User talk:D.H/Archive 1

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Categories on subpages[edit]

G'day, we generally avoid adding categories to subpages unless the category doesnt apply to the entire work. I mention this due to the subpages in Category:Kinetic gravity. We dont have a policy or guideline on the categorisation yet, so we are all still experimenting with what works. As you are doing all the work in that category, you are more than welcome to fill it however you like :-) John Vandenberg (chat) 06:06, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Ok, it's not necessary, so I've removed the cat. on the subpages. --D.H (talk) 08:43, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

{{Author}} bits and pieces[edit]

For your author of interest, feel free to create a redirect from Author:Richard C. Tolman to Author:Richard Chace Tolman.

Also, when we have more than one author, we tend to do something like ...

| override_author =[[Author:Person A]] and [[Author:PersonB]].

There is info at Template:Author. Happy to help as necessary. BTW thanks for the neat texts. :-) -- billinghurst (talk) 15:20, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Thank you! --D.H (talk) 15:31, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Historical Papers on Relativity to WikiSource namespace[edit]

Gday DH. I would like to propose that we move the page Historical Papers on Relativity to either WikiSource:Relativity or Portal:Relativity (former probably better, though latter may be preferred if doing interwiki), and we can possibly do a redirect for one to the other anyway.

  1. We try to retain the main namespace for the works, not people's compilations/collections, and
  2. The term historical papers seems a little redundant when much of WikiSource is historical works, and today's new research is tomorrow's history.

Thanks for your consideration. -- billinghurst (talk) 04:38, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the information. I moved the page to WikiSource:Relativity. --D.H (talk) 14:46, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Generally we upload images to Commons[edit]

Gday DH. Generally we upload images/files/etc. to Commons, unless there is a reason not to do so, ie. someone looks to delete it. This has the advantage that they can be used across the whole of the wikis, not solely within ours. -- billinghurst (talk) 12:48, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Well, the images were created in 1897, so they are PD in the United states. However, the author (w:George Frederick Charles Searle) is from the UK and died in 1954, and in the United Kingdom his images are seemingly not in the public domain. But according to the Commons policy, the images have to be in the public domain in both countries - which is not fulfilled. So I uploaded them directly to Wikisource. Is that a problem? --D.H (talk) 13:01, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
No problem, as that is perfectly right. I will zip it and crawl back to my corner and put my rock on my head.smiley-- billinghurst (talk) 13:59, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

History of Relativity: Langevin 1911[edit]

Hi D.H

I noticed your work in uploading material dealing with the history of relativity. The translation of the Dialog about Objections against the Theory of Relativity was uploaded by me.

I have a transcript that is suitable for the french wikisource: Paul Langevin's "L'evolution de l'espace et du temps". I have uploaded it to the following sandbox page: Langevin 1911.

You may be more experienced with peculiarities of the french wikisource, so maybe its more practical if you upload the Langevin article to the french wikisource.

I can read french well enough to transcribe the article, but translation is another matter. Also, I doubt translating the article is worthwile. I don't think it's an important article. The only reason the article is often quoted, I think, is because Langevin made the phenomenon of time dilation particularly vivid by describing how a spacetraveller can travel to the future. (Langevin didn't refer to twins, but other than that all the elements of the twin scenario are there.) With the source available in HTML coded form the section with the space traveller can be located by finding "voyageur" in the french text. --Cleonis | Talk 14:57, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. I will try to include the article on fr.wikisource. --D.H (talk) 17:10, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
I saw how many spelling errors and typing errors you had to correct. I'm embarrased, I should have used a spelling checker. Boy am I thankful I notified you instead of uploading it myself. --Cleonis | Talk 18:08, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
Ok, here is the Wikisource-page of the author: fr:Paul Langevin. Do you want to upload it by yourself? (I notice that we have to use the {{DP-EU}} tag, because Langevin died in 1946, so his text is public domain in the US, but it is still copyrighted in France and the EU until 2017.) --D.H (talk) 18:20, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
Well, I'm from the Netherlands. Do you have any idea whether under EU law it's copyright violation if I upload? The possibility of copyright violation didn't enter my mind, I assumed that since it was available from that italian source it was unrestricted. --Cleonis | Talk 18:34, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
How's that for synchronicity; on the 6th of may the following link to a transcript was added to the Paul Langevin biography article on the french wikipedia. --Cleonis | Talk 18:45, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
Yes, it seems that Langevin's text attracts many people ;-). Now back to Wikisource: There are a lot of French pages on fr.wikisource with works and articles from authors, who died after 1938 and are only public domain in the US, not in the EU. See:
fr:Catégorie:Auteurs dans le domaine public aux États-Unis
fr:Catégorie:Œuvres dans le domaine public aux États-Unis
To avoid problems, they use the {{DP-EU}} tag for those articles and leave it to the responsibility of the Non-US readers, if they download it or not... --D.H (talk) 18:51, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
PS: I included the necessary tags - so I think the article is now ready to move... --D.H (talk) 19:21, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

I am comparing the two transcripts. After some tedious cleanup I got the two files in a state where Winmerge can make an informative comparison. There are differences, so I want to check against the source which are errors on my part and which are the other transcriber's errors. After those corrections I intend to upload. --Cleonis | Talk 20:19, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Using the unified wikimedia account I created an account on fr.wikisource to upload Langevin 1911.
I do not expect that to use that account again; I will not watch that account on fr.wikisource.
After uploading I attempted to add the infoédit template on the discussion page, but fr.wikisource did not parse my input correctly, and I couldn't figure out what caused that. --Cleonis | Talk 09:19, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, I will look at this page. --D.H (talk) 10:07, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

We have {{pageno}}[edit]

Gday again. FYI, we do have Template:Pageno which can be used like {{pageno|244}} to give page 244. -- billinghurst (talk) 11:39, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! Let's look at Category:Formatting templates. --D.H (talk) 13:46, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
To note that we have done some work on other page numbering templates, and {{page label}} does a nice job of side numbering. — billinghurst sDrewth 07:15, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
I cannot find {{page label}} . --D.H (talk) 08:48, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
{{page break}} oopsie (slap to back of head) -> — billinghurst sDrewth 12:05, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Wilfrid Perrett d. 1 Oct 1946[edit]

  • Source: The Times, Saturday, Oct 05, 1946; Issue 50574; pg. 1; col A — Deaths.
PERRETT.—On Oct, 1, 1946 at Cheltenham, Wilfrid Perrett, beloved husband of Hedvig Perrett, in his 73rd year.
  • Death Dec Q, 1946
Perrett, Wilfrid 72 Cheltenham 7b 275
  • Marriage, Sep Q, 1908
MATTHIESEN Hedvig E Bridgwater 5c 673
PERRETT Wilfrid Bridgwater 5c 673
  • Births Dec Q, 1873
Perrett Wilfred Bridgwater 5c 397
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Thought about formalising your project?[edit]

Gday D.H. I would like to invite you to formalise your project by adding it to Wikisource:WikiProjects in case you would like to look to a larger group of people to undertake the interesting work that you are transcribing. We could also add you to the rotation of {{Active projects}} so that your project appears on the rotation of {{welcome}}. billinghurst (talk) 00:08, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Interesting idea. Should I move Wikisource:Relativity to Wikisource:WikiProject Relativity? --D.H (talk) 10:09, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
I don't see the benefit in that as it is very specific and seems perfectly fine there. For our project space it has been about looking at works to do, how to format, getting and coordinating volunteers, having such discussions, ... Basically the administrative rather then as a collection, which is what that page seems to be. billinghurst (talk) 12:36, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Little request[edit]

Notice modeled after [1]

As Template:New texts is monitored in IRC, and many users have it in their Watchlists, I was wondering whether you would consider adding the name of the text being added to the edit summary, rather than solely +1,-1. Even if it is just have +Name of work, -1 that would be most helpful. Thanks. -- Cirt (talk) 21:35, 21 March 2010 (UTC)


The problem is certainly lessened by being full width, and it is not a long text, but I'm not the only one who finds justified text more difficult to read. This option is available to users as a preference, but not if we impose it. Anyway, that is my justification for removing it ... pun intended, apologies for that :P 13:18, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Well, I prefer justified texts with small width - at least within scientific texts with many formulas ;-). However, it's not set in stone... --D.H (talk) 14:30, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
You should be able to set that preference in your browser. Cygnis insignis (talk) 17:19, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
Or you can add max-width:40em; to the div style, 40 is perhaps a bit too low. Phe (talk) 15:37, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

[[Category:YYYY works]][edit]

Gday DH. I note that you have been adding both the year = parameter and [[Category:YYYY works]]. We can save you some work as adding the year parameter to the {{header}} automagically also adds the Category. :-) Anyway as you are going around editing some of your previous files, can I ask that you aklso remove the superfluous cats. Thanks. — billinghurst sDrewth 14:56, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Ok, it will be done. Thanks, --D.H (talk) 18:59, 22 November 2010 (UTC)


That's fine with me. I had thought the LaTex showed up a bit too large, so I was looking for an alternative. Feel free to revert. --Eliyak T·C 10:18, 28 November 2010 (UTC)


I'd forgotten about that template! I'm going to re-work the rating codes, since "A" seems to me to indicate a text in good condition. (and is also the top ranking on Wikipedia's text quality system). --Eliyak T·C 14:43, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Langevin: one more proofreading useful[edit]

Hi I finished my "proofreading" but in the end, it was much more than that. Thus I think that it would be good if someone else does a fresh, true proofreading of the "final" translated text, just for the English. Best regards, Harald88 (talk) 22:43, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

WikiProject Translation[edit]

You may be interested in a newly-formed WikiProject: WikiProject Translation. The goal is inter-wiki collaboration with the aim of making source texts available in multiple languages. Please feel free to express any ideas, concerns, or questions at the project talk page. Best, --Eliyak T·C 08:46, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Page:LorentzStatement1920.djvu/2 Copyright page[edit]

Could you please validate the above page so that this Index can be validated. --kathleen wright5 (talk) 00:19, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

Done, thank you. --D.H (talk) 08:54, 25 March 2011 (UTC)


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Tagging with Do not move to Commons[edit]

Gday D.H. I have seen that your recent uploads have been for images that Commons is able to host. I am thinking that it would probably be useful to add the template {{Do not move to Commons}} to such works. I am happy to run my SDrewthbot over the uploads though wanted to confirm that your uploads are indeed not able to be transferred to Commons (for at least the next xxx many years. — billinghurst sDrewth 14:32, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

They are all tagged now, regards --D.H (talk) 14:50, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
Hey thanks. Always happy to bot such things, and wasn't looking to create work. — billinghurst sDrewth 21:37, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Delete request[edit]

Yes check.svg Donebillinghurst sDrewth 14:43, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Missing file[edit]

Hello! Sorry to disturb you, but could you help me? The file of fig.4 to which you added the link doesn't exist in here, I have some samples of it like this one [2] but I'm not sure if I can upload it to wikisource without violating some rules. So if you can upload it, please.ArslanMahmut (talk) 13:41, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Don't know whether they allow copying this file. Please ask at Wikisource:Scriptorium. --D.H (talk) 16:29, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
Ok. Thank you. ArslanMahmut (talk) 17:59, 8 February 2012 (UTC)


I just want to say thanks for the selfless effort you've put into translating scientific papers, including this: Laue, M. (1911), Zur Dynamik der Relativitätstheorie, Ann. d. Phys. 35, 524-542.

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Hi, I'm checking some of the work of a new and very enthusiastic validator and I've picked up a couple of formulae that might need adjusting, but I wanted to check with you on these as my theoretical physics is a long time ago. On this page you've got formulae 2 & 3 both with a power of in the denominator. Is this right? The printing looks to me like it should be a simple multiplier. Thanks, Beeswaxcandle (talk) 07:40, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for validating the article. Regarding your question, is indeed a power. Fortunately, Michelson's paper was also published in the "Philosophical Magazine" of April 1882, where the formulas have been printed more carefully. It's online at the Internet Archive, p. 239. Regards, --D.H (talk) 08:54, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Completed Space and Time (translated by Prasad)[edit]

The work Space and Time (Prasad) is now fully validated. Thanks for adding this text to W/S. Happy 2014! Cheers to further expansion and user adoption. -- DutchTreat (talk) 22:43, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

Thank you very much. Happy 2014 to you too! --D.H (talk) 10:46, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

Moving Your Files to Wikimedia Commons[edit]

Don't worry. He's watching your back. And yes, he's hosted on Commons.

Hello D.H/Archive 1!

First, thank you for your contributions to Wikisource. Any contributions are always very much appreciated. While searching around, I noticed that you have some files that you uploaded to Wikisource that would probably serve the community better if it was on Wikimedia Commons, a media file repository. You can view your files to see which ones I'm referring to. See the Image Guidelines for more information.

Why should you do this?

As an example, let's pretend you extracted a hard-to-find image from a book written in 1870. If you upload it to Wikisource, only Wikisource users can use it. What if a user from Japan is writing an article about a similar topic? If your file is on Wikisource, it's unlikely he'll find it, and if he's lucky enough to find it, he still won't be able to use it easily. However, if you uploaded it to Commons, it's much more likely he'll find it and be able to use it. (Files hosted on Commons are accessible from any sister project) The same goes for any PDF or DJVU files you upload as well.

Note: To "move" a page from Wikisource to Commons is simple, but somewhat confusing if you don't know how to. First, upload the file to Commons with the same file name as you did here. Add the same information, making sure you put in the correct license. I suggest adding the {{Wikisource image}} template to its Commons page. Then edit the file's page at Wikisource and add the template {{Now Commons}}. Soon an administrator will complete the "move" by deleting the Wikisource copy (as it's no longer needed). You don't need to change any tags on Wikisource as they'll automatically point to the new file. Awesome!

If you have any questions or concerns, don't be afraid to ask.

The Haz talk 04:04, 4 February 2014 (UTC)