:27, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

That depends on whether you are talking about the People's Republic of China, the Republic of China now based in Taiwan, or ancient China. Both Category:People's Republic of China and Category:China have their values.--Jusjih 17:12, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Acrobat/pdf reader files?

I am new here. I am looking for a way to upload a pdf file. Can someone tell me how? Thanks. Copy Editor 15:04, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

There is no reason to upload PDF files to Wikisource. Why do you want to do so? Yann 16:07, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Delete category

There seems to be a pair of redundant categories Category:United States Federal Law and Category:United States federal legislation. The "federal legislation" category has only one article in it. I think it would be a good idea to move that one article to Category:United States Federal Law and delete Category:United States federal legislation. Is there a "Categories for Deletion" process, or something like it, here? Jwillbur 20:34, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

All deletions (templates, images, categories, etc.) go at Wikisource:Proposed deletions. I agree; those are redundant, and we only need one.—Zhaladshar ^(Talk) 21:23, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, Zhaladshar

Author:Swami Vivekananda

Works were added under the author page's that should be moved. I left a note on the contributor's talk page. --Benn Newman 00:06, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

This seems to have been taken care of. --Benn Newman 01:55, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

PDFs?

What is the procedure if we have a source in a PDF? Is there some way to upload it?JoshuaZ 15:08, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

We discourage local uploading of files in general. Why would you want to upload a pdf? For proofreading purposes?--BirgitteSB 15:31, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

You'll have to forgive me in that I'm not that familiar with Wikisource and my phrasing above may have been poor. I know that some source texts that were PDFs have been put on in the Wiki-consistent form. For example almost all the Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District have been in some way converted from PDFs. Is there any easy way to do that without just retyping the entire text? JoshuaZ 20:15, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

You are looking for a pdf extractor. I have heard of these, but have never seen one. Anyone else know more?--BirgitteSB 21:23, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Recent versions of OCR software can do it. Sometimes you can extract the text itself from the PDF with the "Select text" feature of Adobe Acrobat. Also, I think Open Office has a PDF import (although I don't know how good it is). Any decent software, though, seems like you have to buy.—Zhaladshar ^(Talk) 22:09, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

There is also a free tool, pdftotext from the xpdf suite. It extracts text accurately and tries to produce a sane formatting. The results are of a very varying nature, but you might just as well give it a try before spending real money.--GrafZahl 21:02, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll take a look. JoshuaZ 01:36, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Why would you want to upload a PDF? Because the source document is a PDF. Therefore it is faster and easier to load more PDF files than to go through a (potentially) error-prone process of converting PDF to text, which can result in errors. Simple KISS (keep it simple, silly). andrew8

There are several reasons why PDFs are not the optimal format for a project such as Wikisource, and why it's worthwhile to go through the process of conversion. The most obvious reason is that for a wiki, wiki markup is suited best (think of all the hyperlink capabilities of a wiki, for instance). More important, however, is the promise to our users to be able to freely copy and modify texts posted here. PDF, as a document format, performs poorly in these areas: it is hard to change the contents without the correct software, and furthermore PDF may contain DRM features the configuration and extent of which may not be easily discernible, giving a hard time singling out PDFs in violation of the GFDL.

All that being said, PDFs uploaded to the commons may be helpful during the proofreading process.--GrafZahl 12:05, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

If you have a PDF with free-use license, you should consider uploading it to Wikimedia Commons but not here. Earlier United Nations Resolutions are in PDFs. What would you think if I copy Template:PD-UN and its Chinese and French versions to Wikimedia Commons, upload the extractions of PDFs there as images, and use these images in Wikisource? Administrative Instruction ST/AI/189/Add.9/Rev.2 releases compilations of resolutions. If there are no significant objections, I would like to start uploading PDF extractions of United Nations General Assembly Resolution 505, United Nations General Assembly Resolution 2758, and their Chinese and French versions to Wikimedia Commons.--Jusjih 14:55, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

The Tragedy of Hamlet, Prince of Denmark

Act 1 Scene 5 is missing from the play and needs to be added! 07 October 2006

This was fixed. —{admin} Pathoschild 07:11:39, 06 May 2007 (UTC)

Please delete Disputed

Hi, I created two author pages (Author:Disputed and Author:Anonymous) to explain that the author of the hoax document The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion is disputed or anonymous. These seem like a good idea in general to allow the title to link the words in the author section at the top of the publication form. Alas, I first created the page Disputed, and depite following the instructions for removing content before a move to an exisiting page, I cannot get rid of Disputed. Could someone simply delete it please? Thanks.--Cberlet 16:05, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

That page has already been deleted. You can request that a page you created be deleted by adding "{{sdelete|Author's request}}" to the page. :) —{admin} Pathoschild 00:06, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hi, I deleted Disputed. When you pick a wrong title, you can also use the "move" feature. However, since these pages merely contain explanations of the terms, I would rather suggest to also delete Author:Disputed and Author:Anonymous, and interwikilink to, e.g., w:Anonymous or w:Anonymus in texts, add the pages to Category:Anonymous texts and maybe have some index page in the Wikisource: namespace, instead of using the Author: namespace. For "disputed" works, it might be worthwhile to create a category such as Category:Works whose authorship is disputed.--GrafZahl 00:10, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Move

Are there any move templetes or instructions on how to move an article to another title?--Sefringle 04:16, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

At the bottom (or top, depending on skin), you'll see a link named "Move this page"[1], which will allow you to move the page to a more appropriate title, and automatically create a redirect. Sherurcij ^{(talk) (λεμα σαβαχθανει)} 06:01, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Bible

Is it acceptable (or advisable) to add footnotes to the Bible. Some passages refer to other passages, some words can be translated in different ways, and so on. If it is acceptable, which book would I use? --H2g2bob 14:30, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm not entirely sure what you mean. Wikilinks may be placed in accordance with WS:STYLE#Wikilinks. Beyond that, you may want to have a look at WS:WWI#Translations or Wikisource:Annotations.--GrafZahl 15:48, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Annotations was what I was getting at, with the results something like The Annotated Strange Case Of Dr Jekyll And Mr Hyde. It appears to be appropriate if created as a new document, but I think I'll have a bit more of a think about how and if before starting it. --H2g2bob 16:52, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

• There are generally three types of annotations in Biblical translations. 1) MSS notes - which may indicate disparities between the manuscripts and alternative textual readings 2)translators notes, where a word or phrase can be translated in a different manner giving a different reading (of course anything can be translated in a slightly different way - so this is only where the choice might be significant and the translator is acknowledging the validity of an alternative choice. 3) Cross-reference nots which may be a) indicating another passage that the author is quoting or alluding to b) indicating another passage which the translator or annotator believes to be on a similar theme (can be chain-references) 4)Pure commentary - dealing with the meaning of the text. 1,2 and 3b are reasonable straight forward - with 3c and 4 we are moving from text to commentary and he scope is unlimited and pretty subjective.--Doc glasgow 19:14, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Copyright Status Questiion

What is the copyright status of this work? Rays Of Positive Electricity by :J.J. Thomson (d:1940) published in Great Britain in 1913. Here's the Title Page.

Thanks.

Kkmurray 15:24, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

He was British, so this work should be public domain as of 1 January 2011, see [2].--GrafZahl 15:39, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Darkness

I don't know if here is the best place for ask for it, but please add the pt:As Trevas as interwiki on the Darkness (protected page). Lugusto 05:08, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Done. You can also ask on the talk page; I watchlist all featured texts. —{admin} Pathoschild 05:23:46, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Nantoreturns (talk • contribs)

I can assure you that this user is a sockpuppet of w:User:Jj0909jj (I've blocked about 4 at en-Wikipedia). He/she will upload warning images from Windows applications, replace the images in current templates with them, create random user pages (of other users) and do things such as welcome him/herself. I assure you, you don't want this guys subtle vandalism around. I'll confirm my account on my talk page at Wikipedia if there area any questions. John Reaves 08:09, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Apparently the user did some strange uploads and page moves and was blocked by Shanel. I don't know if Shanel saw this or was just reacting to Recent Changes. For future reference, there is a Adminstrators noticeboard.--BirgitteSB 20:10, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Ooops, didn't see the AN. Thanks for the response. John Reaves 00:23, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Other version

I noticed on the French and Italian Wikisource there are templates for interlinking different versions of the same text. This is of most use with translations where there may be several versions or with traditional stories of which several versions exist. There are dozens of Little Red Riding-Hoods, though english-language wikisource only seems to have two at the moment. Is there a way to do this on this subdomain similar to fr:template:AutreVersion? That template creates a link on the side under links to other languages.--Metal.lunchbox 01:29, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Shouldn't be hard (see User:GrafZahl/monobook.js for similar JavaScript magic). I only need to find the time to implement it :)--GrafZahl (talk) 08:35, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

We definitely need to have a get-together with the French WS. They have an amazing number of cool little tools. Yeah, if we ever get a whole lot of translations of one work, something like this would be fantastic to add to the sidebar (in my opinion).—Zhaladshar ^(Talk) 18:12, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

God Sees the Truth, But Waits and Exiled to Siberia would be a fair example of this, though I can't help but think it'd be nicer to have a more "noticeable" template than on the sidebar...those language interwikis just seem to get lost :\ Sherurcij ^{(talk) (λεμα σαβαχθανει)} 18:43, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

->Zhaladshar: Sure, I welcome a get-together with the French WS. On French WS, everything and everybody is cool, not just our little tools. ;o)) Yann 20:41, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Adding Stuff

I found a website with free books and I contacted them so see if it was okay for adding the stuff to WikiSource or WikiBooks and they said that the content of their website is open for whatever a person wishes to do with the content on the website. I just wanted to make sure that doing this is okay since I am new to Wikisource. If you could please email me via my user page, that would be excellent. Also when you e-mail me I can give you the URL. I can also show you the e-mail that was sent to me.

Thanks,

Skunkmaster 18:59, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

RARE Book with Missing Pages Please Help!

Hello, I have posted scans of a rare book on Commons for inclusion on de.Wikisource, and free translation on en.wikisource. (This work has never been translated into English!) However, there are missing pages. The only place (in the US, and only a handful elsware in the world) that seems to have a copy of the book is Harvard Library, on microfilm. However, the work is non-circulating, so I cannot request it though Inter-Library Loan (ILL). Only Harvard students (or alumni) on campus may request the work. I need someone to get their hands on microfilm-photocopies of the missing pages, scan them, and upload them to commons, or email them to me.

Title: Die Liebe und die Befehrung

Author: I. Lichtenstein.

Publisher: Heft III (Budapest, 1886)

Language: German

Missing Pages: p5, p34 and all subsequent pages.

I'd be enormously thankful for any assistance the Wikisource community could render. —Wikijeff 17:11, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

I assume you've phoned Harvard and enquired about getting facsimile copies of the book's pages? I've gotten that from a few University libraries, they tend to charge "more" than normal photocopies (like 20-50 cents a page), but still easily worthwhile for that "hard to acquire" stuff. I imagine Harvard must have some form of similar thing, wherein you could pay an amount to have library staff print out the microforms for you. Sherurcij ^{Collaboration of the Week: Author:Wilhelm II} 19:01, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Author pages

I noticed that several author pages are showing up in the author category main page instead of its subcategories but I can't anything in the author pages themselves which would lead to this. Can anyone help? Wild Wolf 00:53, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

This may be linked to one of the transcluded templates. One thing that I do notice about that list is that they are all ancient authors. Eclecticology 04:42, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

I believe it is happening for authors with a date of birth between 0 AD and 601 AD, or something similar. I'm investigating the logic in Template:Author. John Vandenberg 05:19, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

I've made a change to {{What era is}} which should fix it, and appears to fix the entries that are currently in there. Those pages will move out of the category once the database has caught up. However it might place a different set of authors into that Category. We'll need to keep an eye on this. John Vandenberg 05:31, 5 December 2007 (UTC)