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Delete pages from djvu[edit]

Hello, can someone please help me get rid of the two pages marked problematic (duplicate) here in this index before I star proofreading. Index:A Compendium of the Chief Doctrines of the True Christian Religion.djvu. Thanks in advance for any help. Jpez (talk) 08:46, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

Yes check.svg DoneBeleg Tâl (talk) 15:07, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
Thanks! Jpez (talk) 15:45, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

1911 Encyclopædia Britannica[edit]

I've been finding all sorts of newly appearing errors in parts of the 1911 EB that previously included no errors. There may have been a template change or a software bug; I do not know.

Two affected pages are:

and

Oddly, the volume 26 is not behaving like a DjVu file when I visit it on Commons, and this may have something to do with the problem. However, I can see no edits in the edit histories there (or here) that would suggest anything. --EncycloPetey (talk) 16:52, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

@EncycloPetey: This is an ongoing issue. Perhaps Wikisource:Scriptorium/Help/Archives/2015#Error:_Numeric_value_expected ought to be dragged back out of the archives and somehow "pinned" here until the underlying problem is resolved? AuFCL (talk) 21:20, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
Sounds like a good idea, provided you know how to pin the item here so that it is not bot-archived. --EncycloPetey (talk) 05:06, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
You've got me right there. I was hoping somebody else knew how to do that! AuFCL (talk) 06:29, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
Per User:Wikisource-bot#Delaying_or_preventing_archiving_of_particular_threads inserting, e.g. {{DNAU|120}} ought to pin this thread for 120 days. Worth doing? AuFCL (talk) 06:50, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
see also EB1911 Volume 25 Scan File Corruption note there is a phabricator https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T86611#974012. Slowking4Farmbrough's revenge 18:18, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

Iran nuclear deal[edit]

I can't figure out what is the license of the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action:
http://eeas.europa.eu/statements-eeas/2015/150714_01_en.htm (links at the bottom)
Is it possible to put it on Wikisource? --Triggerhippie4 (talk) 18:38, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

@Triggerhippie4: Yes, you can put it onto Wikisource. Hard to tell immediately which licence the European Commission is releasing their documentation as it is vague here and aspirational here. I would say {{PD-EdictGov}} and have a poke at help:Copyright tags. If you have a source file (pdf or djvu), load it here, and we can look at it again, after some more opinions, then work out whether we copy to Commons. — billinghurst sDrewth 13:37, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

Alternative text of speech by King Edward VIII of UK in 1936: ok or not?[edit]

King Edward during his abdication crisis submitted his proposed text to the government. Is the text of that speech suitable for inclusion in Wikisource? Darmokand (talk) 09:34, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Help is needed for a mysterious hanging indent problem[edit]

Can someone please look at this mystery? About halfway down the page there is a problem with the hanging indent of this index entry and can't figure why. All other entries with identical hanging indent, {{ts|padding-left:12.8em;text-indent:-10.2em;}}, line up perfectly. Cornell University. First Annual Report of the Agricultural Experiment Station, 1888 etc.Ineuw talk 06:13, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

They all lined perfectly because none of the initial strings were long enough to need wrapping; only the subsequent 2nd or 3rd entries needed it (plus were "padded" with template:gap). The difference between padding and indent should have followed the premise set by the rest of the "normal" entries (padding-left:4em; text-indent:-2em has a diff of 2.0em while padding-left:12.8em & text-indent:-10.2em is a diff of 2.6em) when it came to those exceptional lines (padding-left:12em; text-indent:-10em is still a diff of only 2.0em in other words). -- George Orwell III (talk) 08:48, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
and fyi... view that page again and tick your browser's select all option to "highlight" everything; note the normally "invisible" yet still clickable "hash" marks in the right margin. -- George Orwell III (talk) 08:55, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
Yes! Everything makes sense and thanks a lot. I suspected the wrap and noticed the clickable hash marks but didn't know what to make of it. As for the padding/indent differences, I tried to line up the text as in the original, but will settle for close. — Ineuw talk 16:18, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
n.b.:Instead of using two {{gap}} templates, you could use a single {{ditto}} template, and everything would align precisely. --EncycloPetey (talk) 20:01, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

Missing TOC Line[edit]

In Page:Forth Bridge (1890).djvu/7, the row under APPENDIX does not show. This is probably a simple fix for somebody who knows what they are doing. Thanks, Ostrichyearning (talk) 12:02, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done ; your {{sc}} template had too many pipes. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 12:15, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

Content hierarchy of the American Journal of Sociology[edit]

I could use some help sorting out the best way to organize the hierarchy of the American Journal of Sociology. Specifically, I am unsure how to best organize the items which aren't fully-qualified articles, the things that fall under "Reviews," "Notes," "Recent Literature" and similar sections. Items under these broad sections seem to range anywhere from a handful of pages, to couple paragraphs, to a single sentence in length, or sometimes even lists. So far these have been collected into a single page and #section-linked, which is valid, but I wonder if and how these should be given their own subpages to emphasize them as standalone items. djr13 (talk) 19:51, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

A way to do it is by using Portals, see Portal:Popular Science Monthly for an example. Cheers, Captain Nemo (talk) 00:21, 30 July 2015 (UTC).

Formatting help[edit]

Suggestions welcomed for the formatting of headers in the PotM. See example. Thanks, Londonjackbooks (talk) 15:37, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

Firstly, perhaps a better place for the discussion is Index talk:Parsons How to Know the Ferns 7th ed.djvu ?
Secondly, how about this:
{{block center/s}}
{|
|-
|{{ts|pr1}}|{{nowrap|GROUP I}}
|{{ts|bb|xs}}|STERILE AND FERTILE FRONDS TOTALLY UNLIKE; FERTILE FRONDS NOT LEAF-LIKE IN APPEARANCE
|-
|}
{{block center/e}}
GROUP I STERILE AND FERTILE FRONDS TOTALLY UNLIKE; FERTILE FRONDS NOT LEAF-LIKE IN APPEARANCE
GROUP II FERTILE FRONDS PARTIALLY LEAF-LIKE, FERTILE PORTION UNLIKE REST OF FROND
GROUP III FERTILE FRONDS UNIFORMLY SOMEWHAT LEAF-LIKE, YET DIFFERING NOTICEABLY FROM STERILE FRONDS
GROUP IV FERTILE AND STERILE FRONDS LEAF-LIKE AND SIMILAR; SPORANGIA ON OR BENEATH A REFLEXED MARGIN
GROUP IV FERTILE AND STERILE FRONDS LEAF-LIKE AND USUALLY SIMILAR; FRUIT-DOTS ROUND
Benefits: no hard line-break, no use of deprecated <u> tag, line will only be on the bottom row if the line has to wrap. I think the group description should be left-aligned browser default, but I am open to disagreement. We could also {{nowrap}} the two lines of the description so that if it wraps it will wrap at that specific point. We could also use a hard line-break but I think that is undesireable. Note that if there is a hard line break and the screen width is too small it will be really wonky.—Beleg Tâl (talk) 23:03, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

Missing one of the enhanced editing toolbars[edit]

Unable to close the header/footer - the toolbar is missing and it limits the space to proofread. Is there a way to fix it?— Ineuw talk 09:32, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

I can't help myself but see Wikisource:Administrators'_noticeboard#Special:Gadgets It isn't just you. AuFCL (talk) 09:34, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

newbie needs guidance[edit]

Hello experienced wikiSource users I am first time newbie that is fairly confused about the right place to put source material about the 1960's Civil Rights Movement. Is it wikiSource or wikiBooks or maybe it doesn't belong on wiki at all? Help would be appreciated !! Here's the details - A participant in the 1960's Civil Rights Movement in the East Lansing Michigan area has written a pamphlet about the movement based on his personal knowledge. The author, John S. Duley, had asked me to help put the text on a public wiki. The author did not want to claim any copyright and would like to share it broadly for historical documentation. It includes first hand information about the intimidation and terror faced by the students from the North who traveled to help in the Southern Freedom struggles. John Duley is in his 90's and needs assistance in the publication of this historical information. The file is uploaded but it is not clear if it really meets the publication criteria. https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/File:Civil_Rights_Movement_EL_Text.pdf

THANKS for your advice Will Loew-Blosser

Right here on Wikisource is the correct place for this work. We just need a written release from the author. It can either be in the scanned work or can be through the OTRS process. If you and Mr. Duley decide to go with the first option, then I suggest you use one of the Creative Commons Licenses. The release does need to be integrated into the text (maybe on page 2, but could be on an additional page at the end. I note that a stray page has accidentally been scanned at the end of the file. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 00:29, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

Hi! I'm looking for the history of v = u + a.t and other equations of motion[edit]

Hi! I am looking for the history of SUVAT equations. Who documented them first in history? When were they framed? It was not Issac Newton, I can say, I have perused the Principia Mathematica of Newton here, but nowhere this has been explained. I have also perused various history books. Nowhere is this mentioned. 117.201.201.114 18:24, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

Maybe w:Wikipedia:Reference desk would be a better place to ask. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 18:48, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
Originally discovered by Galileo, later framed with Newton's second law. See here. Hrishikes (talk) 00:42, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Restore deleted pages?[edit]

Is it possible to restore deleted pages? Some pages I care about have been deleted, it was transcript of some speeches I can ask author to release copyright. But it is useful to ask only if they can be undeleted since I no longer have a copy of transcript. --Krishna Pagadala (talk) 01:53, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

@Krishna Pagadala: All pages that are deleted are technically capable of being undeleted. If you can get a release into the public domain of the works, then we can definitely have them undeleted. We follow the process in place at Commons:OTRS so please utilise that, with the only difference being to state that the works are at English Wikisource and give the respective urls. Once that has been submitted, then you can contact us here, of via info at wikisource.org and we can follow up with those who have access to the OTRS queue. — billinghurst sDrewth 02:03, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Sectioning[edit]

I am trying to use the ## s1 ##, ## s2 ##, etc. route for sectioning, but to no avail. Has anything changed where this type of formatting is concerned? I have used it many times in the past, although now in edit mode, it renders as <section begin="s1"/>, <section end="s1"/>. Thanks, Londonjackbooks (talk) 22:06, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

You're seeing the full version of LST. To set it back, you need to go to the Gadgets section of your Preferences and turn "Easy LST" on again. It's the second option under "Editing tools for Page: Namespace". Beeswaxcandle (talk) 22:18, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
Thought it might have something to do with having restored/adjusted my preferences, etc. Thanks, BWC. Londonjackbooks (talk) 22:35, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

Ask for help button fails in mobile mode[edit]

If someone has the time, can they run the mobile desktop and try the "Ask for help" button. When I try it off my phone it has conniptions and shows the header of this page in editor mode. I am guessing that it is interference fromb the preload function, though hard to tell from this device. Thanks. — billinghurst sDrewth 07:25, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Cute. It gives me this:
<div class="errorbox">
	
	Mobile editing is not currently available on your browser. Please try a different browser.
</div>
(not sure if that is what you wanted though?) AuFCL (talk) 08:57, 25 August 2015 (UTC) The above renders as an unhelpful pink box thus:

Mobile editing is not currently available on your browser. Please try a different browser.

It seems to be something about the button itself in mobile mode. :-/ — billinghurst sDrewth 11:11, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
I don't know if this is significant but the HTML drawing the button is subtly different in desktop and mobile mode. Under "desktop" I am receiving:
<input name="create" class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-progressive createboxButton webfonts-changed" value="Ask for Help" type="submit">
—but under "mobile" instead:
<input name="create" class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-progressive createboxButton" value="Ask for Help" type="submit">
—thought not a promising name I wonder if the fact class "webfonts-changed" is dropped in mobile mode might prompt a reaction if asked in the right circles? AuFCL (talk) 17:49, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
Just a reminder - most desktop view "default" .css definitions are not automatically "present" in mobile view to begin with. At the same time, defs prefixed with mw- or mw-ui- should be one of those types that are defined by default under both desktop & mobile views (if I'm not mistaken) so there is definitely some sort of disconnect going on here.

I'll look into this particular nuance when I get some time but if anybody wants to "cross-check" definitions on their own, .css defs can be added/usurped thru MediaWiki:Mobile.css to affect mobile Mode (or so they claim I should say). -- George Orwell III (talk) 19:38, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Page number at footer appears above body of text[edit]

Suggestions on how to remedy this; as well as any suggestions with regard to TOC formatting in general. I wish to keep the table simple, and no dotted TOC formatting please. Thank you! Londonjackbooks (talk) 22:23, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

When tables are split and there is text below the table on the first page, then a {{nop}} is needed as the first line of the footer. With respect to formatting, you've done what I would do. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 22:45, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
Thank you! Londonjackbooks (talk) 23:14, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
Another way to do it is to add a table row in the footer and place the page number there. — Ineuw talk 01:30, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

Trouble with changing from one scan to another[edit]

Hi! I need a little help with the book Index:Narratives of the mission of George Bogle to Tibet.djvu

It is originally a microfilm from Archive.org. When I started with it, I uploaded a djvu file with page 22 of the Preface missing, so I changed it to a Google books scan (probably of the same microfilm), only to find that it did not have page 22 either and had more problems (I can do without a preface page but not without missing pages in the Contents).

So I reverted to original file, but this way pages of the COntents got all misplaced and "pages not containing text" started corresponding with valid page scans full of text. I tried "rename" and "purge" options but they did not seem to work (I do not have a huge experience with these options). Can you please look into it?

TIA, Tar-ba-gan (talk) 11:49, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

You will need to redo the pagelist, I think. However, missing pages can be extracted from copies at Digital Library of India: 1, 2. Hrishikes (talk) 12:39, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
Wow. Thanks for the link to India Library. This is of great help.
However, there is one more thing I wouyld like to know: if there is a way to re-start the pages, so that the pages that correspond to Contents page scans are populated again. Tar-ba-gan (talk) 16:10, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

Script error[edit]

Any idea what is causing the script error in the notes section here? Londonjackbooks (talk) 14:16, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

There was a write-up regarding this a few days ago at Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#Script_error although I had gained the impression all was fixed by the time I read about it. Although easy to \scriptstyle{\cancel{\text{fix}}~\text{address}} with a null edit I cannot pretend to have a handle on whatever the base fault is/was. AuFCL (talk) 22:21, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
OK. Thanks, Londonjackbooks (talk) 00:04, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

Move over redirect[edit]

Could someone with appropriate permissions move 10 of Woody Guthrie's songs/True Love to 10 of Woody Guthrie's Songs/True Love over redirect ? —Beleg Tâl (talk) 14:59, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

Done.--Mpaa (talk) 18:01, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

Titling advice[edit]

How should I title the book War; or, What happens when one loves one's enemy in the Main? Thanks, Londonjackbooks (talk) 11:39, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

What is wrong with using that name? — billinghurst sDrewth 12:37, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
Ok by me. Wasn't sure if all the punctuation would be a problem. Thanks! Londonjackbooks (talk) 15:45, 3 September 2015 (UTC)