User talk:ThomasV

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You're right, I did. Thanks for pointing that out. I must have looked over them when I removed the material at the top, not knowing that some were interwiki links.—Zhaladshar ^(Talk) 01:16, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Sysop

Hi, ThomasV, you are now a sysop.—Zhaladshar ^(Talk) 17:41, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

thanks. 17:45, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] UN Security Council Resolutions

Welcome to adminship. As I check Wikisource:Possible copyright violations but I cannot speak French well, I would like to invite you there to see a very hot discussion about whether UN Security Council Resolutions are admissible at Wikisource. I have to stop adding UN resolutions until they are admissible here. This also applies at French and Chinese Wikisource.--Jusjih 08:25, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

yeah, I heard about it. I do not think that you have to stop adding them. what I understood is that some people considered that the legal disclaimer of wikisource should be adapted to include law texts. I really do not know more about the topic. cheers. ThomasV 11:19, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Not all law texts are in the public domain, so whenever I add Taiwanese laws, I always use copyright tags to specifying that govenmental translations are in the public domain. I have stopped adding UN Resolutions due to unclear discussions as of yet. In the meantime, I add Taiwanese and Macanese laws in the public domain.--Jusjih 04:20, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

I have noticed French Wikisourse with a tab "license" for UN resolutions. As you hate copyright tags right on articles, that is a good idea to tell readers how articles there may be used. I don't know if you have time to proofread English or French texts. As I am an administrator here and at Chinese Wikisource but not at French Wikisource, I can eventually protect English and Chinese UN texts, but for French ones, either you or another administrator protect them.--Jusjih 01:03, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

I will write an explanation notice for copyright tabs. I noticed you wrote "J'ai corrigé cet article" in several discussion pages. I suppose you mean "proofread". The french word for that is "vérifié". "corrigé" is misleading, it means that you found a typo and fixed it, but it does not imply that the text is now error free. ThomasV 06:52, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

I intend to mean "proofread". You mean that I should better say "J'ai vérifié cet article" after proofreading an article, right? Shall we fix typos? Please excuse my basic and poor French, but you may send me messages in French for my reading practice. My French writing and speaking are much poorer, but I can read simple French.

Merci beaucoup pour votre conseil.--Jusjih 10:18, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

I just added a message at Wikisource:Scriptorium#Articles.2C_project_pages.2C_and_United_Nations_resolutions about whether the index page of the United Nations Security Council Resolutions should be an "article" not prefixing "Wikisource:" or a "project page" prefixing "Wikisource:".

I added a French project page at multilingual Wikisource on 23 July 2005, then you moved it to an article namespace on 25 August 2005. After moved to French Wikisource, I moved to back to a project page becuase I would like to make the namespace the same in English, French, and Chinese. However, as I am not very sure whether I should have done it and I plan to add trilingual indexes for the UN General Assembly Resolutions, in addition to scriptorium, I would like to ask you whether fr:Wikisource:Résolutions du Conseil de sécurité de l'ONU that I have gathered from the UN web site with my changes of format for Wikisource and the order of the resolutions should indeed be an "article" or a "project page".--Jusjih 10:50, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

I moved it in the "main" namespace because I thought it was like the table of contents of a book. but if you have good reasons to put it in the wikisource namespace, go ahead. ThomasV 10:54, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Based on your and others' comments, I have made a reverse page move there while I have no more good reason to put it in the Wikisource namespace. I will move the Chinese index and prepare an index of the UN General Assembly Resolutions as well. Merci beaucoup pour votre conseil.--Jusjih 23:03, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] United Nations resolutions are found to be in the public domain

===United Nations works after 1 March 1989 no longer acceptable at Wikisource for being GFDL-incompactible===

Due to Wikimedia Foundation's requirement that results in the copyright policy prohibiting non-commercial licenses, UN works published after 1 March 1989 are copyrighted for 95 years since publication by default and Template:UNCopyright with non-commercial license is GFDL-incompactible here, so unless available at the US Government Websites (suffixed .gov) without additional copyright restrictions, they have to be deleted from English Wikisource.

Has French Wikisource enforced the ban of non-commercial licenses yet? Chinese Wikisource has yet to enforce it while I have mentioned this matter. Here, I am deleting so many UN resolutions published after 1 March 1989 that are normally copyrighted by default, but Chinese and French Wikisource do not have such a big mess.--Jusjih 13:39, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Please see the revised Template:PD-UN after WS:COPYVIO and WS:S have found United Nations resolutions to be in the public domain.--Jusjih 15:22, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thomas Dretart

• Franch alias : Thomas Dretart : author page of Thomas Dretart, apparently made by the author himself. His works are protected by copyright. I tried to tell him that he has to release his texts under a free licence a few months ago, but he did not seem to understand. if somebody wants to talk to him, his username is Tomahawk something on hr.wikisource.org. ThomasV 12:50, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Thomas Dretart: To make my biography by my self is my liberty. Administrator ThomasV seid:"His works are protected by copyright".Non, authors works of Thomas Dretart are copyright by him self. I prouved.Thomas Dretart is Tomislav Dretar. My works are no protected by copyright for my self. Es gibt keine Wahrheit in dem Konstatation von ThomasV alis ThomasBhot. ThomsBhot a menti tout le monde.

J'ai lui expliqué tout, mais il ne veux pas comprendre. Il a ses propres raisons pour pourchasser Tomislav Dretar de partout où il se trouve. I have deleted my biography im october bat ThomasV remaid the problem in december.!?!? --Tomislav Dretar 06:43, 6 December 2005 (UTC) --Tomislav Dretar 06:43, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Thomas, vous êtes vraiment un miracle en monde. J'ai tout effacé, tout arrêté, mais vous continuez. Pourqoi bon Dieu? Laissez moi tranquille au Nom de Dieu! Droits d'auteurs sont à moi. J'ai bien prouvé, mais Vous n'écoutez pas! Trouvez, bon Dieu, un autres jouet! Ce que j'ai fait un peu de publicité pour moi même ce n'est pas interdit. Et tout est la vérité et rien que la vérité. En plus je suis dans la bibliographie française. Regardez un peu. Vous pourchassez un écrivain français. Ce sont mes origines croates qui vous font vous affoler, ha? --Tomislav Dretar 06:55, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

you are indeed free to write your own biography. but the Wikisource project is free to accept it or not on its pages. biographies of famous people are appropriate on wikipedia, not on wikisource. why don't you write your biography there?

now concerning your works, they ARE copyrighted. whether you want it or not. That's the law. Wikisource does not accept copyrighted texts. Wikisource is not a free advertising site for young authors.

ThomasV 08:08, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Hi Thomas, could you tell me what's going on with Thomas Dretart? Are his works legit, or should we delete them?

I talked to him on the phone. Apparently he understood that he has to release his works under a free licence. he used the wiki in order to publish his own texts, and since then he has found an editor. his editor is willing to publish his works, but who does not want his texts to be published here. so you may delete his works, they are copyvio. ThomasV 17:20, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Extension

It's odd that no one's reviewing the extension (aren't there a lot of developers?). If Brion's busy, someone else should be available to review it. Oh well, I'm sure at some point it will be reviewed--we just have to be patient (remember, the Special:Import feature still has yet to be completed).—Zhaladshar ^(Talk) 17:12, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Hello Thomas. I already thought about the need of such an extension and think it is very helpful. I don't know much about coding, so I can't say much about the extension. But as far as I can see, the "compare" links are always added. I think there should be an extra wiki link ("[[comp:fr:..]]) because the texts have to be formatted the same and this mostly won't be the case (eg author pages). By the way: Is there an international discussion page for topics concerning all wikisource projects (like this)? If not, I think it should be created (for example at int.wikisource as subpage of Scriptorium) It would be a pity if the projects would completely separate and there are many (software) problems they have in common. --Jofi 00:17, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

I think the scriptorium at ws.org should be the place for international discussions. I first posted my message about the extension there. however, I re-posted it to a few other scriptoriums today, because I had the feeling that not a lot of people had read the first message. if you like the extension please vote for it. ThomasV 00:30, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Ok. I was not active for a longer period of time, so I missed some things. --Jofi 00:37, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

re compare links: they are always added, but only in the main namespace. ThomasV 00:46, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

So they would be added to author pages, too? --Jofi 00:58, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

yes, unless a separate namespace is created for author pages. but I do not think that it is a bad thing to be able to compare author pages in different languages, even if they do not have the same format. it is not necessary for the pages to have the same format. here is an example where two pages are compared even though they do not have the same format. the extension still works well. ThomasV 01:11, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

You are right. I thought it would mess things up. A last question: What about pages in the same subdomain? For example de.wikisource has 2 versions of the Lutherbible, or texts in original old language and translated new versions. It would be nice, if they could also be displayed there. --Jofi

I agree. you are not the first one to ask this. it is not implemented yet, but I think it would be very easy to do. ThomasV 01:44, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Error

You added the dotabs() function to Mediawiki:monobook.js, and it's generating an error in Firefox 1.5.

Error: a has no properties
Source file: http://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=-&action=raw&smaxage=0&gen=js
Line: 123

and it points here:

function dotabs()
{
   //first tab
'''   var a = document.getElementById("ca-nstab-main");'''
   var s = a.innerHTML; 

Omegatron 21:29, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] LeteX

This is meant to be an explanation of my note on Scriptorium and not a refutation of your statement.

According to Leslie Lamport (who developed LaTeX)

The LateX document preparation system is a special version of Donald Knuth's TeX program. TeX is a sophisticated program to produce high-quality typesetting, especially for mathematical text. LaTeX adds to TeX a collection of commands that simplify typesetting by letting the user concentrate on structure of the text rather than formatting commands.

I used to use LaTex to write technical papers. It can be thought of as a markup language and is very versatile. I mentioned TeX because I have read that there is talk about using a modified form of TeX to replace HTML. In my own experience, in making contributions to Wikisource, both Wiki markup and HTML are very frustrating because it is so difficult to format text in a way we take for granted in typeset books. PDF is great and has a huge installed base but IMO it might not be the format for the future. Just some thoughts. Like I said I'm not an expert. I'll stop rambling now. --Droll 21:59, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Hello Thomas V I need your advice on Recent Changes could you help cleaner we need some 169.244.143.115 15:38, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

please stop posting junk ThomasV 15:42, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Why you call it Junk? 169.244.143.115 15:43, 15 March 2006 (UTC) You want Poetry fine... its not just me??? but thanks...

Thomas as I said at noticeboard here is the site... a newbie in training... http://www.toyomasu.com/haiku/#issa 169.244.143.115 15:58, 15 March 2006 (UTC) Firefly see don't say because the title i not sure of... bare with all. 169.244.143.115 15:58, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

TY

[edit] side by side comparison

Is there away to set-up the side by side comparison for an article in the same language domain. An example would be Poems (Donne)/Elegie I and Poems of John Donne (1896)/Elegy I. Thanks for looking at this--BirgitteSB 03:09, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

you are not the first one to ask about this. it would require a modification of the software. unfortunately, I have no time for it atm. If you know php, you can write a patch that does that. but this is the easy part; once you have written your patch, you 'll need to have developers accept your patch, and that is really difficult to go though :-). I took me months of nagging them on irc, almost every day. ThomasV 08:14, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lorem ipsum

I restored this page as it in not latin. It actually gibberish meant to resemble latin that is used by publishers as a placeholder to test out layout before they enter actual information.--BirgitteSB 05:58, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

it is not English, is it? ThomasV 11:57, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

It is now nominated for deletion. I always learned it was gibberish. But Pathoschild says it is based on a latin text. I really don't mind it being deleted, but I thought it was a misunderstanding. I was just thinking it was very common text used by English speakers and it was late if that is any excuse :) --BirgitteSB 12:03, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] .hu

Hi. There has been a request to create a .hu subdomain for wikisource. here I don't know if you are the right person to ask to do it, but I would like to ask you to help if you can. --Dubaduba 10:01, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] ThomasBor for el:

Is it possible use the bot in the Greek Wikisource? For example to split articles like following into smaller articles? el:Κατά Ιωάννην

-- w:en:User:Ανδρέας

[edit] Author talk pages included in Category:Author-PD-old

Hi, is there a reason for some author talk pages such as Author talk:Charles Dickens having copyright tags and being included in the relevant copyright category? If not, I'd like to delete the tags thus removing the author talk pages from the categories.--GrafZahl 12:50, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Since you haven't answered for one week, I'm simply doing it now ;)--GrafZahl 12:24, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

sure go ahead . ThomasV 10:13, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Labeled section transclusion

Thomas, thanks so much for sharing your solution. Please help improve the paragraph describing it here.

What became clear yesterday was that three separate Wikisource languages (French, English, and Hebrew) all found themselves facing the same problem and the same need, and all of them have tried to implement various technical solutions to the problem this year. To me, this fact points more than ever to the need for a solution that is both flexible, powerful and convenient to use.

I posted a note that effect at the Wikitech mailin list.

Hope you will stay involved and give more feedback! Dovi 07:39, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] ProofreadPages and page quality

Thanks for ProofreadPages. If this works out, the whole proofreading process should become much simpler.

Now, here's my first problem: I've created Template:pagequality as a copy of fr:Modèle:PageQuality and added a call to Page:A Treatise on Electricity and Magnetism Volume 1 005.jpg, but on A_Treatise_on_Electricity_and_Magnetism/Preface, where it is transcluded, the page quality indicator is still at 0%. Maybe some JavaScript or CSS has not been copied over from fr: to en: yet?

Thanks for your help.--GrafZahl 13:20, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

yes, some javascript is missing. I did not include this part because I was not sure if the English wikisource was still using these quality indicators. I'll take care of that. ThomasV 13:41, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks!--GrafZahl 07:54, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] side by side image and text implementation

Hi Thomas, I am a sysop at te wiksource. I am trying to implement side by side image and text thing like you have here in Page: namespace. I am assuming I copied all the necessary code but I could not get it to work. What are the steps I need to go through to make this work in Telugu wikisource. Your help is appreciated very much as we are going to start a big project in te wikisource --Vyzasatya 19:02, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

you need to ask a developer to enable the ProofreadPage extension. ThomasV 09:18, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Page Namespace

Hello Thomas,

thanks a lot for your advice and your help! That was exactly the feature I was looking for, when I asked in the Scriptorium for the correct way to do page references. Best regards, --Linda.floren 07:58, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 2 categories

Salut,

Il y a 2 catégories concurrentes :

• Category:Proofreading pages
• Category:Index

Yann 18:36, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

non, la première contient SRW qui n'utilise pas le mode Page. et puis la 2e regroupe des pages d'index, ce qui n'est pas la même chose que de placer les pages dans des catégories. ThomasV 18:44, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] ProofreadPage

Hi, thanks for the ProofreadPage overhaul, bugzilla:7957 in particular. I'm somewhat overloaded with work right now, so it'll take some time until I clean up my ProofreadPage projects.--GrafZahl (talk) 15:36, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Changes in Proofread page

Have you recently made changes to this? I hadn't work with it for a few days and now the image isn't enlarged like it used to be. Any ideas?--BirgitteSB 18:25, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

I do not know what you mean.. can you show me an example? ThomasV 15:16, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

The image used to appear larger at that link. [1]--BirgitteSB 13:33, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

I do not know. what navigator are you using ? ThomasV 19:10, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Internet Explorer. The strange thing is I have used it before with the setup and had a larger readable version of the image. Also the edit box used to narrower to allow the image more room.--BirgitteSB 13:34, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

I think the way it used to be rendered in IE (with this large image) was buggy, and is now fixed. the problem with IE is that the zoom does not work, so you cannt see the image precisely. although I agree that this is not a valid answer, I can only suggest to use firefox. ThomasV 09:44, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. At least it is not me going crazy.--BirgitteSB 14:07, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Proof Read page extension on te wikisource

Hi ThomasV,

We have created Page namespace and also alias namespace with localname in Telugu wikisource and had the extension activated. For some reason it is not working. can you please look into it. Here is the link to request I made in bugzilla http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7588

Thanks --Rvyz 08:55, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

in fact, creating the namespaces is not sufficient; you actually need to set two system messages : Proofreadpage_namespace (its default value is Page) and Proofreadpage_index_namespace (its default value is Index) ThomasV 21:31, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks I'll have it set by programmers --Rvyz 04:43, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hello

I am a newbie on WikiSource, ive had some experience on English Wikipedia (as User:Twenty Years - 8 months) and Commons (as User:Five Years - 1 month). I was wondering if i would be able to upload a list of Youth Sports Champions for a single association, called the Public Schools Association, would that be appropriate for wiki source. Thanks alot. Five Years 11:28, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 1001 Nights

Thanks for the comment. I was wondering who among the old-timers would be first to notice.:-)

I don't know if page scans are available for The Nights. There is a site which already has the entire Burton nights on line in a text version (http://www.wollamshram.ca/) and this seems to have the basis for the megabyte volume 1 text that was already provided to us. (Both show a consistent OCR error of putting "shine" for "thine") I have no idea what edition was used for the upload. I have been proofreading the text as I go along by comparison with my own Burton Club edition of the text. I have also been restoring Greek text in the footnotes where the scanned source only gives "Greek letters". If I get really ambitious, I may upload the illustrations in the edition. This includes the Letchford illustrations, and some by unidentified illustrators.

One interesting question: Where a reference to the Qur'an is made in the notes I am linking it the indicated chapter of the Qur'an, but with such things there remains the question of what the appropriate version is for such links, Eclecticology 17:18, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Proofread Page Extension

Hi - I'm trying to install the Proofread Page extension on my locally hosted version of MediaWiki. Are there any tricks to installing it? I have done the usual for extension installation (placed it in the extension folder and made a require_once line in LocalSettings). I also created MediaWiki:Proofreadpage index namespace and MediaWiki:Proofreadpage namespace as well as Page and Index namespaces. However, every time I uncomment the require_once line, my wiki produces blank pages, indicating some type of php problem. Are there any more steps for installation? Thanks! -SCEhardT 19:59, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

check the php log to know about the error.

for images that are larger than the half window, the extension uses thumbs; this requires that you install a 404 handler, such as WebStore.php. but I guess your problem does not come from there, because apparently all pages are blank; so, check the log

ThomasV 21:05, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks - turned out to be a problem with the name of the extension directory (must be ProofreadPage) -SCEhardT 20:58, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] A french suggestion

Copied from my talk page: C'est plutôt l'inverse. C'est Wikisource qui devrait utiliser WebCodex pour saisir les versets en bases de données. Cordialement MLL 21:14, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

I think this is implying we could automatically take verse from a webcodex database (rather than copying and pasting). I shared this information with User:Sanbeg, but he cannot see how. Since you speak both french and computer(!), I was wondering if you could take a look. (More information at User talk:Sanbeg#Bible and Talk:Bible/Obadiah/1/1).--BirgitteSB 14:06, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

sorry but I do not know anything about webcodex. ThomasV 09:26, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bug in ProofreadPage

Hi ThomasV, it seems the following two lines of code:

diffButton = document.getElementById("wpDiff")
diffButton.setAttribute("onclick","prpConcat(this.form);");

need to be added to oldwikisource:MediaWiki:Page.js, function pageURL(), after

saveButton = document.getElementById("wpSave"); 
saveButton.setAttribute("onclick","prpConcat(this.form);");
previewButton = document.getElementById("wpPreview"); 
previewButton.setAttribute("onclick","prpConcat(this.form);");

Thank you!--GrafZahl (talk) 22:15, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

thanks for pointing that. I'll try to fix it today ThomasV 06:18, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

it is fixed now, and I made many improvements. we just have to wait until servers are updated... ThomasV 12:46, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Proofread Page and Unused media

Hi, while playing around with Special:Unusedimages, I noticed that it includes media that is "used" on a "Page:". e.g. Page:SomeRemarksOnCorset column1.png is the first "unused" png listed on the second page of Special:Unusedimages; and Page:Literary_Digest_1928-01-07_Henry_Ford_Interview_3.jpg is a file on commons that checkusage says is unused. Are there any plans to resolve this? John Vandenberg 05:53, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Indeed it would be great to have the pages listed as "used". I do not have time to write a patch now, but feel free. ThomasV 15:16, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] More PageQuality problems

Hi, ThomasV. Perhaps it is related with Wikisource:Scriptorium#site-independent_JavaScript.2Farticle_tab_breakage (or not), or with the disappeared footer and header of the Page's. "My" problem now is that at Catalan WS, the pages with the PageQuality template, like ca:Pàgina:Tenditinardua.jpg shows the little image of 75%, but in the secure servers don't: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikisource/ca/wiki/P%C3%A0gina:Tenditinardua.jpg . Please, could you have a look at :ca:dontnowwhere (don't hurry, just if you have time; i'm not very keen on mediawiki...). Thanks ;) -Aleator 19:26, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

yes, it is the same bug as reported on en:ws. the working code is here : http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js . You will need to replace "Page" with "Pagina" I guess.

It has nothing to do with the header and footer fields. if you want to see them click on the "+" button.

ThomasV 21:18, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

More things:

• What is the "+" button?

I found the button! Javascript had to be activated. -Aleator 18:05, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

• At fr:WS also have the same problem, as https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikisource/fr/wiki/Page:Polo-DGP-166.png vs fr:Page:Polo-DGP-166.png (and there, it is impossible to me to see the template of advance fr:Modèle:PageQuality, dont find "+" button).
• And at it:WS something has happened (it:Wikisource:Bar#Bug; i don't follow it:WS changes, so perhaps it is from other mediwiki changes i didnt notice -better to wait their answers-). Thks. -Aleator 18:54, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] indent level

Hi ThomasV, I think the indent level of your comment needs to be adjusted. It is a reply to Eclecticology? John Vandenberg 23:16, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

it is, indeed ThomasV 06:25, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] further to 1001 Nights

Further to your comments, wrestling with a scanner to take picture of a 400-page book does not strike me as a useful way to spend my time, not to mention the risk of such wear and tear to the book itself. If someone else likes scanning though, I would not stand in their way. And 1001 Nights has 17 volumes. The page numbering is not there with a view to dividing the book into separate files for each page, but to allow for more detailed cross-referencing from other places. Dividing the book by tales makes it much more readable for the visitor. In the head page, The Book of the Thousand Nights and a Night, I have already added links to bring a person to when a particular night begins, and I plan to use a similar system for dealing with the index at the end of the volume.

I do admit that at some point I should learn to use bots, and I did look at the Help:Bots page. That page seems to give an adequate explanation of the "Requete" template's structure, but what seems to be missing is where to put the template so that it will work.

While I can see how having page scans can help in terms of preventing vandalism, putting this as a primary goal is exactly what I saw as paranoid in my earlier responses to Pathoschild. It is also based on a general assumption of bad faith on the part of people who just come to add in their favorite material. Most people do not attempt to add wilfully deceptive materials; assuming so would be contrary to the fundamental assumptions that have made wikis so successful. That being said, sure, your proposal will do everything that you said it will. The risk lies in discouraging those people with very good content who may appear clueless in technical expertise. That state of things will not encourage the growth which is absolutely necessary if we are to keep up with the competition. Eclecticology 16:48, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

the question is not whether we shall assume godd or bad faith from contributors, but rather what external readers assume from us. IMO, scans provide a guarantee to external readers, who do not necessarily assume good faith (or sufficient expertise) from us. There is a difference between "anyone can improve our texts" and "our texts are backed by scans". ThomasV 10:48, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] odd bot behavior?

Have a look at Page:H.R. Rep. No. 94-1476 (1976) Page 154.djvu. The page quality for this page previously stood at 50%, then User:ThomasBot came along and moved the {{PageQuality}} template inside the <noinclude> tag. Now, when I edited the page and incremented the page quality counter to 75%, the result was that both the “50%” and “75%” icons now appear in the “page” tab at the top of the screen. Tarmstro99 18:27, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

sorry, this is because I have not updated the javascript. I'll try to do this tonight. ThomasV 23:07, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

not a problem, and no real hurry. Tarmstro99 00:11, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

it is done. please reload any page to update your javascript ThomasV 08:18, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for working on this. At the moment, the problem seems to still be present. Following this edit to Page:H.R. Rep. No. 94-1476 (1976) Page 153.djvu, the page once again shows both the (preexisting) “50%” icon and the (new) “75%” icon in the Page tab. Tarmstro99 14:37, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

as I said, you need to update your javascript. click reload in your browser ThomasV 15:10, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

clicked reload repeatedly, even tried a different browser. Still seeing “” in the Page tab at Page:H.R. Rep. No. 94-1476 (1976) Page 153.djvu. Tarmstro99 15:21, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

oh sure, that page is corrupted. updating your js ensures that you will not corrupt further pages :-) ThomasV 15:22, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

ah, got it. Thanks. Tarmstro99 15:29, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Talk page

At first, I'm like, why was my talk page whacked, but then I checked the log and saw a notorious vandal/sock tried to get back at me via wikisource. Thanks for helping. — Rlevse • Talk • 15:23, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] a "bug" report

Hi, a bug report in case want to either fix it or explain it. John Vandenberg 05:26, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] OCR bot; two columns

Hi, following up on this, can the bot handle two columns? John Vandenberg 09:02, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

not currently. it is based on Tesseract, which does not handle this. ThomasV 15:32, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] History of West Australia

Thanks Thomas but I've rem'd pages9-11 transclusions as they haven't been proofread yet and the OCR quality is so awful they are virtually unintelligible (esp as the two column thig isn't working). I'm going to have to rescan these and try another tack.

My little desktop scanner at home seems to manage the OCR better, except it struggles with the page size. But I will overcome! Moondyne 07:35, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, I suspected that was the wrong thing to do but couldn't think of an alternative. How do you transclude a section? - thats news to me. Can you do it so I have a working example? Also, for your information, I don't intend to do any more saving of page images and creating [[page:]]'s. It takes too long and so I'll go straight into text with my little OCR scanner. Moondyne 16:46, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] tiff support

Any chance you could add tiff support to proofread.js proofreadpage_default_setup(). When the pagename is a tif/tiff, this is the HTML to create and add:

 <object classid="CLSID:106E49CF-797A-11D2-81A2-00E02C015623">
  <param name="src" value="..." />
  <embed type="image/tiff" src="..." />
 </object>

That will allows us to at least set up pages like Page:EB1911-Vol15-EC5A664.TIF as an interim solution.

Thinking further ahead, maybe we can improve mw:Extension:ScanSet to act like a DJVU file. i.e. if we create a dummy File:EB1911 tiff.scanset and it understands File:EB1911 tiff.scanset/Vol15/EC5A664 (and converts the TIFF to PNG). John Vandenberg 01:35, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

i would prefer the second option, because tiff suport is not widespread. also, a scanset is naturally ordered, which means that no index page is needed to create navigation buttons (like in pdf/djvu files).

unfortunately I do not have much time to do this myself atm. feel free to send me a patch, though.

ThomasV 08:17, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Image:Major_General_H._P._Babbage.png is refusing to work for the Page namespace: Page:Major_General_H._P._Babbage.png. Any ideas? John Vandenberg ^(chat) 00:51, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

it works now. there was a bug yesterday, perhaps you encountered it ThomasV 08:00, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] PageQuality -> TextQuality

I noticed you recently made some changes to pages that are part of Index:History of Iowa From the Earliest Times to the Beginning of the Twentieth Century. I was going to get around to asking for someone to change the templates, but you did it before I even asked :). However, only pages i through xviii were changed. I'd be grateful if you could change pages 1 through 325 as well. Also, any pages that don't have the template on them should. They were all proofread by me.

On a side note, you have a minor error on your bot user page. The description says: "The consequences of an erro are under your responsibility!". You could replace that with "The consequences of an error are under your responsibility!".

Thanks! Psychless 03:56, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

hello psychless,

I used a robot in order to update all the pages where the template pagequality was present, because its syntax changed.

All the other pages remained unchanged, so i guess this is why pages 1 to 325 were unchanged.

however, you're not using this extension in an expected way : there are no scans with your pages.

this results in a javascript error, and the quality buttons are not visible (at least not for me)

so I suppose that you added the pagequality template manually ?

why don't you just upload scans ?

ThomasV 11:49, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

I realize I've misunderstood the use of those templates. I've been using Google's page scans. I think it would be best if all of the page/text quality templates were removed. If you can do this with your bot notify me; otherwise, I'll just manually remove them. Psychless 00:20, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

hello psychless!

It is possible to use this extension with google books. For that you have to figure out the url of each image. to show you an example, I modified Page:History of Iowa From the Earliest Times to the Beginning of the Twentieth Century/4/2. (the image is wrong, it is just meant to show you how it works) when the image is present, you can see that there are also 3 'page status' buttons in the edit window.

However, I do not recommend this solution, because google books is not a safe source; they sometimes emove books from public availability, with no apparent reason. you scans will be safer if you create a djvu file and upload it here.

ThomasV 07:43, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Mediawikis for proofread

Hi ThomasV,

Do you know if local wikisources can change at any Mediawiki (I didn't find them!) the words "toggle noinclude sections visibility" (tooltip of "+" toggle button), "Page status" (in a page being edited), "problematic, not proofread, proofread" (autotext when checkbox pressed), "{{PageQuality|3|<User>}}" (auto-noinclude-text; local wikisources can have built PageQuality template before this autotext, so now it must be adapted; it would be a good idea to announce at wikisource-list or local scriptoriums these advancements [wikisource news by Pathoschild is not updated anymore :o( ])?. Thanks, again! -Aleator 02:02, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

they are in Special:Allmessages.

However, the PageQuality template is hardcoded, you need to define it on your wiki. This template must also put the page in the corresponding category.

are you on ca.ws ? it would be good to request a 'page' namespace.

ThomasV 07:50, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wikisource:Scan parties question

Hi Thomas, I noticed that you are the author of List of authors about to enter the public domain and I have a question about w:Ernst Ludwig Kirchner, who died in 1938.

Is this artist's work now in the w:public domain in countries where the rules are artist life + seventy years? --Jahsonic (talk) 14:47, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

i do not know; not an expert about legal questions ThomasV 17:16, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

His works are copyright throughout 2008, which is the 70th year of copyright protection. In some countries, his works will be public domain on Jan 1, 2009. John Vandenberg ^(chat) 21:03, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] French translation

Hey, sorry to bother - but would you be able to try your hand at A Farewell to Love? The language is too archaic for my basic skills, and I'd appreciate if you could give it a try :) Sherurcij ^{Collaboration of the Week: Author:Sabine Baring-Gould} 18:28, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

sorry but I am not interested in translation projects. meanwhile, I think translations should not be hosted on wikisource but on wikibooks. ThomasV 10:07, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Index Pages Registering Changes to PageQuality

Out of curiosity, how long does it (or should it) take for changes in the PageQuality setting of a page in the Page namespace to "migrate upward" to the corresponding Index page? I ask because I've been proofreading pages under Index:H.R. Rep. No. 94-1476 and incrementing the PageQuality settings, but the changes are not being reflected by a change in the colored background boxes on the Index page. Is that updating process automated, or must the Index page be updated by hand whenever the PageQuality setting of one of the underlying pages is altered? Thanks for any guidance. Tarmstro99 16:35, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

you have to 'purge' the cache in order to update the colours. For this, click on the 'pages' link, that has 'action=purge' in the URL ThomasV 10:32, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Ah, I understand. Thanks very much for your help. Tarmstro99 13:19, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] pagelist syntax

A while ago I noticed that you changed one of the "Index:" files to present prettier page numbers. i.e. it displayed page numbers like "i, ii, iii" .. was I imagining this? I am reminded of this as a result of a discussion on WS:S#DjVu_Already_OCRed...

Also, while I am here, we have a proposal to move "Index:" pages into their own namespace; see WS:S#"Index" namespace. Sorry I didnt notify of this earlier. John Vandenberg ^(chat) 11:11, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Proofreading in Page:

I don't know if you have a better place to report bugs, but I have been having problems getting the Proofreading to be saved when using the toggle button in the Page: namespace. Here is an example of a problem page. I was wondering if the problem had to do with SCEhardt's syntax which already existed on the page. I am really out my depth in trying to troubleshoot this, but I thought you would like to know about the issue.--BirgitteSB 18:57, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] DoubleWiki broken?

Hello ThomasV. DoubleWiki seems to have broken recently; see "Is DoubleWiki broken?" on the Scriptorium. —{admin} Pathoschild 08:44:55, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Account renaming

Please can you rename an account for me on http://www.wikisource.org. The account over there is mentioned there, in a posting from Feb 16 2008 Thanks, AP aka --82.42.237.84 19:47, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Bot decategorized

Hello ThomasV. Did you mean to remove the bot category from User:ThomasBot? —{admin} Pathoschild 22:58:51, 07 May 2008 (UTC)

no, it is a mistake. ThomasV 23:02, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re:pagequality

You were absolutely correct. Thanks for notifying me before I messed up all the pages. Psychless 19:18, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Page status

Hi Thomas,

Would you mind updating the extension to give edit summaries of the form

"/* Not proofread */ "

instead of

"/* Not proofread */"

That is, a space at the end of the summary. That way you don't have to type a space before adding a personalised edit summary. This is also the way section editing works on Wikipedia. (I had a look through the MediaWiki namespace, and I couldn't find any way that I could do this myself, so I am assuming it is part of the extension implementation.)

Obviously I won't fret if this can't be done, or if it can but doesn't warrant updating the installation.

Cheers, Hesperian 12:57, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

done, that was easy. wait for r36530. ThomasV 18:01, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. Hesperian 01:42, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] {{page}}

Sorry to bother you again. I was wondering if the value of the span id's in Template:Page are particularly important. I would like to replace <span id="pr_position"> with <span id="{{{num|pr_position}}}">, in the hope/expectation that this will make it possible to hashlink to a page.

My reason for wanting to do so is because I have been transcribing works of systematic botany, and these tend to be strongly crosslinked. For example, Flora Australiensis/Volume V/CIV. Proteaceae/28. Banksia#Banksia ericifolia lists a long series of previous treatments of that species, beginning with "R. Br. in Trans. Linn. Soc. x. 203". In this case "R. Br." should be linked to Author:Robert Brown; "Trans. Linn. Soc." should be linked to Transactions of the Linnean Society of London; "x." should be linked to Transactions of the Linnean Society of London/Volume 10; and 203 should be linked to page 203 of that volume. The last of these is problematic: I could link directly to Page:Transactions of the Linnean Society of London, Volume X - p. 203.png, but I think it is unwise to do so. It would be much better if I could link to Transactions of the Linnean Society of London/Volume 10/On the Proteaceae of Jussieu/Banksia#203, and have that link take me to the right spot. I could make this work by manually enclosing that particular {{page}} call with a <div id="203">, but I hope you'll agree it would be better if this were automated.

Actually, the ability to link to a particular page number seems to me like a fundamental operation. Presumably the need for it is far more prevalent than my rather obscure example.

Hesperian 13:44, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

I suppose it is not important. There used to be some javascript associated with this template, but now it is no longer active. So what you describe should, in principle, be feasible. I encourage you to try and test (perhaps first with another template). You might also want to ask User:Sanberg, he probably knows since he refactored that template. ThomasV 08:25, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Okay, thanks, I'll have a fiddle in my sandbox. It should be pretty straightforward I think. Hesperian 11:50, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Help with ProofreadPage

Hi, ThomasV. Can you tell me what I did wrong here. All I did was edit the page (which had been proofread) and clicked the "validate" button on the page and then save it. Afterwards, the text quality strip goes away (which had been yellow).—Zhaladshar ^(Talk) 14:11, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

I do not know. it works for me.

could you (1) update your javascript (load any page and click on relaod) and (2) test if that happens again ? thanks

ThomasV 14:19, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

It works when I use User:ZSPuppet. There must be something about my monobook.js that messes with the proofreading.—Zhaladshar ^(Talk) 14:38, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] margin trouble

Hi again,

I have been transcribing a document that makes use of a mix of indents, hanging indents and no indents; see, for example, Page:Transactions of the Linnean Society of London, Volume 10 - p. 367.jpg. Whereas I usually ignore these when transcribing text, they contain information in this case, so I have used the text-indent and margin-left properties to capture them. This works fine until I come to transclude all the pages into Transactions of the Linnean Society of London/Volume 10/An Account of a new Genus of New Holland Plants named Brunonia, at which point the text looks fine but the page numbers in the margins are all wiggly. Any suggestions on how to handle this?

Hesperian 01:05, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

sorry, I do not know. I guess this has to do with the 'page template.... perhaps you should ask jayvdb ThomasV 13:07, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Okay, will do; thanks. Hesperian 13:13, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] About A Treatise on Electricity and Magnetism

I'm proofreading (at my best) some pages of the book A Treatise on Electricity and Magnetism , just to learn some more trick. I see that you're the first editor... there's some to verify by the original. When there are two variables a and β mentioned, I presume that the first one is alwais α (alpha)... How can this be verified? The scanning quality is far from perfect. --Alex brollo 13:57, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

I assume that the djvu files on archive.org are better quality. I suggest that they are uploaded to commons, and then the current pages can be moved across to those images. John Vandenberg ^(chat) 14:13, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

The page move should be accomplished easily by stripping step 3 from User:TalBot/atoeam1-move.py and User:TalBot/atoeam2-move.py and changing the base names. Just contact me once you've uploaded the new DjVu.--GrafZahl (talk) 08:03, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

djvu files uploaded. John Vandenberg ^(chat) 11:07, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

do not forget to delete the redirects after the move ThomasV 08:57, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

What have I to do? I guess it's better I stop my edits. --Alex brollo 15:41, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

I saw that A Treatise... has been moved successfully! The scan quality is really good.

John, don't matter to load text into empty pages. I feel very comfortable to load texts from my text processor, after some pre-elaboration (i.e, introducing h3 tags to sub-headings and introduce empty templates where math codes are to be written). There is much work that can be done effectively offline with a rather good text application.

In the meantime, I suggest you again to use widely the Talk page of Index to give some good suggestion about general style of the work. --Alex brollo 19:19, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] error in template:option

The javascript for template:option is causing an error (I verified in FireFox), which was discussed in scriptorium#Bottom-headers, cont. I've commented that code out until a fix can be found. thanks Steve Sanbeg 18:39, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] move fix

Thanks for that move fix. I must have hit Ctrl-V twice. :-( Had so many to do I didn't notice my error. Hesperian 14:38, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Side by side image view for proofreading

RE: Diff, where is the place for the topic? Jeepday (talk) 16:06, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

I do not think that links to wikipedia should be added to source texts, but that is a separate issue. As far as i know, this site's policy is to accept such links. Thus, I suppose that there is a page describing this policy, and you probably want to add it there. this help page is about how to use the ProofreadPage extension; filling it with irrelevant information will only make it look more complicated than it is.

ThomasV 18:01, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

How about like this Diff? Provides direction to the the article guidelines without adding complication. Jeepday (talk) 20:24, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

ok that's great ThomasV 06:06, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Proofread Page extension: missing licence and improving magnification

HI! First of all thank you for this great extension. It's very useful for all the Wikisource project, I use it on it.wikisource.

Only two point:

• In the template in the extension page there is a red "No license specified", it should be fixed.
• I don't know if it's possible, but the magnification seem to be improved. At the moment the extension give a sort of on/off magnification. I think should be usefull to have a pair of +/- like in this system. Do you think is a good idea improve the extension in this direction?

Thanks for your work, --Accurimbono 12:50, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

that zoom is in Flash. I do not think that you can smoothly zoom like that in javascript ThomasV 13:45, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

OK, I just suggest, I'm not a technician! :) Hi! --Accurimbono 20:42, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Extension:Proofread page

As you are credited with the creation of this MediaWiki extension, I would like to ask what it would take for this script to be site-engine agnostic. What I mean is, I want the DjVu-to-PNG converter plus text layer displaying feature to be not tied into MediaWiki, but basically a giant function where you put in a .djvu file and you get out the png and text. You may respond by emailing me. Messedrocker 04:57, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

this question is not about the proofreadpage extension, but about djvu support in Mediawiki. ask Tim, or look in the code ThomasV 08:58, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Pages validated by bots

Hello Thomas,

Look at the history of Page:MKGandhi patriot.djvu/2. Your bot validated the page. I think bots shouldn't be able to do that. Best regards, Yann 11:37, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

you validated the page with 100%. ThomasV 15:14, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Oh, the value of the notation has changed since I validated that page. Before, it was "proofread = 100%", now it is "proofread = 75%". So never mind. Yann 15:27, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

As both the note on the file, and the comment above yours on my talk page noted, the file was for translation purposes. But I think I will simply find another place to contribute texts. Libertatia 04:55, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Large Djvu upload

Could you upload this djvu file of EB1911 Volume 1 to the Commons? It's about 80MB, and we want to keep it together. Psychless 20:02, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

no i cannot. I suppose you have to ask someone who has shell access ThomasV 08:05, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Do you know someone with shell access who would be willing to do it? Psychless 13:58, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

perhaps Tim Starling. ask him on irc. ThomasV 16:32, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] proposal to encode a paragraph start at top of transcription page

Does this look ok to you? [2] Are there better solutions in use on fr.ws and/or de.ws? --John Vandenberg ^(chat) 13:58, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Weird annotation

Hi ThomasV,

I don't understand why this note is placed vertically in page mode here and here. Is the display vertical only on my screen or on other ones as well? It is normal on this page and on this one, though. Is there something that I have forgotten? Thanks if you can help.- --Zyephyrus 22:44, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Final push for the Proofread of the Month...

This month's Proofread of the Month, Index:The Pilgrim Cookbook.djvu, is still a ways away from being fully validated. However, we're within striking distance.

If all ten members proofread just two (but preferably three) pages a day, we'll be able to finish the book before the end of the month.

We can do it. :) EVula // talk // 01:20, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Basic index edit page

Hi,

I would like to be able to copy Index: pages. For example, I would like to be able to copy the code from Index:The_Perth_Gazette_and_Western_Australian_Journal_1(3).djvu, and paste it to Index:The_Perth_Gazette_and_Western_Australian_Journal_1(4).djvu, Index:The_Perth_Gazette_and_Western_Australian_Journal_1(5).djvu, Index:The_Perth_Gazette_and_Western_Australian_Journal_1(6).djvu, Index:The_Perth_Gazette_and_Western_Australian_Journal_1(7).djvu, etc; making only tiny changes each time. Unfortunately the form-based interface makes it impossible to do so. What I need is something akin to the Commons basic upload form, which allows one to bypass the form-based standard upload form. What do you think?

Hesperian 04:54, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

you may temporarily disable javascript ThomasV (talk) 21:34, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Will do; thanks for the tip. Hesperian 23:10, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

[edit] A includeonly problem

Hi ThomasV,

A includeonly part of this page ought to appear in this one but it doesn't. Can you understand why? I don't know how to obtain the two parts of the poem in one another continuity. It doesn't work with two pages transcluded. Can you find a solution for that without breaking the layout? Thanks if you can help, it is our Project of the month proofreading.---Zyephyrus (talk) 17:21, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Calling OCR by a bot

I'm boldly testing my bot Alebot into it.source; I know some python and I really enjoy such an opportunity. Recently I created some pages into a Page: spacename with a {{OCR}} only content, and all ran marvellously. Then I created some Page: pages with a different content, then I tried to replace such content with {{OCR}}, but nothing happened. I suppose from this mistake by me, that OCR is called only when you create a new page and put the template as the first content. Have I to delete wrong pages, and to put {{OCR}} into them when I create them again? Can you give me a link to learn more about OCR & bots? Thanks! --Alex brollo (talk) 10:56, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

no, if nothing happens if is because my bot crashed ThomasV (talk) 13:07, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Merry Christmas by Alebot :-)

Hi Thomas, and Merry Christmas by Alebot ... and by me, its driver.

Just to let you know that I'm working about python bot "post-elaboration" of OCR output with encouraging results, since I found that there are many typical and recurrent OCR mistakes that can be found and fixed by a script. I'm working on it:Indice:Manzoni.djvu; the current pre-pre-beta script is ocr procedure in the collection of procedures here: it:Utente:Alebot/Scripts. --Alex brollo (talk) 13:30, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Bot not running

Hello,

Your is bot is not running now. Could you start it please? Thanks, Yann (talk) 16:58, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

The bot is running, so thank you, but there is a problem with the OCR; it is completely useless: Page:MKGandhi patriot.djvu/124 :((. Even in French, I got better results with scans of this quality. Yann (talk) 15:28, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] On Page: Proofread status lost when adding category with HotCat

Gday Thomas. To a proofread page when I add Category:Works needing image cleanup using the HotCat (preferences) gadget, the proofread status disappears, so it has to be reinstated with another edit. I am presuming that this is due to the HotCat, though I just wanted to float the query past you first. Thanks. -- billinghurst (talk) 06:48, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

I guess too. ThomasV (talk) 18:07, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] pagelist forgets roman

Hi Thomas,

There seems to be a problem with <pagelist>. Before,

<pagelist 1="1;roman" 6="1"/>

would yield

i ii iii iv v 1 ...

Now, it yields

i 2 3 4 5 1 ...

Hesperian 14:21, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

hi. the syntax changed (see mailing list). ThomasV (talk) 18:06, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

There is other secret information out there, somewhere else? Cool. Which mailing list, and where are the archives? If it is not too rude to ask. :-) Thx. -- billinghurst (talk) 23:23, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Thomas. Is this the usual Wikisource mailing list? If so, I guess I'll get your messing in the next digest. Hesperian 23:45, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

the secret information is at Wikisource:Mailing list. there's even a secret link to the archives ThomasV (talk) 06:05, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Is there a way to make the roman numbers start at one? I'm looking at Index:Debates in the Several State Conventions, v4.djvu. Page 5 should start with roman numeral i, not v. The old way (semicolon) doesn't seem to be working. --Spangineer^wp (háblame) 06:09, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Thomas was so kind as to demonstrate the new format for me here. I think you will find your answer there. Hesperian 06:36, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Got it now—thanks! --Spangineer^wp (háblame) 06:48, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Problem with Javascript on Index: pages

There seems to be a problem with the Javascript on Index: pages. I have twice edited Index:Charles von Hügel (1903 memoir).djvu (which I didn't create), entered an edit summary and hit save, only for the Javascript to erase my edit summary and replace it with "/* new index */". Hesperian 12:14, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

yes, I know about that. thank youThomasV (talk) 11:50, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Strange OCR cutoff

I notice that Index:The Fight at Dame Europa's School.djvu produced strange OCR results, cutting off the lines long before the margin, resulting in only the left half of each page being transcribed, and hundreds of "half-sentences" being OCRed alone.

The problem doesn't seem to be with the file, since the Archive.org OCR attempt seen here was much clearer and didn't have the same problems a page like Page:The Fight at Dame Europa's School.djvu/25 has. Sherurcij ^{Collaboration of the Week: Author:Carl Jung.} 06:36, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

why don't you use the archive.org text then ? ThomasV (talk) 07:59, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

I am going back and slowly replacing the OCR with the Archive.org text; just alerting you to the issue in case it would help troubleshoot in the future. Sherurcij ^{Collaboration of the Week: Author:Carl Jung.} 05:16, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] proofreadpage rtl

Hi Thomas, replied to you earlier here. Dovi (talk) 07:34, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Hi, I'm obviously doing something wrong, because I get no zoom when I click either on the he: example or on examples here, whether on the Page: page or in edit mode. I found the "Zoom" discussion at Wikisource:Scriptorium but don't understand what horizontal versus vertical zoom is or how to do it. Dovi (talk) 11:39, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

the current zoom does not work by clicking in the image, there are buttons in the toolbar for that. in the future I plan to add mouse wheel zooming ThomasV (talk) 11:43, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for Proofread extension

We don't often stop and take the opportunity to reflect and to say thank you. The work that you have been doing for the proofread extension is both useful and valuable. Thanks for the time that you take with its development, the work and time is appreciated. -- billinghurst (talk) 01:18, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

I'll second that... Dovi (talk) 02:09, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

thanks for the support :-) ThomasV (talk) 16:45, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] a suggestion

Hi Thomas,

A minor ergonomic improvement suggestion for the ProofreadPage extension:

I often navigate through transcription pages by clicking on the left and right arrow buttons. Mostly, so long as I don't move the mouse, the same button remains under my mouse cursor the whole time, so I only have to aim my mouse at the forward button once, and thereafter I can move through pages by repeatedly clicking the mouse button.

This is true except for the first and last pages. On the first page there is no left arrow button, so the right arrow button is moved to the left. This catches me out often. I will click on the right arrow from page 1, and end up on page 2. Then, without moving my mouse, I will click again, intending to go to page 3, but the button under my mouse cursor is now the left-arrow button, so I will end up back at page 1 again.

This minor annoyance would be removed if you altered the code to disable the left arrow button on page 1, rather than removing it; and similar for the right arrow button on the last page.

Hesperian 00:53, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Javascript problem: not filtering quotes

Look at the title entry at Index:Illustrationes florae Novae Hollandiae.djvu. Now edit that page and look at the title entry. Everything after the first quote has been consumed by proofreadpage_index.js. It occurred to me that this bug could well make us vulnerable to code injection, but I haven't been able to confirm that. But it is a bug all the same.

(In future, would you prefer me to raise these bugs in bugzilla?)

Hesperian 02:00, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

thanks for the report. that bug does not expose to code injection. I've set up a cross-domain page oldwikisource:Wikisource:ProofreadPage for reporting bugs. ThomasV (talk) 06:07, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Proofread bug with IE?

Hello Thomas. Could you review User talk:Hesperian#Page:A Specimen of the Botany of New Holland.djvu/27 please. When I attempt to edit that page in IE the edit box vanishes after a couple of seconds. It works fine in FF. Here's a screen dump and here's the error screen. Djanga (talk) 07:49, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Missing scroll bar in side by side edit view

You mentioned on WS:S that an update was made to the code for side by side proofreading; did this update happen to remove the scroll bar from the page image in the side by side edit view? It seems to have disappeared recently, at least for me in FF 3. --Spangineer^wp (háblame) 19:09, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

yes, in vertical mode scrolling now zooms in/out. ThomasV (talk) 22:10, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] OCR

Cheers for that, and for everthing you do! Is there a simple way that I can "purge" a work? Cygnis insignis (talk) 13:45, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

visit the file page, add ?action=purge to the url. if the djvu file does not contain a text layer, you can even download it, ocr it, add the text layer, and upload it as a new version of the file. ThomasV (talk) 13:47, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! Is this something anyone can easily do? (I tried modifying the url as you say but there must be more to it, as it isn't working for me) --Spangineer^wp (háblame) 14:42, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

if it does not work it means that the file you purged has no djvu layer ThomasV (talk) 15:02, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Got it now—I didn't realize it had to be done on the file in Wikisource's file namespace. Thanks! --Spangineer^wp (háblame) 15:36, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

I messed about with this, without success, and managed to break something at Index:Voyage in search of La Perouse (Stockdale).djvu. If you can help, I promise not to try this sort of thing again :) Cygnis insignis (talk) 17:59, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

don't worry, you did not break it. it is a bug in my code. if it is what I think it is, then I already fixed it a few days ago, but the fix is not yet active. I will purge again once the fix goes live ThomasV (talk) 20:01, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Is there a problem with PageNum? Cygnis insignis (talk) 17:10, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

yes, it is so heavy that it quickly reaches the transclusion limit, and it has been deemed insane by developers. use 'pages' instead, it does the same and is easier to use. ThomasV (talk) 17:49, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

If you mean <pages index />, it is an improvement that has a couple of bugs: a broken table at Description of the Natives and the previously given link Hermione/How Suffering Purifies One! I'll convert to {{Page}} and number manually if this is still being developed. Cygnis insignis (talk) 18:20, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

hmm, sorry I did not know about that bug (the broken table). is there another bug ? if yes, I do not see it ThomasV (talk) 18:25, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

No links to Page: space, and therefore no numbering, at Hermione. It worked at the other example, curiously. Cygnis insignis (talk) 18:38, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

the links are there. they are optional, see the 'links to scanned pages' link displayed in the toolbox ThomasV (talk) 18:40, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the replies. Cygnis insignis (talk) 18:43, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

ok, I just fixed the bug in svn [3]. thanks for the report. please be patient, the fix will not go live until the next update. ThomasV (talk) 18:56, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Ta. Is it possible to the have links displayed on unfinished pages, perhaps defaulting to the current arrangement (off) when it is protected? The downside of this would be that users might not become familiar with this new option. I might use it myself, if I was reading a longer work ... why do we have Page:links in the left margin? Cygnis insignis (talk) 20:08, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

this is currently not possible. links are in the left margin because of the settings of the Page template. this can be configured differently, though. ThomasV (talk) 20:14, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, I switched that on again. Is there a fix available for this, it still reads error. Cygnis insignis (talk) 18:23, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

not now ThomasV (talk) 08:54, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] {{PageNum}} and <pages index>

I am guessing you removed the information about the PageNum template from H:Side for some reason... and I see Cygnis insignis has a similar question to mine: basically, is there something wrong with PageNum or is there some reason why we should not use it? I looked at the code and it looked awfully ungainly. It seems much easier to use than producing multiple instances of {{tl|Page}. Any suggestions and comments regarding this are appreciated. --Mkoyle (talk) 17:53, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

see above : you should use the 'pages' command ThomasV (talk) 17:56, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Would it be acceptable to undo your deletion of the PageNum information at H:Side using <pages>? or do we need to wait a while to be certain pages works as expected? --Mkoyle (talk) 18:17, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

ok, undo me if it does not work as expected. ThomasV (talk) 18:27, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

I'll put pages in there and start using it and if there is any problem, I will let you know. Thanks, Thomas --Mkoyle (talk) 18:31, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] When editing a new Page: page

The text when I pull up a new Page namespace page is

which doesn't seem to cover DjVu pages where there may be a new text layer. Is that text one of your creations, or is it a Mediawiki file? Thanks. -- billinghurst (talk) 04:37, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

it is a mediawiki message. on fr.ws I configured it to be different for the 'page' namespace, using some javascript ThomasV (talk) 14:08, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

here is the relevant bit :

function add_msg(){
	if((!wgCurRevisionId) && self.proofreadPageIsEdit && self.proofreadPageViewURL) {
		var msg  = document.getElementById("msgNewarticletext"); 
		if(msg) msg.innerHTML = "<div style=\"border:1px solid #CCC; padding:0.5em;\">Vous avez suivi un lien vers une page en mode fac-similé, pour laquelle le texte n'est pas encore disponible. Vous pouvez compléter cette page en entrant le texte dans la boîte ci-dessous. Vous pouvez demander une reconnaissance automatique de caractères, en utilisant le service d'OCR de Wikisource.</div>";
	}
}
addOnloadHook(add_msg);

[edit] Create namespace for vi.ws

Hello Thomas, I have filed a request to create some namespaces for vi.ws, but it seems that the assignee cannot do it right now. I'm in some kind of hurry to create Author pages and create djVu in vi.ws. Could you take a look at that bug and implement it for me because I know you're a developer. Thanks in advance. Vinhtantran (talk) 16:50, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

no, I cannot do that. you need to ask someone who's got shell access ThomasV (talk) 19:39, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Problems with new update

Hi Thomas,

Please see Wikisource:Scriptorium#Problems with new update. Hesperian 05:44, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Another problem?

Hi Thomas,

Index:Mammals of Australia (Gould), introduction.djvu is showing seven pages as "Not proofread" when in fact these pages are "Validated". I have tried purging both the individual pages and the index. Any idea what is going on here?

Hesperian 12:46, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

I have seen that elsewhere. I do not know what causes it. null-edits fix the pages. ThomasV (talk) 16:26, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Another?

Sorry, I don't mean to harass you. I guess you want to be told about these little issues....

If you click on The Botanical Magazine/Volume II, which doesn't transclude any pages, you'll be redirected to The Botanical Magazine/Volume 2. Just below the title it says "(Redirected from The Botanical Magazine/Volume II)"; this serves two important functions: it informs me that I was redirected, and it gives me access to the redirect page.

If you click on The Botanical Magazine/Volume I, which does transclude pages, you'll be redirected to The Botanical Magazine/Volume 1, but this time there is no "(Redirected from..." message. The green progress bar that the new update puts beneath the title sits in the precise location where the "(Redirected from..." message should have been. Therefore I assume that the progress bar has clobbered the redirect message.

Hesperian 05:21, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

yes I know about that one. it is already fixed in the code. thanks for the report ThomasV (talk) 19:59, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] And another

Pages that are transcluded into the Table of Contents section of an index page are not colour-coded in the Pages section; see Index:Life of William Blake, Pictor ignotus (Volume 2).djvu. Hesperian 02:34, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Hard-Coding Image Parameters in Index Template

Would you mind taking a quick look at this issue? I am worried that, due to my ignorance, I may break things if I try to fix the problem. Thanks very much! Tarmstro99 (talk) 15:16, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

go ahead; if you break something you'll just need to revert your changes. you may want to look at the fr.ws template, I optimized it to save screen space; check a few examples at http://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/Special:Random/Livre (the same link is in the toolbar) ThomasV (talk) 16:15, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, I will do so. I have been impressed with some of the examples on fr.ws. Tarmstro99 (talk) 20:38, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] In case it is helpful <pages> with #tag

After some struggling, I was able pull together some tags with parameters that may be useful if we ever want to template <pages>.

This specific example is for DNB, and I have it configured to use |section, presuming that naming is consistent, and we do wish to subst: it.

{{subst:#tag:pages||index="Dictionary of National Biography volume {{{volume|}}}.djvu"
|from={{{from|}}}|to={{{to|}}}|fromsection={{{fromsection|{{{section|}}}}}}
|tosection={{{tosection|{{{section|}}}}}}}}

If of no use, it is fine. Waste not, want not. -- billinghurst (talk) 12:03, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Polish Wikisource

Hi, when you have time, could you see what is wrong with this: pl:Indeks:Opis ziem zamieszkanych przez Polaków 1.djvu. It isnt urgent, as the page transcription can begin; see pl:Strona:Opis ziem zamieszkanych przez Polaków 1.djvu/6. --John Vandenberg ^(chat) 03:28, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Don't worry ... I have fixed it ;-)

John Vandenberg ^(chat) 03:32, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] proofread_index.js edit form construction fix

Hi; this is a response from Wikisource:Scriptorium#Index page editing bug: double quote escaping.

I took a stab at fixing the problem described there, and came up with the following patch to construct the index page edit form using DOM methods instead of innerHTML. It's unrun and untested, but hopefully you can use it as the basis of a fix.

--- proofread_index.js.orig	2009-07-19 18:28:19.000000000 +0200
+++ proofread_index.js	2009-10-15 03:20:08.000000000 +0200
@@ -11,6 +11,17 @@
 	return '';
 }
 
+function makeElement(tagName, attrs, children) {
+	var elem = document.createElement(tagName);
+	if (attrs !== undefined)
+		for (var name in attrs)
+			elem.setAttribute(name, attrs[name]);
+	if (children !== undefined)
+		for (var i = 0; i < children.length; i++)
+			elem.appendChild(children[i]);
+	return elem
+}
+
 function proofreadpage_index_init() {
 
 	var toolbar = document.getElementById("toolbar"); 
@@ -33,14 +44,17 @@
 	var container = document.createElement("div");
 
 	var index_attributes = self.prp_index_attributes.split('\n');
-	var str = '<div style="display:none;"><textarea id="wpTextbox1" name="wpTextbox1">'+new_text.value+'</textarea></div>';
-	str = str + '<table>';
+	container.appendChild(
+		makeElement('div', {style: 'display:none;'}, [
+			makeElement('textarea', {id: 'wpTextbox1', name: 'wpTextbox1', value: new_text.value})])
+	);
+
+	var rows = [];
 	for(i=0;i<index_attributes.length;i++){
 		m = index_attributes[i].split('|');
 		param_name = m[0];
 
 		if(m[1]) param_label=m[1]; else param_label=param_name;
-		str = str + '<tr><td>'+param_label+': </td>';
 
 		value = findparam(params,param_name);
 		value = value.replace(/\{\{!\}\}/g,'|');
@@ -49,15 +63,16 @@
 		if( (m[0]=="Footer") && (value=="") ) value = prp_default_footer;
 
 		if(m[2]) size=m[2]; else size="1";
-		if(size=="1") {
-			str = str + '<td><input	name="'+param_name+'" size=60 value="'+value+'"/></td></tr>'; 
-		}
-		else{
-			str = str +'<td><textarea name="'+param_name+'" cols=60 rows='+size+'>'+value+'</textarea></td></tr>';
-		}
+
+		rows.push(makeElement('tr', {}, [
+			makeElement('td', {}, [document.createTextNode(param_label)]),
+			makeElement('td', {}, [size == "1"
+				? makeElement('input', {name: param_name, size: '60', value: value})
+				: makeElement('textarea', {name: param_name, cols: '60', rows: size}, [document.createTextNode(value)])
+			)]),
+		]);
 	}
-	str = str +'</table>';
-	container.innerHTML = str;
+	container.appendChild(makeElement('table', {}, rows));
 
 	var saveButton = document.getElementById("wpSave");
 	var previewButton = document.getElementById("wpPreview");

--Piet Delport (talk) 02:57, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

thanks, I 'll take a look when I have time ThomasV (talk) 13:00, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Request

Hi ThomasV

This request was put when ThomasBot was not connected. Do I simply wait now or do i put the request again to activate it? --Zyephyrus (talk) 13:24, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

It was perfect till the page 107 but now there is a problem: the command Match doesn't want to work past the page 108 here. I have tried again with a shorter text here from this page but it doesn't want to work either. What can I do? --Zyephyrus (talk) 16:35, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] FYI

—> Template talk:Page#Missing page numbers? Hesperian 23:52, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Question

See Wikisource talk:WikiProject OCR -> why is the OCR button not showing on Polish Wikisource? Sample scanned page - no text, no OCR button. --Piotrus (talk) 23:31, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

it is not part of the extension; you need to copy the relevant bits from Common.js ThomasV (talk) 07:57, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Index:History of West Australia

Hi Thomas. A while back you created that for me. Its now redundant to Index:History of West Australia.djvu. Can you zap it plse? Moondyne (talk) 15:38, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

• Done billinghurst (talk) 16:35, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Czech language

Some time have passed and I am comeing back to Wikisource with a question if you are able to read Czech language with your bot?--Juan de Vojníkov (talk) 09:25, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

it depends on what kind of task you want to do with the robot. Are you talking about the OCR task ? if yes, the ocr uses tesseract, and there is no czech version of tesseract. ThomasV (talk) 13:28, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

OK, thanks. I was talking about OCR.--Juan de Vojníkov (talk) 18:28, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

you can try with the english ocr; maybe it gives good results ThomasV (talk) 18:45, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Proofread Page in Hebrew

Hi Thomas.

Recently at Hebrew Wikisource there has been much discussion and experimentation with the Proofread Page extension, which you have developed most successfully. It has been put to use with several texts, but two issues remain.

The first issue is the magnification. When we discussed this some time ago you mentioned that this had been fixed for RTL. It could be that we at he.wikisource are misunderstanding how it is to be used, but we still seem to see the same problem: Only a portion of the page image (mostly the right side) can be magnified by clicking and rolling. For an example, see any page of this book. It seems to work differently, by the way, in Firefox/Chrome than in Explorer.

The second issue is OCR. On the one hand, is there any way to implement Hebrew OCR into the extension? On the other hand, we work extensively with texts from a website called HebrewBooks.org, which contains PDF scans of over 40,000 out-of-copyright Hebrew books, and has high-quality Hebrew OCR as well. The problem of course is that when these are converted to DjVu the OCR is lost. Is there any way to use the Proofread Page extension with PDF documents? Or is there any way to transfer the OCR when converting a PDF to a DjVu file?

(Also notice that obviously for RTL reasons the "next page" and "previous page" arrows appear wrong in at the top of individual pages.)

It would be great if you could offer any helpful ideas regarding either of these problems. Dovi (talk) 14:17, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Hi Dovi

The magnification issue was fixed at some point, because I discarded the current zoom; I replaced it by mouse scroll zoom in edit mode, and no zoom in view mode. However some users complained about no zoom in view mode, so I put it back; and this zoom does not work at he.ws. It is really difficult for me to fix it for rtl languages, because I do not really understand what is going on... In edit mode too, the scroll zoom behaves strangely. However, you can use the horizontal edition layout; it seems to work normally at he.ws. You can set it up for your whole site, using

var proofreadpage_default_layout="horizontal";

The OCR button is not built into the extension. It is a javascript/ajax gadget that calls a server running on the toolserver. But this OCR uses Tesseract, and I don't think it works in hebrew. In any case, this button method is completely deprecated; it is much much better to work a djvu file that has an ocr text layer. When it is edited for the first time, a page from a djvu file is preloaded with the OCR text layer of the djvu. This allows you to do the ocr with whatever tool you have. So, the procedure is 1. do the ocr of your book. 2 create a djvu file from the pdf, with the ocr text inside 3 upload it to commons. 4. create index page at he.ws.

The next/previous page issue seems easy to fix. I will do that.

ThomasV (talk) 15:17, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

here's a patch for the next/prev buttons : http://he.wikisource.org/wiki/%D7%9E%D7%A9%D7%AA%D7%9E%D7%A9:ThomasV/monobook.js

it seems to work

ThomasV (talk) 15:38, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Category: and Match and Split

Hi TweekGuru. Noticed with Match and Split that if there is a category at the end of a work, that it is collected by the last split page. Is it possible for the next rendition of Split to ignore Category:... when it is pasting to the Page: namespace? Thx billinghurst (talk) 06:22, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

no, you have to move at the top of the page what you dont want to be moved in the page namespace ThomasV (talk) 09:08, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

[edit] match & split with url containing " "

Just to make a note that when a work url/name has " " in the title, that it just complains and doesn't inform of anything. When work moved to without " " all worked fine. billinghurst (talk) 05:01, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

[edit] transcluding tables into index page

Hi Thomas,

I have seen a lot of problems lately with transcluding tables into index pages. This is not an uncommon situation, because often contents pages get transcluded to the index page, and of course contents pages may be laid out using tables. See Index:Popular Science Monthly Volume 2.djvu for an example of this problem. Do you know how to fix this? Since this is not an uncommon problem, is it possible to fix it in the index template, so that these problems do not keep occurring?

Hesperian 23:57, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

A <br /> with the table starting a new line fixes the problem. Undertaken in above link.

Note that this is more than tables where this occurs and it seems to be transcluding of wiki code, rather than other code, and seems more related to abutting <noinclude></noinclude> than the Page: environment per se. Another example is when the start of the file ==Chapter 2== where it shows it as is, rather than wikify it. Same thing happens if you abutt the start of the Notes field of {{header}} with similar wiki code. billinghurst (talk) 01:27, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Strange that <br /> works but neither {{blank line}} nor {{nop}} do... but as you say they are "wiki code, rather than other code". Hesperian 01:29, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Doesn't {{blank line}} only work in main namespace, not Index: Maybe we should invert its function so that it only does nothing in Page: namespace. billinghurst (talk) 03:04, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

I wrapped this section inside a div. it should fix it. ThomasV (talk) 01:56, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. Hesperian 02:36, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Feature request

Hi,

Often when validating pages, I make some changes, add a comment to the edit summary box, then push the validated radio button. This deletes my edit summary and I have to write it again. It would be good if the Javascript could be tweaked to preserve whatever is already in the edit summary; but of course you don't want to preserve the old status. Maybe the best way to implement it would be to remove anything between "/*" and "*/" at the front of the edit summary, then prepend whatever is left with the new status, e.g. "/* Validated */".

Hesperian 00:33, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Match and Split discussion (parking for later)

Feature request for Match. Wondering whether Match would be able to either have a stop/skip phrase; where the purpose is to match to a certain point and then stop, or be able to get it to skip for a stretch of marked pages. This would enable batches of blank/image/... pages to be excluded and then allow match to continue through. Often easier to block out sections at the beginning, than to repeatedly undertake the work

Similarly, if one was to mark the pages as without text, or possibly something unique, so that Match & Split would know not to touch those pages when it was strolling through.

Just thoughts to record for whenever you get back to M&S. Thanks. billinghurst (talk) 06:15, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

i guess i'm going to instruct it not to touch pages that are not uncorrected ThomasV (talk) 13:28, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Forgetting to stop

Occasionally, I see that M&S forgets to stop at the end of the document and continues off into its own fairyland. Here is my latest example. -- billinghurst (talk) 06:35, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Index: page - document type

Hi Thomas. With the document type in the Index: namespace, I would like us to consider where historical documents would fit. From the sources that you have been referencing, have you an indication of what they should be called? Here I am thinking of court documents, FBI documents, Wills, etc. Some of the stuff that does not fall under the traditional publication criteria, though still falls within our scope of WS:IO. Thanks. billinghurst (talk) 07:01, 6 January 2010 (UTC)