# Wikisource:Scriptorium/Help

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## Commons djvu and Source pdf

Niger Delta Ecosystems- the ERA Handbook, 1998 Uploaded this as pdf but realised issues, so then uploaded as djvu file. Made index page but can't get it to refer to djvu, only pdf. However, the djvu file is still extant on Commons. Can anyone help this beginner? Susi Susi Arnott (talk) 11:47, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

Looking for this Index:Niger Delta Ecosystems- the ERA Handbook, 1998.pdf? which I'd done a first pass OCR trabscribe on. Can't garuntee all the scan/typing errors removed though. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 11:50, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for replying; but my question was about what to do next. Presumably stick with the pdf, even though images are missing? And a beginner's guide or glossary of 'proofreading' would be great. (What the different commands mean, etc.) What happens if I've tagged a page as being 'proofread' and there are still problems? Thanks for your patience!

Done -- Index:Niger Delta Ecosystems- the ERA Handbook, 1998.djvu. Hrishikes (talk) 16:01, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

Thanks again! Presumably I should now go ahead and start proofreading the djvu file - but what does this box mean: The text of this work needs to be migrated to Index:Niger Delta Ecosystems- the ERA Handbook, 1998.djvu Happy to put the hours in (Sunday is for Wiki now!), but would love to start from the right place :) Thanks everyoneSusi Arnott (talk) 16:45, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

You'll notice that the transcription User:ShakespeareFan00 performed applied to the pages linked to the PDF version of this book, as in Page:Niger Delta Ecosystems- the ERA Handbook, 1998.pdf/3 (note the "pdf" in the title). Since the DjVu version does not have this transcribed text (i.e. Page:Niger Delta Ecosystems- the ERA Handbook, 1998.djvu/3 does not yet exist), the text will need to be moved from the PDF's pages to the DjVu's pages. Mahir256 (talk) 17:05, 3 August 2017 (UTC)
Donebillinghurst sDrewth 22:16, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

Thanks everyone. Could somebody post a link to the page I should start from? Don't want to be an idiot and muddle anything up, but planning to spend much of Sunday on this (learning as I go).Susi Arnott (talk) 08:23, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

Index:Niger Delta Ecosystems- the ERA Handbook, 1998.djvu is the index page. Susi Arnott is the generated file coming from a document that has been directly transformed, or has it been scanned to generate this version? If the former, then obviously not words to check, and it is formatting, and, if any, images to reproduce. — billinghurst sDrewth 08:56, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

The original file was a pdf with several illustrations - took advice to convert online into a djvu fileSusi Arnott (talk) 11:15, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

It's a small thing but the table of contents should probably use {{Dotted TOC page listing}} to render the dots. —Justin (koavf)TCM 15:47, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

## 'non-free text'; plus validation

First proofreading nearly completed, with this exception - https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Niger_Delta_Ecosystems-_the_ERA_Handbook,_1998.djvu/239 The author was directly quoting a public policy statement by Shell, that has been excluded as 'non-free text'. Certainly it was not his own work! And the book still works without it - but it was written by them as a public statement, and is part of the original published document. What would you experienced people advise? Need to go ahead and publish on Wikisource before too long, as I'm beginning to realise how much else there is to do with respect to actual Wikipedia articles etc. (Plus photographs of research trip, and poems by now-deceased Nigerian co-author, deserving their own 'source' documents.)Susi Arnott (talk) 10:55, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

Your proofreading is not as per scan. For example, on page 2 (title page) of the scan, you have added an image not present on the scan, the title of the work is also not as per scan. Hrishikes (talk) 14:18, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
Thanks, I've tried to explain this by pages. The original work was published separately in Nigeria and in UK, with different covers and titles and tiny print runs. The main author asked me to resolve the name issue for this online version. The pdf-turned-djvu scan was a bit muddled and the copyright creative commons work needed to go somewhere too, so it seemed most effective to have one 'front page'. Susi Arnott (talk) 14:56, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
I can see why you want to do that, but the online copy should duplicate the print copy. The pages can't be validated unless they match.
To answer your question about the Shell policy: if the Shell policy is public domain or creative commons licensed by the original author(s), then you can include it. If not, then the {{text removed}} notice is exactly the correct approach. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 03:04, 21 August 2017 (UTC)
Thank you so much; this community is marvellous. Let me take the two 'front pages' from the poorly chosen original pdf, back to their scanned versions. The differences from any of the various printed copies mustn't get in the way of getting the contents online.

As for the Shell policy statement; can't find an original but also can't imagine it being 'copyrighted' by them??? Let me keep pushing the main author for his source, and let's see. There seems to be more work even once the upload is 'validated'. So much to learn!Susi Arnott (talk) 08:44, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

One last query - I assume the upload title 'Niger Delta Ecosystems - the ERA Handbook, 1998' can still stand, even if the 'printed' title on both 'front matter' pages of the uploaded scan is 'The ERA Handbook to the Niger Delta (Human Ecosystems of the Niger Delta). Or would you advise starting all over again?Susi Arnott (talk) 08:44, 21 August 2017 (UTC)
The upload title is fine. (Also: it's easier to move an upload with a bad title than to start over!). The Shell policy is almost certainly copyrighted unless you have a good reason to believe otherwise. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 12:01, 21 August 2017 (UTC)
Thanks again. I've validated :)
As for the Shell policy statement, I've asked for comments on the DearRich intellectual property blog too. It was stated in full in order to juxtapose with evidence from research on the ground; like a 'critique' of a novel!?!? But hey, if we can't resolve this in the next day or so it would be best to publish online omitting that text. (To be honest, if I worked for Shell I might fear that looked even worse! But the point is to be factual, not biased.)Susi Arnott (talk) 14:53, 21 August 2017 (UTC)
The rest of the text can be published online omitting the text and then we can add the Shell policy afterwards. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 15:23, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

## Index:Mexico (1829) Volumes 1 and 2.djvu duplicate

Index:Mexico (1829) Volumes 1 and 2.djvu is an 1829 edition of the previous 1828 edition Index:Mexico_in_1827_Vol_1.djvu. The difference being both volumes are in one book and the titles are somewhat different, but it is the same publisher. Should this be deleted? — Ineuw talk 18:51, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

There is no need to delete, as we do accept different editions of the same work. However, there often is less incentive to complete a second copy of the same work, unless it has significant differences. --EncycloPetey (talk) 19:51, 21 August 2017 (UTC)
Thanks. — Ineuw talk 22:55, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

## John Hopkins University

Right now there are 16 entries in Wikisource with "John Hopkins University" (as opposed to "Johns Hopkins University") where can I find guidance as to when to correct them, when to put (sic) and when to leave them alone?Naraht (talk) 13:48, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

Correct them only if the local Wikisource copy differs from the original publication as it was printed. That is, if the original printed text had "Johns" but we have "John", then it should certainly be corrected. You must compare against an original printed copy (or scan of such a copy) to do this.
Never insert a visible sic, but use {{SIC}} when the original publication had the misspelling. You can find documentation with that template.. The goal at Wikisource is to present publications as close to the original as is possible. --EncycloPetey (talk) 13:53, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
On Wikisource we endeavour to copy source texts faithfully, and that means preserving typos. If the spelling "John Hopkins University" is used in a hosted work and the original source also spelled it that way, you can choose to either leave it alone or use the template {{SIC}} to mark it. If the spelling is used in a user-created work, such as a Portal or a user translation, you can correct it. Note: if the spelling "John Hopkins" is used in an original source, but the Wikisource copy says "Johns Hopkins", the Wikisource copy needs to be fixed to also spell it as "John Hopkins". —Beleg Tâl (talk) 13:55, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
Thank you *very* much. I have two more minor questions.
1. In the case of "John Hopkins University" should the {{SIC}} go after the John or after University?
2. Is there any way that I can mark something in a way that would keep me from finding it again? For example (and probably a bad idea, putting an empty <!-- --> in between the p and the k in Hopkins which (might?) cause it not to be found by a search).
I did have a few where they were in author templates, those seem to be ones which should be corrected.Naraht (talk) 18:27, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
1. You do it like this: {{SIC|John Hopkins University|Johns Hopkins University}} -> John Hopkins University.
2. There isn't really a way to make it no longer searchable; besides, we do want people to be able to find the text when they search for it even if the text is spelled wrong.
Beleg Tâl (talk) 19:06, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

## We all need validation

Niger Delta Ecosystems book is nearly there; https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Niger_Delta_Ecosystems-_the_ERA_Handbook,_1998.djvu/189 Is there an at-a-glance way to see which pages I can validate, and which I've proofread myself and must now leave for others to validate?Susi Arnott (talk) 17:38, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

Go to Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets, under "Development (in beta)", and enable the gadget "Pages I can validate", and save. It will put borders on all the page links on Index:Niger Delta Ecosystems- the ERA Handbook, 1998.djvu and other Index pages: Red = page can be proofread, green = nothing to do, orange = checking in progress. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 17:53, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
Brilliant, thank you!Susi Arnott (talk) 18:09, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

Sadly I can't make this work, even following advice to 'purge'. Help with validation all the more welcome.Susi Arnott (talk) 11:27, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

Check on another Index page; it may be that nothing's showing up because there's nothing that you can do on that one. If that's not working, and purging pages and purging your local browser cache isn't working, you could try opening up the javascript console in your browser (by pressing F12 usually) and seeing if there's any errors displayed there. I'd love to get that gadget working properly ( says there are some errors as well). Sam Wilson 23:17, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
it must be a local issue, as I have checked at plWS and Beau's gadget still works there. I will see if I can see any obvious issues over the weekend, it may be we have a competing gadget in play. — billinghurst sDrewth 06:44, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
it works for me, and has done for years. Let me know if you want a hand debugging. I reckon we could build it into the proofreadpage extension instead, if we had a mind to. Sam Wilson 06:54, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
Works for me today too. Probably caught up with our gadget issues when we had mw.util issues and things loading in the wrong order. <shrug> — billinghurst sDrewth 12:22, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
If it is a recent work where edits are recent, poke your nose into the related changes link in the left sidebar. There you will see what has been edited in the last thirty days with summary, and you should be able to pick what isn't yours among other editors. — billinghurst sDrewth 06:32, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

This addition under the Index page 'discussion' tab did work - :The link above purges this Index talk page. To purge the Index page, the link is https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Index:Niger_Delta_Ecosystems-_the_ERA_Handbook,_1998.djvu&action=purge To make it even easier, you can enable the "Clock and Purge" gadget under Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets in the "Interface" section, This will add a link in the top right corner that will purge whatever page you're on when you click on it. (It also displays the time in UTC). —Beleg Tâl (talk)Susi Arnott (talk) 09:15, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

Sorry about pasting the link for the Index talk page - that wasn't very bright of me! I was trying to avoid triggering a purge on the Index page myself. There is an open Phabricator issue for this: T114318. Inductiveloadtalk/contribs 12:07, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
Great that's resolved. Back to the validation issue! Collective work to get the book this far, but I can't validate any more pages myself. Can the community help?Susi Arnott (talk) 09:12, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

## Using custom OCR

If I want to use my own OCR, what is the best way to bulk upload text? unsigned comment by Dewwyd (talk) 05:43, 24 August 2017‎ (UTC). Dewwyd (talk) 06:42, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

The best way is to upload the book and then use this application. You will need Linux OS. For demo, see this video, after enabling subtitles. Hrishikes (talk) 06:10, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
But it looks like this forces me to use Google's OCR. I have my own. Do you know if/how I need to make a new BOT account? Dewwyd (talk) 06:42, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
@Dewwyd: Please sign your post by typing ~ 4 times. For bot approval, apply here. Hrishikes (talk) 06:35, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
The documentation is terrible. I keep going in circles looking for how to make a bot account. Dewwyd (talk) 10:38, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
Why would you need a Bot for OCR? As an alternative, every uploaded file get OCRed by https://tools.wmflabs.org/phetools/hocr_cgi.py?cmd=status&filter=all and then, the text is available on request via 'OCR' icon in Page ns.— Mpaa (talk) 19:21, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
An generic automatic OCR will just produce trash on Fraktur or old-school blackletter, or many weird fonts, whereas there's commercial OCR for Fraktur and font training features on many OCRs.--Prosfilaes (talk) 03:42, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
I'm a novice myself, and can't answer, but wondering in what form your original text now exists? Loose printed pages, a bound book; size, number of pages, colour or B&W, in what physical condition, etc. Susi Arnott (talk) 11:25, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

## Is it possible to OCR books with multiple languages

The Aramaic/English dictionary fails badly with the Hebrew fonts. I see Hebrew books can be successfully OCRed at the Hebrew version of Wikisource. Is there a way to OCR multiple fonts/languages in the same book? unsigned comment by Dewwyd (talk) 05:50, 24 August 2017 (UTC).

Yes it is possible. Click the Google OCR button. If it does not give the desired result, save the page image and upload to Google Drive, then open with Google Docs. Hrishikes (talk) 06:07, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
@Dewwyd: If you don't have the Google-coloured OCR button, add the following line to your common.js page:
```mw.loader.load('//wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:GoogleOCR.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript');
```
(This isn't available as a gadget on English Wikisource.) Sam Wilson 06:23, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
Thank you. What is the difference between the colored OCR and the black one I see now?
Different OCR engine. The black one uses WMF-hosted Tesseract, the Googley one uses Google-hosted Cloud Vision API. The latter has limits on the number of images we can run through it in a month (but we're yet to be told off for doing too many). Sam Wilson 07:17, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

## Using dropinitial with center block

I am a little frustrated to find that when using dropinitial decorated capitals in poetry, center block does not work properly. Lines are split prematurely and, for some reason, the right hand side of the page is never reached. I am therefore forced to leave the text left-justified and inset each and every line using 'gap', and this can go on for pages! The first example of this can be found on page: Landon in Fisher's Drawing Room Scrap Book 1833.pdf/4 and there are several other similar entries in that same volume. Esme Shepherd (talk) 14:57, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
I've encountered this problem also. (A better example of the behaviour is the second line of Page:Songs of a Savoyard.djvu/61.) This is actually normal CSS behaviour: the width of the centered block of text is based on the text itself, and because the dropinitial is floated it is not included in the width calculation.
I don't know of any "nice" way to circumvent this. I usually just let the lines wrap at the end. One could manually set the width of the centered block (({{center block/s|style=width:500px;}}), which is far nicer than manually insetting each line as you have done—but it is essentially a hack and isn't guaranteed to work everywhere, so I don't think it's any better than letting the lines wrap. I'd be interested to see what other editors have to say about it. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 15:56, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
Removed the {{Gap}} business. It looked like a bit of nuisance. Beleg Tâl's hack is appropriate in this case; poetry looks good if centered as a block. Please check (revert if you don't like). Hrishikes (talk) 16:16, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for all your help. Using (Left margin) is a great help. With such a large drop capital - 12 lines in length, word wrap is too messy and doesn't match the ornament, so I've edited to make the block width wider and this looks fine. I'm happy now I have the poetry centered and I'll modify the other poems along the same lines. Esme Shepherd (talk) 20:34, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
Just a note that {{center block}} and {{block center}} are different. If one doesn't work, try the other. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 20:44, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
I've figured out a better way to handle this: see User:Beleg Tâl/Sandbox#FQM+Dropinitial. Perfectly centered, proper CSS, the only downside is if the number of lines shifted by the dropinitial varies. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 13:52, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

## Table help request

Easy for some, not for me. Any assistance appreciated with table on this page. Thank you! Londonjackbooks (talk) 15:27, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

Done , much easier without tables imho —Beleg Tâl (talk) 15:31, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
Thank you very much! I am no fan of tables, and less so of ToC's. Londonjackbooks (talk) 16:33, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
(or anyone) Would you mind checking to see why "Poems of Nature" on this ToC page does not appear in the Main? Thanks, Londonjackbooks (talk) 16:44, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
Done -- matter of nop. Hrishikes (talk) 16:58, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
Appreciated :) Londonjackbooks (talk) 17:12, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

How can I force a space in a math formula between two elements. The space is required between the "5" and the "(".

${\displaystyle 1.75(10)^{-13}}$.

In the following example I separated them by using two sets of [itex][/itex] tags and "&nbsp&nbsp" between, which is amateurish. — Ineuw talk 23:51, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

${\displaystyle 1.75}$  ${\displaystyle (10)^{-13}}$

From Help:Fractions and functions (spacing) Londonjackbooks (talk) 23:59, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

```[itex]1.75\ (10)^{-13}[/itex]
```

${\displaystyle 1.75\ (10)^{-13}}$.

Much thanks Londonjackbooks. — Ineuw talk 16:29, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

## Undisplayed images

Sometime on 29th August, some of the images in Category: Fisher's drawing room scrap book Plates ceased to be displayed in the Media section, only a ? remains apart from 1832-44-Delhi.png, which has the file name included on the display. All these images do appear when clicked to view. At first they were not displayed where used on pages but this has corrected itself. The error appears to be entirely random and the images that are affected are:

File:1832-10-Palace of the Seven Stories, Beejapore.png
File:1832-18-Hurdwar, A Place of Hindoo Pilgrimage.png
File:1832-25-Grass Rope Bridge at Teree, Gurwall.png
File:1832-44-Delhi.png
File:1832-7-Pile of Fouldrey Castle.png
File:1833-26-Assar Mahal, Beejapore.png
File:1833-34-The Rt. Honble. John George Lambton Baron Durham.png
File:1833-36-Tomb of Humaioon, Delhi.png
File:1833-44-Sir Walter Scott Bart.png
File:1833-51-Interior of the Church of the Carmellite Friary.png
File:1833-55-Cuthbert Collingwood. Baron Collingwood.png
File:1833-7-Interior of the Collegiate Church, Manchester.png
File:1833-8-Tintagel Castle, Cornwall.png

Thirteen in all. Yesterday there were fifteen, so maybe they are correcting themselves also? Any thought s on that? Esme Shepherd (talk) 12:13, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

All the images are visible to me on opening c:Category:Fisher's drawing room scrap book Plates. Sometimes all images may not load when your internet speed is very slow. Hrishikes (talk) 12:28, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for looking. Glad all is well at your end. Don't think it's the internet speed, which seems okay, and anyway only specific images have been targeted. I will continue to monitor the situation and see if it goes away. Successfully uploaded four more images today - there will be over 250 if I complete the whole project. Esme Shepherd (talk) 15:01, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
Only the first five today - still improving! Esme Shepherd (talk) 08:38, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

## Match

Hi. How can I write a wikilink to Wikisource page with match parameter? Thank you. IKhitron (talk) 14:39, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

@IKhitron: Could you explain a bit more about what you're trying to do? What is the 'match parameter'? —Sam Wilson 01:29, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
I want to connect to wikisource double language page using double brackets. Match is wikisource that matchs two languages. For example, https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Works_of_Martin_Luther,_with_introductions_and_notes,_Volume_1/Disputation_on_Indulgences can be written as Works of Martin Luther, with introductions and notes, Volume 1/Disputation on Indulgences, but I don't know how to write https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Works_of_Martin_Luther,_with_introductions_and_notes,_Volume_1/Disputation_on_Indulgences?match=fr. IKhitron (talk) 08:37, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
@IKhitron: I think you just have to construct the link manually (as an 'external' link, using single square brackets). For the URL you could use a magic word, and if you don't want it to display the little icon of externality, you can wrap it in 'plainlinks'. For example: `<span class="plainlinks">[{{fullurl:Works_of_Martin_Luther,_with_introductions_and_notes,_Volume_1/Disputation_on_Indulgences|match=fr}} Link text]</span>` gives: Link text. Sam Wilson 01:00, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
For more information see mul:Wikisource:DoubleWiki Extension and mw:Extension:DoubleWiki. — billinghurst sDrewth 06:17, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
Thank you, user:samwilson and user:billinghurst. I know this, of course, but it's not what I need. It should be real internal link, if it's possible at all. IKhitron (talk) 10:23, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
@IKhitron: What's your use case? The main difference with an internal link is that there would be an actual record of the link existing and so features such as backlinks would work. With a link like `?match=fr` this isn't possible, and so there isn't any way to make this an internal link. Sam Wilson 11:08, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
SQL database on external links. IKhitron (talk) 12:26, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

I want to add here a particular book available at https://books.google.com/books?id=ONGjmAEACAAJ and http://www.southasiaarchive.com/Content/sarf.142112/207531 but I don't have download access. Can anybody help? Hrishikes (talk) 15:39, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

## Fragments of Ancient Poetry

Hello. Before adding this work to New Texts, I would like to ask if its transclusion looks acceptable and what, if anything, can be done to improve it (aesthetically). E.g., there should probably be a larger space between the Title page and the Preface, right? (I tried {{nop}}, but it doesn't seem to do the trick.) Thanks in advance for any feedback. ~ DanielTom (talk) 19:22, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

If you leave two blank line spaces before the nop, it will do the trick. Also, you may wish to incorporate "Lucan." into the block center template. Perhaps like:

Vos quoque qui fortes animas, belloque peremptas﻿
Laudibus in longum vates dimittitis ævum,
Plurima securi fudistis carmina Bardi.

```{{Block center|{{smaller block|''Vos quoque qui fortes animas, belloque peremptas''{{gap}}<br />
''Laudibus in longum vates dimittitis ævum,''<br />
''Plurima securi fudistis carmina'' Bardi.}}
{{right|{{smaller|{{sc|[[Author:Marcus Annaeus Lucanus|Lucan]].}}}}}}}}
```

Londonjackbooks (talk) 19:38, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

Also, to create space between letters, you can use the {{sp}} template. Better than breaking up searchable text. Londonjackbooks (talk) 19:43, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
Cool. Thanks Londonjackbooks! ~ DanielTom (talk) 20:05, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
Just out of curiosity (upon looking at the Lucan quotation again): is there a way (some template?) for us to provide (public domain) translations of occasional non-English quotations? While that goes beyond the duty of the faithful transcriber, I sometimes worry that most readers simply won't be able to understand such quotations without translation. ~ DanielTom (talk) 20:37, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
I don't think it need be a point of worry. The curious and inquiring will dig deeper for answers. I have trouble understanding some English language poetry :) My opinion is that unless one links to another Wikisource-hosted work, we should let it be and leave it to the reader to seek things out. Londonjackbooks (talk) 20:52, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
An option would be to provide a translation on the Mainspace Talk page. But definitely provide a source for the translation. Londonjackbooks (talk) 21:04, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
Alternatively, you can use {{User annotation}} to put a translation in the footnote. Hrishikes (talk) 03:04, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
Okay, thank you both. ~ DanielTom (talk) 08:05, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
Keep in mind that if you add User annotations to a work, you should consider the proposed guidelines at Wikisource:Annotations giving special note to the requirements section. Londonjackbooks (talk) 11:35, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
Yes, I see. (I don't plan on using it.) ~ DanielTom (talk) 11:49, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

## Working out versions

Had I performed operations correctly, this would have been easier; however, I am seeking advice on how to best work out the following:

I created The world is too much with us; late and soon from an indexed source.

Already created was a Bartleby/Gutenberg unindexed version: The World Is Too Much With Us with several pages/redirects linking to it.

Do I create a versions page to include the Gutenberg &c. version? If so, do I move the Gutenberg version to "The World Is Too Much With Us (Gutenberg)"? using "The World Is Too Much With Us" as the versions page title? or do I (ugh) overwrite the Gutenberg version as a redirect? Londonjackbooks (talk) 14:15, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

I would say move the Gutenberg version, leaving a redirect, then turn that redirect into the version page. That way, all the incoming links go to the versions page about the work. --EncycloPetey (talk) 15:57, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
Thank you. Londonjackbooks (talk) 18:01, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

## Page status radio buttons suddenly disappeared in edit view

Completed proofreading a page and wanted to set its status to /*Proofread*/ but the Page status radio buttons disappeared (as in do not exist) in the edit view. — Ineuw talk 19:01, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

They've disappeared for me as well. No option to set the proofreading level. --EncycloPetey (talk) 19:12, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
Same. Londonjackbooks (talk) 19:12, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
Me too. BethNaught (talk) 19:20, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
And me, at least I'm not alone. Esme Shepherd (talk) 20:10, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
I just submitted this problem to Phabricator since it appears to be global (also in the French Wikisource). Seudo (talk) 20:18, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
Curious; in the meantime, is there a way to add text (instructions) to the url line when in edit mode that would instruct it to be marked as proofread once "Publish changes" is pressed? Londonjackbooks (talk) 22:16, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
The only thing that one can do is identify such pages in the summary like "Proofread" and then come back later and change them when the controls are working. — Ineuw talk 23:29, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

I was able to upgrade a page to /*Proofread*/ by opening the page in AWB. In theory, if an editor could generate a list of pages needing such an upgrade, anyone with AWB access could run through the list and save the upgrades. BD2412 T 02:31, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

Problem with that is that AWB saving requires you to save with your own name, so the proofreader recorded is not the proofreader. That then means that someone can validate their own work. — billinghurst sDrewth 02:52, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
It also means that anyone marking other editors' pages as Proofread would then be unable to Validate them later. --EncycloPetey (talk) 04:04, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
I had some thoughts to resolve those issues, but they are moot now. BD2412 T 00:08, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
It could be related to this commit from the other day. I'm having more of a look now. Sam Wilson 05:23, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
A fix is in the works, thanks to legoktm. Sam Wilson 06:07, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
Same problem on nl-wikisource! --Dick Bos (talk) 08:18, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
OK, bug fixed. Yann (talk) 10:42, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
Just confirmed, validation is possible again! Mudbringer (talk) 10:47, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

Moot question now, but had we placed /* Proofread */ in the edit summary before publishing changes, would that have advanced the page to proofread? I do not know how these things work, but am curious nevertheless. Londonjackbooks (talk) 22:28, 8 September 2017 (UTC) Londonjackbooks (talk) 23:41, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

@Yann (and others?) Thanks a lot for quickly solving this problem! --Dick Bos (talk) 09:22, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

Page:Handbook_of_the_Swatow_vernacular.djvu/15 omits Lesson V and does not note the Preface that comes before it. What do I do when transcluding it? Suzukaze-c (talk) 04:27, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

The preface can be included on the work's primary page, if you like. As for missing items in the Contents, they can be set inside <includeonly> so that the information shows up when transcluded, but not when proofreading the page. It's not an ideal solution, but for something like a table of contents, the only alternative would be to create a separate ToC and not transclude the original, which is even less satisfactory. I've set up Lesson V in the ToC, though the title for the lesson might need to be changed. --EncycloPetey (talk) 04:40, 10 September 2017 (UTC)
That makes sense, thank you! Suzukaze-c (talk) 04:46, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

Can anybody help in getting the book from https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100323430 ? It is U.S. access only. Hrishikes (talk) 13:57, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

I'm downloading it. Do you want it uploaded to here? Is it suitable for Commons? (Hathitrust doesn't have death years for most of the authors.)--Prosfilaes (talk) 00:52, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
Thanks. Already added by @Mahir256:. Hrishikes (talk) 01:51, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

I'm working on adding this The Basic English Bible without a scan, but it exists here hathitrust and her google books maybe it can be added in the same way? I don't have access to it as above. It is not copyright protected because it was published without a copyright notice. It would be nice to have a scan. Jpez (talk) 06:44, 18 September 2017 (UTC)