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No. of pages in Page: = 3,315,689
No. validated in Page: = 654,564
No. proofread in Page: = 1,295,395
No. not proofread in Page: = 1,066,124
No. problematic in Page: = 45,818
No. of validated works = 6,510
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with transclusions = 409,888
% transcluded pages in Main = 66.18
Σ pages in Main

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Category:External links on protected pages & Category:Templates used in Mediawiki namespace

We have a bit of a maintenance issue in that external links in protected templates and mediawiki: ns are being missed when we are updating links. To assist, I have created the above parent tracking category to label such pages. We obviously cannot use it on Mediawiki: pages, so will have to be content with putting it on the corresponding talk page. I am working through creating subcats for each WMF tool that I find as they are more likely need to be what is changed, and will do some checks. I will note that as some of these pages use conditional code or includeonly so may be a little tricky to find by searching. [Reminder to not unnecessarily hide things to just avoid visual errors in non-display namespaces or ugly display code.] I am hoping that this will also allow us to check these a little more easily as we have suffered some link rot. I think that we may also need to put some checking categories on these so we can at least check these yearly, though haven't got that far and welcome people's thoughts.

I have also identified that we have had some templates transcluded to the mediawiki: ns that have not been protected. Can I express that any such templates need to be fully protected. If you are using a template within another template, then all subsidiary templates also need to be protected. Noting that it often it can be safest to simply use html span and div code and embedded css.

On that note, if we are protecting templates, it is better practice to use separate {{documentation}} so the docs can readily updated without someone asking for editing of protected templates. This is not pointing fingers, as some of these are old static pages that don't readily get traffic, and reflect older generation practices.

I welcome any suggestions/feedback here, and any help perusing of the template: and mediawiki: namespaces for targets. — billinghurst sDrewth 08:39, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

Seems we already have Category:MediaWiki namespace templates, I will transition to that and update categories. — billinghurst sDrewth 10:07, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

Download button vs. download sidebar

I’m reporting this here because I think an administrator needs to fix a page. The download features in the sidebar don’t do the same thing as the “download” button which floats to the right of the title; see, e.g., here, where the “Download” button gets the whole book, and the download sidebar features only get a list of the books. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 20:15, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

@TE(æ)A,ea.: I don't know why nobody followed up on this issue back in February. Possibly it's because it's a somewhat technical issue and we're a little short on technically-minded admins. In any case: apologies for dropping the ball on this one! Could you retest the issue you originally saw to verify it still behaves the way you observed then? I suspect there may have been intervening changes.

@Samwilson: Using the Download button to download a PDF on the page TE(æ)A,ea. links above gives me a PDF with all the auxtoc pages but none of the actual chapters. Can you tell what's going on there? Xover (talk) 06:29, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

• Xover: Now, both options are broken. I suspect your removal of the hidden ToC is to blame. Having reverted that change, the issue is reversed: the “download” button gets only the list of books, while the sidebar gets the whole book. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 16:20, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

  @TE(æ)A,ea., @Xover: I would've said that the sidebar links and the button are the same links, but they're not it seems:

  • Button: https://ws-export.wmcloud.org/?format=epub&lang=en&page=The_Wings_of_the_Dove_(New_York%3A_Charles_Scribner%27s_Sons%2C_1902)
  • Sidebar: https://ws-export.wmcloud.org/?format=epub&lang=en&page=The_Wings_of_the_Dove_%28New_York%3A_Charles_Scribner%27s_Sons%2C_1902%29

  And indeed, the output differs. It's also different from the CLI tool's output with an unencoded title. I'll have a look at fixing this. Sam Wilson 07:59, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

Index:Studies in constitutional law Fr-En-US (1891).pdf

The original upload of this file had many pages removed, for some reason (separate from the two missing pages, which have been added). The following pages need to be moved:

• /2–/12 up 5
• /13–/15 up 6
• /16 up 7
• /17–/65 up 8
• /66 up 9
• /67–/149 up 10
• /150 up 11
• /151–/185 up 12
• /186 up 13
• /187–/192 up 14
• /193 up 19

The large swath of pages marked “Problematic” is, I believe, owing to the confused state of the pages. I’ll look over them after the move to see if they need to be changed in any respect. In addition, /31 and /32 can be deleted. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 01:35, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

@TE(æ)A,ea.: Done Xover (talk) 05:49, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

• Xover: Thank you. For those pages, delete /158, /159, /161, /196, and /197, and move /163–/195 up two. They can then all be marked as proofread. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 16:20, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

Possible sockpuppet accounts

Based on their editing style, I believe that ALPHATMINJO (talk • contribs) and Natella1995 (talk • contribs) are the same person using undisclosed sockpuppet accounts. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:03, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Change to proofreading colors

If you go to proofread a page, the colors of the buttons have changed (they’re now so washed out as to be unreadable). This is being discussion here, as well, but I thought it important enough to bring to the attention of administrators. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 14:34, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Adding your voice, explaining the problem, in the Scriptorium is probably more useful. That is the discussion that was linked from the Phabricator ticket, so that is where developers will look to see what the issue is, how it has impacted the community, and what (if anything) to do about it. --EncycloPetey (talk) 18:31, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Proposed block for User:C. A. Russell

Proposed block for User:C. A. Russell:

• Making changes contrary to policy and without discussion
• Then reverting others, accusing them of doing the very same thing: [1]; [2]
• Reverting admin edits that align with established policy: [3], then claiming that such policy-aligned edits are a "substantial change being introduced needs proposal/discussion"

This editor's pattern of editing and interaction seems deliberately confrontational. The user was previously blocked for uncivil comments, and upon return resumed the same problematic editing from before the block. We still have no explanation of the no Gricing allowed edit. --EncycloPetey (talk) 19:10, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

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Please stop—please stop the obstructionist/adversarial edits, and please stop the misleading, heavyhanded, uncharitable mischaracterizations about the history and intentions of someone you're in a conflict with.

Please do reach for arguments that hold up under scrutiny because of their merits rather than because A is saying it, and A is an admin, etc.

We had and continue to have two templates/categories for pages where we a way to locate the material from which a given transcription was created:

• Category:Texts without a source (populated by template:no source) for "works which do not have a declared source"
• Category:Texts without a scan (populated by template:no scan) for works without "a scanned copy of the edition from which it was transcribed"

Your unilateral changes to this template back in August are substantial. If we are to take your comments in the original discussion that precipitated my proposal for an interaction ban between the two of us at face value, then this change amounts to a change in the prescription for how the templates are used, and renders the distinction between these categories null. If we take instead your newest comments at face value, then we still end up with people almost certainly misunderstanding the prescription and tagging Category:Texts without a source/{{no source}} things that should be tagged Category:Texts without a scan/{{no scan}}.

If you want to change the text of the template, then please, by all means make clear what your reasons are, stick to the same argument, and let folks weigh the argument on its merits and weigh in after you propose the change first on the template talk page. -- C. A. Russell (talk) 20:55, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Everything you've just said applies to you. Your edits and comments suggest that you intend to make rules for others, without following them yourself. This is part of what "deliberately confrontational" means. It also covers your repeated refusal to answer direct questions, such as: What does "no Gricing allowed" mean? --EncycloPetey (talk) 21:04, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Comment: Based on the blocking policy, the only justification for a block would be excessive reverts and as both parties to this dispute are engaged in this I do not support a block at this time. In respect of the underlying issue, this is not the venue for the discussion on the differences between no scan and no source. Come up with a concrete proposal for how the two should look and be distinguished and put it in the Proposals section of the Scriptorium. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 21:36, 21 September 2024 (UTC)