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Please help start a list of text that need to be proofread. Larger text are preferred because we hope to have a large group of people working on the text of the month. Here is a great place to start looking for text to be proofread.

List of suggested works not actioned[edit]


Little works requiring validation[edit]

Translations, not eligible for simple listing

New works of less than 30 pages to be added to QUEUED


it:Wikisource:Rilettura del mese/Testi brevi

A list of potential PotM candidates[edit]

On the transcription project, there is a good list of text that are ready to be proofread. That list is available here. This list continues to grow so it would be great if we could knock it down. --Mattwj2002 11:03, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

My person opinion, If people keep bringing in projects (and I have seen it) then they should do a good part of the editing. Some, whoever they are, bring in works for others to do and the work-load adds up. Too, if the texts are brought in and left for others, then others may not like the topic so the work load keeps building up. It would be nice to know [who] likes what to work on. *I* like history and specifically illustrated history* but not children’s books or poems. I have several more volumes to do and more I want to do after that. This way I work on what I brought in, or have another bring in because he/they like the same kind of work. --Maury (talk) 01:33, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

Calendar 2016[edit]


Month Work Category Status
January Index:The Kiss and its History.djvu
Index:The Comic English Grammar.djvu
Index:Fountains Abbey.djvu
Quirky Yes check.svg completed
February Index:Hunger (Hamsun).djvu
Fiction Yes check.svg completed
March Index:Wives of the prime ministers, 1844-1906.djvu Wikipedia:WikiWomen's History Month / Woman author Yes check.svg completed
April Index:Poems, Alan Seeger, 1916.djvu
Index:Poets of John Company.djvu
Poetry / Drama Yes check.svg completed
May Index:Report of a Tour Through the Bengal Provinces of Patna, Gaya, Mongir and Bhagalpur; The Santal Parganas, Manbhum, Singhbhum and Birbhum; Bankura, Raniganj, Bardwan and Hughli in 1872-73.djvu Geography (little known area) Yes check.svg completed
June Index:Isvar Chandra Vidyasagar, a story of his life and work.djvu Biography Yes check.svg completed
July Index:How to Keep Bees.djvu
Index:The Fauna of British India, including Ceylon and Burma (Birds Vol 1).djvu
Natural History Yes check.svg completed
August Index:The Mythology of the Aryan Nations.djvu Anthropology or Mythology / Religion Yes check.svg Done
September Index:Plutarch - Moralia, translator Holland, 1911.djvu WS:RT Yes check.svg Done
October Index:My Life and Loves.djvu Fiction (banned) Yes check.svg Done
November Validation month Working on finishing proofread works Yes check.svg Done
December Index:Boys Life of Mark Twain.djvu Lighter work selected

January 2016[edit]

Because I am silly enough to think that having it as the featured text on Valentine's Day might be amusing, I nominate The Kiss and Its History by Kristoffer Nyrop at (External scan). The work is one of the few sources cited for the article on kissing in the recent Eerdmans Dictionary of the Bible, which is evidently reason to think it is one of the better such works out there. John Carter (talk) 18:35, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

I like it, though we will need another as it is 210pp. — billinghurst sDrewth 23:47, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
Only issue I can foresee—if it becomes nominated for FT—is that you will need to keep a tight rein on the formatting before (explicit formatting instructions on Index Talk page), during (making sure multiple editors are actually following the instructions) and after (perhaps a couple validation run-throughs) proofreading in order for it to be FT-worthy the following month. [Some formatting considerations: Wikilinking (rule of thumb: one internal link—per subject—per chapter—difficult to monitor with multiple editors); poetry (I recommend {{Block center}} with breaks and gaps—also introduce {{fqm}}); references (standard vice symbols)]. Otherwise, I find it a good choice as well at first glance. Londonjackbooks (talk) 00:13, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
I don't think this would make a good PotM selection. It's a wonderful little piece of research, but it contains a LOT of poetic quotations, and a LOT of foreign language text. I saw Spanish, French, German, Latin, and Greek all in the prefatory material and first chapter alone. This could make a good group collaboration, but I don't think it's suitable for PotM; its format and content are too challenging. --EncycloPetey (talk) 03:15, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
I don't see the problem there. The language and formatting issues are not that complex. It's a relatively short work. BD2412 T 14:28, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
Most contributors to previous PotM steer clear of poetic formatting pages, and do not proofread pages with non-English text. So, it is a pretty serious issue for selecting PotM. --EncycloPetey (talk) 01:23, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
There being no other suggestions at present, I've gone with The Kiss. Per @Londonjackbooks:' suggestion I have put some formatting notes on the Index Talk page. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 18:43, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

Some possibilities to follow the first selection:

  • The Milestones and the Old Post Road [1], short work (20pp)
  • Telephone Lines and Methods of Constructing them Overhead and Underground [2], longer work (420pp) profusely illustrated
  • Fountains Abbey: the story of a mediæval monastery [3], 204pp
  • Short [178pp] : Anonymous (1840) "The Comic English Grammar" --EncycloPetey (talk) 19:07, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
    (Note: The particular copy linked, now in a California library, is stamped as having previously belonged to Walt Disney Studios.)
The Kiss is all done now I think. What's next? :) — Sam Wilson ( TalkContribs ) … 04:10, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
Just putting The Comic English Grammar into the templates. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 04:49, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

February 2016[edit]

Since we didn't pick it up in October, I propose moving forward with Beeswaxcandle's proposal for the Norwegian novel Hunger by Knut Hamsun. BD2412 T 17:17, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

Note: The translator George Egerton died in 1945, which will be just over 70 years ago when we start work on this. --EncycloPetey (talk) 19:48, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
Life of the author plus 70 years. BD2412 T 16:36, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
But the author, Knut Hamsun died in 1952, which is only 64 years ago. --EncycloPetey (talk) 00:34, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
Translation published 1899, original in 1890. The work is PD in the US. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 01:24, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
But do we need to move the source copy to Wikisource? Is it PD in Norway, or will Commons delete it? --EncycloPetey (talk) 01:30, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

The crime novel w:Quintus Servinton (1830) was allegedly the first novel published in Australia. There are a few online versions floating around. Moondyne (talk) 06:23, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

But no PD scans :( ... Moondyne (talk) 23:27, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

Hunger is coming to an end, so I suggest we pick up the other work proposed in the last time we looked at Fiction, which was Index:Panchatantra.djvu. @Hrishikes: says that, although published in 1925, the copyright wasn't renewed and that this particular translation is an important one to have in our collection. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 05:38, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

March 2016[edit]

Noting that enWP is having in March w:Wikipedia:WikiWomen's History Month and maybe we should be swapping our women's work over, or think about how we can work on that jointly, also see w:Wikipedia:Meetup/Women_in_Red/8. — billinghurst sDrewth 05:50, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

That makes a great deal of sense to me. BD2412 T 02:53, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
Our choices are flexible. --EncycloPetey (talk) 03:16, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
An excellent idea! How about asking around those projects for suggestions? CYGNIS INSIGNIS 06:50, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
I have dropped a note to the project's talk page, and put a note on Keilana's talk page. — billinghurst sDrewth 12:43, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
  • Wives of the prime ministers, 1844-1906 (External scan) by Elizabeth Lee
    By a woman about important women who otherwise drop under the radar. — billinghurst sDrewth 23:44, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
    Looks like an interesting book. Although I've heard a lot about US First Ladies, I've heard almost nothing about the wives of UK Prime Ministers. Do we know the date of death for the two authors? That could affect whether it's hosted here or on Commons. --EncycloPetey (talk) 03:11, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
    Lee died in 1920, and w:Lucy Masterman is the person listed as a contributor died 1977. One could argue that contributions are not necessarily the authorship (research, opinions, organisational) and the declaration of a specific author is sufficient. Though if you want to play safe, we just have the scan stored here. The work is pre-1923 so able to be hosted here. — billinghurst sDrewth 03:44, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
  • Lives of the Wives of Queen Victoria's Prime Ministers (1917) Elizabeth Lee
if someone could queue up Index:Wives of the prime ministers, 1844-1906.djvu, and upload Lives of the Wives of Queen Victoria's Prime Ministers, that would be helpful. Slowking4RAN's revenge 14:48, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
I have added this as the current PotM. — Sam Wilson ( TalkContribs ) … 23:53, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

April 2016[edit]

For poetry month, I recommend works of poetry by soldiers fallen during WWI. I have generated a list of works for consideration based on my proofreading of For Remembrance & etc.—if this seems like a palatable idea. Sorry for the space this takes up. Londonjackbooks (talk) 14:40, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

Author Availability Pub date
Brown, Frank S. Contingent ditties and other soldier songs of the great war 1915
Campbell, Ivar Poems 1917
Coulson, Leslie From an outpost and other poems 1917
Day, Jeffery Poems and Rhymes 1919
Freston, Hugh Reginald The quest of truth and other poems 1916
Kettle, Tom Poems and Parodies 1916
Mackintosh, Ewart Alan War, the liberator, and other pieces: with a memoir 1918
A Highland Regiment (3rd ed, with pub note on death) 1918
Philips, Colwyn Erasmus Arnold Colwyn Erasmus Arnold Philipps 1915
Pitt, Bernard Essays, poems, letters 1917
Robins, George Upton Lays of the Hertfordshire Hunt, and other sporting verses 1912
Seeger, Alan Poems 1916
Sterling, Robert W. The poems of Robert W. Sterling 1916
Streets, John William The undying splendour 1917
Thomas, Edward Poems 1917
Last Poems 1918
Vernède, R. E. War poems and other verses 1917
Wall, Geoffrey Songs of an airman 1917
Wilson, T. P. Cameron Magpies in Picardy 1919

I would like to suggest a somewhat quirky item, Index:Poets of John Company.djvu, a collection authored by British people living in India in the times of the East India Company. The authors include William Jones, Warren Hastings, Henry Louis Vivian Derozio, Horace Hayman Wilson, Emma Roberts and many others. Hrishikes (talk) 15:42, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

I like the idea of doing a book of WWI poetry. As this is rather a long list, let's focus on one of the books from 1916 so that we can feature it as a centennial of publication. If we get through the chosen work, we could then move on to Hrishikes' suggestion, which sounds intriguing. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 08:40, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
Of the 1916 works (and many others listed), most poems are pre-WWI. I might recommend Leslie Coulson's 1917 From an Outpost (Coulson died in 1916); or Vernède's War poems &c. (1917). We have Mackintosh's works here already, but they are unindexed. Londonjackbooks (talk) 11:01, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

Plumb forgot about the new PotM. I can set up an index (I am now leaning towards Alan Seeger's Poems (1916)—his war poetry in part the last), or we can go ahead with Hrishikes' recommendation above—just to get a work on the Main page for April at least. If there are no takers, I can try my hand at listing on the Main page—not 100% sure how to do it, but I could give it a shot; just didn't want to step on anyone's toes... Londonjackbooks (talk) 15:31, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

Based on Beeswaxcandle's consent to do a 1916 work on war poetry, Alan Seeger's Poems should basically fit the bill. The last portion of the work covers his war poetry, and for those editors who do not necessarily like to work with poetry, there is a somewhat lengthy introduction (with some poetry). I left poetry formatting suggestions at the Talk page of the index, and may add more as I familiarize myself with the work. I will go ahead and make changes to the {{PotM}} and {{Collaboration}} templates to reflect the selection. Feel free to check my changes to make sure I have not made any mistakes. Londonjackbooks (talk) 20:35, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
I have selected Hrishikes' suggestion above as second April selection. Seeger's Poems is in still in need of transclusion and standardization, and I will continue that process. Help is still welcomed in these areas. Londonjackbooks (talk) 12:30, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

@AnotherAnonymous, @AuFCL, @BD2412, @Beleg Tâl, @Bradype, @Clockery, @Einstein95:@Kastrel, @Mpaa, @Outlier59, @Rochefoucauld, @ShakespeareFan00, @Slowking4, @Solomon7968:@Weas3l5491, @William Maury Morris II, @Xpctr8: Thank you for your contributions to the Proofread of the Month projects for April. To update: Seeger's Poems still needs to be checked for standardization following the recommended guidelines on the project's Talk page, and pages have yet to be transcluded is complete but for a Greek double-check that I have requested. Poets of John Company is almost done (preparing for transclusion), and while there was no recommended formatting posted, it seems to be in the process of standardization using the poem tag. Londonjackbooks (talk) 01:35, 17 April 2016 (UTC)

And Author pages to be created and linked.— Mpaa (talk) 07:18, 17 April 2016 (UTC)
Is there time for a third work? I would like to suggest Index:The Bird of Time.djvu, by India's best known female poet. Not a long work, it should be possible to complete within the remaining month. Sorry, didn't realise that placeholders were already in place. Hrishikes (talk) 10:24, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

May 2016[edit]

Some famous travelogues:

Locations were exotic at time of travel. My recommendation is for the first item of my list, because of the POV of author, and because a travelogue of Europe by a foreigner should be an interesting item. Hrishikes (talk) 02:22, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

My choice would be the exploratory report by J. D. Beglar about the rich history of Chhota Nagpur Plateau of eastern India. Beglar's report is one of the very few documentations on this area and his work is still referred with respect by researchers there. -- Bodhisattwa (talk) 07:04, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
Ok, I did not know about the full significance of the work, but yes, it is about a little known area, so Symbol support vote.svg Support. Hrishikes (talk) 07:31, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
P.S. A problem is the lack of OCR layer, but I'll take care of it. Hrishikes (talk) 07:46, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
I am actually keen for the first one also. It is interesting to see what perspective would be provided about Europe by some one from India. Since we have generally been getting through two a month, let's line that up to be the second one. BD2412 T 17:46, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
I agree that both of those would be interesting. Symbol support vote.svg Support AnotherAnonymous (talk) 08:51, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

June 2016[edit]

Some biographies:

If autobiographies are allowed:

I have given a list, from which, choices can be made, if others concur. Hrishikes (talk) 07:14, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

Too many options. Please bring the list down to three of the best-remember that most of us don't have any knowledge of these people or their significance. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 07:25, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
I don't think people here have so little around-the-world knowledge. Anyway, all the subjects have Wikipedia articles, so getting the knowledge is not an issue. The list can be narrowed down to the first three (as good as any), but I would prefer a community feedback. Hrishikes (talk) 08:13, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
A good list, but we can't do all of them! The one I've heard of are Tagore, Ramakrishna, Aurangzib, and the Buddha.AnotherAnonymous (talk) 16:44, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
I would like to recommend the biography of Isvar Chandra Vidyasagar, a social reformer and educationist from 19th century Bengal, who fought against religious and superstitious rituals and dogma in a rational way. -- Bodhisattwa (talk) 07:17, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
Symbol support vote.svg Support, Vidyasagar was one of India's most important social reformers, who fought for women's rights and paved the way for widow remarriage among the Hindus. Hrishikes (talk) 07:34, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

The current POTM is proceeding at high speed, so we need to choose a second work. As the first work is a biography, I am proposing an autobiography as the second. We have gone for two India-related works consecutively, so let's go for a British work: let us see, up close, one of the most renowned courtesans in history: Index:The Memoirs of Harriette Wilson Vol 1.djvu. Hrishikes (talk) 14:44, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

July 2016[edit]

Some short ones: --EncycloPetey (talk) 19:02, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

It looks at though the US Dept. of Agriculture, Entomology Division, has put out a whole series of short publications on pest insects. We might consider working on this range throughout the month. --EncycloPetey (talk) 19:30, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

Granted... Londonjackbooks (talk) 23:02, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
I had a squiz at that text and think it is a great suggestion. CYGNIS INSIGNIS 19:07, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
I support the work on bees. As a second work, if there is time, I am proposing the first volume of a very famous series: Index:The Fauna of British India, including Ceylon and Burma (Birds Vol 1).djvu. Hrishikes (talk) 09:47, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

August 2016[edit]

  • There are a number of works we have in the series of Portal:Hibbert Lectures that cover this genre. They are usually substantial in size 300+ pp for a series of lectures. So looking at w:Hibbert Lectures maybe we could consider one of
For Kuenen, this scan: (External scan) looks to be the best. The length is fine, the subject is broad, and the many footnotes are mostly short and easy to handle. The only possible complaint I can see is that the author's view towards the origin and practice of Islam is likely to offend most Muslims. --EncycloPetey (talk) 23:14, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
If we include material offensive to a group, it is because part of our function is to document the social mores, for good or ill, of the past. BD2412 T 02:48, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
The inclusion of such material is not at issue. What is at issue is the selection of a suitable work for community collaboration, which necessarily requires a different set of criteria. --EncycloPetey (talk) 06:28, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
Yes, but what criteria? We had The Descent of Man as a collaboration, despite its controversial (and, arguably, offensive) nature to creationists; The Aborigines of Victoria and Riverina, which paints an unflattering picture of that group; and The Varieties of Religious Experience, which dismisses the doctrinal truth of religions altogether in favor of a more psychological cause, and primarily cites Christianity for its examples. It doesn't seem that offending a group, or offensive characterizations of a group, have been a consideration in the past. BD2412 T 17:17, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
So... you are arguing that we should offend as many people as possible, then? Or that: because a thing has not been done in the past, we shouldn't start now? Or, what exactly? Your opinion in the matter is not clear. --EncycloPetey (talk) 03:25, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
I am arguing that it hasn't been done in the past, and adopting such a position now creates the appearance that there is one specific group for which we would dismiss the historical value of a work to avoid giving offense. BD2412 T 14:41, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
OK, but that still doesn't answer the question I posed: What is your opinion in the matter? --EncycloPetey (talk) 22:02, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
My opinion is that for POTM we should focus on the historical and literary importance of works, having a diverse breadth of coverage, and suitability in terms of size and formatting issues. I don't think that we should be particularly concerned with whether an otherwise qualifying work happens to reflect the prejudices and societal misconceptions of the day. BD2412 T 15:25, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
  • An alternate view of anthropology, there is an important primary work still quoted in current day media ... Memoirs of Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds work already available at Gutenberg. The links are to scans from 1841, and the condition is reasonable, though not brilliant for the images (External scans (multiple parts): 1, 2, 3). — billinghurst sDrewth 02:21, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

As mythology is also allowed:

Hrishikes (talk) 15:30, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

If we choose to do one of these volumes, I favor Mythology vol. 3 (Celtic & Slavic), as it covers an area where we currently have little information. --EncycloPetey (talk) 16:18, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
Yes, good enough, I think. If vol 3 gets completed before the month is over, then we can take up another volume; mythological stories are likely to sustain contributors' interest, these are also easy for POTM. I would prefer vol 12 as the second item, if it comes to that; its area is also little covered. Hrishikes (talk) 16:31, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
Hmmm. I've been seeing lots of references, and thus red links, to Cox's Mythology of the Aryan Nations, so I'm now leaning that way. It too would make a valuable addition, even though I'm uncertain how much of the scholarship has held up after all this time. --EncycloPetey (talk) 06:14, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
After the mythology volume, I propose as second work an eight-volume series of anthrolopology starting with Index:The People of India — a series of photographic illustrations, with descriptive letterpress, of the races and tribes of Hindustan Vol 1.djvu, we can do the first vol. Hrishikes (talk) 11:06, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
I am retracting that one. So many images make it unsuitable. As a second choice, I am leaning towards Kuenen's work, if objection does not come from a Muslim editor willing to participate in POTM, then it should be OK. The madness work should also be OK, I am trying to see if images can be obtained from some alternate source. Hrishikes (talk) 12:33, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

Anthropology from another direction might be a work like, there are lots of images in the work as may be expected.

September 2016[edit]

Carey's book is bilingual, so editors not knowing Bengali will find it problematic. Hrishikes (talk) 08:53, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
The Bengali part of the book will not be a problem, because proofreading of those pages will be done in Bengali Wikisource and I guarantee to complete it there. I have already added {{iwpage|bn}} template in relevant pages which will directly render them from BN WS. Please check this page for example. It would be a good collaboration between the two language projects. -- Bodhisattwa (talk) 09:07, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
What is the point of presenting only the English translations of dialogues intended to help the traveler acquire Bengali? This really belongs at multilingual Wikisource. --EncycloPetey (talk) 18:07, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
@EncycloPetey: Can you please explain how this work belongs at multilingual? As I understand, languages are not mixed at mul, they are kept separate, each with its own Mainpage (when created), waiting for its own subdomain in future. It is just a waiting hall for future wikisources. As both Bengali and English have moved out of mul, so how is a book using these two languages suitable for mul? This work is a Bengali primer in English, intended for English-speaking people, so the right place for it is here at the English Wikisource, I think. However, its suitability for POTM is another issue. Hrishikes (talk) 02:04, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
Your understanding of mul is incorrect. Yes, the work is a Bengali primer for English speakers, but here we would host only the English, which would make the work pointless, as there would be simple everyday conversations in only English. The Bengali wikisource would host only the Bengali, which would consist of simple phrases in Bengali. The whole point of the book is that it sets the Bengali and the English side-by-side for the reader to learn the one from the other. The mul Wikisource exists to host books in more than one language, not just to host languages that do not yet have their own projects. This is one reason I have never worked on a book that sets the Greek and English of ancient dramas side by side. We don't host those here. --EncycloPetey (talk) 02:25, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
Mul wikisource is defined at mul:Wikisource:Oldwikisource: The multilanguage project Oldwikisource is portal between the existing Wikisource domains in different languages and it also serves as the incubator for Wikisources, hosting languages that don't have their own domains yet. No mention of hosting bilingual/multilingual texts. Moreover, if anyone tries to create a new page in page namespace, a warning appears, listing the existing language subdomains and with this advice: You should not create your page here if it is written on one of those languages. Exceptions may apply for pre-1923 work still copyrighted in its home country and forbidden in the specific language subdomain. I am not getting validation of your understanding that mul Wikisource exists to host books in more than one language; so can you please point me to any such policy, or to examples where bilingual texts are hosted in toto in mul when both languages have own wikisource subdomains? Hrishikes (talk) 02:29, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
The discussion to permit them never got anywhere, and there was strong opposition to including parallel texts. The page Wikisource:Multilingual texts was started to try to collect discussion on the issue, but (as you can see) we never got as far as any coherent text on the issue. The strong opposition is why I abandoned hope of having such texts here. If you feel such texts belong here, please point out a policy that permits them here. I have seen none. --EncycloPetey (talk) 04:52, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
You would be more knowledgeable about policy, but I have seen practical examples. Index:Swahili tales.djvu is a bilingual work, the Swahili portion being hosted in mul and the English portion here. In a work having Bengali and English, I had kept a fully Bengali chapter in Bengali Wikisource, keeping the link here. By this edit, the status was changed by another admin and the chapter was brought to English WS, although it is wholly in Bengali. This suggests that old perspectives have changed and new ones are gradually emerging. Carey's book is meant for English speakers and as you said, it requires both Bengali and English together. So it can help conceptualize future policy on this matter. When a specific work requires a specific approach, we should have the capability to be flexible and open-minded enough to accommodate experimentation, instead of nipping new ideas in the bud. As Bodhi pointed out below, this can be handled in various ways. If it is handled through POTM, new ways will emerge through the application of many minds; and who knows, this may be ultimately beneficial for this site. So I urge you to be more tolerant of new ways; policy either for or against can always be formulated later, after seeing how it goes. Hrishikes (talk) 06:20, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
Can you please cite a policy where it was decided not to host this kind of book in En WS? En WS do have some multilingual books, which have been proofread simultaneously with other language Wikisource projects. This was one of the purpose of creating the InterWikiTranclusion.js. If transclusion of side by side pages seems to be a problem, we need to find a way to link them, thats all, may be it can be solved by Wikidata integration or by providing links of each other in both language transcluded pages or in some other way. -- Bodhisattwa (talk) 03:05, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
Can you please provide examples of these "multilingual books"? We eliminated all the ones I knew about a few years ago. --EncycloPetey (talk) 04:52, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
Hrishikesda already provided an example of parallel multilingual book above, which is already proofread. There are few more examples in this page, which are hosted not only in EnWs, but also in FrWs, ItWs, CaWs etc. I hope it's OK now. - Bodhisattwa (talk) 09:35, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
In the case of Swahili Tales, the original book was indeed parallel, but the work as presented here is not. Only the English portion is present here, it is not side-by-side, and the English portion is both indepedent and complete in and of itself. It does not require parallel structure for presentation. The work being discussed here requires side-by-side text to be in any way meaningful. Please provide an example of this kind of text. --EncycloPetey (talk) 23:30, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
Like the English portion of Swahili Tales, the English portion of Carey's book is complete and independent. The Bengali portion is the translated version of the corresponding English pages, just like the Swahili Tales and also complete and independent itself. I can assure you as Bengali is my mother tongue. Carey's book doesnot require side by side text to become meaningful. Just like Swahili Tales, you just have to provide link of corresponding transcluded pages. That's all. -- Bodhisattwa (talk) 01:58, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
The Swahili Tales work is not presented side by side. I do not understand why you think that it is. One can see wither the English text of a chapter, or the Swahili, but not both.
With respect, the English portion of Carey's book is not complete in and of itself. The work is not a narrative, a piece of fiction, a speech, etc. It is a work instructing bilingual language acquisition. By its very nature, then, it cannot be complete with only one language present. I'm sorry you cannot see that. --EncycloPetey (talk) 04:53, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
@EncycloPetey:, I think enough time and effort have been spent on the nomination debate. I am really sorry that I could not satisfy you with my points, hence I withdraw the POTM nomination. But I still believe that the book should be kept in EnWS along with BnWS and find no reason to delete them -- Bodhisattwa (talk) 06:10, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
  • How about The Moralia, by Plutarch? We are woefully short on translations of Latin literature. --EncycloPetey (talk) 13:54, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
  • I am proposing Index:Babur-nama Vol 1.djvu, a work present in WS:RT, a translation from Middle Turkic. This is the autobiography of the first Mughal emperor, a work of legendary fame, more can be read at w:Baburnama. Hrishikes (talk) 02:20, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
    The length, extensive footnotes, and numerous unusual characters (such as "h with a dot below") would make this a poor choice for a general community selection. --EncycloPetey (talk) 02:28, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
  • I'm fine with The Moralia. BD2412 T 11:31, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
Yes check.svg selected Beeswaxcandle (talk) 20:04, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

October 2016[edit]

What do people think about doing The Red Badge of Courage by Stephen Crane? The book has at times been banned [4], and our current copy is "source unknown". --EncycloPetey (talk) 06:56, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

How about Upton Sinclair's The Jungle? The version in mainspace appears to be a project gutenburg, but there's an index here waiting to be transcribed. While not universally banned, it did get banned in East Germany for being "incompatible with Communism." Which isn't entirely relevant, but it's an important part of American history. (Or, at least, it was required reading in my US History classes in high school.) Mukkakukaku (talk) 19:59, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

Alternatively there's Fanny Hill: Memoirs of a Woman of Pleasure, which is tagged incomplete. We'd have to find a scan, though; there doesn't appear to be one readily available on IA. Mukkakukaku (talk) 20:11, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
My Life and Loves selected Beeswaxcandle (talk) 23:04, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

December 2016[edit]

I want to suggest we take a look at Albert Bigelow Paine, who was a close friend/contemporary of Mark Twain and wrote a few books about Twain. I know the 4 volume biography would not be a good candidate, but perhaps the Boy's Life of Mark Twain might be of an interest for us to have here. Here is the IA link for the book: - Tannertsf (talk) 18:11, 9 November 2016 (UTC)

Yes check.svg selected Beeswaxcandle (talk) 08:54, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

I'm not a common user here on the en-WS, but if possible then I would like to propose Lynn Thorndike's The Place of Magic in the Intellectual History of Europe, The Columbia University Press, 1905. Probably other two works by him: The History of Medieval Europe, 1917, and Medieval Europe, its Development & Civilization, 1920, could be interesting as well, but it seems to me that they both are too large (each is more than 700 pages) for the Proofread of the Month. --Nigmont (talk) 21:11, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

(e/c) This is certainly an interesting book, but I think the subject matter is a bit heavy for December when we usually look for lighter material. I propose that we keep this work for our Anthropology month in 2017. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 21:19, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
All right then, I gladly agree to move this work for consideration for the Anthropology month (August) in 2017. --Nigmont (talk) 21:43, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

I am an long time editor on wikipedia and wikisource. With that stated, I finally would like to suggest the rest of a 9 volume set of Cassell’s Illustrated History Of England. The 4th volume is underway now with Tannertsf and myself and almost all images have been placed in that 4th volume. We need more text done. Therefore, we could start with volumes 5-9 and once done we have a serious history of the homeland many of us have ancestry or where we came from or live in now. I grow weary of so many poems, and tattered pages for tots, as well as foreign lands. Look at these last November POTM texts we worked on and how much was accomplished -- unappreciated boredom boys and girls, or none of those chosen would be left over. Merry Christmas y’all, --Maury (talk) 21:35, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

I think another work would be better for December. Due to personal considerations, I do not want this as our next POTM. Not trying to be aggressive, but I want to be able to finish this project without tons of people working on it. - Tannertsf (talk) 23:50, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
I will abide by Tanner’s wish. We work exceedingly well together. --Maury (talk) 02:18, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

Calendar 2017[edit]


Month Work Category Status
January Quirky
February Fiction
March Wikipedia:WikiWomen's History Month / Woman author
April Poetry / Drama
May Geography (little known area)
June Biography
July Natural History
August Anthropology, Mythology, or Religion
September WS:RT
October Fiction (banned)
November Validation month Working on finishing proofread works

January 2017[edit]

  • A Treatise on Soap-making (1807) [6]

February 2017[edit]

March 2017[edit]

  • Index:True stories of girl heroines.djvu - this one was nominated some time ago (see top of page), but has not been used. It might make a good choice since it is about women and was written by a woman as well. If we do use it, it may not last the entire month, so an additional selection may be needed. --EncycloPetey (talk) 21:24, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

Books parked for consideration[edit]

Noting the list at the top of the page too
  • Amusements in Mathematics by Henry Ernest Dudeny. In an effort to find some popular public domain publications for inclusion here at WS, I found that the HTML version of this book is the most-downloaded text at the Internet Archive. Plus, someone has already gone to the trouble of extracting and cleaning the images [7]. There is a tiny amount of text cut off on pages 63-64, but the missing letters can be determined from context and from the HTML version --Eliyak T·C 22:52, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
(a) It's a key work of a great English writer;
(b) Johnson's text will be fun to read;
(c) It will add biographies of several writers.
(a) It's in multiple volumes, so we might have to start with just the first one and see what transpires;
(b) There will be many uses of long-s and the like;
(c) We may not be able to get a first edition to work from, and I'm not sure that I could find a complete set of a single edition in IA.

Would a work of this sort ever be a good selection for PotM, and why or why not? --EncycloPetey (talk) 03:12, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

EncycloPetey, I think the idea of finishing "abandoned books" is a very good idea. I am working on two of them now. If we all did this together we could finish them up quick and add them to our library here. THESE should be "Proofreads of the Month" instead of finding more before we have finished these sitting here.. —Maury (talk) 21:03, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Author:John Lloyd Stephens (listed on en WS)[edit]

Author:John Lloyd Stephens wrote several grand books and they are illustrated. Let us choose something a bit more exciting lest we have an *another* unfinished work. —Maury (talk) 18:40, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

The Tale of Old Mortality[edit]

We don't have Walter Scott's The Tale of Old Mortality, which shocked me. Actually, we have very few works by him at all, despite his stature as an English writer, but The Tale of Old Mortality (or simply Old Mortality) is considered one of his best novels, and is a pretty high-profile English novel for us to be missing. --EncycloPetey (talk) 17:39, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

EncycloPetey, what is the url for the version you have found? I wish to look at it. —Maury (talk) 22:16, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
Well, to clarify first off (if you didn't know), Old Mortality is one in a series of loosely associated novels collected under the title Tales of My Landlord, though each is an independent story and novel. Of the first four volumes that make up "series 1", volumes 2 through 4 are Old Mortality (volume 1 is a separate story entitled The Black Dwarf). So, here then are the first edition (1816) volumes: Vol. II, Vol. III, Vol. IV. --EncycloPetey (talk) 00:57, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

A dictionary of the Book of Mormon[edit]

I would like to nominate Index:A dictionary of the Book of Mormon.pdf. So far as I can tell, it is one of the few available "reference" type works on the Book of Mormon, thus making it one of the few available which give easier access to that work. John Carter (talk) 15:40, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

From a technical persepective, a better scan would be needed. The Google scans from that period are quite bad. It also needs to be in DjVu format. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 23:31, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
See IA for the .DjVu if still interested. I just replaced the PDF from there onto Commons and the quality is far better now. -- George Orwell III (talk) 07:46, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
It really isn't that long a work, and I could probably do the proofread solo if need be. Unfortunately, I'm enough of a tech illiterate that I've never really uploaded anything properly. John Carter (talk) 19:41, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
Perhaps you could email the text to a volunteer who would upload it. Oh, I am not that volunteer, just an idea girl passing by for other purposes (see new section below)! Hope this helps, Geekdiva (talk) 09:32, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
There are two copies on Hathi, one from Harvard and the other from NY Public Library. I can upload either or both of these (in DjVu) if this is still something we want. The Haz talk 18:34, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
Sorry, I missed the one comment about it being uploaded. The Haz talk 18:39, 13 April 2015 (UTC)