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Index:The mystic test book.djvu[edit]

In the process of transcribing, I've implemented a quick {{playing card}} template, ideally what would be the best way to reproduce the exact cards on this work? An Approach to the graphics workshop at Commons? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 16:25, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

I think the way you have done it is the best way. Good on you! —Beleg Tâl (talk) 16:32, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
Next problem is how to reproduce the layouts. Page:The mystic test book.djvu/155 , Which should ideally I think be a Lua based table generator, I can't write Lua code, so would appreciate someone writing one. :) ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 16:40, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

Removing a file and an index in favor of higher resolution scans[edit]

Hi, will you be able to remove File:A_Statistical_Account_of_Bengal_Vol_1_GoogleBooksID_9WEOAAAAQAAJ.pdf and the associated index at Wikisource for me? I have higher resolution scans that I like to use instead. Thank you. Samiur Rahman 2017 (talk) 22:47, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

Upload the new file over the top of the current one, then update the Index: page. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 23:56, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

Error in file naming and category[edit]

I just uploaded a file. I named it File:Blackwoodsmagazi46edinuoft.djvu I intended to name it File:Blackwood's Magazine volume 046.djvu to maintain the convention for Blackwood Magazine Volume names. Please instruct me how to remedy this.

Also This media file is uncategorized. I do not know what categories to apply and am unable to find field to compare while reviewing comparable files.Klarm768 (talk) 16:50, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

At the Wikimedia Commons file page (commons:File:Blackwoodsmagazi46edinuoft.djvu), you should have a "Move & Replace" option in the top menu (it may be in the "more" dropdown). You can use that to rename the file.
As for categories, I suggest "Blackwood's Magazine scans" is most important as that is where they can all be seen together. V45 and lower have "DjVu files in English" too. You could add lots of other categories as well like "1839 documents" and so on, but I don't really see the value in overdoing the Commons categories: no-one is realistically going to be finding these files via their categorisation at Commons, except for the Blackwood's category. Inductiveloadtalk/contribs 17:07, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

Duplicate page removal request[edit]

DjVu pages 444 & 445 are duplicates of pp. 442 & 443 in this text and need to be removed, if anyone is willing. @Mpaa:? Thank you! Londonjackbooks (talk) 20:05, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

Can't they just be ignored? It is what I do with such works. Being there, marked as duplicates/blanked shouldn't be an issue. — billinghurst sDrewth 12:57, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
Sounds good to me! Londonjackbooks (talk) 15:20, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

Avoiding a space between two pages when index is transcluded, but not with a new section.[edit]

I have a problem regarding the page Page:Observations on Certain Documents Contained in No. V & VI of "The History of the United States for the Year 1796," In which the Charge of Speculation Against Alexander Hamilton, Late Secretary of the Treasury, is Fully Refuted.pdf/69. In this particular work, there's no space between em dashes at the end of a sentence and the beginning of the next.

As an example, the end of this sentence is marked by an em dash—And the next sentence comes after the dash without a space.

The problem is that on the page linked above, the page ends with an em dash, meaning that when the index is transcluded, MediaWiki will automatically insert a space.

Which means that when transcluded, the lack of space between the em dash and the sentences will not be represented correctly— Like this.

How can I avoid this, other than by bodging it and grabbing the first word of the next page and inserting it on this one? I know {{nop}} is used for paragraph breaks and when you don't want a space to ruin template syntax, but as far as I understand it, it won't work here. Sincerely, InsaneHacker (💬) 22:36, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

This sounds like a Phabricator issue. Commas and periods are handled properly, but it seems that em-dashes are not. --EncycloPetey (talk) 22:37, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
I assume that's because standard practice is to put a space after commands and periods, so they don't need to do do anything special in the software to accommodate them. Sincerely, InsaneHacker (💬) 22:48, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
No, you misunderstand. That's not the situation I meant at all. I meant situations like the one you describe, where the punctuation following the split word is a comma or period, and there is no space between the word and the following punctuation.
Transclusion currently works across pages so that
hesita- + -tion. yields hesitation. (without intrusive space)
hesita- + -tion, yields hesitation, (without intrusive space)
hesita- + -tion— yields hesitation — (with intrusive space)
So it does not insert a space before a period or comma, but does insert a space before an em-dash. --EncycloPetey (talk) 22:50, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
I'd handle it using {{hws}}: {{hws|before—|before—after|hyph=}} / {{hwe|after|before—after}} —Beleg Tâl (talk) 22:58, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
But we shouldn't have to do that. If transclusion worked properly, then that workaround wouldn't be necessary. --EncycloPetey (talk) 23:00, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
Transclusion is working properly. Your understanding of the issue does not patch *match the issue in the linked scan. Your example "hesi-" + "tation—" transcludes correctly as "hesitation—", but the situation here is that we want "hesi—" + "tation" to transclude as "hesi—tation". —Beleg Tâl (talk) 23:02, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Now that I've got a hold of you: I've been trying to transclude the Index in my sandbox, but despite the fact that I've copy-pasted the file name directly, it can't find the index. Do you think it's due to the fact that there are quotes in the file name? I tried using {{"}}, but that didn't work either. Sincerely, InsaneHacker (💬) 23:04, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
I find " works in such situations. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 23:18, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
This situation is dealt with by using the {{lps}} and {{lpe}} pair of templates (not the hws/hwe pair). Beeswaxcandle (talk) 23:54, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
There are numbers of ways to achieve this. As said there are a couple of templates that are possible, or you can simply but the "text—" into the footer, and then use <includeonly>text—</includeonly> to start the text on the next page. Neither is wrong. — billinghurst sDrewth 13:04, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
But, as I said before, if transclusion treated the properties of punctuation characters correctly, then we wouldn't need to use a special alternative for this situation. --EncycloPetey (talk) 14:52, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
@Beleg Tâl: No, the situation I describe is not transcluding properly. My intention was not to patch the scan, but to clarify that it doesn't work and under what situations. The behavior of transclusion differs by punctuation, so that em-dashes are not treated correctly for spacing purposes, but periods and commas are treated correctly. I've seen this behavior recently, but can't locate the spot where I saw it happen. When a hyphenated word is split across two pages, and there is an em-dash immediately following the hyphenated word, the following em-dash does not connect with the preceding word. But when the following punctuation is a comma, period, or colon, no space is inserted. The problem is peculiar to the em-dash. I'm sorry if I didn't make this clear enough for you. --EncycloPetey (talk) 14:50, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
@EncycloPetey: sorry, I mistyped; I meant that the behaviour you described does not match the behaviour described by User:InsaneHacker; that they were two separate issues. But regarding the issue you describe, where the mdash follows the hyphenated word: I have tested it in my sandbox, and it works the way I would expect; see User:Beleg Tâl/Sandbox#HWS and mdash. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 16:54, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
Then behavior of transclusion must have changed sometime in the past two weeks, or some other glitch was in play, because I know I came across this issue recently and it did not work. I will keep looking to see whether I can locate it again. --EncycloPetey (talk) 18:05, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
It's possible something may have changed. I know that little glitches tend to appear and disappear every so often around here. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 18:25, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

Opposite of {{nop}}?[edit]

Is there an opposite of {{nop}}? Something that will force elements together, like {{hws}}, but for whole pages or sections. I ask because I'm making extensive use of the {{iwpage}} template family: for a concrete example of the problem of transcluding "foreign" Wikisource pages, see this page (the ref should be right after the French text, not a few lines after it). Pinging @John Vandenberg, original creator of the hsw template page. NMaia (talk) 22:51, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

We haven't made much use of those templates here because of the problems they create. The template creates a section using CSS coding that would be difficult (or impossible) to override. It's a question of placing content after a container tag, but wanting that content to appear within the container tags. I'm not sure that's even possible. --EncycloPetey (talk) 23:01, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
@EncycloPetey: thanks for the prompt reply. If that's the case, how would you have handled a multilingual page like that? Apart from the trailing whitespace, I've had no problems so far. NMaia (talk) 23:25, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
Multilingual works are either transcribed locally, or else hosted entirely on the multilingual Wikisource. We don't usually half-host works in that way or transclude works that have been transcribed remotely. --EncycloPetey (talk) 00:14, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
@NMaia: And just in case you weren't aware, that is here: s:mul:. —Justin (koavf)TCM 06:19, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
I was aware of mul, but to me it seems a little unsatisfying to have a text there, away from most target-language reviewers :/ NMaia (talk) 10:06, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
@NMaia: Do you have a better solution? —Justin (koavf)TCM 17:43, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
Not for this problem specifically but in general interwiki transclusion has been working well, so I guess I'll stick with that. There could be an issue with Index:Onovoguiadaconve00fons.pdf however, which seems to be entirely bilingual... In that case I suppose mul would be better. NMaia (talk) 19:58, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
I don't know enough about how complicated things can get to have an idea how badly this would break everything, but would a template that wraps everything in a classed div with a rule in a sitewide stylesheet that all its descendants be display: inline; work for this specific single block of text scenario? Looks like the HTML output is just separate divs and ps dividing things, there's a <br /> too but I think that's from the shorthand Labeled Section Transclusion including linebreaks between sections. Prosody (talk) 07:03, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment You are trying to fight the laws of html. We are dealing with <div>-<div> formatting, not <span>, so it will never work by templating methodology with separation.

    I would have thought it straightforward in that the ref should have been in the text at frWS. It is what I have gone and done with it. Works should stay true to their texts, and putting a small ref into another wiki seems incongruous to me. We have plenty of texts where a small component is in another language. The use of that interwiki is more aligned with a text like File:République Française - Constitution - 1848.djvubillinghurst sDrewth 10:04, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

Wanting to display a footnote that isn't actually in the text, but still using reflist.[edit]

I've run into a rather peculiar edge case on the Danish Wikisource, and since we're only 2-3 active users on there I've come here for advice. Basically, the body of da:Side:UfR.1917B.1 Frantz Dahl - Ugeskrift for Retsvæsen (1867-1916) og dets forgængere.pdf/19 contains the footnotes 1-3 & 5-9, but in the actual footnote area there's also a footnote 4 which doesn't appear in the body itself, either because it wasn't meant to be there or because the printer forgot to include it. Either way, I/we would like to include the footnote in the reflist to be as faithful to the source material as possible. The problem is that most of the text was transcribed using the MediaWiki <ref>-framework, and I'm unsure if it's even possible to include unused footnotes using the reflist.

My first inclination was to list all the references in order using the reflist and then referring back to them, like this:

This is the paragraph, there is a footnote labeled number 3<ref name="n3" /> and a footnote labeled number 5<ref name="n5" />. Footnote 4 is nowhere to be seen.

<references>
<ref name="n3">This is footnote 3</ref>
<ref name="n4">This is footnote 4, which doesn't actually appear in the body of the text</ref>
<ref name="n5">This is footnote 5</ref>
</references>

The problem is that MediaWiki simply doesn't display refs in the reflist if they aren't called in the actual text, so that won't work. My other idea was to simply place the footnote in some arbitrary place between footnote 3 and 5 and then hide it using <span style="display:none;></span>.

This is the paragraph, there is a footnote labeled number 3<ref name="n3">This is footnote 3</ref> and a footnote labeled<span style="display:none;><ref name="n4">This is footnote 4, which doesn't actually appear in the body of the text</ref></span> number <ref name="n5">This is footnote 5</ref>. Footnote 4 is nowhere to be seen.

This does make the reference show up in the reflist, but the problem is that when the user clicks on it they'll be taken to an empty spot, making them confused. It might be worth it, but I was hoping for a better solution.

The last way of doing it would be by using manual footnotes with {{ref}} and {{note}}, which does allow for "non linked" footnotes, but it would require a full rework of the transcription and be extremely cumbersome, so if there's a solution using reflist instead, I'm all ears. Sincerely, InsaneHacker (💬) 23:25, 26 November 2017 (UTC)

I've done it using display:none; I don't think there's any problem with this. I'd try to identify a passage in the text that matches the footnote though, if possible. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 03:47, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

Advice on image with lots of text[edit]

I am proofreading a book which includes many images which incorporate text. Many of these are construction schematics with handwritten notes. Could I have some advice on how I should plan to process these? Consider this sample page:

Should I -

  1. Crop the images with the image text from the book then place them into the pages (easiest and most true to source)
  2. Crop the images from the book, erase the image text, then reproduce the image text in a more clear modern font and insert that new text into a modified image for Wikisource
  3. Crop the images from the book, erase the image text, then transcribe the image text into Wikisource even when there is no good way in Wikisource to place it as it was in the original
  4. Do a mix of keeping images with text and transcribing text at my discretion

Can anyone show a similar case and how it resolved? Thanks. Blue Rasberry (talk) 23:47, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

I download the .jp2 (high resolution) file from Internet Archive, delete the text pages, and convert the pages containing the images to greyscale .jpg or .png. using Irfanview. Then trim, clean and name them as required, and upload them to the Wikimedia commons. When there are multiple images on a page, I replicate the page for the number of images and name each separately. However, I avoid using books scanned by Google because they destroy them. Look for another copy on the Internet Archive to use for the images. — Ineuw talk 00:27, 29 November 2017 (UTC)
@Ineuw: I just checked the Internet Archive again. The only copy there that I can find is this one, which I uploaded. I get the bit about the cleanup and upload to Commons. Do you have any comments about all the text in the images? Should I treat that as part of the image, or does anyone transcribe that somehow? Thanks. Blue Rasberry (talk) 23:24, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
@Bluerasberry: If the text is within the image it is part of the image, captions are proofread in Wikisource. See this image on this page although, in this case, there is no caption. — Ineuw talk 01:41, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
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@Bluerasberry: Whilst not appropriate in this instance be aware if a small amount of text needs to be overlaid on a clean image these templates may be useful: {{overfloat image}} and the {tl|flow under}} family. 114.73.1.186 09:29, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

YesY Okay, thanks, I can see the examples you shared and now I understand how this works. This all makes sense. In my case, the text is part of the images and I should isolate the images+image text from the body, clean those, then re-insert. Thanks. Blue Rasberry (talk) 14:45, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

Page load problem[edit]

Is there anything can be done to eliminate multiple clicks on the edit button for the scan to appear? I have to do this 600+ times per volume. Have purged, hard purged and null edited the Index page but it helps none. Also, the page status colors disappear after a few minutes so I must go through the same procedure. — Ineuw talk 00:13, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

The clock and purge gadget is the quickest workaround for these issues that I have found. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 14:00, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

Help with adding CC license. I have permission via email but do not know how to "tag" CC to article[edit]

Re: Navajo Nation Statement (November 27, 2017)

Thank you Prosody (talk) for drawing my attention to the copyright tag. I have contacted Amber K. Crotty at Navajo Nation Council and she has granted the permission to use this. I have the email directed to me. How do I share this with the Wikisource administrator?Oceanflynn (talk) 19:11, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

@Oceanflynn: First off, make sure that she's explicit about which CC license she is using--there are several terms (such as CC BY versus CC BY SA) and editions (e.g. CC BY 4.0 and CC BY 3.0). Then, you would forward a ticket to OTRS. This usually verifies uploads at Commons. —Justin (koavf)TCM 20:06, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

Sheet music help[edit]

I am experimenting with LilyPond in a sandbox, and have hit a snag. I posed a question &c. at the Help:Sheet music discussion page if someone can take a look. Thank you, Londonjackbooks (talk) 01:26, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

Is Wikisource the place to post this public domain book 📖 that's already hosted on another website?[edit]

Hello 👋🏻 everyone,

My name is Donald “the Don” Trung, I’m not really familiar with Wikisource or how it works. My home 🏠 wiki is Wikimedia Commons and uploading images is very different from uploading books 📚. Well, from what I’ve read on Wikipedia Wikisource is “the place where you dump original research that shouldn't be on Wikipedia” and from what I could find this project is very template-centric. I personally love using templates if they’re efficient but I’m honestly confused as to how importing pages and the like goes but I’ll put that aside and get right to the point as to what I wish 🌠 to do here.

There is a book 🕮 known as Annam and its minor currency (hosted on Art-Hanoi, a website owned by Sema/w:en:User:Pyvanet/Commons:User:Pyvanet~Commonswiki) that was published in 1882. Though the author was of Hispanic origin (which would make the book copyrighted until 2022 if it were published in his home country) it was actually published in Shanghai and is now in the public domain. As the link 🔗 shows the book (in its full form) is already hosted on another website, I don't own a physical copy of it to scan and I already have a batch request on Wikimedia Commons to download images from the book. So we’ve established that this book is in fact not copyrighted, does that mean that it's within the scope of Wikisource?

Does the fact that it's hosted on another website mean that It’s ineligible to be “copied over” to Wikisource? Or can I copy the book 📖 and publish it here? If I can upload it here, would I have to properly attribute the website where it's currently hosted on?

Sent from my Microsoft Lumia 950 XL with Microsoft Windows 10 Mobile 📱. -- Donald Trung (徵國單)  (討論 🤙🏻) (方孔錢 ☯) 11:12, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

@Donald Trung: a book being hosted elsewhere has no bearing on if it's appropriate for Wikisource. In fact, many of our books are also found on other sites, such as the Internet Archive or Project Gutenberg. —Justin (koavf)TCM 21:13, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
@Donald Trung: If a published book is in PD in the US, we will usually be willing to host it here, provided that the book is written in English. If it is also PD in its country of publication, then any scans and images are hosted at Commons. --EncycloPetey (talk) 23:33, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
Well, the book is PD in China (it was first published in Shanghai, Qing Dynasty) and it's written in English. The author (Eduardo Toda y Güell) is Hispanic and under Hispanic copyright © laws it would still be copyrighted until 2022 but it was published in China and those United States of America in 1882. Further I have a couple of questions, but I will save this now as my wireless telephone is prone to crashing and signing me out. -- Donald Trung (徵國單)  (討論 🤙🏻) (方孔錢 ☯) 10:20, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
(1) Should I attribute Art-Hanoi when copying the book? (also note that Sema/Pyvanet~Commonswiki added the numbers from the book 📖 Historical cash coins of Viet Nam by Dr. R. Allen Barker and I will remove those), (2) Should I make every chapter a template? (or however that is called in Wikisource-speak) and if so, can I re-use the manner it is currently organised in Art-Hanoi? (3) As I don't own a physical copy, can I just create a book 📖 in raw text without having something (like an image/scan) to compare it to?
Disclaimer: I am not employed by, or otherwise affiliated with Art-Hanoi, I did not conjure up the ghost 👻 of Eduardo Toda y Güell and asked him to pay me in ghost-dollars to "spam" his book, and the usual disclaimers. This is completely voluntary and I personally have no direct financial benefit out of hosting that book from 1802 here (other than it being a PD wharez eBook). -- Donald Trung (徵國單)  (討論 🤙🏻) (方孔錢 ☯) 10:27, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
(1) Yes, if the copy you create on Wikisource is based on the Art-Hanoi version instead of a scan, you would use the template {{textinfo}} to indicate this on the page Talk:Annam and its Minor Currency.
(2) Every chapter would be a sub-page. For example, the front matter would go at Annam and its Minor Currency, then Chapter I would go at Annam and its Minor Currency/Chapter 1, then Annam and its Minor Currency/Chapter 2 and so forth.
(3) Scan-backed works are very much preferred, but scans are not necessary if they are not available.
Beleg Tâl (talk) 22:51, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
"The author died in 1941, so this work is in the public domain in its country of origin and other countries and areas where the copyright term is the author's life plus 75 years or less.
This work is in the public domain in the United States because it was published (or registered with the U.S. Copyright Office) before January 1, 1923." (4) Should I place this somewhere in the book? -- Donald Trung (徵國單)  (討論 🤙🏻) (方孔錢 ☯) 10:37, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
Yes, absolutely. You would do this by placing the text {{PD/1923|1941}} at the bottom of the work's main page. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 22:51, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
The book also isn't complete on Art-Hanoi, this chapter has been replaced by a search engine rather than listing the years and chronology of Vietnamese/Annamese history, (5) can I still copy the rest of the book and place a note that this chapter is incomplete? -- Donald Trung (徵國單)  (討論 🤙🏻) (方孔錢 ☯) 13:49, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
Works that are incomplete and based on incomplete sources are discouraged and might be deleted if there is no way to complete the work. I recommend that you find a complete source before you start setting up a copy on Wikisource. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 22:51, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
Could I otherwise temporarily copy and add the correct markup in my own userspace and then attempt to acquire an actual copy of the book? Otherwise I could ask the owner of the website to mail me an image of those pages as he himself was active on Wikimedia projects sharing things from it (many of which are still used in many articles today), the book is a numismatic one and one could say that the calendar 📅 isn't paramount to the numismatic content but that wouldn't render the current work hosted on Art-Hanoi as any less complete, I'll await feedback here before copying any material over. -- Donald Trung (徵國單)  (討論 🤙🏻) (方孔錢 ☯) 11:26, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
I think that's a great idea. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 06:36, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
Thank you, this section can be market as "Resolved ✅" or something. And thank everyone for their help, I will work on the project in the (not ao?) near future when I'll find the time, and I will attempt to contact Sema/Pyvanet~Commonsiwki a bit sooner. -- Donald Trung (徵國單)  (討論 🤙🏻) (方孔錢 ☯) 10:13, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
(IMO the Art-Hanoi digitization is already so well done that I see little point in redoing the work here. Suzukaze-c (talk) 04:32, 3 December 2017 (UTC))
I honestly would agree, but in my years of browsing the internet I would often find websites disappear one day for whatever reason, for that reason I used all of Gary Ashenazy's information 🛈 from Primal Trek, Dr. Luke Roberts from the University of California at Santa Barbara, Etc. And there is little to no chance of Wikimedia ever closing down so it would better be hosted here in the interest of preserving knowledge. -- Donald Trung (徵國單)  (討論 🤙🏻) (方孔錢 ☯) 11:23, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
Also I am not arguing that Wikimedia projects should serve as "an internet within the internet" or as "a free hosting/back-up programme" (which are both admittedly already done), but the book still is an important work for the non-Vietnamese and non-French speaking communities interested in Vietnamese cash coins and has great historical and (somewhat outdated) educational value. Currently information on cash coins is already thoroughly collected on Wikipedia, and many images are on Wikimedia Commons (both I have had a hand in), but historical works as this have only served as a reference point while their preservation in their entirety would also be quote useful. -- Donald Trung (徵國單)  (討論 🤙🏻) (方孔錢 ☯) 11:31, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
Very true. Suzukaze-c (talk) 20:52, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

How to delete this page?[edit]

Do not know why but this page Page:Pywikibot_test_page_1/1 cannot be displayed any longer. Any clue how how to delete it? Thanks.— Mpaa (talk) 20:46, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page:Pywikibot_test_page_1/1&action=delete may work. —Justin (koavf)TCM 20:53, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
Not for me.— Mpaa (talk) 20:59, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
Weird. I tried MassDelete and it failed too, "Page:Pywikibot_test_page_1/1: [WiHVmApAEDQAAEv00JIAAAAL] Exception caught: Call to a member function exists() on a non-object (boolean)" —Beleg Tâl (talk) 22:21, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
Contact a dev or something lol, good heavens Suzukaze-c (talk) 03:24, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T181944.— Mpaa (talk) 18:30, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

Works of unknown date[edit]

I'm considering working on this set of pamphlets by Hypatia Bradlaugh Bonner. They're definitely PD, since they were printed by Charles Bradlaugh, who died in 1891, but they are not dated. Context puts them between 1865 and 1891, and IA claims they're from the 1880s. I've searched online and not found any more reliable information. So my question is, how should I present the date on the relevant Wikisource pages? BethNaught (talk) 10:42, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

I'd put c. 1880, but I don't know if that's the best solution. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 00:19, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
As the exact year is not known but the decade is (potentially) known, the obvious solution is to put 1880s. Hrishikes (talk) 00:41, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
FWIW Open Library claims "first published in 1880." 114.73.1.186 03:47, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
That source is unreliable. They site IA and LC Online. LC, on its turn, cites IA and HathiTrust, who give 188? as the date. Hrishikes (talk) 05:02, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
Without any indication of why IA says 1880s, I prefer the c. 1880 suggestion—it preserves the 1880s-ness without mandating it, and falls near the middle of the date range. Thanks to both for your input. BethNaught (talk) 16:58, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

Where can I find a guide[edit]

As I am still bust with translating a very looooong article, and I will want to make two (2) new articles for Dutch Wikipedia before I'm "finished" there I don't plan on being active here very soon (probably only in April or May), so I was just looking for style guides to make templates and such similar to "Art of War (Sun)" but I honestly seem to be lost on how to insert things like chapters and use "Template:DEFAULTSORT" for things like that, when I searched for Wikisource:Books I still couldn't find any guides explain how to make separate pages, should age page be called "a template"? I saw file names like ".dsjv" (I should've drafted this as I can't go to a new tab without this one force-reloading and deleting all my questions, it could've been ".djvi" or something), should I use that for non-imported works too? (as in works without a scan accompanying them) and should the (expired) copyright be noted on each individual page or just "the cover"? -- DonTrung (徵國單)  (討論 🤙🏻) (方孔錢 ☯) 10:33, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

That's a lot of questions. First: Do you have a scan uploaded to Commons from the original article? What you do (and the answer you get) will depend on whether or not you are working from a scanned copy at Commons. --EncycloPetey (talk) 17:06, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
Most unfortunately I do not own a physical copy myself to scan, so I will be working off a web-host. -- DonTrung (徵國單)  (討論 🤙🏻) (方孔錢 ☯) 10:06, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

Please help with creating djvu-file: Bevan (1894) - Willliam Petty[edit]

Can anyone please help me with creating a djvu-file, or explain me how I have to do it….

It is about:

Bevan, Wilson Lloyd (1894) - Sir William Petty: A Study in English Economic Literature. It is published in vol 9 of Publications of the American Economic Association (1894).

It is available on archive.org in five parts:

Al these parts have a jstor-page as the first page.

How can I create one file (with blank pages 6 and 8) from this, which I can upload to commons?

Thanks, --Dick Bos (talk) 14:25, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done And uploaded as File:Sir William Petty - A Study in English Economic Literature - 1894.djvu. I inserted placeholders for pages 6 and 8 from File:Generic placeholder page.djvu.
For future reference, the method is to use the "djvm" tool, with the "-d" option to remove the first pages, then "-i" to insert. If you work from the back, you can keep inserting at page 1 and save yourself the brain ache of working out the page indices:
djvm -d p1-4.djvu 1
djvm -d p5.djvu 1
djvm -d p7.djvu 1
djvm -d p9-12.djvu 1
djvm -d p13-102.djvu 1
cp p13-102.djvu Complete.djvu
djvm -i Complete.djvu p9-12.djvu 1
djvm -i Complete.djvu Placeholder.djvu 1
djvm -i Complete.djvu p7.djvu 1
djvm -i Complete.djvu Placeholder.djvu 1
djvm -i Complete.djvu p5.djvu 1
djvm -i Complete.djvu p1-4.djvu 1
Hope that's useful! Inductiveloadtalk/contribs 17:58, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
Wow! That's not useful.... It's wonderful! Inductiveload, Thank you very much. In the near future I'll try to use the djvm tool (perhaps first on a easier thing)! Thanks again for your quick answer. I'll start working on the text tomorrow. --Dick Bos (talk) 20:09, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
BTW, this all is needed to strip the first Watermark page from files.— Mpaa (talk) 22:40, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

Localising two files[edit]

Hi, I have recently imported some items from the Internet Archive mostly related to Cornwall, @ShakespeareFan00: has been helping me and says that commons:File:Cornwall (Mitton).djvu and commons:File:The Cornwall coast.djvu need to localised on English Wikisource as PD-US (pre 1923) but not PD-UK/PD-70 due to the authors death dates and therefore can't host them on commons. (see commons:User talk:Arthur Kerensa), could you please help me with this? (I asked EncycloPetey first). Arthur Kerenſa 16:41, 11 December 2017 (UTC)