# Wikisource:Scriptorium/Help

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## An encounter with an unknown (by me) chemical notation

At the bottom of this page there are tiny math symbols (+ and -) on top of the formulas. Perhaps someone knows how to format insert them? — Ineuw talk 07:57, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Unicode doesn't support operators above like that, but instead ions are usually typeset like this: H+ + Cl-. LaTeX would normally need an additional package such as chemformula, which our math module doesn't support; instead I'd use ${\displaystyle \mathrm {H^{+}+Cl^{-}} }$ (additionally using \mathrm to remove the italicization that generally indicates that they are variables, which they aren't).—Beleg Tâl (talk) 12:30, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
Much gratitude for the new info. Never too old to learn something new. — Ineuw talk 20:47, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
@Ineuw: N.B. <ce> tag: "math" for chemical formulæ; e.g. <ce>\overset{^+}{H} + \overset{^-}{Cl}</ce> renders like ${\displaystyle {\ce {{\overset {^{+}}{H}}+{\overset {^{-}}{Cl}}}}}$. 121.217.32.28 10:04, 29 April 2017 (UTC)
Whoa, I had no idea that <ce> was a thing. I would still use ${\displaystyle {\ce {{H+}+Cl-}}}$ instead of ${\displaystyle {\ce {{\overset {^{+}}{H}}+{\overset {^{-}}{Cl}}}}}$, however. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 13:47, 29 April 2017 (UTC)
Thanks. This additional, invaluable information should be placed in the WS documentation. My proverbial hat is tipped to acknowledge all the savants of Wikisource. And, could you please elaborate on your choice of use? Just curious, because knowledge has a liberating effect. — Ineuw talk 20:40, 29 April 2017 (UTC)
Three reasons:
1. Consistency, since you still have H+ in the Unicode transcription.
2. Aesthetics, since it doesn't mess with the line height as much.
3. Standardization, since ${\displaystyle {\ce {H+}}}$ is the normal notation for ions. Replacing a difficult-to-render notation with a simpler and more standard one is a common practice on Wikisource, such as using ¼ instead of 14, or standard references for footnotes. These are just formatting changes of course; this should never be done if the result is an actual change to the intended usage of the author.
Beleg Tâl (talk) 21:10, 29 April 2017 (UTC)
Support Three good reasons, and it is just easier. — billinghurst sDrewth 23:02, 29 April 2017 (UTC)
Oppose FFS: Are we reproducing or interpreting the scans. Make up your minds! (Hint: copyright only protects one choice…not the one you appear to be making…)
Documentation (of sorts) of <ce> (technically obsolete per note here; use <chem> instead): m:Help:Displaying_a_formula#Chemistry. 58.164.37.211 03:43, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
I don't know what you mean by "copyright only protects one choice"; copyright gives us the right to do either way, to fold, spindle and mutilate the original in any way we feel like. We're not reproducing the scans; Commons is doing that. We're transcribing them, which requires interpretation, which sometimes involves complex choices about how to render something that doesn't fit exactly into our system.--Prosfilaes (talk) 07:07, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

## Problems with File:Special 301 Report 2014.pdf

I see strange errors with File:Special 301 Report 2014.pdf:

• when seeing proofread pages of the index, the images of the pages are not displayed, only proofread text is shown;
• when viewing the file (as here on En-WS, or on the Commons) the pages are displayed as empty;
• additionally to viewing the file, if trying to see alternative resolutions (any from Other resolutions: 185 × 240 pixels | 371 × 480 pixels | 464 × 600 pixels | 593 × 768 pixels | 1,275 × 1,650 pixels.), strange errors are displayed, for example:
Error generating thumbnail

Error creating thumbnail: Reading profile /etc/firejail/mediawiki-converters.profile Reading profile /etc/firejail/mediawiki-converters.profile �]0;firejail /usr/bin/convert -depth 8 -quality 95 -resize 185 - /tmp/transform_efeb80e7e64d.jpg �convert: no decode delegate for this image format ' @ error/constitute.c/ReadImage/501. convert: no images defined /tmp/transform_efeb80e7e64d.jpg' @ error/convert.c/ConvertImageCommand/3210. Parent pid 48742, child pid 48744 Parent is shutting down, bye...


Can anyone tell—what is that, and what could be done with that? --Nigmont (talk) 22:01, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

I'm having the same issue with Index:Über einen die Erzeugung und Verwandlung des Lichtes betreffenden heuristischen Gesichtspunkt.pdf; I thought it was a problem with the file, but now it appears to be a problem with all PDF files. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 23:47, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
Reported to Phabricator. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 00:19, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
Thank you very much for handling the problem and registering the issue! Now waiting the solution. Regards, Nigmont (talk) 17:44, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
@Nigmont: reported as resolved, there is the requirement to flush the thumbnail cache. Please use the purge link on the Index: pages. — billinghurst sDrewth 13:50, 29 April 2017 (UTC)
Yes, the issue has been resolved (I have checked Special 301 Report 2014.pdf, and also Über einen die Erzeugung und Verwandlung des Lichtes betreffenden heuristischen Gesichtspunkt.pdf), I confirm. --Nigmont (talk) 03:30, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

## A question about the Hebrew Accent Ole

I've been working through the early parts of the Brown-Driver-Briggs Hebrew Lexicon. The page I'm hung up on is [1]. I've been able to get all the various Hebrew letters and specialized diacritical marks to work except for one. Near the bottom of the page, there's a word (pronounced BA-yin) where I need to get a Hebrew accent named "Ole" [2] over the B (Bet). If anyone knows of a specific editor who has a lot of experience with making Hebrew-language texts display in Wikisource, I may need to go bother that particular person. Alephb (talk) 03:03, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

@Alephb: Like this, ב֫ ? Hrishikes (talk) 03:28, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
Thanks! That was quick. For now I used copy-paste to get that into the appropriate spot. For the future, how did you call that up? I've been using various keyboard shortcuts to call up the rest, but somehow I can't seem to figure out what to do for ole. Alephb (talk) 03:36, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
@Alephb: I use http://www.lexilogos.com/keyboard/hebrew.htm and its sister language keyboards to do this kind of thing, and then copy/paste into the Page. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 06:40, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
. That's perfect. I'll use that for anything I can't do through the regular keyboard. Alephb (talk) 07:30, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

## What women are educated for‎ needs to be transcluded

Would some kind soul who has a little time, help GinnevraDubois migrate the recent instalment from the transcription done in Index:Once a Week Volume V.djvu to the main ns. I cannot get to this for numbers of hours. Thanks if you can. Oh, and probably put as subpages of the parent work. — billinghurst sDrewth 04:37, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

## Poem tag across page breaks

Is it possible to use the poem tag across page breaks? For example when a poem crosses over to the next page? Jpez (talk) 12:09, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

Yes. But keep the begin/end poem tags within the edit box and not in the header/footer. Even though your poem continues onto the next page, you will still need to close first/subsequent pages with </poem> and begin with <poem>. Londonjackbooks (talk) 12:45, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
@Jpez:If your issue was with the added line space rendered after the first line, that was due to the bc/s template not being on its own line. Londonjackbooks (talk) 12:55, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
Thanks, I was adding the peom tag in the footer/header space. I was also wondering about the space below the first line, nice to find a solution for this also. Thanks! Jpez (talk) 13:53, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

## formatting quotation marks within drop-initial

Can someone please remind me again how to format regular sized quotation marks when using drop initial? Thanks, Londonjackbooks (talk) 00:54, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

There's a helpful guide at Template:Dropinitial#Use with quotes. Essentially: use {{float left}} or the fl parameter of {{dropinitial}}. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 01:19, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
Thank you. I should have thought to look there first... lazy brain tonight... Londonjackbooks (talk) 01:26, 2 May 2017 (UTC)