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April 2013-'14.

Box and Cox

Hi, just thought I'd let you know that your work on Cox and Box encouraged me to finally get around to putting the original play (one of my favourites) on here. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 04:28, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

It IS nice, isn't it? I like it too. Thanks! Clockery ^{talk contribs} 06:18, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

sixty-six candles but nary a match nor bic to flick

(copy) 91 A little something I happened to see...

Hi, Maury, hope you don't mind, I was just going over some pages from the Recent Changes page, when I happened over this section on Hesperian's talk page, and saw that your birthday was on 12 May. Well, it's a long time since 12 May, but I thought I would come over and wish you a (rather belated) Happy Birthday! Sincerely—Clockery Fairfield (talk·contribs) 10:51, 29 May 2013 (UTC) (/copy)

Wow, thank you very much Clockwork Orange! (Teasing ya,} But I sincerely do thank you. As one gets older, starting at my present age, birthday greetings become important (from anyone who is obviously a nice person ) once again because you know that clock is ticking away. You can hear and count the heartbeats when falling asleep whereas before you never paid any attention to them. When young one never cares about birthday greetings because so many years lay ahead. At least that's the way I thought of it all. Now I look back over my entire life and ignore the bad things that happened as much as possible while thinking of the good things and then think of what have I really achieved with my life, what things were really worth having been done -- like quitting my university education after one year but not wanting to, and instead volunteering for the military so my parents would be able to afford to send my sister through the university. I think that was my most honorable sacrifice of my entire life and I take the greatest pride in that and it is more important to me than 6 lives I saved including 2 drowning civilians at once who were already about 5 feet down and sinking in murky water. One had blond hair and I could see a very faint light from that blond hair. The other I could not see but felt around with my legs and found her. When pushing them both up at the same time that pushed me down deeper. Long story but I did it. I also used my G.I.Bill &c and went back through the university to get my degrees. I was a "professional student" as people would say during that time. So, I suppose my life has been worth living but I would not want to go through it again. Now I have become a computer nerd living in days of relaxed peace which is the exact opposite of my past. This nerd situation is a bit boring but at least it is peaceful and I have always loved learning and books -- so here I retire amongst the realm of silverfish, cobwebs, dusky smells of our precious old books to save, and other sages & bookworms. I think this is worth doing. Thank you once again. Respectfully, —Maury (talk) 01:33, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Paragraph breaks

Breaks between paragraphs should be made using a blank line between the two paragraphs, not with a <br> tag. Please refer to the Help:Beginner's guide to typography. --EncycloPetey (talk) 18:09, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. Didn't know about it before, so will watch out later. Sincerely—Clockery Fairfield ^{(talk·contribs)} 18:13, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

Btw, thanks for your help with this one. Sincerely—Clockery Fairfield ^{(talk·contribs)} 18:16, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

Balthasar Hübmaier pg 8

OK. I've actually gone back to the archive.org sets and created a higher resolution image as well as smartening it up.--Laverock ( Talk ) 12:43, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

excellence

Clockery, I'm sure you already know this but I still wish to verbalize it — you are excellent in your editing work! I wish I knew you and many others here in person because people here on wikisource are people of quality in many ways that I constantly learn from. Respectfully, —Maury (talk) 03:03, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Quote: Hope you don't mind me going on like this..

No, not at all. Write a book on my talk page if you wish, I am a "people person" who enjoys conversations with everyone. Seriously, most anything you would write would most likely interest me unless it is complex math. For example, is Clockery your given name or an alias? What is its origin? OR if you prefer use my email shown on en.WS under preferences and I'll converse from there. There isn't much that my curiosity doesn't desire. It's always hungry for most any subject and in my years I have covered a lot of subject studies -- academic and more so personal studies. I really am impressed with your work, I wasn't kidding. There are people here that I have had conversations with and they are wonderful people from far-away places. Raul and I worked on books on Mexico (he lives in Mexico City and is somewhat of an an archaeologist but spends his time helping the poor of Mexico). I telephoned him and talked. Like several others here he speaks more than two languages. On en.WS we have people from England, New Zealand, USA, Australia, Canada and I don't know where else. Oh, about "people judging people". I don't care what a person looks like, what their sexual orientation is, what their religion and politics are, what color they are -- none of that stuff that causes problems among people and I never have been that way. People are people, we either get along with one another or get away from one another and thereby maintain Peace. Kindest regards, —Maury (talk) 15:53, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Intelligence and good manners know no boundaries of age. I once had a very young friend whose father was in charge of an observatory near where I lived. That son was brilliant and taught me a lot about the stars and their importance that we had barely had mentioned in high school classes, if at all. I went with him to the observatory and his father set it so that we could watch the colors of Venus change and more. I was a teen but he wasn't that old yet. I learned from him fascinating things about the movement of the stars. He was highly intelligent and spoke like a professor but on a level that I could understand what he taught me. All of the rest of my life I have remained grateful to him--even now as I recall him and what he taught. I saw magnificent and wondrous things through U.Va.'s telescope on McCormic road. I remember with enthusiasm the things I saw and learned all of those decades ago. As for India, its history is fascinating as are the stories written about it. A place of ancient civilization, amazing architecture, and hundreds of religions. I had a friend, a girl in class, from India. I will try to spell her name. Sushamaw Agamawal. It was fun teaching her that the white stuff falling from the sky was called "snow" -- something she had never seen -- and what can be done with it for play. —Maury (talk) 16:51, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Score extension

Hi, it looks like you missed out on the news that the Score extension has been deployed. The music typesetting we get from it is very good. Have a look at Page:Beethoven's Ninth Symphony (Grove).djvu/15 where I've done the three snippets and put them immediately over the images you've snagged. With it being term time you probably don't have time right now to learn how to do scores, so the best way to flag that they're needed is to use {{missing score}} and one of the score junkies (like myself) will come along and deal with them. At the moment, if the score is too long or too complex the parser is choking on it, so I've left the G&S Vocal Scores until that problem has been fixed. But for these short snippets of music it will be just fine. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 08:52, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip. I'd heard about it, and tried to do it myself, but [miserably :)] failed. Could you explain it to me later? I'd find a lot of use for it, seeing that most of the works I'm adding use scores. Sincerely—Clockery Fairfield (talk) 08:59, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

And, btw, what should be done to the images which I'd already uploaded? Should they be deleted? —Clockery Fairfield (talk) 09:02, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

My perspective: Don't worry about them. I assume you uploaded to Commons so each of them would have to go through a deletion discussion as they don't meet a speedy deletion criterion. The hassle really isn't worth it. If they worry you, then check in with Billinghurst as he's an admin over there and would be able to advise better than me. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 09:11, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. I think I'll leave 'em alone — they might be useful later. —Clockery Fairfield (talk) 09:19, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Re:Cox and Box

It's very easy to proofread when you've got a 27" iMac screen and the "eyes of a hawk". BTW do you know we 2 versions of Cox and Box at Index:Box and Cox.djvu and Index:Cox and box 2.djvu. The second one has 2 non-proofread pages, if you could proofread them the Index can then be validated. The first version has more characters including a Mrs. Bouncer and the second version has a lot of sheet music. --kathleen wright5 (talk) 21:56, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

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Cox and Box redux

Hi, have a look at Cox and Box (complete)/Overture and let me know what you think. I've had to cheat to get the score to flow across the pages without leaving huge amounts of white space between the djvu pages. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 10:04, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

I've worked out how to fix the white space areas, so I've stopped the cheating and any changes a validator makes will show up in the score (but not the audio—that would have be rederived). I've also had a go at Rataplan. The next number is a duet, with the melody line sometimes on one staff and sometimes on two. So, I've got some playing with the Lilypond manual to do before I have a go at that. Cheers, Beeswaxcandle (talk) 09:46, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

I've tried doing the score bits myself, and I must say I don't envy you the job. But I'm sure you'll do a great job, as you always do. Thanks a lot! Best wishes,—Clockery Fairfeld (talk) 09:53, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for validating some of my medical document. I proofread a few pages of your "Songs of a Savoyard". Do you know Hindi? I have some translations of some Wikipedia articles from English to Hindi and I would like help from someone who can read the language when I paste them into Hindi Wikipedia. Would you check my work if I did this? I just want section headings to be appropriate; I do not need any actual translation because that is already done. Blue Rasberry (talk) 00:54, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

You're welcome. Thanks for proofreading mine, I've wanted to complete that book for a long time, but I got distracted by erm… other matters. :)

And, in reply to your query, yes, I do know Hindi, albeit not as well as I should. However, I should, with a little luck, be able to check them. Let me know what I should do. Regards—Clockery Fairfeld (talk) 04:55, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Incidents of Travel in Central America, Chiapas and Yucatan

Thank you for that fix. But how does on add Frederick Catherwood as shown in the Index to that same page you fixed? Respectfully, —Maury (talk) 14:40, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

Do you mean that you want to add the wikipedia link to Frederick Catherwood as the editor link? I thought we had to give it as a link to the author page. In the latter case, we can make a new author page for him. What do you think? —Clockery Fairfeld (talk) 14:48, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

Your call, please. You are smarter than me with these things so I prefer to go with whatever you decide. Respectfully, —Maury (talk) 14:51, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

Well, if it is linked to the author page then that will link back to the wikipedia page. —Maury (talk) 14:58, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

Done. See Author:Frederick Catherwood. (How is it?) —Clockery Fairfeld (talk) 15:00, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

Thank you kind person! Respectfully, —Maury (talk) 15:03, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

Songs of a Savoyard

Clockery, when you get some more of the pages on Songs of a Savoyard proofread I will be happy to validate them. I *think* I read somewhere that you have been wanting to get this done for a long time although I may have read that elsewhere. Kindest regards, —Maury (talk) 16:55, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

Thank you very much, Maury. It would be a great help. Yes, I did want to finish them (I've already done some of the images), but I haven't made much headway with them. In return, I'll do some validation of the SHSP papers — as soon as I get some free time. Cheers,—Clockery Fairfeld (talk) 18:27, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Ugh! Heap good trade. Me like. - one or two a day will complete that project. It looks very good and should be done. And I thank you for all your help. Kindest regards, —Maury (talk) 03:12, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

Administrator confirmations?

Hi, Just wondering why you've added some of the November confirmations to the list? Beeswaxcandle (talk) 04:21, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Yikes. Thanks for telling me, the list of October confirmations (or so I thought?) was here and I didn't think of checking for myself. Idiot me. :) —Clockery Fairfeld (talk) 04:43, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

A History of Mathematics (1893)

A History of Mathematics (by DanielTom)

A section for me to ask you questions. (^:

I don't quite understand this. Where did you get the text? (The page seems to be blank.)

Thank you for fixing my mistakes. <-- Still learning. Cheers ~ DanielTom (talk) 16:39, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

Is it just me, or is page 7 the same as 8? The scan looks the same, but the automatic text is different. (In the original, the pages are different, of course.) DanielTom (talk) 16:45, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

Regarding the first question, the text is rather low, so you have to scroll down to see the text. Try this link: Page:A History of Mathematics (1893).djvu/6#top (it's the same page, only lower down).

To your other question: no, both of them have different content (one is an image, while the other is the title page).

Have a nice time. Best regards,—Clockery Fairfeld (talk) 12:00, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks!—Everything shows up perfectly now (no idea what was going wrong yesterday). Okay, DanielTom (talk) 19:37, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Hey. I have no idea how to reproduce the symbols in this page. Do you? ~ DanielTom (talk) 22:12, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

After trying all the possible (and impossible) ways of doing this, I've finally admitted defeat. I'm going to ask at the Scriptorium. —Clockery Fairfeld (talk) (who has gone mad… :) 05:22, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

Looks good now? ~ DanielTom (talk) 09:49, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

Genius. That is, if you can do the same for all the other pages as well… :) —Clockery Fairfeld (talk) 10:07, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. (One step page at a time.) ~ DanielTom (talk) 10:18, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

(Not sure about the spacing here.) DanielTom (talk) 12:30, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

I've removed the spacing just to be on the safe side. Spaces aren't required in ordinary typography, maybe that rule applies to maths symbols also. I'll ask (again!) at the S'm. —Clockery Fairfeld (talk) 15:06, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

…and I've put them back. See the Scriptorium. Goodnight. —Clockery Fairfeld (talk) 17:05, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

Warnings on page containing <math> section

Hello. I notice both yourself and User:DanielTom have been actively proofreading Index:A History of Mathematics (1893).djvu. (I am copying this request to their page as well.)

Would one of you please be so kind as to have a look at Page:A History of Mathematics (1893).djvu/34, because it has been driving me crazy. If I edit and then preview the page (without even changing anything!) the <math> formulæ work; but the saved page still gives out red Failed to parse(unknown error): warnings. Can either of you please fix this and/or give a hint as to what is wrong? The same is approach seems to have worked flawlessly on other pages (e.g. Page:A History of Mathematics (1893).djvu/33), so why not this one?

Thank you for your patience. 101.175.176.179 00:41, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Hmm… it seems to work okay now, I don't know what happened earlier. Thank you very much, you've done it really well. —Clockery Fairfeld (talk) 10:59, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for, well, whatever you did! It clearly worked, but for the life of me I cannot see how. Later on the same page there are formulæ expressed without the spaces you added—and they now work fine. I'm terribly confused; so if I make the same mistake again please, please wave that wand again.

In another slightly related matter, I notice both DanielTom and yourself have corrected a couple of Unicode characters here and there. I had reasoned what is the point in typing <math>\scriptstyle {1 \over 7}</math> when Unicode entity &#8528; ("vulgar fraction one seventh") exists. I can only assume this (0·⅑·⅛·⅐·⅙·⅕·¼·⅓·⅜·½·⅝·⅔·¾·⅚·⅞·1) comes across as complete mess, because to me it looks like the (incomplete - e.g. I don't know how to type 2/7) series (0, 1/9, 1/8, 1/7, 1/6, 1/5, 1/4, 1/3, 3/8, 1/2, 5/8, 2/3, 3/4, 5/6, 7/8, 1).

I shall of course try to avoid doing this in future, but please be warned you will find several of these mistakes in pages I've already done!

And finally I had better confirm I really am the same one who wrote to you before. My internet provider seems to swap addresses for me about every four hours or so! 101.174.199.236 00:11, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

I think it's best to continue giving the operations, numbers, etc. as <math> codes itself, since it's Wikisource policy that whatever we do otherwise, we should keep it uniform for the whole work. Since we've already given most of it as <math> code, I'll be changing everything (except plain numbers) into code. I hope it's okay. —Clockery Fairfeld (talk) 14:07, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

I think I found a few more you might have missed — see Special:Contributions/124.187.144.95. Yes, yes, I know the IP has changed again! I think I've addressed all the affected pages created so far… (i.e. reworked per your instructions here.) 101.161.175.157 20:59, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

What can I say about this, other than "Eek! Greek!" I did my best to follow your rules, but simply had to compromise on a few things. Might be better to rework this with images ala DT's effort here?

I think I have ruined my eyes on that page. Giving up for a bit! 101.161.175.157 00:29, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

No probs. It looks good. Frankly, I'd have given up immediately, because I'm too lazy to do such things. ;) And yes, I was going to replace the rest of it with math, but it was bedtime already. :-/ —Clockery Fairfeld (talk) 08:36, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

Anchors v (smaller) Chapters?

I got a bit carried away with creating chapters in History of… and suuuuuddennnnnnnnly (I really did not type that; my keyboard just mucked up! Flat battery?) realised you and I have been editing at cross-purposes. This change I believe to be the point of divergence, so undo it if you so see fit.

In essence I was creating smaller chapters (e.g. A History of Mathematics/Antiquity/The Greeks/The School of Pythagoras), but for your anchors to work I now realise A History of Mathematics/Antiquity/The Greeks has to contain everything from "Greek Geometry" to "Greek Arithmetic", and currently I just haven't assembled the chapter that way! I shall stop now and let you decide how to proceed. Apologies for the misunderstanding.

Oh, and if you do decide to go for the "massive chapter" option, maybe my other idea here might be counter-productive and may need to be removed as well. 101.161.48.2 23:55, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

It's all right, I'll mark the unnecessary subpages with {{sdelete}} (per author's request -- hope it's okay) and put everything else into The Greeks. The other edit is fine, I wish I'd thought of that. :) Cheers,—Clockery Fairfeld (talk) 11:48, 7 October 2013 (UTC) P.S. -- You don't mind, do you? —Clockery Fairfeld (talk) 11:48, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

But who will think of all the poor little sub-pages? 121.217.141.224 11:56, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

They're here, don't worry (and will be put out of their pain soon). —Clockery Fairfeld (talk) 11:59, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

You are just as warped as me. A pleasure to work with you! 121.217.141.224 12:03, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks :), though I don't know about me working. Seeing you work would be closer to the truth. You and DT seem to be doing most of the work, with me coming and doing 2 pp worth of validation every day. Hehe. —Clockery Fairfeld (talk) 12:17, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Flirt. Every band a conductor needs. 121.217.141.224 12:38, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Hmm… I daresay you're right. Anyway, I'm making up for it now. Hopefully. —Clockery Fairfeld (talk) 12:51, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

And today's challenge is…

…Diagonals in tables

O.K. By now I guess you will have seen this abomination, so nothing else can possibly disappoint you further, right?

Well if you get a chance would you please (please!) cast your eye over Page:A History of Mathematics (1893).djvu/110. The little table floating embedded on the right of the text has driven me crazy.

I tried initially to construct it in <math> code (advantage: it "floats" nicely in the other text exactly where it is wanted; however disadvantages: (1) I don't know how to create diagonal divisions; (2) I don't know how to stop horizontal rules from extending across the entire table width. At this point I gave up on this approach.)

Then I did what you see here; i.e. as a traditional table (advantage: full control of horizontal and vertical lines; BUT disadvantages: (1) I still don't know how to create diagonal cell divisions; (2) the floating table forces a paragraph break in the wrapping text and so cannot be positioned (as) freely as I'd like.)

Unless you can think of anything better, I can only assume another image grab-and-insert will be required…

Oh, and the challenge? Well I've got a bit better than half-way through the "India" chapter, and it really needs your 'cultural' criticism. I am certain to have made some howlers, and the European condescension toward "Hindoos" does start to get to you after a while… Hope your blood-pressure hold out! 101.161.71.76 12:11, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

Nearly forgot. Have you any thoughts as to which "Cantor" is being referred to (last word on Page:A History of Mathematics (1893).djvu/113)? I can think of either Georg or Moritz who both had some kind of writing on the issue being discussed. There may well be others... 101.161.71.76 12:16, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

This is a fine pickle you've put me into. For the time being, I can find no way to do anything with that table, because I don't know any way (wikimarkup, <math>, html, or otherwise) by which diagonal divisions can be created. I notice that the Wikipedia article gives the table as an SVG image, so we might be better off by uploading an image (SVG, most likely -- it's better) to Commons. (I'll do it by tomorrow at the latest.) As for Mr. Cantor, whoever he may be, I'm still in as much of a fog as I was when I first heard about him, and I'm not feeling particularly charitable towards him either. On the whole, it's more likely to be Georg, since I get the impression that he was (somehow) connected to determinism, don't know how. Cajori was acquainted with Moritz, but that was later (in 1915). It may be better not to wikilink that name, for once, but if you do get who it is, then that would be good. —Clockery Fairfeld (talk) 13:35, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

A pickle shared…can still sometimes just be a bitter preserve. I only asked because I became stuck too! 101.161.71.76 14:02, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

It's Moritz Cantor, p. 631 of the Geschiste der Mathematics. As referenced in Sir Thomas Heath's book (p. 281): [1] MarkLSteadman (talk) 13:53, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks MarkLSteadman. I had been almost certain it was Georg, but that completely settles the issue! 101.161.71.76 14:02, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, Mark. :) —Clockery Fairfeld (talk) 14:11, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

I've started reading through the India chapter: so far, so good; not as biased as I expected it to be. What really annoys me is that Indian names, places, etc. show up in my browser as typos, but not English ones. :-/ But that’s just me. Never mind. :) —Clockery Fairfeld (talk) 13:35, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

I've been adding them to my local dictionary as soon as I am sure they are "reasonable." That way whenever a new typo. becomes flagged it is either genuine or a new term. Well that is the theory anyway. In practice it is a bit less certain!

I'm giving up for the day. Been getting occasional silly errors (like missing texvc executable); I wonder if some server is on its last legs? 101.161.71.76 14:02, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip -- never thought of it (too lazy :). So long, then. I'll do the SVG, blah blah blah, etc. by tomorrow. Good-night (day?) —Clockery Fairfeld (talk) 14:11, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

Night…umm just turned into morning in point of detail. Thanks anyway. 101.161.71.76 14:02, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

I've had a go at a text solution to the diagonals in the table. It's better, but I think an image will be the best solution. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 07:21, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

…Author indices

As you've probably realised I've been shoving in cross-references madly in the assumption that saner minds than my own will simply remove the madder ones. Well I have noticed a fair number of Author: references (e.g. Author:Harun al-Rashid) which turn out to already exist, even though they do not appear in the appropriate index (using above example of al-Rashid: there is no corresponding entry under Wikisource:Authors-Ha#Ha.)

Now this in turn raises several sub-issues:

1. Is it really appropriate that Harun al-Rashid's Author: record lists his firstname as "Caliph" when this is clearly his title instead?
2. last_initial is given as "Ha". My reaction is it should be "Al", but that leads to almost all Arabic authors lumped together. Not good. Is there a better way?
3. Should the opportunity be taken if/when the Author: red-links are resolved to rebuild the Author index as well? Alternatively are you aware of whether there might be plans to do this programmatically?

Something else for your thoughts! 124.179.90.34 23:22, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

A few answers to these questions.

1. No, the first name should not be a title. However, we can't leave the firstname parameter empty without it coming up in a maintenance category. I don't know enough about Arabic names to be able to suggest what should be the firstname instead. Please be bold and fix what needs fixing. Every little bit helps.
2. What does the particle "Al" mean? If it's an essential part of the last name and most of the names end up together, then that's what has to happen. We'll live with it.
3. There are no current plans to automate the Author index. It's suggested every now and then, but the bot owners tend to quail when they realise the involved nature of the task. e.g. some names need to be turned around and others don't; some of the living author pages should be deleted because there won't be any non-copyright works until 95 years afer their death, but others should be indexed (even if it's only to prevent continual re-creation).

Thanks for all you're both doing to get this work sorted. It's an important book and when completed will be a valuable addition to our library. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 07:21, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

Here we go again! Thanks, Beeswaxcandle, for answering those questions. I'm only writing about those which I have something to add to.

• As far as I can remember, Al is merely a joining word (or something of the sort anyway), similar to the French de (it means "the"). So the last initial should be given not as al, but as ra.
• And I think his firstname should be given as Harun itself.

There, that was easy. Thank goodness. —Clockery Fairfeld (talk) 11:57, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

…Errata

Hello. Haven't bothered you for a while, but then all good thing pass..

I just noticed this page had been tagged "blank", even though it is technically a part of the book. I hope this meets with your approval, as I am working my way through the "Errata" and making sure the referenced pages (1) match the scan (even if it is wrong!) and (2) are cross-referenced by the Errata page. (I haven't done this at the time of writing, but what I have in mind is inserting the rediscovered page as a "chapter" in front of the A History of Mathematics/Preface If this causes problems, as ever feel free to override/revert. (I could be being insane but then how could I possibly tell without outside advice?)

Regards, 121.218.107.195 02:24, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

<facepalm> I'm an idiot. The reason this page was marked as "blank" was that before I updated the file it had no text in it. After updating, I forgot to change the status. Just a reminder to myself what a fool I can make of myself. :) Thanks a lot for reminding me about that. And yes, the "extra-chapter" method is how I'd have done myself, if I wasn't such a nincompoop. And that’s how I'm going to do it now, before I forget again. :) Thanks again,—Clockery Fairfeld (talk) 11:16, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Please don't feel bad. I completely missed the fact I hadn't integrated it into the top level of A History of Mathematics, so between us... Hey, it's still all on your shoulders! Regards, 58.165.131.103 12:15, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

No problems. :) And just in case, I don't think I'll be there for a few days, starting tomorrow — exams, and I haven't touched my Hindi. Yikes! Gotta go. —Clockery Fairfeld (talk) 12:42, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Depending upon whether you read this $\scriptstyle {\left\lbrace {\overset {\text{before}}{\underset {\text{after}}{\cdots }}}\right\rbrace }$ your examinations, I hope they $\scriptstyle {\left\lbrace {\underset {\text{were}}{\overset {\text{are}}{\cdots }}}\right\rbrace }$ kind to you⸻especially the Hindi! 121.216.8.206 20:42, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Thank you — I hope so too! Well, we shall know tomorrow. —Clockery Fairfeld (talk) 05:08, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

Better than I expected, I must say. Thanks for the good wishes. —Clockery Fairfeld (talk) 15:19, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Young India Pamphlet, September 1919

Thank you for bailing me out here. In hindsight I had become far too fixated on the idea of the logo being a leaf (Unicode possibilities: "Herb": 🼵 "Maple leaf" 🍁 "Fallen leaf": 🍂 or "Leaf fluttering in wind": 🍃 all equally unsuitable—and probably not portable anyway. Commons:Category:Leaf icons was similarly disappointing—and in too garish colour to use in any case.) I shrank from trying to produce an image from the original scan as it was so worn; but I simply never thought of your clever substitution. You are clearly a very clever young lady. Viewer2 (talk) 21:37, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Thank you very much for the thank you. ;) Actually, I'd meant to substitute it earlier, but RL got in the way. I was wondering how you'd got hold of the fact that I was a young lady, but that was before I edited this page. :D Creative usage of a magic word -- I like it! Best regards,—Clockery Fairfeld (talk) 15:03, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Never underestimate the abilities of the old and sneaky …
— to steal the best ideas of the young and clever …
— or indeed: any thing from any one at all …
— we really are not all that discriminating …
— in fact watch out if it isn't already nailed down!
⁠Viewer2 (talk) 21:25, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

(Various) thank-yous

Dear Miss Clockery.

I hope by these you are indicating I am doing (roughly) the right thing™! My most controversial action so far (in my opinion) has been to create this. I am really unsure whether a ligature counts as a single character in this context, and in any case whether this sort of linkage ought to be allowed. However, if you've let me get away with this…!

(By the way, I freely confess I don't quite understand the "thank-you" system. If you happen to have come across a standard explanation I would quite like to read it.)

Regards, Viewer2 (talk) 11:19, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Er-hm.

Yes, I did send those to say (or show?) that I, in any case, felt that you were doing well. Regarding the "controversial" action, well, I’m not saying that it’s controversial, really, but it does look a little odd, since it’s hardly likely that there’s going to be more than one person whose name starts with Œ, let alone Œn! :) So I’ve merged it with the section above (Oe). If you look in WS:Authors-A#Ae / Æ, you’ll see an instance of the same usage.

The thank-you system is actually part of the new Notifications feature added to Wikisource (I suppose you might’ve seen it in the Scriptorium? If not, see this. It gives us an easy way to thank an editor for one of their edits -- or, as I’ve done, to show that they like your edits. You can do that by viewing the edit in diff mode (like this) or by viewing the page history and clicking on the "thank" button next to each edit. (I hope I make at least some sense?)

Best regards,—Clockery Fairfeld (talk) 11:39, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for the clarifications. I had not realised the "thanks" system was part of Notifications. Dopey me, eh?

Your approach to Œ/Oe makes a lot more sense than mine. I shall try to remember that, in the (I expect rare) case it ever crops up again. Viewer2 (talk) 11:58, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Index:The Book of the Homeless (New York, Charles Scribner's Sons, 1916).djvu

Hi, I see you've done some work on this since Hesperian suggested it for PotM. Is this something you want to carry on with? Or, shall we put it up for January's PotM? Beeswaxcandle (talk) 01:55, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

By all means put it up for PotM. I did do a little, but since then, I’ve moved on to many other projects, and had completely forgotten about this one. Thanks for reminding me. :) Regards,—Clockery Fairfeld (talk) 06:45, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

Wikicode issue fixed on Manuspanicker user page

Hello Clockery Fairfeld. Thank you for your intervention, but the user of his page made a mistake. On Wikisource, the "s" code doesn't work. I just corrected it. Sincerely, --Neptunia (talk) 16:27, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

"BIG"

Clockery, these edits we did today were a bit of fun. I really dislike having situations where I have proofread and nobody bothers to validate. I hope that we can exchange validating once again so our works won't be incomplete. Let some time pas for now and when you have another work that needs validating just let me know and I will do the same with you. It worked out well for the both of us! I thank you as big as you have thanked me. Now you can go eat and catch up on some sleep. :0) Kindest regards, —Maury (talk) 17:46, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

So they were. I look forward to the next time we can collaborate on each other’s projects -- the only documented example of this which I can find from Wikisource is Quadell’s swapmeet, from the pre-ProofReadPage era. If you have any more work which I can do, just ping me on my talk page. Same applies here. :D Sorry for being a little late in answering, our internet connection was cut off yesterday and was only reconnected today. Thanks again. Regards,—Clockery Fairfeld (talk) 13:47, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Index:Gitanjali.djvu

Hello,

Two more pages to validate. ;o) Was it already added in Template:New texts‎? Regards, Yann (talk) 08:31, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

Hello,

Done Both were untouched advertisements. —Maury (talk) 09:35, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, Yann and Maury. @Yann: I didn’t add it to New texts because it was not fully transcluded yet. I’ve finished it off and added it now. Thank you for proofreading the ads. :) @Maury: Thank you for the validations. :) Ta,—Clockery Fairfeld (talk) 14:02, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Mexico of the Mexicans

We are done with the book, but need one last favor. The last Chapters do not seem to be recognized. I have checked and rechecked and cannot find the problem. Kindly review and let me know what did I do wrong. Thanks.--Raúl Gutiérrez (talk) 21:38, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

I’m not exactly sure what you mean. All the chapters are transcluded properly, as far as I can see. The list of illustrations, however, doesn’t need to be linked. If it’s something else, though, please let me know. Regards,—Clockery Fairfeld (talk) 12:57, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

Something very strange happened, when I finished transcluding, the last three chapters remained in red as non existing, when I could not understand what I did wrong I asked for help, now they seem OK, perhaps I need to let the system take its time. Sorry and thanks.--Raúl Gutiérrez (talk) 16:52, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

I just checked, and I found that I had forgotten to re-link the last three chapters. User:Viewer2 has since relinked them correctly. —Clockery Fairfeld (talk) 06:16, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Re: Happy New Year

Thank you. May I please return similar wishes to you and yours?

Regarding the GENDER: matter you raised, yes it does, doesn't it? Wonder why? Annoying. In point of detail the answer is:

D. None of the above.

However, must keep the motivation levels up! Viewer2 (talk) 15:51, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

---

O yea, O yea, Pappy Mew Near y'all - you all, all of you - and others too) and where is my Christmas present? —Maury (talk) 18:30, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Dunno -- maybe still in the mail. :-) —Clockery Fairfeld (talk) 18:41, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

The Myths of Mexico and Peru

Have two favors to ask of you, first please help correct the problem on the link, and second tell me what I did wrong, tried copying the same information from the previous book. https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Myths_of_Mexico_and_Peru/Chapter_II. Thanks a mllion.--Raúl Gutiérrez (talk) 18:01, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

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Dear Mr. Hickory Dickory Clockery,

My good fiend "Friend in Need", I 2nd and 3rd the request of wisdom such as yours to assist my fiend Raúl's request. Further, I am willing to pay you a wikisource wooden nickel for any and all fixits you may encounter. The Beatles also sang out, "HELP!". Thank you ever so much for any and all of your mighty fine and refined elucidations. —Maury (talk) 20:36, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

 

Here you go, both of you. How is it now? —Clockery Fairfeld (talk) 18:37, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

I like smart people! It is as pretty as Never. Thank you.

Note Bene, Do you want Raúl's "mllion" now? (It's in pesos :0)

—Maury (talk) 19:11, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

This is great, thank you, will let Maury take care of the paying. But please, what did I do wrong? Need to understand in order to fix it in the future....--Raúl Gutiérrez (talk) 19:53, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Well, Raúl, you don't have enough common horse-sense. What happened to those "mllion" of yours? Nevermind, I'll pick the tab. Clockery, go here to San Antonio, Texas to pick up the wooden nickels and tell Herb that "Maury sent" you.[2] and you can spend them here at Alice's restaurant

click on image to enlarge

—Maury (talk) 20:36, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

@Raul: Nothing wrong as it is -- the only thing is that you use roman chapter headings (I, II, III…) and most other people use numbers (1, 2, 3…). So the person who formats the chapter page in the index (usually not you?) gives the numbers as 1, 2, 3, while you give the first chapter as I, and when you start chapter 2, with II, the links show up red. That’s all, actually. :)

@Maury: Nope, no need of the mllion, but a million first-edition copies would be useful, nah? :) And regarding the wooden nickel, well, I would appreciate it if you’d send it via e-mail because I don’t see myself travelling to Texas, never mind the U.S., any time in the foreseeable future. :D Sigh. What to do? Thank you. —Clockery Fairfeld (talk) 05:25, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Folks, don't bandy around such tiny little numbers. Don't forget friend Clockery's culture has had a fascination with really interesting numbers for a long time (for example). Terrified, yet? Viewer2 (talk) 06:36, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Primary reaction: Aaarghhh!!! :P

Secondary reaction: Hey, I didn’t see that link before.

Tertiary reaction: I prefer the fourth item on this list.

Quaternary reaction: Our long-long-past ancestors are not the only ones to have a fascination with those. See this, this and this. And maybe this. —Clockery Fairfeld (talk) 06:46, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Re: Page:A Christmas Carol.djvu/10

Please accept my abject apologies. I have messed the above page up. I spotted a single-letter typo. and corrected it. However there was a JavaScript error during the save, and to my horror the correction has gone in, but the page status is now "Blank Page"! Attempting to "Undo" the change proceeds apparently correctly... and actually does nothing at all. Right at present I really would like to take the new (or indeed the old) ProofReadPage and do evil things to its very source code, please believe me!

Regrettably I have run my internet capacity down for the month so everything takes the best part of an hour to fail. May I please impose upon you to either:

• Try "undoing" my mess, or
• Restart the status promotion chain again?

I am fairly confident the page content is correct (I think "bourd" is actually "bound" with a little ink missing from the "n" impression. You may well disagree?)

In any case, anything you can do to get this back on the rails will certainly be appreciated. Once more, my apologies for imposing upon you. Viewer2 (talk) 13:47, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

Thank you Thank you Thank you Thank you Thank you Thank you. Take a very deep breath and repeat! Viewer2 (talk) 15:16, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

I should be the one thanking you. Thank you very very much. :D After you take the deep breath, try singing Der hölle Rache from Mozart's Die Zauberflöte. ;) —Clockery Fairfeld [sic] 15:25, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

Are you ready for the next step?

Gday CF. You have been hanging around here for a while and seems to be your major hangout, you have done good edits, participated widely both in namespaces and conversations and even poked a few guts, and you haven't fubar'd. So how about you read Wikisource:Adminship and see if that is something of interest to you. — billinghurst sDrewth 11:43, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

Who—me? Admin? Well... if you really think I could be of any use, then I'm oka with it. Hopefully, I'll be able to help... thanks. :) —Clockery Fairfeld [sic] 13:27, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Wonderful! I know "Hickory Dickory Clockery" fairly well from open work here, helping me here, and through private emails. He is wonderful person, very knowledgeable, and has always been helpful. He also has a good sense of humor, of seriousness, and of fairness. Clockery is also very intelligent. Smart thinking, Billinghurst. —Maury (talk) 14:48, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Nomination is done Wikisource:Administrators#Nominations for adminship. It is convention to add a statement accepting the nomination (if you wish to) and state that you have read Adminship and understand it (if that is what you have done). Good luck. — billinghurst sDrewth 17:09, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, Billinghurst. Done —Clockery Fairfeld ^[t·c] 08:44, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Clockery, You may want to ask for the correct spelling of your last name now!

Clockery, as I recall, there was a mistake in the spelling of your last name so now you are using [sic]. Before you become administrator why not ask for a name change and correct that situation. Hesperian changes various people's aliases names a lot and I feel sure it would be better as an administrator not to have to use [sic] just because of a previous misspelling. "Be Bold", ask for the correction now. Respectfully, —Maury (talk) 15:01, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Hehe. It's not a misspelling, Maury, I'm just using it because it looks funny. ;-) I'm not using it because of the misspelling--actually, I'd even forgotten about it now. Thanks a lot, though... :-P —Clockery Fairfeld [sic] 15:10, 30 January 2014 (UTC) P.S.--I think I'd better change my signature now--otherwise it might cause confusion. :D

GGGGGGRRRrrrrrrrrr"rrrrrrrrrr Goofy. ;0) —Maury (talk) 15:24, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

;-) See, I've changed it now! —Clockery Fairfeld ^[t·c] 15:29, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I see but you duped me. Therefore, with the correct pronunciation, I, Maury, send you greetings with a "shiner" (Can you see with one-eye?) and this song using the correct pronunciation of "Maury" --- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfRbgl-iR1Y —Maury (talk) 07:47, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

Snogood. My computer has made it a habit to crash whenever I open Youtube. Maybe another day...? —Clockery Fairfeld ^[t·c] 07:55, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

Archive

I usually leave the closed discussions posted for a few days or week. This give everyone a chance to review the closure without having to go to the archive. Also closures are not as final as you might think, they are occasionally reopened, and if they have been archived that complicates things. The two you already archived are fine, just offering for future reference. Jeepday (talk) 13:49, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Okay--thanks for telling me, I got a bit carried away. Please remind me again if I forget... —Clockery Fairfeld ^[t·c] 13:55, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Peter Pan

Um, Hazmat2 was being ironic. Peter Pan is under perpetual copyright in the UK, so it can't be hosted at Commons under their current rules. Have fun, Beeswaxcandle (talk) 09:43, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

Actually, what I was talking about was The Story of Peter Pan, which was written by Daniel O'Connor (try as I might, I can't find anything about him!), and is advertised on Page:The Pinafore Picture Book.djvu/185. Since I was doing this work, I (mistakenly?) assumed that Hazmat was also referring to the same work. ;D —Clockery Fairfeld ^[t·c] 10:10, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

Just in case it is of interest, Project Gutenberg already has Daniel Stephen O'Connor's "The Story of Peter Pan" transcribed. HTML version with images here: [3] AuFCL (talk) 12:38, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

I redid every image myself (higher quality than PG) and uploaded them. Book is uploaded as well. Index:The Story of Peter Pan.djvu The Haz _talk 05:06, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

The images look very good! The only image that doesn't is the book cover with a barcode and library note stuck on the cover. I wish they would stop that! They could at least place those stickers where they can be edited away. I also looked on Project Gutenberg mentioned above and notice how even a book cover can be an excellent illustration with no marks or paper stickers placed over a vital illustrated area. One thing first desired to catch the eye is an illustrated book cover to cause the reader to look within. Have a great day today. —Maury (talk) 08:06, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

The Story of Peter Pan

Hello. I am posing this question to both yourself and Hazmat2, on the basis of being the more involved parties.

I believe I have worked out an acceptable <score> rendering for Page:The Story of Peter Pan.djvu/18 (in point of detail that is a lie: I eventually got stuck and had to involve the kind assistance of User:Beeswaxcandle.) However, as the page has already been validated in the state of using Hazmat2's direct image, I want to broach the matter of your preferred way of proceeding; bearing in mind one of the alternatives may well be "leave the page exactly as it currently stands."

May I have your vote or suggestion on:

1. Leaving the page alone,
2. Substituting the new score, demoting the Page: to "Proofread" and having another party (hint: one of you two?) formally re-validate or fix it,
3. Just replace the page (maintaining "validated" state) and hope it is O.K.
4. Any better idea(s)?

N.B. Options 1 and 3 are "easy" choices, but (3) I feel rather bends the spirit (if not the word) of the validation rules. AuFCL (talk) 23:47, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Thank you very, very much. I prefer option 2. That way, if there are any mistakes (I absolutely deny any allegation that I allege you of making mistakes, in advance ), they can be corrected. Let's see what @Hazmat2 says... (and yes, I do agree with your thoughts on option 3!) —Clockery Fairfeld ^[t·c] 09:03, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

The evil secret to successful negotiation: give several options all of which are horrible except the one you really want them to choose. Also throw in one which requires work on the part of the decider. Be prepared for some idiot to select one of the awful choices. (At which point, L.A.R.T. on standby!) AuFCL (talk) 10:11, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

As we would say in these parts:

Enthoru buddhi! veyilu kollikkalle, olichu povum... —Clockery Fairfeld ^[t·c] 11:22, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

I am wondering if this might be somehow related to w:Mad Dogs and Englishmen (song)? AuFCL (talk) 12:25, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

I wonder. Unfortunately, the only contemporaries of mine who use this expression are more likely to stare at me blankly than give me an answer if I asked them. :-/ The younger generations are sadly degenerate nowadays, even though I say it myself who shouldn't. ;-) —Clockery Fairfeld ^[t·c] 13:01, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

One final question before I drop this and stop embarrassing you (on this matter at least): can you at least please identify whether the phrase is Malayalam, Hindi or… what? Just out of my sheer sanguine nature I tried to search for the phrase with (you guessed!) not a single match. I miss the days when search engines got on with actually looking for what you asked for, instead of assuming you simply are too dumb as to be able to even spell your request… AuFCL (talk) 02:17, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Malayalam: എന്തൊരു ബുദ്ധി! വെയിലു കൊള്ളിക്കല്ലെ, ഒലിചു പോവും... (as a footnote I think I ought to mention that the "olichu povum" part is usually omitted, either because the listener already knows it, or to append some other (less complimentary?) phrase such as "Obama kandaal vedi veykkum" (here, I speak mainly about what my mother uses, I dunno about the rest of the Malayalam-speaking world--err, state?) To be fair, it's a colloquialism. I don't think it'll be recorded on the Internet... but feel free to prove me wrong. :-P —Clockery Fairfeld ^[t·c] 03:29, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for your "thank you"...

Hopefully will check spelling and regularize spacing and the ab-use-of-hyphens - where they separate words - throughout this book's text. BTW like your icons and will try to use one on my page at Wikipedia. Cheers! Shir-El too 07:41, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Edit conflict Power cut ;-) We could always do with some help, thanks for dropping by. You'll hopefully like this place and become a part of our community here (I was originally from Wikipedia, but soon moved in favour of Wikisource--WP seemed too complete for my tastes ). You'll usually find something you're good at or enjoy doing here. Thanks for the praise of my icons -- I saw it on your userpage! :D Best regards,—Clockery Fairfeld ^[t·c] 09:02, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Admin

Hi Clockery,

You are now an admin. Can I trouble you to update your entry at Wikisource:Administrators#Current administrators please?

Hesperian 03:01, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, Hesperian; updated. —Clockery Fairfeld ^[t·c] 12:47, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

Congrats. My one bit of advice is that for most things they are hardly ever screamingly urgent, and usually it is better to under-react than over-react. Plenty of old-hands around who are full of themselves good advice. — billinghurst sDrewth 11:05, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

Advice taken, and will (hopefully?) be followed. Thanks ;-) —Clockery Fairfeld ^[t·c] 12:47, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

Lilypond in Pinafore

Hi, I see that someone has validated a few of my pages a bit too quickly to be sure that the music is correct. I'd be happier if someone else (hint, hint) took the time to check them again.

These score snippets were mostly straightforward. I've tried to be clear in my lilypond coding so that you can see how they work. A cursory glance at the Peter Pan music shows the structure to be similar to the Pinafore ones. The other scores I've done some of are in Index:Childs own music book.djvu. These are more complex but, again, I've tried to be clear in my coding (partly to fit in with the ethos of a book of music for children). The score snippets I've done for DMM so far are harder to copy from because the coding is not as clear, and also there's some quite obscure things to deal with because it's a dictionary. I'm yet to venture into coding the ancient or gregorian snippets. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 05:58, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

As an aside, Gregorian takes more than enough time in Sibelius and Finale. I can't imagine using LP. If I get the chance tomorrow I'll take a glance at them. I agree that they should be pretty straightforward and take less than a minute to check. The Haz _talk 06:45, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

@Beeswaxcandle: I've checked this page, and I noticed that in the sixth bar (piano bass), C3 and G3 were rendered rather than the G3 and C2 shown in the score. My feeble attempts to fix this resulted in (the expected...) no success. I will check the other two pages later today... —Clockery Fairfeld ^[t·c] 12:47, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

I'm not sure that's the correct link as there is no G in the score, only octave Cs. Also, can you make the music larger as well? I bumped that page up to 75% so I could read it without squinting (and my eyesight is good!) It's not only too small for me to read, it's much smaller in relation to the text. 75% seems to match it up a bit bitter, though it looks as if it could go larger. Or, am I missing something regarding transclusion? The Haz _talk 16:02, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

My bad. I assumed that the second line of music in both the scan and the transcription should match; not necessarily so. @Hazmat2:, I think 50% is a stable width for when the music is transcluded to the main namespace. Right now, transcluded 75% width looks a bit too large for me: here. However, it's your choice, and you can do what you think is best (if you want to keep 50% width, then try proofreading while previewing using the scan in a horizontal layout). Hope I have made sense... —Clockery Fairfeld ^[t·c] 16:18, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

Oh. I seem to have put my big foot in this. Until Clockery thanked me I had no idea this discussion was ongoing. I merely changed some layout cosmetics on this score, and (do not believe I've changed/did not intend to change) any actual notes. AuFCL (talk) 16:46, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

Nah, I don't think you did. What you did do, however; I didn't know it could be done. Thanks for that. ;-) —Clockery Fairfeld ^[t·c] 16:51, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

Ah, that's exactly what I meant. Perhaps using an exact width rather than percentage is better, such as we do for images. I changed the page to reflect an exact width instead. See what you think and of course feel free to change it. The Haz _talk 19:01, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

@Both: O.K. I've messed it around even more. Finally managed to more closely copy the bar-style of the original. Now if only there were some way of duplicating the glyph for the bass-clef I'd be finally happy. AuFCL (talk) 22:58, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

@AuFCL:: Maybe it's just me, but trying to match the old bass clef would be similar to transcribing furpafs as "furpafs" instead of "surpass". In other words, great job and I wouldn't worry about it. The Haz _talk 23:35, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

Clockery is sure to ding me for this, but I would never substitute "ſurpaſs" with mere "furpafs" except under duress dire. Just what kind of a mindless pedant do you think you are dealing with here?

Point taken. Bear with me. I'm still learning. Unfortunate that my chosen "practice object" just happened to coincide with one of your "trouble cases." AuFCL (talk) 23:58, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

@AuFCL, @Hazmat2: Just for the record, I have absolutely no idea what was changed with this edit. Obtuse me. Expl. wanted, please... (P.S.--The bass clef petitions that it wishes to remain modernised... or does it? ) —Clockery Fairfeld ^[t·c] 07:23, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

Wait a sec! I think I've got it. Yay... my brains are working, finally! (And now I understand the true meaning of "perfectionism". ) —Clockery Fairfeld ^[t·c] 07:26, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

┌──────────────────────────┘
(Sigh.) The best is the enemy of the good: If you cannot tell what is changed, either it must be getting closer—or everyone has just given up trying. AuFCL (talk) 09:12, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

P.S. -- Did I mention that two seconds after I put this up, I finally found out what had been changed? And in reply to your second statement: I prefer the former. :-P —Clockery Fairfeld ^[t·c] 09:33, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

could you have a look...

...at this? I simply uploaded the file as given by Google, but I now notice it has over a hundred empty (blank) pages, starting at page 88. Do you know of any quick way of deleting them? Thanks (and congratz for becoming an admin, BTW; I guess I am now free to call you "abusive"? Muahaha!) ~ DanielTom (talk) 21:27, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

Well, there are two things I see which can be done:

1. Edit the PDF offline, remove the blank pages, and reupload it to Commons.
2. Mark all the pages as blank.

I'd have done the first myself, only that my computer positively refuses to respond when I try to do it using GIMP, and I don't have Acrobat. But I fancy they are actually part of the work (as they seem to be scanned pages rather than just plain blank pages, so the second option may be better. Hehe, thanks. And by all means call me abusive, since I'm gonna use the tools again! ;-) Regards,—Clockery Fairfeld ^[t·c] 15:53, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. I deleted the blank pages using some pdf editor, converted the file to djvu, and re-uploaded it. I see you created many "without text" pages, but they probably won't be necessary now (I guess you will delete them?). Oh, and of course, you're not "abusive" in any way—do feel free to block me if I say otherwise! Cheers. ~ DanielTom (talk) 18:53, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Thank you very, very, very much. After trying a long, long time to edit that blasted PDF (I don't have much experience working with them), I tried to upload it over the previous file, conveniently overlooking the fact that the file itself was a djvu. And I had to go (to bed, no less!) by that time. But nevermind, it's done. Thanks once again, and a big thank-you to @Hesperian as well for deleting those redundant pages. :-P —Clockery Fairfeld ^[t·c] 08:58, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

{{flow under}}

Thank you for cleaning up my "development mess" left behind creating this template. Ironic, but as the creator of this damned thing, I really didn't realise until after writing the initial version that I had fooled myself the text flowed over the top of the image; when in fact (since I'd made my initial tests using transparent images where the issue happened to be moot) the text was being flowed beneath the image.

Thus the total renaming of the template, and the realisation that .jpg images were in fact not usable therein.

Don't panic if nothing I've written above makes much sense. This message is solely intended as a "thank-you" for being so kind as to tidy up afterwards. AuFCL (talk) 01:42, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Declaration by the United Kingdom on 31 December 1982 on the definition of the term “nationals”

Thanks. Can you sort this one out too?: Declaration by the United Kingdom on 31 December 1982 on the definition of the term “nationals” – Kaihsu (talk) 13:10, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

Done (all that is required is to add an extra parameter override_author while keeping the author parameter) but a query: would such a text come under Portal:Acts of the Parliament of the United Kingdom? If it does, then could you please pipe the "Government of the..." etc. etc. to that portal? Thanks. ;-) —Clockery Fairfeld ^[t·c] 13:21, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

No, it is not an act of parliament. I have uploaded the scan: Index:Declaration by the United Kingdom on 31 December 1982 on the definition of the term “nationals”.pdf – Kaihsu (talk) 13:45, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=A_Christmas_Carol_(Dickens,_unsourced_ed.)/Stave_1&oldid=4796030&diff=prev

Hi, Clockery, Inoticed your edit, why? Lotje ツ (talk) 17:12, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Well, Lotje, actually you had put the link as a part of the image's hovertext. Since putting a link there doesn't seem to be of any use (no-one can find it, for starters), and it won't change which site we go to when we click the image (which is the image's description page), I moved it to the image's caption. On the other hand, if you put that link in for a different reason, then you are most welcome to revert as you see fit. Best regards,—Clockery Fairfeld ^[t·c] 10:56, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Re spambots

If we are getting spambot behaviour with common traits and it is not being captured by Special:AbuseFilter/27 then please look to leave some of it in place, let me know, so I can look to update that abuse filter. If it has been deleted the edit checking function fails. <grumble mumble systems. Thanks — billinghurst sDrewth 11:33, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

Wilco (it comes out tagged as spam on RecentChanges, though...). —Clockery Fairfeld ^[t·c] 12:54, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

formatting Q.

How do you format the last word interruption/break here? ~ DanielTom (talk) 13:55, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

On such pages, {{hws}} (hyphenated word start) and {{hwe}} (hyphenated word end) are used. On these two pages (including the next page as well) we use {{hws|ar|arrested}} at the end of the first page and {{hwe|rested|arrested}} at the end of the second page. That is the most common usage (and the one I use myself); others may use different methods. Best regards,—Clockery Fairfeld ^[t·c] 14:05, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

Okay, very useful templates, thank you. ~ DanielTom (talk) 14:09, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

OCR

I was wondering. Why is the automatic text of the scan, that appears when you are creating a page, so accurate on some works (e.g. Pope's Iliad), terrible on others (e.g., Mickle's Lusiad), and this time non-existent? Does it have to do with the quality of the scan? Or maybe it's my fault, perhaps if there is a way to upload the file directly from the Internet Archives, without having to edit it to remove blank pages (which changes the file properties?), the automatic text would appear. If that is the case, I can try uploading the original file again. ~ DanielTom (talk) 16:38, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

I'm not too good at this side of the work, but I'll attempt to explain:

OCRing is done using a specific program (I think ABBYY FineReader is one), and is done to all scans which are uploaded to the Internet Archive. Some are done better than others, don't ask me why. But some don't have any OCR at all (or are not OCRed). It's not the problem of the uploader. What you can do now is try reuploading the file. Or you can just wait for a while (I've marked the index as needing an OCR text layer) till someone else gets the file OCRed for you. Or you can ask someone to do it for you (I think @George Orwell III knows how...). But first try reuploading the file. Let me know what happens after that. Best regards,—Clockery Fairfeld ^[t·c] 16:51, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

If we're talking about The_Fate_of_Fenella_(1892).djvu, something doesn't seem right with the transfer. On Internet Archive, the .djvu file size is around 5 Mb while the file uploaded transfered to commons was ~11 Mb and the latest is now ~20Mb. Let me try a straight download / upload to Commons to see if it makes any difference. — George Orwell III (talk) 17:09, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

DanielTom; that seems to have done the trick - the file size is a closer match and the text-layer is present. -- George Orwell III (talk) 17:20, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, yes, now the automatic text appears. But how do you remove the several blank pages without altering it? ~ DanielTom (talk) 17:26, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

@DanielTom: -- So-called "blank" pages are part of the original digitization (scan) and should not be removed unless we're 100% sure they weren't in the original printing (hard to ascertain if at all). The only page that "should" be removed is the Google disclaimer page but that is not a requirement or anything. These pages should be created with the usual status of 'no text' in the Page: namespace and accounted for in the Index: pagelist assignments as well.

We can properly exclude them in the final transclusion to the main namespace that way - which is what any potential reader is going to care about in the first place. If the transcription was spot-on & complete, nobody should have reason to question the content and be forced to visit the Page: or Index: spaces every again. -- George Orwell III (talk) 17:42, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

Understood, thank you. ~ DanielTom (talk) 17:51, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

paragraphs

How do I make paragraphs/breaks slightly longer? For example, here before Ku-shih, here before Lü-shih and After long illness, &c., and also in the poems, e.g., here, right before Flap, flap, you curtain, &c. ? (Thanks.) ~ DanielTom (talk) 18:57, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

Leave an extra line. That's all there is to it! ;-) —Clockery Fairfeld ^[t·c] 11:04, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Is there no way to make the break slightly shorter? ~ DanielTom (talk) 11:50, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

I don't think so, but I dunno. As far as I know, two newlines are put wherever such an instance occurs. But you could try asking someone else--or at Scriptorium/Help. —Clockery Fairfeld ^[t·c] 12:41, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Please pardon my interference. Hello all.

There are actually an embarrassing excess of potential answers to this. Without getting too ridiculous, and in (rough) order of increasing precision of control of spacing possible (and reducing "officiality"):

1. Add blank lines per Clockery's suggestion above.
2. Use {{dhr}} between paragraphs. Don't forget this template accepts a vertical sizing parameter, although I think the default is probably right for DanielTom's immediate needs.
3. Use {{p}} to mark either the previous paragraph; and use a parameter like "pb1", "pb2" etc. to increase the spacing below that paragraph. Alternately similarly mark the following paragraph; and use "pt1", "pt2" to increase the spacing above that paragraph. Either approach gives identical results.
4. For ultimate precision (and maximum confusion since nobody will understand why you used this approach!) tag the paragraph immediately following where you want an extra large gap in <p>/</p> pairs and apply CSS styling, e.g.:

<p style="margin-top:17.2px;">''Ku-shih'' [Old Style].</p>

Obviously in that last example please replace the silly value of "17.2px" with whatever exact spacing value and units suit. AuFCL (talk) 18:31, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

I completely forgot abt {{dhr}}. (I would have forgotten about the other two as well if I'd known about them... ) Thanks a lot, AuFCL. :D —Clockery Fairfeld ^[t·c] 13:08, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Thank you...

for your note on Billinghurst's page. I'm new here but trying to contribute as well as receive. BTW that's one tough read: if the Latin doesn't get you the italics will! Cheers! Shir-El too 10:25, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

@Shir-El too: You're welcome. :-) I went through that work (or at least tried to), and I really must say it's not the kind of book most people would choose as their first project. I can only congratulate you on your tenacity, and hope you continue contributing here after that... Best regards,—Clockery Fairfeld ^[t·c] 10:37, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

IRC cloak request

Hello Clockery, you or somebody pretending to be you has requested a Wikimedia IRC cloak, but did not provide a valid diff. A valid diff is a diff in your userpace with the edit summary "IRC cloak request". If you requested the cloak, please make such an edit and link it to me on my meta talk page, if not, please let me know as well. Thank you for your interest in the Wikimedia IRC cloaks. Snowolf ^{How can I help?} 23:03, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Dinosaur images

Hey, Clockster. I've finished adding dinosaur images to those pages and was wondering if you could validate them.

• Page:Tyrannosaurus and Other Cretaceous Carnivorous Dinosaurs.pdf/6
• Page:Tyrannosaurus and Other Cretaceous Carnivorous Dinosaurs.pdf/4
• Page:Notice of Gigantic Horned Dinosauria from the Cretaceous.pdf/3

Abyssal (talk) 16:22, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Has now been done Y--kathleen wright5 (talk) 14:42, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

Apologies all for eavesdropping. Dinosaurs! Makes me feel like a five-year-old again. Shame the effect doesn't last. I used to know things in those days. AuFCL (talk) 02:42, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi both of you, I'm not at home right now; I'll do them as soon as I get home (that is, if no-one else gets at them first ;-). @AuFCL: Best regards to all,—Clockery Fairfeld (talk
contribs) 06:55, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

I seem to have caught the overly-cryptic bug of late. <whine mode="engaged">Nobody seems to understand my original comments without further expansion.</whine> To make it abundantly clear I have "proofread" all three of Abyssal's changes listed above, so it is now up to either one of you (or indeed anybody bar me) to "validate" them. Hope that is clear enough this time? AuFCL (talk) 14:26, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

@AuFCL: I know; what I'd meant was that I would validate them. (No need for that now, Kathleen has done it. :-) @Kathleen.wright5:, thanks a lot! :-D —Clockery Fairfeld (talk
contribs) 15:09, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for all the help, guys! Abyssal (talk) 15:43, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

Mr Ed

Mr Editor,

Thank you for the recent validation pages.

Kindest Regards,

Mr. Editor

—Maury (talk) 01:04, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

My pleasure, Mr. Editor.

Best regards,

Miss Editor

—Clockery Fairfeld (talk
contribs) 07:12, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

• ref: "England-a Destroyer of Nations"

Hi, Maury. I've just finished validating this work, and I really must say I don't know how you managed to finish it. Really, it seemed to be extremely biased, even to me. ;-)

Hello, Clockery. Really now, aren't many books biased and especially when a war is involved? Each side tends to be biased--every war you have ever known or read about has an opposing side. Is that not biased? Are not the many religions of the world biased? When somebody tries to hide, censor, or as on a website show "limited search only" is that also a form of bias where some can see a book and others are not allowed? Anytime anyone wants to ban or burn a book or do other things to destroy a book, I want a look at that book. I personally have "no axe to grind" one way or another and especially about world war one that I was never in and never knew all of the grumpy, dead, nor combatants in that war. What I transcribed is 27 pages in length. It was listed on IA that way. On Wikisource it is presently presented in its entirety of 121 pages in length as a possible book to do. I do not shut my eyes and leave my backside sticking up. Taking a side as you suggest you do above shows "bias". I don't have that and certainly not over something long ago.-m

Most biased indeed, friend. However, all that is rather subtle bias. This was a really obvious bias. Anyway, all that is over and done with, thankfully. ;-) —Clockery Fairfeld (talk
contribs) 07:12, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

However, on the last page, there is an image at the bottom, which I saw you hadn't marked or inserted.

I went and looked and you are correct in that I did leave out the image. Was that biased? Actually, as I looked at it, it looks like a face (abstract art?)--m

Who knows? <shrug/> —Clockery Fairfeld (talk
contribs) 07:12, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

Do you think it should be included as well?

Hmm, I don't know but from what you have written it looks like it. I don't recall the details of that book. I work mostly on books about the navy, ships, and Mexico, Central America, South America and Expeditions.--m

I'm not too sure, and I can't do it now (since, as you will have noticed, I'm not at home). What do you think?

I "think" you should go home. Home with Pleasantries, —Maury (talk) 03:39, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

At that time, I could have, since I was at my mother's office. Unfortunately, now it won't be possible until tomorrow, because I'm now at my father's house, and will be back only tomorrow. So see you then.

Best regards,—Clockery Fairfeld (talk
contribs) 07:12, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

(Potential) Autopatrol Candidates?

Your call (of course!) but I might be so bold as to submit both User:Abyssal(Special:Contribs/Abyssal) and User:Ryokuhi‎‎(Special:Contribs/Ryokuhi) as worthy of this grant? I declare that I do not know either of these people except insofar as the quality of their contributions. AuFCL (talk) 07:08, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

I'm not sure, but imho Ryokuhi needs to edit a little more to become autopatrolled. I'll give Abyssal the flag now. Thanks for telling me (autocorrect on the iPhone is usually a major pain in the neck, but sometimes it's great! As in this instance). <minor rant>Why does everything interesting happen just when I'm away from home? When I'm at home, absolutely nothing happens. I just go away for three days, and what have we here?</minor rant> —Clockery Fairfeld (talk
contribs) 15:28, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

Hah, forgetful me. Already did it long back. —Clockery Fairfeld (talk
contribs) 16:20, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

lorem ipsum

Many pardons if I am pointing out something of which you are already aware:

• {{lorem ipsum}} imports {{lorem ipsum}} from the Template: name space; whereas
• {{:lorem ipsum}} imports the content of Lorem ipsum from "main" name space,

—i.e. quite different sources. AuFCL (talk) 22:12, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

I just wanted to see how transclusion from the main namespace would work--and also exactly how long "lorem ipsum" was if put into its own section. Hehe. Thanks, though. —Clockery Fairfeld (ƒ=ma) 05:37, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Eeep! Consider my nosiness suitably clipped. AuFCL (talk) 05:48, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Not at all ;-P —Clockery Fairfeld (ƒ=ma) 05:49, 22 April 2014 (UTC)