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Index pages missing in special:IndexPages[edit]

I am from the sanskrit wikisource. There we observe that several index pages (181 present in here) do not appear in special:IndexPages. This leads to people being misled. Can you help us understand and rectify this problem? Vishvas vasuki (talk) 14:52, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

@Vishvas vasuki: The tool was developed by our colleagues in French Wikisource, so it may be more worthwhile asking them. — billinghurst sDrewth 22:26, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for the lead! I've asked there. Vishvas vasuki (talk) 00:40, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
This is an item that has concerned me since I've been here (over a year now). I really like this list but noted that not all index pages showed. I've now got a partial solution, if anyone is interested in sharing going forward. On Nov 1, 2016 Baseball Joe Around the World was created, Nov 5, 2016 Dave Porter and his Rivals was created. The first one still did not appear today, yet the second one did. It appears that a page needs to be processed before it shows up on the List. Instead of proofing a page, I clicked on the clock-purge gadget (good gadget!), and now Baseball Joe shows up on the list. If other Wikisources don't have this gadget, maybe some help their way could be in order. Humbug26 (talk) 17:55, 6 November 2016 (UTC)
@Humbug26: Please describe process ... do you mean start working on the transcription process, ie. transcribe a page? Do you mean that you needed to purge the index page? If there is an issue that can fixed with a purge, then we can have a bot touch/purge the (newly create) index pages. If we have a xwiki issue with a tool then the issue should be lodged in Phabricator: for a better resolution. Personally I rarely use Special:IndexPages as I (personally) find little use for it. — billinghurst sDrewth 23:03, 6 November 2016 (UTC)
As I see it, index page is created, no transcription, does not show up on Special:List of Index Pages. If index page is purged, with no action on any page, then the project shows on the List. Doing a quick check of Category:Index, there would appear to be 10,053 indexes; yet List of Index Pages shows 9,766, leaving 287 unaccounted for. I tend to like this list as the wiki category pages are not the easiest to read when looking for something to work on; probably accounts for the various userpage indices pages. The only other thing that I would find useful is the index-creation year but that is another thought for some other time. Humbug26 (talk) 16:30, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

Is this text in the public domain?[edit]

I am considering doing some transcribing, but how can I tell if a particular text is in the public domain in the United States?

Specifically, I'm interested in Arthur Waley's translation of The Tale of Genji.

More generally, is there a way I can easily look up whether copyright still applies to this or that work?

Hijiri88 (talk) 12:47, 5 November 2016 (UTC)

@Hijiri88: If your text isn't in the public domain in the States, in this instance, it is in Canada and so you can post it to wikilivres:. —Justin (koavf)TCM 14:10, 5 November 2016 (UTC)

This question might be better posted to Wikisource:Copyright discussions. This "Help" page is usually focused on technical issues, and the copyright specialists don't always drop in here. --EncycloPetey (talk) 18:42, 5 November 2016 (UTC)

Also, regarding the more general question, you will find Help:Public domain a good guide. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 02:43, 6 November 2016 (UTC)
@Hijiri88: We usually point users to http://copyright.cornell.edu/resources/publicdomain.cfm as the best descriptive page. In short, any non-US book published after 1922 is unlikely to be out of copyright in the US as there was 95 year copyright. — billinghurst sDrewth 23:09, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

Cassell's Illustrated History of England/Volume 2/Chapter 10[edit]

Could someone help me figure out this transclusion? I have checked and re-checked but cannot seem to get this to only include the part of page 298 (djvu page 312) before the start of the next chapter. - Tannertsf (talk) 18:47, 8 November 2016 (UTC)

Fixed.— Mpaa (talk) 19:43, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
Thank you - Tannertsf (talk) 19:52, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
@Tannertsf: For what it's worth, I never enclose values with double quotes where it is not required . . . like when there is no space in the tag value, only it must begin with an alpha character. This applies to section tags, named ref tags, and measurements like 15px, 3em, etc. It reduces the clutter. — Ineuw talk 20:08, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
Thank you. - Tannertsf (talk) 20:32, 8 November 2016 (UTC)

How do you stylize this?[edit]

Greetings Wikisource community (CC:EncycloPetey). I'm currently working on this page where a quote is written in a quite peculiar way, see the original here:

"The House resumed the consideration of the re-
" port of the Committee, to whom was referred the
" memorial of Andrew G. Faunces: whereupon,
" Resolved, That the reasons assigned by the secre-
" tary of the treasury for refusing payments of the
" warrants referred to in the memorial, are fully
" sufficient to justify his conduct; and that in the
" whole course of this transaction, the secretary and
" other officers of the treasury, have acted a meritori-
" ous part towards the public."

As you can see every line that is part of the quote has a " in front of it. How should this be stylized? Should it just be a quotation mark at the start & end of the whole section, should I use {{quote}} or something else entirely? What is the general practice on this? Respectfully, InsaneHacker (💬) 18:40, 9 November 2016 (UTC) - Minor corrections made 18:44

Normally we'd just simply put a quotation at the beginning and the end. There isn't even a good way to replicate that formatting style in HTML/CSS without manually specifying line breaks anyway. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 19:26, 9 November 2016 (UTC)
@Beleg Tâl. Thanks for the help. I have another question if you don't mind. I have another page which contains footnotes. I'm going to use a ref-tag to make them, but should I put a reflist at the bottom of the individual page or just let it appear "naturally" so that if the whole thing is viewed at once it'll all go to the bottom of the work? Respectfully, InsaneHacker (💬) 19:58, 9 November 2016 (UTC)
You can put <references /> or {{smallrefs}} in the footer of the individual page; this will not transclude to mainspace so you can put <references /> again at the bottom of the mainspace page once you've transcluded it. I've put it on on the page in question. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 20:05, 9 November 2016 (UTC)
Beg to differ with Beleg Tâl, line breaks can be handled by the poem tag. Also, as far as I know, a colon should not be used to indent in this context because of printing problems. I struggled for a long time with poem tags and center block, which creates uneven top and bottom margins. Finally, I figured out which styles are accepted by the poem tag, so I use the method below. — Ineuw talk 20:10, 9 November 2016 (UTC)

"The House resumed the consideration of the re-
" port of the Committee, to whom was referred the
" memorial of Andrew G. Faunces: whereupon,
" Resolved, That the reasons assigned by the secre-
" tary of the treasury for refusing payments of the
" warrants referred to in the memorial, are fully
" sufficient to justify his conduct; and that in the
" whole course of this transaction, the secretary and
" other officers of the treasury, have acted a meritori-
" ous part towards the public."

The problem with that is that we don't want to preserve line breaks in flowing paragraphs. Like I said, it can be done if you include the line breaks. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 20:14, 9 November 2016 (UTC)
Got it, I misunderstood your post. I never seen such issue coming up before. My example is for poems in PSM which are all set with smaller characters and how I resolved their appearance. — Ineuw talk 21:38, 9 November 2016 (UTC)
This discussion has come up once or twice and I ended up experimenting with it extensively the last time. I think it's different for poems since the line breaks are definitely to be preserved in that case :) —Beleg Tâl (talk) 21:53, 9 November 2016 (UTC)
It's incredibly common in earlier printing that instead of one pair of quotation marks, a quotation mark starts each line of the quotation.--Prosfilaes (talk) 09:14, 10 November 2016 (UTC)
The parts of this I've wrestled with are: (a) Do we indent the margin of such quotes? (b) Do we place quote marks at the start of each paragraph, or just the leading one?
As far as (a) goes, the quotation marks are definitely visible in the original when this is done, and those definitely inset the text by about 1em. So, while I agree that we shouldn't replicate the quote marks at the start of every line, we lose the visual aspect of that formatting if we don't also inset the text by an em.
As for (b), it was not uncommon among Victorian printers that, when a quoted passage runs for several paragraphs, each paragraph had a leading quotation mark to show that the quotation continues, but there is no closing mark until the end of the passage. Alternatively, we could just have one leading and one closing set of marks for the entire passage.
The two issues are not entirely unrelated, as an inset passage would have less need to worry about issue (b). --EncycloPetey (talk) 11:52, 10 November 2016 (UTC)
This is the first I've heard that (b) isn't just general standard English usage... —Beleg Tâl (talk) 12:11, 10 November 2016 (UTC)
I've always been taught that the correct (modern) style is to skip the closing quotation mark at the end of a paragraph where the quotation continues in the next paragraph. Maybe I just read old books though! :-) Sam Wilson 00:32, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
Okay, I looked it up and the following style guides indicate quotations are to be used at the beginning of each paragraph and the end of the last paragraph:
So it looks like omitting the opening quotation mark in a new paragraph is actually incorrect usage, though of course that doesn't matter if a source scan that fails to follow this rule. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 03:17, 11 November 2016 (UTC)

Typewritten documents and 1's and 0's[edit]

This is something of a hypothetical situation, but since I've been transcribing lots of typewritten documents recently I'm sure I'll run into this situation sooner rather than later.

Certain models of typewriters didn't have numeric 1 and 0 keys, so typists were trained to instead use the letters l and O as replacements. Eg. To write 100 they would write loo (lowercase letter O) or lOO (capital/uppercase letter O). This was a technical limitation and an accompanying workaround, and was not really "rare".

When transcribing this situation, is it preferred to transcribe the "understood" 100 or the literal "loo"? I know the usual rule of thumb is "transcribe what you see" but using the "lookalike" characters in this case will render as complete nonsense for screen-readers and so on. (Imagine a screenreader reading this sentence: "There were loo children present in the crowd." It makes no sense. (-: )

I don't have a ready example here on WS that I've noticed this scenario on, but I have seen it on other not-yet-hosted-here typewritten documents. I'll see if I can hunt one down as an example.

--Mukkakukaku (talk) 14:07, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

Definitely in this case you should use 1 and 0 instead of l and O. On the typewriters it makes sense to use the same button for both and let the glyphs be identical, but on WS characters are encoded separately so it no longer makes sense. Essentially you should treat lOO as a 100 that has been rendered using a font where 1 and l look identical as do 0 and O, because that is the thinking that prompted the typewriter manufacturers to make that design decision in the first place. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 14:40, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

ProofreadPage scripts in Translation namespace[edit]

I've noticed that ProofreadPage doesn't add page numbers or Source links in the Translations namespace. There are a handful of user translations using the ProofreadPage extension, including one I am working on currently (Index:Frenchnurseryrhy00bcfruoft.djvu). Does anyone know how to get these scripts running in that namespace in addition to mainspace? Should it be reported in Phabricator or something along those lines? —Beleg Tâl (talk) 16:00, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

I would have thought that page numbers would have been applied by Mediawiki:PageNumbers.js. For the source link, someone will need to ask Tpt, and I would think that it would be a phabricator ticket whether it is a an extension change or a local configuration change. — billinghurst sDrewth 15:24, 26 November 2016 (UTC)
PageNumbers.js bombs out 'cause no table.pr_quality. unsigned comment by 101.175.171.234 (talk) .
@Phe, @Tpt: are you able to provide guidance here? — billinghurst sDrewth 00:18, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

Move a page from mainspace to Page space[edit]

I moved Page:Canada-Margriet-hospital-extraterritorial.png/1 to the Page namespace a while ago, but it isn't behaving correctly for a Page page. Can I fix this while preserving page history? —Beleg Tâl (talk) 01:14, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

The content model is wrong but I cannot succeed in changing it (during one of my attempts I moved it to Page:Canada-Margriet-hospital-extraterritorial.png).— Mpaa (talk) 14:20, 26 November 2016 (UTC)
Moved back to Page:Canada-Margriet-hospital-extraterritorial.png/1.— Mpaa (talk) 14:32, 26 November 2016 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Donebillinghurst sDrewth 15:19, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

Help with HTML code[edit]

Hello, I created this page (link to the page), but with "spaghetti" HTML code, so it would be nice if someone look at it and improved that HTML code to something normal. Thanks. --Human. (talk) 01:52, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

Yes check.svg DoneIneuw talk 07:21, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

Existing page is not recognized when attempting to link[edit]

This page exists and has been validated. But when I try to link the Table of contents' first entry Chapter XXII the "page 1" entry, it creates the same page. I assume that this is a cache issue, which I tried to clear but to no avail. — Ineuw talk 06:59, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

A Spurious Unicode character had somehow become inserted into the page number entry. Fixed ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 10:05, 3 December 2016 (UTC)