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Again, welcome! — billinghurst sDrewth 01:47, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

Contribution moved[edit]

Hi. I moved an addition of yours to something more aligned with how we would display such a page within the context of its publication. We would also normally work with image scans for proofreading, and display those as explained in the help pages linked above.

@Hrishikes: Could you please work with the contributor to get A Statistical Account of Bengal and the scans of the work. I see that we have volume six as an index page, and presumably the others are available somewhere. — billinghurst sDrewth 01:50, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

@Billinghurst: https://books.google.co.in/books?id=moOMnsFqenYC I'll add the index tonight. Hrishikes (talk) 03:17, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
@Billinghurst: Index:A Statistical Account of Bengal Vol 1.djvu. @Samiur Rahman, Please proofread and transclude, instead of direct entry of text. This site is moving towards scan-backed texts, so that the readers can verify the authenticity of our texts. Hrishikes (talk) 05:55, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
ok, i did a first page here Page:A Statistical Account of Bengal Vol 1.pdf/10. you need to paginate your index, and then cut and paste your work on each page, and then replace you preface with a <pages> Help:Transclusion. - see also Help:Beginner's guide to Index: files. it is a little complicated to get started, but it makes a better work. Slowking4SvG's revenge 18:00, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
ok, i have transcluded the pages here A Statistical Account of Bengal/Preface. the ocr text layer seems to have a problem, but i leave further work to you. Slowking4SvG's revenge 19:05, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

Move pages[edit]

Hello, please move A Statistical Account of Bengal/District of the 24 Parganas
to
A Statistical Account of Bengal, Volume I./District of 24 Parganás/Geography and General Aspect
and
A Statistical Account of Bengal/Preface
to
A Statistical Account of Bengal, Volume I./Preface to A Statistical Account of Bengal, Volume I.
Thank you. Samiur Rahman 2017 (talk) 12:39, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

we would not move these pages to those suggested titles. Firstly we do not use roman numerals, and we would always have the parent name of the work at the root, not a mention of a volume. We can sometimes utilise "Volume n" as a second level, eg. A Statistical Account of Bengal/Volume 1, though often there is not the need when the chapters are all uniquely named, and it is not a serial publication. It also depends on how we wish to and can navigate a work. As it is a more complex work, it would need a proper inspection to give that recommendation, and for that I do not have the immediate time. — billinghurst sDrewth 21:18, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
Okay, we are talking a sizeable number of volumes here, I can see at least 19 volumes. There is a difference to how a paper book is published, and to how we publish. We want our works to be available to search engines (internal and external) and for search results to make someone visit. We also need to be aware of the length of a title, and not having it overly long, and still be ineffective. So we will reproduce text, we may not cannot completely replicate the production of the work from its paper form. I am looking at https://archive.org/stream/in.ernet.dli.2015.38646/2015.38646.A-Statistical-Account-Of-Bengal--Vol19#page/n15/mode/2up as an example of what is to come. I see no value in using volume in the title as something like .../Volume 19/District of Puri/...(other subpages) is not as useful as straight into the name subdivision. I can see that there are prefaces per volume, so I can see the value in .../Preface to Volume 1 or some variation of that. I really recommend that this should be looked at in the scope of all the volumes of the work, and that may be slightly daunting. I also see true value of considering this as a project looking at the size of the work. — billinghurst sDrewth 21:37, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

A Statistical Account of Bengal and Assam[edit]

Please do not create works which do not actually exist. This was actually two separate series. Hrishikes (talk) 17:56, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

help the newbie, do not upbraid them. Slowking4SvG's revenge 18:01, 6 November 2017 (UTC)


A Statistical Account of Bengal Vol 1[edit]

Hi, I made minor edits on page vii and ix of Index:A Statistical Account of Bengal Vol 1.djvu. Where can I find the OCRed text of the rest of the book so I can use it as a basis for proofreading? Thanks. Samiur Rahman 2017 (talk) 22:59, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

Generally best to keep conversations on the one page. If you want to get my attention, please use {{ping}}. Also a good space for help from the community is WS:Scriptorium/Help where each person here is active, and will usually get first person available response. — billinghurst sDrewth 23:50, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
Hmm, there isn't a text layer, unusual, though not irretrievable. In your toolbar there should be an OCR icon that will quickly OCR the page. I will do a string of pages to assist. — billinghurst sDrewth 23:52, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
@Billinghurst:Hi, I did some edits. But where did you get the digitization? It's a bit bad. Did you see the whole page of digitizations I made available?: Talk:A Statistical Account of Bengal Samiur Rahman 2017 (talk) 00:55, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
That was the copy that someone uploaded. As it is still in the early stage of this transcription, we can upload another and match or move pages. Which of the scans that you found do you think is the best? — billinghurst sDrewth 10:53, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
I have replaced the pdf file with a djvu of one that you identified. See how that progresses. — billinghurst sDrewth 11:30, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
@Billinghurst: How can I upload digitisations of all the other volumes? Samiur Rahman 2017 (talk) 14:19, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

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@Billinghurst: Your djvu file lacks the frontispiece. That's why I had not chosen it. Hrishikes (talk) 14:41, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

We needed a text layer, and can "steal a frontispiece". I will have to leave it with you, I am time poor at the moment. — billinghurst sDrewth 21:20, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
@Billinghurst:@Hrishikes:Hi. I remember seeing a portal for all the volumes of the work, meant for coordinating the transcription work. I think that's where Billinghurst saw 19 volumes. But I can't fined it anymore. Where is it?Samiur Rahman 2017 (talk) 23:32, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
@Samiur Rahman: Your list is here: Talk:A Statistical Account of Bengal. There are 20 volumes of Bengal series and 2 vols of Assam series. I have already added Vols 6 and 20. @Billinghurst: The volumes from the Digital Library of India have been recently added to IA, when the DLI site closed down for maintenance. Those have no djvu and no text layer. If pdf files are 10 MB or more, djvu conversion by IA upload often fails. So I transferred the pdf file to Commons. I considered the presence of the FP as more important, because I am accustomed to proofread non-ocred pages (e.g. Index:Researches on Irritability of Plants.djvu and others), there being many ways to fetch the ocr. But yes, I understand that the text layer is important to some editors. And Samiur, if you wish, I can add the other vols here, this time with ocr layer, no problem. You please check the vols at Google Books (there are multiple copies per vol) and Internet Archive (including the DLI set), and identify the copies where all pages, frontispiece, other images seem to be present and the scan is properly legible. Don't worry about the presence of ocr layer, that I can create offline. You give me the checked list, I'll add them here. If a few pages are still missing, that can be resolved later. I am busy with other works, so cannot spare the time for checking the copies myself. Hrishikes (talk) 00:57, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
I have added the FP: Page:A Statistical Account of Bengal Vol 1.djvu/9. Hrishikes (talk) 01:48, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
@Samiur: Here's my two cents about how to transclude it. I am doing another such series. There should be a series root page (e.g. The Mythology of All Races), and a volume root page (e.g. The Mythology of All Races/Volume 6 (Indian and Iranian)). Subpages should be assigned to the series root page (e.g. The Mythology of All Races/Indian Mythology). Volume specific subpages (like volume-specific preface) should be assigned to the volume root page. That's a personal opinion only. Hrishikes (talk) 04:27, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

Converting PDF to djvu[edit]

@Billinghurst: Hi. Which tool did you use to convert Index:A Statistical Account of Bengal Vol 1.djvu from PDF to djvu? Thanks. Samiur Rahman 2017 (talk) 15:45, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

I didn't use any tool, I just downloaded straight from archive.org. toollabs:ia-upload can take other formats fro IA and convert and upload to Comons as djvu. — billinghurst sDrewth 23:05, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Transcription help[edit]

@Billinghurst: Will you see what the problem with this page is? Page:A Statistical Account of Bengal Vol 1 GoogleBooksID 9WEOAAAAQAAJ.pdf/30 Thank you. Samiur Rahman 2017 (talk) 18:59, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

Index:A Statistical Account of Bengal Vol 14 GoogleBooksID c44BAAAAQAAJ.pdf and others[edit]

I've been finding a small number of duplicated pages in these, whilst I am assuming good faith it would be appreciated if you could examine these files in more detail, to ensure Wikisource and Commons has good quality scans of this work in contrast to the Google Books scans with duplicated pages?

Thanks.

ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 14:02, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

Hmm... Not as much of an issue as I first thought on reviewing. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 14:55, 16 November 2017 (UTC)