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Images, captions, and the spam filter

Hi. I've been editing on this site only for a couple of months, and have just finished the proofreading of the January 6th Report (https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Index:Final_Report_of_the_Select_Committee_to_Investigate_the_January_6th_Attack_on_the_United_States_Capitol.pdf). That is the index to go to if you want to help me with my questions.

The first one is on pages 550/551, specifically having to do with the hws/hwe template. In this case it is used on a URL transversing the two pages. For some reason, on page 550, only a tiny bit of a link shows up; on page 551, the rest of the link appears as I would think it look. I'm not sure why the entire first part of the URL is not displayed. If someone could point out my mistake, I'd be appreciative.

The other questions I have deal with images. First, the images themselves and secondly, the captions relating to them. Most of the 'Problematic' pages are simply ones with images that I (and apparently, the writer that did the initial work) did not know how to deal with.

The caption question: while I'm certain the caption text must be included, do I do it as just plain text, or do I try to mimic the caption box AND size of the text? When I looked at the first images in the file, I saw that whomever did them simply included the text. After I did that awhile, I began to include the caption text in a grey box. After a few of these, I adjusted the color of box (matching the color with a color picker), and I also decreased the size of the font in the caption. Nevertheless, I've seen that others have used the next size larger font for each of the caption parts (for example, the photo credit - others have used smaller as the font size, but honestly it looks like it should be x-smaller. See page 535 for the way it seems it 'should' be to me). There may be a bot that takes care of all of this and if so, it's all moot and I won't spend another minute on captions. Any sort of general guidance anyone can provide me?

Image questions now. Yes, I've seen the pages talking about how to add images, but it's confusing (especially the copyright aspect), so I just kept going and marking the pages so someone that KNOWS what they're doing can deal with them.

It was my understanding that this report was in the Public Domain as it was released by the government to the people of the US. Now, I get how some of the images (specifically, those marked "Getty Images") are copyright protected and can't be used outside of the original document without permission. But what about images listed as provided by other US government agencies such as the National Archives and Records Administration (see page 468)? Can I use these?

I know the link where the best quality images are (the link is available in some of the -image removed- templates that were done after I proofread them; see page 463), but even if there are images there that ARE available to us to use , I'm not really sure how to go about what seems like a very involved process regarding the publishing of images.

Finally, is there an 'official' ticketing system for admins to take care of issues for editors? The first time the spam filter bit me, I went to the Admin Noticeboard page to request that the offending URL be added to the whitelist so the work could be finished. Within a day or so, it was taken care of. I've run across several pages since with a different spam filter issue, have asked that it be dealt with - but nothing has been done. I even added more to the request later hoping someone would see it - but nothing yet, and that was weeks ago. Waiting for an Admin to 'run across it' doesn't seem the best way to deal with tasks, but what do I know? I'm sure it's my ignorance that has prevented updating of the whitelist.

Sorry for the length of this query - these questions have been rolling around in my head during the weeks I've been working on this. If anybody does decide to help, thank you for your patience. 09:29, 9 March 2023 (UTC) snafu22q (talk) 09:29, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

In answer to the link across two pages: Instead of hws/hwe you need to use lps/lpe. I need to start work, so I'll leave the image questions to others right now. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 16:59, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

It looks like {{lps}}/{{lpe}} were designed for internal links; I've poked around some at OP's referenced pages 550/551 and cannot get them to work with the external URL given. The closest I can get looks pretty good except for (a) the link has brackets around it no matter what I do, and (b) the href in the resultant <a/> has a pipe (|) added to the end (which breaks the link, of course). — Dcsohl (talk)
(contribs) 21:42, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

Table/chart2 issue

I’ve been looking at Page:The Tale of Genji.pdf/19 for a while, and I can’t seem to get the first table to work. The cells don’t work correctly; I’m not sure of the right way to go about fixing it. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 03:44, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

It looks fine to me. What is the issue? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 04:30, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

• Justin (koavf): Could you save a screenshot? The lines don’t connect on my end. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 06:46, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

  Browser: Firefox, OS: Debian, go to imgur[period]com/a/xdRhRtS (I can't link due to the spam filter). —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 06:54, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

  • Justin (koavf): The problem is the lines below “The Emperor” and “Prince Momozono” in the top chart2—they don’t connect with the above cell. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 21:24, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

    I think it's fine: this doesn't need to be a photographic reproduction, just a semantic one. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:28, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

Block within a footnote

Hi, How to have a block inside a footnote? Page:Gandhi - Young India, Viking Press, 1924-1926.pdf/25 and following pages (footnote on 3 pages). Thanks, Yann (talk) 16:55, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

• Yann: Does this solution look good? TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 18:13, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

• Yes, great! Thanks a lot! Yann (talk) 18:59, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Bad Index link

Re: the index at Index:The Bible, It's True Character and Spiritual Meaning.djvu. When working on any page within this index, the UP ARROW link (to go back to the index) does NOT point back to the index. The UP ARROW should point to https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Index:The_Bible,_It%27s_True_Character_and_Spiritual_Meaning.djvu but instead points to https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Index:The_Bible-_Its_True_Character_and_Spiritual_Meaning.djvu . I don't believe I have the rights to make this change, or I would. Thank you. snafu22q (talk) 09:12, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Since the title of the work doesn't contain an apostrophe, it might be simpler to get the index renamed. — Dcsohl (talk)
(contribs) 18:48, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Yes, and I assumed as a volunteer, I wouldn't have rights to do that. However, I'm not sure how to make that happen. Is there an admin form I fill out and submit? I've left notes on their noticeboard and frankly, most have been ignored (or overlooked, I suppose). BTW, there's an additional difference in the links ... immediately after 'Bible', one link has a comma, the other a dash.

Thanks for your response. snafu22q (talk) 21:26, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Done, see Index:The Bible- Its True Character and Spiritual Meaning.djvu. Mpaa (talk) 21:55, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

thank you snafu22q (talk) 00:55, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Index:An introduction to Indonesian linguistics, being four essays; Renward Brandstetter; 1916; London, Royal Asiatic Society.djvu

This isn't an Index, but there are Page linked to it. Can someone please relocate the pages so the naming is consistent? Thanks. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 08:35, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

I thin this is OK now, I moved the file at Commons. Mpaa (talk) 20:51, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Next push on "Structural" LintErrors"

I've been slowly trying to resolve 'content-space' LintErrors..

Would some interested contributors with a few moments please consider look into these Pages linked in a report Below? with unpaired DIV (tags) which are most likely to be from unpaired template usage.

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Special:LintErrors/missing-end-tag?namespace=104&titlecategorysearch=&exactmatch=1&tag=div&template=all

After these are resolved the majority of the remaining 'missing' tags in content namespace are essentially cosmetic formatting (such as unpaired formatting tags for bold, italic and underline.) which whilst nice to remove, are not necessarily that high priority. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 16:49, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Easy question about priorities

What is more important to Wikisource - that material look as closely as possible to the original source, or bringing technology to old works?

I've been working on this Index:Swedenborg's Doctrine of Correspondence.djvu. Footnotes are fairly sparse, and are referenced with an asterisk or other such symbol. I've been leaving the text as is and placing the footnote in the footer as seen on page 85 of the index—I understood we were to keep the text as close to the source as possible. However, another contributor working elsewhere in the index has used the <ref> tags to mark pages with footnotes, making a clickable superscript where the asterisk existed (see page 86 of the same index).

Either is fine as far as I am concerned, but I just need to know what the powers-that-be at Wikisource want. I don't want to leave problems for others to clean up. Thank you for your time. snafu22q (talk) 07:29, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

@Snafu22q: We try to find a pragmatic balance. Reproduce the work as originally published, but when the effort required to do so starts to grow too much then find a pragmatic solution. Over the years we have found some particular pain points around hard limitations placed by the software (and other limiting factors). Footnotes is one such: we use the built-in ref tags and do not attempt to reproduce the original footnote markers. The reasoning behind it is a bit longer, but that's the net effect. Xover (talk) 09:13, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

thank you, that's what i needed to know; i'll fix what i screwed up snafu22q (talk) 09:38, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

@Snafu22q: Help:footnotes and endnotes as your guide. Symbols do not work as our transclusion process converts footnotes per page to endnotes per transcluded subpage. — billinghurst sDrewth 11:16, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Score transclusion (+image)

(After seeing Jan.Kamenicek with an IP from Wikipedia,) I grabbed a copy (here) of the score (the front-page image is still needed) which is otherwise ready for transclusion. Can someone with more knowledge of score figure it out, please? I don’t know the practice for multi-page score items such as this. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 19:49, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Tables and TOC templates

I'm having trouble figuring out how to use both a TOC and a table to format a specific cast list as this page. Though I'm sure it's possible, I don't know how to get the TOC dot to be compatible in the way it needs to be on that page. Also, this page has the same issue, but the table format is the one I went with on that one.

Thank you,
Packer1028 (talk) 07:34, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Don't bother reproducing the dots and stick with using a table. We're not aiming to make exact reproductions of page layouts and thus dots are not needed in the mainspace for most TOCs and even less so for cast lists. It makes things simpler and frankly gives a more elegant look when reading on smaller screens. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 10:19, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

@Packer1028: I have tried to improved the dashed lines in the second linked page like this. If you do not like it, feel free to revert it.

As for the first linked page, I am afraid that some features of tables, such as braces going through several rows, cannot be satisfactorily solved using the TOC row templates The dots can be improved using the {{TOC row dotragged}} template. However, I would try to format it as a common table instead. --Jan Kameníček (talk) 12:15, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

• Packer1028: Sorry for all the pings. I tried recreating in mixed table/dtpl form, if it looks good to you. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 15:45, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

  Thank you all for your help! They both look great, and I'm happy to have the page as reference in case future need arises! Packer1028 (talk) 19:50, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Lua runs out of memory - Why?

Executive Order on Establishing the COVID-19 Pandemic Testing Board and Ensuring a Sustainable Public Health Workforce for COVID-19 and Other Biological Threats -

Why is this running out of memory? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 19:53, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

I don't know why, this error comes from the {{anchor}} template. Yann (talk) 20:14, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

I reverted {{anchor}} back to the pre LUA version and Lua still ran out of memory. Further diagnosis needed. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 20:24, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

{{ordered list}} might be another culprit. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 20:31, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Also Module:Anchor should not be doing anything demanding, other than taking arguments and making a list, so I fail to see why it's causing the out of memory issue.ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 20:47, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Match and split: file not found?

Hi, While trying to do a "match and split" on Clerambault, I get a message "djvu not found", although it exists very well here: Index:Rolland - Clerambault, tr. Miller, 1921.djvu. Any idea? Yann (talk) 10:34, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

@Yann: You were referring to the PDF redirect rather than the DjVu. It should be ready to split now. Xover (talk) 13:41, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Law decree move to Wikisource

Hi Folks!! I'm new to wikisource. There has been a discussion at w:en:Talk:Second law on the status of Jews on en WP about moving the the text of a decree into wikisource. It is a translation of a french law decree. It been checked by three native French speakers as being a correct translation. There is the original French decree on Wikisource already. I not sure how that would be linked in. Is that decree in the Englishing language suitable for Wikisource. Thanks.Scope creep (talk) 19:06, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Just to be clear, SC, when you mean that you're not sure how they would be linked, I think the solution is that you would connect them via a Wikidata item. Also, I amended your link so that it points to en.wp. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:31, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Yes, it can be hosted here as a user translation in the Translation: namespace. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 01:57, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

The article text which a decree, has some wplinks on it. Would they come across as well and would they converted in some way or they need removed? Scope creep (talk) 10:35, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Book download links not working

I've tried to download several Wikisource texts (e.g. la:Amores and The Tempest (unsourced)) today in PDF or EPUB form using the links on their pages (e.g. https://ws-export.wmcloud.org/?lang=la&format=epub&page=Amores), and always gotten the same result: the page keeps apparently loading for several minutes (though my computer's Task Manager shows no consistent transfer of data happening) before finally displaying a "504 Gateway Time-out" error. Since I got the same result from several computers, and in both Firefox and Microsoft Edge, this seems likely to be a problem with your site. - LaetusStudiis (talk) 21:05, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Going to https://ws-export.wmcloud.org/ and entering the title and language does work, but the chapter titles are missing from the resulting file. - LaetusStudiis (talk) 22:29, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

The download links work today, so whatever the problem was appears to have been fixed. - LaetusStudiis (talk) 03:05, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

page list for: Bulandshahr: Or, Sketches of an Indian District: Social, Historical and Architectural

Just found that I did not name the index page properly. Name should be: Index:Bulandshahr: Or, Sketches of an Indian District: Social, Historical and Architectural.djvu. instead of Index:Bulandshahrorsk00growgoog.djvu. Stamlou (talk) 11:51, 28 March 2023 (UTC)