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Hello, Samwilson, welcome to Wikisource! Thanks for your interest in the project; we hope you'll enjoy the community and your work here.

Please take a glance at our help pages (especially Adding texts and Wikisource's style guide). Most questions and discussions about the community are in the Scriptorium.

The Community Portal lists tasks you can help with if you wish. If you have any questions, feel free to contact me on my talk page.

Cowardly Lion 01:39, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Re: CSS classes and the Style Guide[edit]

Re: CSS classes and the Style Guide at my talk page: I have no news on which of the CSS classes such as lefttext and prose should be used. --Dan Polansky (talk) 22:27, 6 September 2008 (UTC)


Strange to have just found you after all this time. I'm in Freo too. If you need anything, shout out. Hesperian 13:30, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Yes, Fremantle is such a little town in wiki terms, surely we should've stumbled upon one another earlier. But hurrah to know there's another local here! If you're ever up for espousing a south-of-the-river meetup (WP, I mean) to the rest of the Perthians, I'm all for it; not that the current plans for the next meetup seem to be going anywhere fast. — Sam Wilson ( TalkContribs ) … 09:24, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
In case you're not aware: Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Meetup/Perth/5. Hesperian 13:23, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Not sure what you did ...[edit]

... in the Index environment to Index:Miscellaneous Papers on Mechanical Subjects.djvu however, it was behaving weirdly when edited. Anyway, I have done a tidy up and it now shows. It looks as though it may be a little quirky with direct editing with regard to spaces and the like. — billinghurst sDrewth 13:35, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

I guess it was something to do with changing the djvu file (removing pages). Thanks for cleaning it up. — Sam Wilson ( TalkContribs ) … 00:28, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Tracking edits[edit]

Have a look at something Index:Picturesque_Nepal.djvu and Special:RecentChangesLinked/Index:Picturesque Nepal.djvu which is best contemporaneous to the edit period. On occasions of bothering I can record some of those stats on one of my subpages. — billinghurst sDrewth 14:49, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Ah, so no super-groovy tool somewhere then.  :-) Thanks! — Sam Wilson ( TalkContribs ) … 00:40, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Index:Base Facilities Report.djvu[edit]

Hi SamWilson.
Done the best I can validating this. Stuck on one remaining page with just too much indecipherable text to honestly validate. Current state of Page:Base Facilities Report.djvu/38 is my best guess at (some of) the missing text.
Overall note: Many (but not all) of the pages had overstruck (cancelled) SECRET classifications which I have inserted on the basis this would have been original text )always at the bottom of the page if present at all; alignment varies.)
  • Please remove these if you think they are inappropriate &/or confuse things (or better yet: any thoughts as to how to represent the DECLASSIFIED overstamps?)
  • Apologies for my badly-thought-out template modification and reversion. You had the style basically right, so I put in exceptions for the sections which did not fit. (Never ever thought I'd be able to use {{hanging indent|0|...}} legitimately!)
Regards, MODCHK (talk) 06:34, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Oh, it looks great! Thank you for doing all that! The SECRET text looks fine; there's only so far we should go in duplicating the layout of the original, after all. I don't think the DECLASSIFIED needs to be there; if you want it, though, go for it (and I reckon it could just be added to the template). Or just a note at in the {{header}}. Or however you see fit. :-)

I tried to do a bit of work on the printable view, but it's tricky (as always when printing HTML) so I rather gave up.

(Oh, and in the envelope for that item in the State Library of WA there is a sheet of paper with the Wikisource logo and address of the work.  :-) I don't know anything about how it got there... hehe...)

Sam Wilson ( TalkContribs ) … 08:05, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

An "Infobox"?[edit]

I've added a kind of explanation regarding the secret/overstamps in a box below the Contents per (one of) your suggestion(s). Hope this is not too wrong?
Is there anything about the provenance of the document itself which should be added to this?
Speaking of wrong: If you follow the Author link (to United States Navy) you end up here, and the first back link on that page comes back to the Base Facilities Report correctly, yet carries the date 1946, whereas the actual report states 1944.
As I am not the expert, would you mind correcting the reference. (Or was the report frozen somehow for two years? Maybe 1946 was the actual year of declassification?)
Finally, what did you have in mind regarding "the printable view"? Did you intend stringing all the pages together into a single transcluded table, as the way you've written the templates suggests that...? But then some clumsy oaf like me has probably wrecked your careful sequencing!
Regards, MODCHK (talk) 11:10, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
The infobox looks good; it could be added to the notes section of Base Facilities Report too perhaps. As for the source etc. all I have to go on is the library catalogue page [1] (to which I put a link on the talk page of the report). I'm sure an original of this report exists somewhere (in the US?) so it'd certainly be good to track that down.
I've fixed the incorrect date. And I also am no expert! Not by a long shot.  :-) So feel free to change anything to see that is wrong.
As for printing, I think it's probably not worth worrying about too much; there aren't going to be that many people wanting to print that, I wouldn't think!

Fair enough. I also promise never to top-post in ÅÂÁÃÉÃ past punch-column 72 ever again. Oh, I guess that mess means EBCDIC is right out, as well? MODCHK (talk) 08:37, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

(Oh, and one other tiny thing: generally, it's a good idea to stick to just one level of indentation in talk pages; see w:Help:Using talk pages#Indentation.)
—— Sam Wilson ( TalkContribs ) … 05:53, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
«(!) I had a quick search, hoping some other site happened to have a better copy of the unreadable page (I guess you've already been there.) Turns out Fremantle Harbour ignored the advice of one Sir John Coode, just like another site less than 10km from here. The locals definitely ought to be regretting ignoring good advice, both sides of the country? MODCHK (talk) 08:37, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
I've uploaded a slightly better version of that page. No time just now to proof it more, just now....  :-) — Sam Wilson ( TalkContribs ) … 10:34, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: January[edit]

Hello Samwilson, You have written before for the newsletter This Month in GLAM. I see Australia and New Zealand is missing regarding the edition about January 2013, do you perhaps have any idea what GLAM activities were done in Australia and/or New Zealand in January? Can you perhaps write about those? Or do you know who I can ask to write about it? Thanks! (Deadline of the January edition is Friday 8 February.) You can reach me the best at nl-wiki talk page. Greetings - Romaine (talk) 15:54, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: February in Australia and New Zealand[edit]

Hello Samwilson, You have written before for the newsletter This Month in GLAM. I see Australia and New Zealand are missing regarding the edition about February 2013, do you perhaps have any idea what GLAM activities were done in Australia and New Zealand in February? Can you perhaps write about those? Or do you know who I can ask to write about it? Thanks! (Deadline of the February edition is Friday 8 March.) You can start writing via the page outreach:GLAM/Newsletter/Newsroom. If you wish to be informed by e-mail next time, please write me at this page. You can reach me the best at nl-wiki talk page. Greetings - Romaine (talk) 00:13, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

Quotation marks[edit]

Quotation marks[edit]

Sorry, I just stomped on your quotes. Didn't mean to; was unthinkingly clicking through to the next page and didn't realise it was already validated!  :-) Do you normally do curly-quotes? — Sam Wilson ( TalkContribs ) … 07:15, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

No problem and no, those "curly-quotes" were not mine. I never use them on Wikisource. —Maury (talk) 07:25, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Quotation marks[edit]

Quotation marks[edit]

Sorry, I just stomped on your quotes. Didn't mean to; was unthinkingly clicking through to the next page and didn't realise it was already validated!  :-) Do you normally do curly-quotes? — Sam Wilson ( TalkContribs ) … 07:15, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

No problem and no, those "curly-quotes" were not mine. I never use them on Wikisource. —Maury (talk) 07:28, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: April in Australia and New Zealand[edit]

Hello Samwilson, You have written before for the newsletter This Month in GLAM. I see Australia and New Zealand are missing regarding the edition about April 2013, do you perhaps have any idea what GLAM activities were done in Australia and New Zealand in April? Can you perhaps write about those? Or do you know who I can ask to write about it? Thanks! (Deadline of the April edition is 8 May.) You can start writing at the page outreach:GLAM/Newsletter/Newsroom. If you wish to be informed by e-mail next time, please write me at this page. You can reach me the best at nl-wiki talk page. Greetings - Romaine (talk) 08:16, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Index:The Boynton family and the family seat of Burton Agnes.djvu[edit]


Since the “” issue came up in relation to the above, clearly you have some interest in the work. I would appreciate your advice (if you have any) on an unrelated matter which crops up therein: On pages like this one where numbered lists cross pages, have you any technique for suppressing the continued item number hanging out in space at the top of the page and/or does its presence bother you? I simply have run out of ideas how to remove it and yet maintain the number sequence across pages (well, I don't really: I reset it to the value in the header block… [value=xx clause of <li>]) Similarly: is there a better way to do this?)

Regards, MODCHK (talk) 03:18, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

I'm not sure that it matters too much, but a solution in Javascript would be pretty simple. I can't think of another way, off the top of my head. It doesn't affect what's shown in mainspace pages. Do you think it's worth sorting out? — Sam Wilson ( TalkContribs ) … 03:20, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
Whilst I have no doubt you are right, a javascript approach simply did not occur to me (and I can't say I'm all that keen on a solution that does not work "by default" for the next unprepared viewer...) I don't for a moment consider this seriously, but the only "true" answer would be to put all numbers in literally as they appear on each page (and if ever one of us comes across a typesetting error this is what we'd probably end up doing anyway?)
I'm not going to worry about it further unless its bothering you. I have been as careful as I can (intent may not match cold hard reality, of course: please fix if you spot any error!) to make the transcluded case do the right thing in any case. MODCHK (talk) 04:26, 9 August 2013 (UTC)


Hello, Sam. The editor you mentioned on my talk page, MODCHK, quit Wikisource after several years here. He was very smart and an excellent editor. He is a sad loss for us. Respectfully, —Maury (talk) 03:30, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

Ah, thanks for letting me know. My quest against the horizontal bar shall end! hehe. :-) — Sam Wilson ( TalkContribs ) … 06:24, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

And I hadn't even seen the bunfight[edit]

Re the edit that I made, I completely missed the WS:S bunfight (til now), and just saw the template edits (it was originally my simple concept to provide pointers as we needed them with POTMs). C'est la vie when other things happen in the "vie" bit. — billinghurst sDrewth 15:15, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

Oh! Ah well. I hope it's all ended amicably now! :) — Sam Wilson ( TalkContribs ) … 23:51, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

Automated import of openly licensed scholarly articles[edit]

Hello Samwilson,

We are putting together a proposal about the automated import of openly licensed scholarly articles, and since you are an active Wikisourceror, we'd appreciate yourcomments on the Scriptorium. For convenience, I'm copying our proposal here:

The idea of systematically importing openly licensed scholarly articles into Wikisource has popped up from time to time. For instance, it formed the core of WikiProject Academic Papers and is mentioned in the Wikisource vision. However, the Wikiproject relied on human power, never reached its full potential, and eventually became inactive. The vision has yet to materialise.
We plan to bridge the gap through automation. We are a subset of WikiProject Open Access (user:Daniel Mietchen, user:Maximilanklein, user:MattSenate), and we have funding from the Open Society Foundations via Wikimedia Deutschland to demo suitable workflows at Wikimania (see project page).
Specifically, we plan to import Open Access journal articles into Wikisource when they are cited on Wikipedia. The import would be performed by a group of bots intended to make reference handling more interoperable across Wikimedia sites. Their main tasks are:
  • (on Wikipedia) signalling which references are openly licensed, and link them to the full text on Wikisource, the media on Commons and the metadata on Wikidata;
  • (on Commons) importing images and other media associated with the source article;
  • (on Wikisource) importing the full text of the source article and embedding the media in there;
  • (on Wikidata) handling the metadata associated with the source article, and signalling that the full text is on Wikisource and the media on Commons.
These Open Access imports on Wikisource will be linked to and from other Wikimedia sister sites. Our first priority though will be linking from English Wikipedia, focusing on the most cited Open Access papers, and the top-100 medical articles.
In order to move forward with this, we need
  • General community approval
  • Community feedback on workflows and scrutiny on our test imports in specific.
  • Bot permission. For more technical information read our bot spec on Github.

Maximilianklein (talk) 18:15, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

The Boynton family and the family seat of Burton Agnes/Boynton of Barmston and Burton Agnes choked on template transclusion[edit]

GDay. The page [[The Boynton family and the family seat of Burton Agnes/Boynton of Barmston and Burton Agnes] is having issues due to the number of transcluded templates is exceeding the limit. I didn't dig through the pages to find which or where, thinking that you probably more aware of that. If you need a hand, feel free to prod. — billinghurst sDrewth 10:23, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

I guess that'd be the fault Page:The Boynton family and the family seat of Burton Agnes.djvu/61, with the biggest family tree I've seen done in wikitext! Thanks for the heads-up. Any ideas on how to fix it? I was wondering about redoing it in SVG, but @MODCHK: put a lot of work into it! Nice to have selectable/searchable text too. — Sam Wilson ( TalkContribs ) … 23:58, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
I found some time today to fix it, among some others. I split the family tree to its own subpage, and added it into chapter run. The page itself took most of the allowance for post-include size. I am still tempted to also clean up the image and to add it, but no real plans. — billinghurst sDrewth 10:21, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
Thank you! Good idea, putting it on its own page. I'm planning on finishing proofing it, and then might do something with the charts. — Sam Wilson ( TalkContribs ) … 11:57, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

Chapter headings in 'The Development of Navies During the Last Half-Century'[edit]

The thing is, I did this formatting on an extremely slow connection during a break. Will do all chapters. Tar-ba-gan (talk) 11:55, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

No worries! Thanks. — Sam Wilson ( TalkContribs ) … 23:45, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Correcting my typo[edit]

Thanks for the typo correction in my font list. At least now I know that someone is reading & checking my contribution. :-)— Ineuw talk 14:12, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

No worries! I was just poking around {{fs90}} I think, and ended up there. It’s a good page. — Sam Wilson ( TalkContribs ) … 23:21, 2 December 2014 (UTC)


Hullo. You mentioned that you can use alt-x to remove spaces etc. Is this a gadget? How do you get it to work? Thanks! — Sam Wilson ( TalkContribs ) … 00:10, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

Hello, Sam. When you are editing and come to the bottom of a page that is when you hit the Alt and X keys at the same time. Then show "Preview" and if all looks good "Save" the page. You don't have to have it as a gadget. It works without being a gadget but perhaps someone added it as a gadget in which case you would go to preferences, gadget, and look there to see if it is there as a gadget. Sometimes the text is "sticky" so you have to use "Show Preview" more than once. I started using alt+x years ago. Beeswaxcandle told me about it. If you cannot get it to work then ask Beeswaxcandle who explains things better than me. You're welcome and Happy Trails, —Maury (talk) 02:55, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! And now I've discovered the world of TemplateScript and specifically MediaWiki:TemplateScript/pagetools.js. Gosh there's lots to learn! :-) — Sam Wilson ( TalkContribs ) … 03:10, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
You are very welcome. The more we learn the smarter we become at which time there are more questions and more answers needed to be learned. —Maury (talk) 05:33, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

Hidden cats[edit]

Saw your recent "forcing" of hidden cats via your .css file and thought you should know there is already a setting to show them in your User Preferences --> Appearance tab --> Advanced Options section -- I suggest you use that pref. setting instead.

If you have no such setting; my mistake -- it must be for those with an admin bit or something. -- George Orwell III (talk) 09:19, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

Aha! Thank you indeed! :) Yes, I did go looking for such a thing, but was thinking it was a gadget, and didn't find it (so hacked it). I knew I'd seen it somewhere. :) — Sam Wilson ( TalkContribs ) … 10:07, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

<poem> tags[edit]

Hi. <poem> tags are problematic with transclusions, so what needs to happen with these beasts is that in the Page: namespace we need to open and close them inside the body of the page. — billinghurst sDrewth 00:02, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Oh right! Sorry :( I just assumed they were like normal block elements. :) Thank you for alerting me! — Sam Wilson ( TalkContribs ) … 00:05, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
Meh! No need to be sorry, reasonable to think that it would. Been there done that previously and head-butted the extension. Two useful though problematic tags are <poem> and <ref> they refuse to play nicely. My learning is any manufactured wiki tag should not be trusted to behave. — billinghurst sDrewth 03:31, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

Samwilson, thank you ever so much for the pages you worked on in "Memoirs of a Huguenot Family". Kindest regards, —Maury (talk) 12:12, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

/* smallrefs placed in Index Footer section */[edit]

Sam Wilson, smallrefs is on the footer of every page because I placed it in the Index "Footer" option. In return for your help I have validated several of your pages and I will go back to do more.—Maury (talk) 05:20, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

@William Maury Morris II:: Yes, I figured it must have been added automatically. I don't really know why I bother removing it (I usually do when I find it on pages with no refs), but it's become a habit; it of course doesn't make any difference. Hope you don't mind! :) And indeed, thank you greatly for helping to validating The Nether World, I do very much appreciate it. I'm attempting to (slowly, over the next 10 years or so) to get all of Gissing's works onto WS. — Sam Wilson ( TalkContribs ) … 05:31, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
Sam, I think it might make a difference. The watchpage shows a large change and those like myself who look at it may think, "Oh, my word! I don't want to validate his work see how much was marked incorrect!" while not looking at the specific removal of smallrefs. In this it is possible it may keep other possible validators away. I will get back to validating your pages soon, very soon. Tomorrow at some point I have to be away for a few hours. I return favors and can do a lot on your pages. If I mess up then you can easily correct that and it will still be validated for you. Cheers! —Maury (talk) 05:39, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
Yes, that's a point. Although, I'm not sure how many people investigate previous diffs prior to validating a page; I certainly don't, nor would it put me off—in fact, it'd probably make me think that more typos had been fixed, not fewer. :) But that's just me! hehe :) — Sam Wilson ( TalkContribs ) … 05:48, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
I have looked at diff probably ever since I was on wikipedia and wikisource which is about 6 years under various names. That is "my habit". :0) Anyhow, I just did some more validations on your work. —Maury (talk) 05:53, 2 July 2015 (UTC)


Sam, I have done a lot of edits on all 3 of your works at this point. I believe I can match that 10 years you spoke of yesterday. You proofread and I can validate them. Let us work together. There are not many validations [exclude footers] left in "Memoirs of a Huguenot Family." Will you help me while I help you? Cheers ole chap! —Maury (talk) 00:31, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

A little reminder[edit]

w:Wikipedia:Meetup/Perth/20 is this Saturday – reminding you since you left that note at the page, and you're more active here than at Wikipedia (so may not have seen my note at w:WT:WA) - Evad37 [talk] 00:05, 15 July 2015 (UTC) @ Evad37, send money for travel expenses, bed and breakfast places, for one week. No use in making a short trip over thousands of miles each way. —Maury (talk) 00:10, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks @Evad37:! :) Yeah, I'm rather crap at keeping a diary. But I'm certainly going to remember this weekend. See you there! And @William Maury Morris II: you should come too hehe; it's not so far? — Sam Wilson ( TalkContribs ) … 00:22, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
It wasn't far when I was in the United States Navy on a ship traveling around the world with a bunk and free food. But there are sharks all around that place, all around the Great Barrier Reef. I don't know what good a shark is but I wish they didn't exist. I would not trust a plane due to terrorists and tourist ships are top heavy in high seas. We should have been paid extra for flight school and submarine service on our ("tin can") destroyer in high seas. We were often underwater and bobbed our way back to the surface. Send me an Western Australian Conch sea-shell! —Maury (talk) 00:38, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Help:Beginner's guide to typography -- extra line breaks in OCR text[edit]

I'm working on "Life among the Apaches" All of the pages have a bunch of manual line breaks based on the original page size. I've been manually deleting each one. It's arduous, especially since they're invisible. How can I get rid of all the line breaks -- then I'll add back the ones really needed to separate the paragraphs? Any help you can offer is greatly appreciated. --Outlier59 (talk) 00:51, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

@Outlier59:: I recommend installing the Wikisource:TemplateScript! :) It's really brill: you click a button and it does a whole heap of standard fixes, including removing line breaks. — Sam Wilson ( TalkContribs ) … 01:16, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
I don't know what the js pages are. I'm not sure about creating a js page. Sorry, I'm rather technical inept. I only just got the red exclamation points off my watchlist today. --Outlier59 (talk) 01:32, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
No worries @Outlier59: :) yeah, it's all pretty complicated sometimes. Once you've got things set up though, proofreading is pretty easy... I've had various bits set up for years, and rather forget how I went about them in the first place.
Basically, you need to:
  1. Copy this text: mw.loader.load('//');
  2. Go to User:Outlier59/common.js (you're the only one allowed to edit that page by the way)
  3. Paste the text on its own line, and save.
Then you should have the tool appear in the sidebar when you're proofreading a page.
Sam Wilson ( TalkContribs ) … 01:46, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
It worked!! It worked !! Thank you!!! Outlier59 (talk) 12:44, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
Terrific, well done! :) Happy proofreading. — Sam Wilson ( TalkContribs ) … 23:24, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

Updated scripts[edit]

Hello Samwilson. I updated your proofreading scripts to the latest version from Wikisource:TemplateScript. This adds a new Special:TemplateScript page to configure your scripts, and enables compatibility with upcoming features. You previously only had the 'clean up OCR' script; you can disable the other scripts via Special:TemplateScript if you don't need them. Let me know if anything breaks. :)

However I noticed you had a custom toolbar button which called the OCR cleanup script. That no longer works because the individual scripts aren't accessible anymore. How useful was the button for you? I could figure out some way to make the scripts compatible with it if you really need it... —Pathoschild 00:36, 01 November 2015 (UTC)

Thank you! :) Yeah, I've been doing some oddness with those scripts. I moved the cleanuppage button to the toolbar because I've got things set up to not show the sidebar at all when I'm editing in the page NS (becuase I'm often on a tiny laptop screen and want as much width as possible). But if that's not poss now, I shall make do in other ways :) — Sam Wilson ( TalkContribs ) … 01:25, 1 November 2015 (UTC)