User talk:DutchTreat

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Hello, DutchTreat, and welcome to Wikisource! Thank you for joining the project. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

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Again, welcome! Beeswaxcandle (talk) 21:19, 30 June 2013 (UTC)


We have a template exactly for the purpose that you desire {{small scan link}}. — billinghurst sDrewth 13:01, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip! -- DutchTreat (talk) 23:34, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Textinfo template[edit]

Hi, We don't need to add the Textinfo template to works that were proofread from scans in the Index: and Page: namespaces. This is because the information is already available on the Index: page. It's only needed on works that have been copy/pasted from another source such as Project Gutenberg. Best, Beeswaxcandle (talk) 10:07, 2 August 2013 (UTC)


Hi again, I see you've got Stendahl's The Red and the Black on your to do list. It's on mine as well. Let me know when you're ready to work on it and we can collaborate on getting it loaded, proofread and validated. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 10:15, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

I look forward to it! DutchTreat (talk) 10:31, 2 August 2013 (UTC)


Hi, you seem to know what you're doing, so I've made you Autopatrolled. All this really means is that your edits are no longer highlighted on Special:RecentChanges and watchlists, but congratulations anyway. - AdamBMorgan (talk) 17:23, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for the vote of confidence. I'll do my best to help the community prosper. -- DutchTreat (talk) 11:04, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Diaries of Court Ladies[edit]

As a relatively new editor here, you may want to look at some of the correction I made to your proofreading of Page:Diaries of Court Ladies of Old Japan.djvu/136, and note some of the common mistakes you seem to be making, such as spacing between paragraphs, and not combining the lines from a common paragraph. --EncycloPetey (talk) 00:47, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for the suggestions. - DutchTreat (talk) 00:57, 9 August 2013 (UTC)


Hi DutchTreat, thanks :-) Hope you will subscribe to the wikisource mailing list and the meta:Wikisource Community User Group, if you are interested. For the diagrams, I use Lucidchart, it is now in the Google Doc suite (it should be, at least). --Aubrey (talk) 09:37, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Perfect! Thanks for the pointer on drawing software. I just added my name to the list for the user group. Let me know how I can help. DutchTreat (talk) 10:34, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Wikisource meetup at Wikimania 2014[edit]

Wikimania 2014 will be held in London this August and it will be a great opportunity to discuss how to use the recently created Wikisource Community User Group to coordinate and to better promote Wikisource. We would like to invite the participants of each Wikisource language community to showcase the projects has been working in the past year and, of course, learn from each other experiences. See you there? Sign up in the meeting page.
The preceding MassMessage was sent by Micru to the members of the Wikisource Community User Group according to this delivery list (sorry the duplication if you already received the message through the ws mailing list).--MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 09:55, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Automated import of openly licensed scholarly articles[edit]

Hello DutchTreat,

We are putting together a proposal about the automated import of openly licensed scholarly articles, and since you are an active Wikisourceror, we'd appreciate yourcomments on the Scriptorium. For convenience, I'm copying our proposal here:

The idea of systematically importing openly licensed scholarly articles into Wikisource has popped up from time to time. For instance, it formed the core of WikiProject Academic Papers and is mentioned in the Wikisource vision. However, the Wikiproject relied on human power, never reached its full potential, and eventually became inactive. The vision has yet to materialise.
We plan to bridge the gap through automation. We are a subset of WikiProject Open Access (user:Daniel Mietchen, user:Maximilanklein, user:MattSenate), and we have funding from the Open Society Foundations via Wikimedia Deutschland to demo suitable workflows at Wikimania (see project page).
Specifically, we plan to import Open Access journal articles into Wikisource when they are cited on Wikipedia. The import would be performed by a group of bots intended to make reference handling more interoperable across Wikimedia sites. Their main tasks are:
  • (on Wikipedia) signalling which references are openly licensed, and link them to the full text on Wikisource, the media on Commons and the metadata on Wikidata;
  • (on Commons) importing images and other media associated with the source article;
  • (on Wikisource) importing the full text of the source article and embedding the media in there;
  • (on Wikidata) handling the metadata associated with the source article, and signalling that the full text is on Wikisource and the media on Commons.
These Open Access imports on Wikisource will be linked to and from other Wikimedia sister sites. Our first priority though will be linking from English Wikipedia, focusing on the most cited Open Access papers, and the top-100 medical articles.
In order to move forward with this, we need
  • General community approval
  • Community feedback on workflows and scrutiny on our test imports in specific.
  • Bot permission. For more technical information read our bot spec on Github.

Maximilianklein (talk) 18:26, 20 June 2014 (UTC)


Hello DutchTreat. I updated your common.js page to the latest version of TemplateScript. This is a very minor update, so you shouldn't see much difference. If you notice any problems or have questions, let me know! :) —Pathoschild 02:43, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi again! I edited your common.js to migrate the obsolete regex menu framework to TemplateScript. The main difference you'll see is an improved regex editor and cleaner custom scripts. I also updated deprecated functions and made your scripts HTTPS-compatible. Let me know if anything breaks. :) —Pathoschild 01:12, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
@Pathoschild: When I go into edit mode from my browser (FF 40), I'm not seeing any of my former cleanup scripts, just "Custom regex". Can you suggest what I can try to correct this? Thanks for the help! - DutchTreat (talk) 00:22, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
Please try clearing your browser cache and editing Page:Notes and Queries - Series 1 - Volume 1.djvu/11. You should see your scripts under the TemplateScript sidebar (see screenshot) — are they there? If not, do you see any errors in the JavaScript console? —Pathoschild 15:27, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
@Pathoschild: Sorry, unluck after clearing the browser cache. I see no errors in the JavaScript console. I'm getting the same problem from two different machines. DutchTreat (talk) 23:48, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
Alright, time to bring out the big guns!
  1. Edit Page:Notes and Queries - Series 1 - Volume 1.djvu/11.
  2. Open the JavaScript console.
  3. Run this command in the console prompt. In Firefox, the prompt is a textbox at the bottom of the console next to ».
  4. This will add a big block of text to the console, beginning with <source and ending with </source>. Send me that text (you can paste it here or email me, whichever you prefer).
Pathoschild 04:05, 09 September 2015 (UTC)
@Pathoschild: Found it! Scripts were blocked. I use a FF add-in for blocking JavaScript from unknown sites. I added to the whitelist and then Templatescript appeared. Thank you for all the help! Mystery solved. - DutchTreat (talk) 23:10, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

1911 Encyclopædia Britannica and Gutenberg[edit]

Hi Dutchtreat, thanks for your edits to 1911 Encyclopædia Britannica. I've found it very helpful to use the already-proofed text from Gutenberg (e.g. view-source: as a basis for proofing in Wikisource. I used that link to proof the page Vol 17 p.879 on Mathematics. I use a macro in Notepad++ to convert HTML style markup to Wikisource style, and italicize variables (which aren't in the Gutenberg version). About half of the EB1911 (articles Andros to Mecklenberg) is available as proofed text. It has saved me time! Keep up the good work! DivermanAU (talk) 01:43, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

@DivermanAU: Thanks for the pointer and productivity tip. I was aware of the Gutenberg text, but have been a little concerned that this method of copy/paste might propogates human errors. It has the potential of increasing my efficiency (especially when dealing with Greek characters), so I will give it serious thought. DutchTreat (talk) 10:14, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
@DutchTreat: I use the Gutenberg text as a basis (not as a guarantee of 100% accuracy); I still do a compare (with the "Show Changes" button) to see if the scanned text in Wikisource has a better representation than the text I've copied from Gutenberg. It's quite rare, but sometimes the Gutenberg text has errors, but is very good. Some of the earlier Gutenberg articles (mostly articles starting with A or B) didn't have a space between initials (e.g. "J.S. Smith" where it should be "J. S. Smith"). One other thing to be aware of is that the Gutenberg version doesn't use an ndash for year ranges (e.g. it has "1901-1902" instead of "1901–1902". The ndash is the first character in the "Wiki markup" options when editing. I also use the images from Gutenberg to submit into Wikimedia Commons and then use in Wikisource e.g.
As for Greek text, I just wrap the html characters in a Greek template, then when I do "Show preview" - copy the literal Greek characters to the Wikisource (or copy directly from the Gutenberg page. It's not crucial, but I delete the class="grk" so that
<span class="grk" title="kolos">& #954;& #972;& #955;& #959;& #962;</span> (Gutenberg) becomes: (I had to add a space between & and # here only for display purposes)
<span title="kólos">κόλος</span> (Wikisource)
This retains the transliteration when you hover the mouse over the Greek text. If you're really keen, use to update the transliteration (sometimes the Gutenberg version doesn't have the extra diacritics). Using that website Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ λόγος transliterates as "En archē̂i ē̂n ho lógos". Hover over the Greek characters in the previous sentence to see the effect.
A few other conversions from Gutenberg are needed, smallcaps — convert class="sc" to the small-caps template; superscripts and subscripts need converting, "sidenotes" need converting to the "EB1911 Shoulder Heading" etc. Tables can also be converted, you can convert e.g. class=tcl to the equivalent Template:Table style {{ts|pl.5|pr.5|al}} You can see which HTML classes are used in Gutenberg at the top of the page when doing a "View Source". Enjoy! Feel free to ask me any questions you may have. DivermanAU (talk) 18:35, 13 January 2017 (UTC)