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Timm vogt[edit]

If anyone can help me find anything on Timm Vogt born 1789 in Schleswig-Holstein Germany. He marryed Margaretha Thodt--they both left Germany (Departure was Aug. 31 1856 and Arrival Sept.16 1856 New York.They were Residence of Davenport Iowa on March 3 1858..Timm died Oct. 15 1861----I;m trying to find Timm Vogts parents and noth9ing comes up--and the same on Margaretha Thodt...There childre who were born in Schleswig-Holstein Germany MArie Katharina Vogt 1816-1901--------son John Christan Vogt 1822-1905---Anna Vogt 1829-1887----Magdalena Helena (Lena) Oct 2 1831. Thank you so much---Yvonne Vogt----I hope I can find someone to help me---someone told me about this site and I;m trying so hard to find my family-Thanks again Yvonne72.169.80.133 16:20, 7 June 2016 (UTC)Y

No intention to offend, just clarify. Schleswig-Holstein was Danish until 1864. Perhaps the information should be searched for in Copenhagen. — Ineuw talk 17:17, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

Templatescript gadget OCR cleanup[edit]

Two minor adjustments are needed in the User:Pathoschild/templatescript.js. The script does not eliminate the spaces surrounding hyphens and mdashes. Is this adjustment can be made locally? — Ineuw talk 08:19, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

Umm. Want to try for local MediaWiki:TemplateScript/proofreading.js (see variable pageCleanup: line 198 and following…)? AuFCL (talk) 08:33, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
Thanks, I am already negotiating with Pathoschild to check why my changes are not working.A Smiley.jpgIneuw talk 05:26, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

Moved from Scriptorium and merged with related issues[edit]

Proofread tools gone from edit menu[edit]

Did some change go through in the past half hour?

When editing in the Page namespace, I can no longer access the "Proofread" option, which includes the much needed button to enlarge the source file image. Also, the special characters menu and associated items are all showing up inside the left-hand edit window instead of across the top. --EncycloPetey (talk) 23:14, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

It seems to be back now, but was gone for quite a while. Anyone have a guess why? Or had the same issue? --EncycloPetey (talk) 07:58, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
Nope. Tools are gone again. --EncycloPetey (talk) 08:11, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
The Proofread Tools in my left sidebar weren't working for me for a while this morning. They vanished when I clicked "Show changes" at the bottom of my screen. Then they came back. Weird. Outlier59 (talk) 11:11, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
Gone again. Guess I'll go do something else for awhile. Outlier59 (talk) 11:18, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
Also having page editing problems and posted about it HERE Perhaps if we post the circumstances, this may help to troubleshoot the issue quicker. — Ineuw talk 17:58, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
For bug issues it is probably worth talking about which skin you are using, and which tool bar you are utilising. I see no issues with old toolbar, and in monobook. — billinghurst sDrewth 04:30, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
@Billinghurst: Thanks for the reminder. Unfortunately, changing the skin to monobook, did not change the behaviour. — Ineuw talk 05:16, 25 June 2016 (UTC)

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I use vector and the enhanced toolbar. The problem does not always appear. --EncycloPetey (talk) 04:44, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

Never mind the last update to mediawiki software, the previous release required me to (re)enable option "Show edit toolbar" in Preferences/Editing/Editor to restore proper operation under the Vector skin in Firefox. Thus far I have not observed any of the complaints above (#invoke superstition of choice.) To clarify: I currently have both "Show edit toolbar" and "Enable enhanced editing toolbar" enabled; but "Enable wizards for inserting links, tables as well as the search and replace function" disabled. AuFCL (talk) 04:53, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
Hi! I don't manage to reproduce these issues. Could you please follow the steps described in this procedure and put the result here (or better in the phabricator ticket). Tpt (talk) 09:13, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
The MediaWiki update was on June 21st. I don't think any of us had problems that day. @Ineuw: could your edits in this series -- [1] have anything to do with this? Outlier59 (talk) 12:21, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
The overall proofreading.js module was disconnected/disabled when I made the changes. Also, each of the edits refer to separate modules. More importantly for everyone who has a particular problem, the bug report site wants each issue to be reported separately with pertinent details, OS, browser, etc. — Ineuw talk 15:04, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

Strange happenings when using 'Show preview'[edit]

Whenever I click to preview in edit mode, my layout changes from over/under to side by by side, with the enhanced editing toolbar disappearing. I wonder if this is happening to others as well? — Ineuw talk 05:30, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

Uploaded this image to show what's happening File:Change of edit layout.jpg. — Ineuw talk 05:36, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
I haven't had that particular problem, but was having a similar looking issue today, as described in Wikisource:Scriptorium#‎Proofread tools gone from edit menu. --EncycloPetey (talk) 08:01, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for the link (may I use EP?). I suspected that it may have been caused by a newly activated script, but I was wrong. This happens only after proofreading, and then previewing a page. It seems that it is related to a change on a page. It does not happen if the page is not disturbed. Not that this info helps any of us to resolve the issue. — Ineuw talk 17:53, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
It also happens to me with Show changes after making a change. Normally I have a list of Page tools in my sidebar (Add header, Add footer, Clean up OCR, etc.) when I'm editing page space. That list comes from User:Outlier59/common.js -- which is obviously a javascript file link, but I have no idea what it does or means. I don't know javascript. I was told to add that page soon after I started editing here. In my Preferences (Appearance tab) it applies to all skins I use. It looks like something MediaWiki manages. EncycloPetey has a .css page (no .js page) and Ineuw has a .js page and a .css page. So it doesn't seem like something in our own local settings. The skins are coming from MediaWiki. Should I post a question at mw:Project:Support_Desk? Frankly, I probably wouldn't understand the answer.... Outlier59 (talk) 23:24, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
@Mpaa: Do you have any idea what's causing this problem? Outlier59 (talk) 23:50, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
@Outlier59: It's definitely not local! The periodic changes in the core software and the extensions that support the needs of various wikis, do have hiccups from time to time, and it's not the first or the last time. I do have some familiarity with the process to report the issue, and the more people report problems in this post, the more it helps our javascript deities at Wikimedia. (Tlaloc of the Aztecs excluded). THIS PAGE indicates that there was a new version installed on June 21. — Ineuw talk 23:53, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
OK, I'll try editing again tomorrow. Mpaa, very sorry to bother you needlessly. Outlier59 (talk) 00:22, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

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Hi! I don't manage to reproduce these issues. Could you please follow the steps described in this procedure and put the result here (or better in the phabricator ticket). Tpt (talk) 09:13, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

@Tpt: I updated the bug report with info about the OS and the browsers. A separate report is needed for each issue specifying the OS and the Browser & version. — Ineuw talk 15:58, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
@Outlier59: Just to be helpful. Your installation of the proofreading tool in common.js and your assumption about the tool's main code location are both correct. Currently, the tool doesn't appear in my sidebar either, and common.css has nothing to do with the sidebar tools. — Ineuw talk 16:16, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
It would be important to all who experience problems to specify the OS and the browser + version. In my case all of these problems come from Firefox. I tried the same with Chrome and everything works. If anyone has problems, please list the OS and browser + version here, or create a new bug report if the problem is not the same as task T138554. This bug report was only in relation to page layout changes in Firefox 48.01b and 48.02b. Now, I will have to file another bug report about the missing Pathoschild Page tools. — Ineuw talk 21:27, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

layout change when previewing in Firefox


missing side bar proofreading tools in Firefox.

@Ineuw: I think you're right about this coming from the MediaWiki update. See [2] and [3]. Someone "made some edit stashing changes in the wikitext editor, which does stashing in the middle of editing." That's where we're seeing problems -- in the middle of editing. So it'll probably just sort itself out in a week or so. Outlier59 (talk) 15:53, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

Douay Rheims Bible[edit]

I'd like to revive work on https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Bible_(Douay-Rheims) Firstly, from what I gather, it hasn't been worked on since 2009, but is in some kind of archive state, is that correct?

I want to delete what's there and start again. I have reasons for this, which I can explain.

Also, a project like this, I haven't worked on anything mediawiki ever before, and I need a really simple beginner's guide. "Editing wikisource for dummies", teaching from scratch, no prior knowledge assumed.

It's hard to know where to start. unsigned comment by User:DavidPorter65 (talk) .

Your first stop if you want to learn how to edit Wikisource should be Help:Beginner's guide to Wikisource, and especially if you want to start fresh, Help:Beginner's guide to adding texts.
I'd discourage the idea of "delete what's there and start again". A better way would be to start the proofreading process separately, and if your added version is similar enough to the version we've started on, we can merge them. On the other hand, if you have a good reason to get rid of what we've got so far, we can have a discussion. There are a couple of us (me and User:Outlier59 for example) who are slowly trying to improve WS's Bible translation collection and I'd be happy to hear your rationale and help you out. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 22:35, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
@Beleg Tâl: I'll put some comments on User talk:DavidPorter65. -- Outlier59 (talk) 23:27, 25 June 2016 (UTC)

Inter-wiki help needed[edit]

Hello! I am from ta.wikisource and contributing for the past 6 months. You people having vast experiences and i hope you will guide me. I created nearly 3 lakh index pages with google OCR method.Now iam focusing on proofreading. Forthat, i am asking aa question. How can i move the first line of OCRed text as a Header of a proofread page?--Info-farmer (talk) 17:09, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

Can you identify a particular page that needs to have a header? I looked at several pages of your text, and none of them has content to go into a header. --EncycloPetey (talk) 22:29, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
the page which contains its first line(212 அகத்திணைக் கோள்கைகள்) to be moved as header.(kindly press + at proofread tools)--Info-farmer (talk) 02:09, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
You can enable showing header and footer fields at ta:சிறப்பு:Preferences. Once you have done that, you can add text to the header field. I have already done so at ta:Page:அகத்திணைக் கொள்கைகள்.pdf/230 so that you can see. (You can also wrap the header text with <noinclude>these tags</noinclude> to accomplish the same effect.) —Beleg Tâl (talk) 13:49, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
That page also has footnotes. If you need help with those as well, please ask. --EncycloPetey (talk) 15:42, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
Thanks indeed. Is it possible to do the work (Header and footer) by automation or is there any tools (gadgets) available to do proofreading works? --Info-farmer (talk) 15:58, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
There should be a header and footer field if you edit ta:Index:அகத்திணைக் கொள்கைகள்.pdf; this can auto-populate the headers and footers of pages when you create them. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 16:13, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
I tried at ta:Index:அகத்திணைக் கொள்கைகள்.pdf. But i am unable to understand the method of auto-population. Will you please give a model index page of your book.--Info-farmer (talk) 16:33, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
It auto-populates when a page is created. Unfortunately, it looks like all the pages in this particular index are already created, so it won't work for this one. An example where you can try creating a page to see how it works would be Index:Gilbert Original Plays.djvu. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 16:39, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
I checked with many of our indexes that auto-populate is not working. There are many hurdles like this in our emerging community which can be rectified by you and all. If possible please make screencasts to improve our Indian language wikisource projects. I checked with other Indian language wikisources.Thanks and bye--Info-farmer (talk) 17:15, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

Translated Letters[edit]

I’m working on the Jonathan Swift 19-volume set, which was printed in 1801. The volumes include a number of letters, some of which appear in both the original language (French) and an English version. The editor of the set is identified, as are the several editors who proceeded him. No translator of the letters is identified. Thus, the person who did the translations of the letters could be one of the editors, or someone now unknown. These letters are appearing with a big warning that there may be a copyright violation because the translator isn't identified. I tried adding the translation codes to the letters, but that didn't solve the problem. I tried making the name of the translator "Unknown (translation was completed before 1801)," but all that did was create a new author page for this poor person whose name we do not know. What else can be done to satisfy the copyright monitor? Here is one of the letters, and the following letter shows the violation warning. If you show me what to do with the first letter, I will change them all to comply with the requirements. Thank you! Susanarb (talk) 04:29, 2 July 2016 (UTC)

@Susanarb: This did the trick although it is ugly. Let me search for something a little better... —Justin (koavf)TCM 04:32, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
@Susanarb: Convert those translators to override_translators and we can get rid of those ugly redlinks. Does that help? —Justin (koavf)TCM 04:34, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
Well, I think so - the nasty warning message is gone and there's no more redlink. If there is another preferred method, please let me know, but this will work for now. Thank you! Susanarb (talk) 04:43, 2 July 2016 (UTC)

Section transclusion not working as expected[edit]

Hi, I'm learning how to transclude sections, and I can't see what I'm doing wrong. In accordance with the instructions at Help:Transclusion, I have a section tag at Page:Copley 1844 A History of Slavery and its Abolition 2nd Ed.djvu/30 marking out the start of section III of the book. Then at A History of Slavery and its Abolition/Section 2 I've inserted the tosection="Section III" attribute. Yet on Section 2 I get the whole page transcluded, including the beginning of Section 3. Thanks in advance for any help, MartinPoulter (talk) 19:42, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

The parameter tosection indicates the last section that you want to transclude, not the first section you want to not transclude. The way you have it currently, it will transclude the contents of page 30 up to and including "Section III". Instead, you will want to create a section before that and use that as the tosection. For example, I will usually take the last paragraph of section 2 and call it "Section II end" or something, and then transclude tosection="Section II end". —Beleg Tâl (talk) 20:15, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
Okay, that makes a lot of sense. Thanks a lot. MartinPoulter (talk) 21:14, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

Question about adding a work[edit]

Hi I'd like to ask if it is possible to add this online book to wikisource. The author has added a permissions note which is this. The link to the work is also below.

Permissions Note
Permission to reproduce or copy this book in whole or in part for personal or educational purposes, including book review articles, is hereby given on the condition that (1) this entire Permissions Note be included with the copied text; (2) that the text or diagrams not be altered in any way or added to; and (3) that it be clearly identified as follows: Reproduced from Moses, Paul, and Swedenborg: Three Steps in Rational Spirituality by Leon James, an online textbook published on the Web in 1999 at this address and updated in 2007: https://www.soc.hawaii.edu/leonj/leonj/leonpsy/instructor/gloss/moses.html

The book may be used for educational purposes, but may not be placed in the public domain. Any commercial reproduction, redistribution, publication or other use by electronic means or otherwise, is prohibited without written permission from the author.

Jpez (talk) 05:44, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

No. meta:Resolution:Licensing policy does not allow us to include works that can not be edited or can only be used for limited ("personal or educational", in this case) purposes.--Prosfilaes (talk) 08:23, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

Line of text with two stacked words[edit]

I'm pretty sure there's a template to deal with this situation -- and probably a blurb in some help section somewhere -- but I can't find it.

I'm working on this page: Page:Aircraft Accident Report for 1972 Sacramento Canadair Sabre accident.pdf/26.

This particular page is a government form; 3/4 of the way down the page, there's a section talking about the effective date of the form, and there's two sets of dates in there, stacked vertically. It looks a bit like this:

                                      12:30 9-23-72    15:30 9-23-72
   This certificate is effective from 12:30 9-24-72 to 15:30 9-24-72 inclusive and is subject to cancellation at any time [....]

How do I transcribe these "stacked" values? They're really in-line with the rest of the text, and I'd like to retain that. Technically I could probably do something like 12:30 9-23-72/12:30 9-24-72 but that's not entirely legible and more ambiguous than the original.

Thanks. Mukkakukaku (talk) 13:30, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

It would probably be best to put them in a table. For example, see what I did with this page to get the names stacking appropriately. Simon Burchell (talk) 14:00, 20 July 2016 (UTC)
I kind of tried that, but the values are in the middle of a sentence that is part of a paragraph. The whole thing is a government form. The original read This certificate is effective from ____ to ____ inclusive and is subject to cancellation at any time.... and the person who filled out the form happened to put two dates in each blank. I'm trying to represent this, but it really doesn't lend itself to tables. I tried using CSS to "float" the tables and then decided that there was probably an easier solution that I was overlooking.
I did use tables as you suggested elsewhere in the page, at the "signature" section on the bottom to get the fields to align, but I don't think it'll work for these dates. Thanks, Mukkakukaku (talk) 14:58, 20 July 2016 (UTC)
I think {{Dual line}} is probably the template you're looking for. Alternatively, {{Sfrac nobar}}. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 15:07, 20 July 2016 (UTC)
Yep. {{Dual line}} did the trick! Thanks! Mukkakukaku (talk) 15:15, 20 July 2016 (UTC)