User:BD2412/Archive 001

vauge PD release on copyvio

If you have some time, and can see an aspect of copyright law that could be clarified regarding the works in question, your opinion on this would be appreciated at WS:COPYVIO#Thought_is_Your_Enemy. I dont think we need a legal opinion regarding Sherurcij's opinion; he is quite clear he is voicing his opinion in lieu of something more substantive being offered. :-)

Alternatively, if you can put me towards some case law dealing with similar cases, I'll fetch them and do some research. John Vandenberg ^(chat) 22:46, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] political candidate speech in public domain

Hi I notice that you said "speeches of political candidates for federal office made in their official capacity are government works in the public domain" in this article http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Talk:Remarks_of_Senator_Barack_Obama_on_New_Hampshire_Primary_Night I adapted a Barack Obama speech into a song. Could you tell me how I can prove to naysayers that the speech is Public Domain.

Thanks,

70.187.190.56 20:47, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

I would refer to 17 U.S.C. § 105 Subject matter of copyright: United States Government works

Copyright protection under this title is not available for any work of the United States Government, but the United States Government is not precluded from receiving and holding copyrights transferred to it by assignment, bequest, or otherwise.

Now, whether this applies to candidate speeches is a question of interpretation, but since there are no cases in which a candidate has successfully sued to prevent distribution of a speech made while running for office, it is generally understood that such speeches themselves fall in the public domain. Naysayers often point to Martin Luther King Jr.'s "I have a dream" speech, which was held to be protected by copyright. However, MLK was neither an elected official, nor a candidate for office. Cheers! BD2412 T 22:59, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

The American Illustrated Medical Dictionary

BD2412,

With the The American Illustrated Medical Dictionary text can we try a different edition? I have been having a lot of problems converting it. Please let me know by leaving a message on my talk page. Thanks. --Mattwj2002 (talk) 06:52, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Dissenting Report of Mr. Greeley With Reference to the Revision of the Trademark Law headerless

Gday BD. When you are back, it would be great if you could add a {{header}} to the above work. Thx-- billinghurst (talk) 15:18, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

• Mark this as done. BD2412 T 16:41, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Comment re Credentials

Gday BD2412. I do not think that there is any particular need to produce credentials to support your claim. While that level of authenticity is lovely, it would seem overkill especially in this circumstance. Your expertise shows through in your long history of edits here and at WP. (all in my opinion)-- billinghurst (talk) 16:33, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Expertise and credentials are two different things. I'd like to avoid the kind of doubts raised by the Essjay debacle. BD2412 T 16:42, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

I am a little wary about creating a precedent for "Complain bitterly and repeatedly to win an argument". If you wish to pursue, probably best is something to info@wikisource.org (which is User:Bookofjude}}, and if we truly need to store an opinion, then we could look to get something into OTRS.-- billinghurst (talk) 16:51, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure I understand your point. Am I the one complaining in this scenario? BD2412 T 18:05, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Absolutely not, your commentary has been specific and relevant. More to those who complain about an issue from a lay/personal position, then, through continuing discussing and then to a point of demanding credentials and to which someone then feels obliged to produce them. It isn't a technique that should be required, or demanded, or be allowed to be become the expected, nor set a precedent. A statement of expertise and credentials should be sufficient for this sort of debate where the only consequence being the keeping or deleting of an article. billinghurst (talk) 00:52, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

I understand your desire not to feed the trolls, and that my making such a confirmation may encourage doubters to demand similar assurances from others. I'd still rather just have it done and out there for all time, but I won't press the issue. Cheers! BD2412 T 21:32, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Your opinion please

Hello, Could you please give your opinion about the copyright status of Wikisource:Possible copyright violations#An Autobiography or The Story of my Experiments with Truth. Thanks, Yann (talk) 23:43, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

• I appreciated your input on Palin's copyright violation discussion and thought maybe you could also help clear the air on Barack Obama's Super Bowl Pre-Game Interview. I'm wondering if an interview conducted within the White House itself (not in an NBC studio or program) for broadcast later can actually have any question of copyright violation → especially since a transcription of the interview has also been published by the Government Printing Office after the interview was aired. I might be inclined to accept the audio/video being protected but I can't see how a transcription is also covered - or is it? George Orwell III (talk) 19:40, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Anecdotes & Epigrams

Change, JeepdaySock (talk) 16:48, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

You are a WQ admin, you have the rights

q:Special:Import would be the page, and q:Special:ListGroupRights would be the page that states what accounts have what rights, and as an admin you have import. What may be missing is the connection between WS and WS, and you might need to get a bugzilla request undertaken so that enWS is visible to those that import. — billinghurst sDrewth 17:34, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Wikisource User Group

Wikisource, the free digital library is moving towards better implementation of book management, proofreading and uploading. All language communities are very important in Wikisource. We would like to propose a Wikisource User Group, which would be a loose, volunteer organization to facilitate outreach and foster technical development, join if you feel like helping out. This would also give a better way to share and improve the tools used in the local Wikisources. You are invited to join the mailing list 'wikisource-l' (English), the IRC channel #wikisource, the facebook page or the Wikisource twitter. As a part of the Google Summer of Code 2013, there are four projects related to Wikisource. To get the best results out of these projects, we would like your comments about them. The projects are listed at Wikisource across projects. You can find the midpoint report for developmental work done during the IEG on Wikisource here.

Global message delivery, 23:20, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Broken edits with half template additions

Your recent AWB-assisted edits are busted … ends of templates only. If you need a hand to resolve, let me know, though I am not sure which template you were looking to add. — billinghurst sDrewth 03:32, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

PS. That many additions using AWB probably should be considered with reference to Wikisource:Bots. — billinghurst sDrewth 03:35, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

It's a project of half measures. I'm going to use AWB to fill in the missing pieces once I have a pattern for how to do that, which will basically be around the recurring names of authors and works, or page by page. BD2412 T 03:52, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Okay. I have found that when doing something like that, it is useful to maybe put something onto your talk page, and then point to it in the edit summary. Saves confusion, and nags like yours truly. — billinghurst sDrewth 04:29, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Frankly, I didn't realize anyone was paying attention to this little project. I've been pecking away at it for four years! It would be nice if a bot could be made that could figure out all the templating needed for these pages, but that would be approaching artificial intelligence. BD2412 T 04:31, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

I was patrolling RC, and you had great big muddy footprints there. I will have a look at it another day, though not really knowing what is going on, makes it a little hard to comprehend. — billinghurst sDrewth 14:15, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Follow-up. We have been encouraging contributors to make notes about works, formatting, etc. on the corresponding "Index talk:" page. That may be worth considering in case you have casual passers-by who want to help but cannot fathom your process(es). — billinghurst sDrewth 14:24, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Basically, I'm just building a template shell around the quotes and citations so that I can move things to their proper place bit by bit. BD2412 T 19:09, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

The issue for which you are going to need to keep an eye out is that of template expansion. This is especially the case where you have the nested if statements. If we transclude many pages with many nested templates, we are going to whack the limit. So, that is going to need to look at how you are planning to display the pages ... sections of the page to be individually transcluded, or many pages together. If you are meaning how we go about wrapping the text into templates, then it may be that we look to something like manually place unique markers (symbols at either end of each section, eg. double daggers, male signs, female signs ... (one unique pair per template field), then have an AWB or pywikibot script that follows on behind, and does a minimal regex find and replace and then applies the template fields based on the markers. That component would be fairly easy once a human has applied their component, and we would just need to watch what happens around page breaks if components of the quotes wrap. — billinghurst sDrewth 00:19, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Here's what happened - I had the scan of the quote-book uploaded to the project, and not long thereafter User:Inductiveload created some templates to display the quotes, using parameters that I thought would be useful if we eventually want these quotes to be searchable or sortable. I didn't design the particulars of the templates, so I can't speak to their pros and cons. All I am doing now is putting the templates around the quotes. I assume that once the parameters are properly lined up, whatever they need to do, they will do. It should be no harder to do this manually than to put in unique place markers manually. BD2412 T 16:26, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Files to Commons — three processes

With regard to your question about how to get files into place, there are a few, depending on the location of the file

• Internet Archive djvu files — toollabs:ia-upload/
• Various library files, including Google, converting to djvu files — toollabs:bub/
• General uploader — toollabs:url2commons/

— billinghurst sDrewth 05:10, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

• I tried to use the Internet Archive tool to import an existing DjVu of Black's Law 2nd that I found there - https://archive.org/details/alawdictionaryc00unkngoog - with no luck. What am I doing wrong? My computer tells me that I need to upload a new version of Javascript (which I'd rather not). Could that be the problem? BD2412 T 16:27, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

The simple way is to download the djvu from IA and upload to Commons. However, this file has extraneous pages in the beginning and Google watermarking throughout. I am preparing another version from the link I had given; if you can wait a little, I'll make it available. Hrishikes (talk) 17:24, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Okay - thanks! BD2412 T 17:28, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Done Index:Black's Law Dictionary (Second Edition).djvu Hrishikes (talk) 03:31, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

I see that - thanks. How does the text get into the edit window? Is that automated, or does it need to be done by hand? I added the text of the first page. BD2412 T 03:48, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

You will get the OCR button on clicking Proofread Tools. Clicking that button will bring up the text. Hrishikes (talk) 04:15, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

New Proposal Notification - Replacement of common main-space header template

Announcing the listing of a new formal proposal recently added to the Scriptorium community-discussion page, Proposals section, titled:

• Switch header template foundation from table-based to division-based

The proposal entails the replacement of the current Header template familiar to most with a structurally redesigned new Header template. Replacement is a needed first step in series of steps needed to properly address the long time deficiencies behind several issues as well as enhance our mobile device presence.

There should be no significant operational or visual differences between the existing and proposed Header templates under normal usage (i.e. Desktop view). The change is entirely structural -- moving away from the existing HTML all Table make-up to an all Div[ision] based one.

Please examine the testcases where the current template is compared to the proposed replacement. Don't forget to also check Mobile Mode from the testcases page -- which is where the differences between current header template & proposed header template will be hard to miss.

For those who are concerned over the possible impact replacement might have on specific works, you can test the replacement on your own by entering edit mode, substituting the header tag {{header with {{header/sandbox and then previewing the work with the change in place. Saving the page with the change in place should not be needed but if you opt to save the page instead of just previewing it, please remember to revert the change soon after your done inspecting the results.

Your questions or comments are welcomed. At the same time I personally urge participants to support this proposed change. -- George Orwell III (talk) 02:04, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Adding pages before proofreading

Hi, I noticed your addition of many pages like this: Page:Investigation of the Ferguson Police Department.djvu/35 and your edit summary. I like taking this approach too. I am curious: did you find an automated process to add the base layer, or did you save each page manually? I'd love to know an automated way to do this is one exists. -Pete (talk) 17:19, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

No automation, I did it manually. I find that the easiest way to do this is to open every sixth or seventh page in a separate tab, and then after saving that page, run across all the tabs and move to the next one and do it over again. BD2412 T 19:01, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, I've done similar. It works OK, but it would be great if a bot could do so unattended. Would help get projects like this started more quickly, as long as it's not used in inappropriate ways. Thanks! -Pete (talk) 19:05, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi. Sorry to intrude. Just a few comments. There are bots doing this. If you are interested, place a request at Wikisource:Bot_requests if you need support. There are drawbacks though. If you just upload the first version and, before you do the work, a new DJVU revision with a better OCR process is uploaded, you will lose the benefits. I am sure this is not the case, but I say this as I have seen many works uploaded and then abandoned, where this benefit is now lost. Bye--Mpaa (talk) 21:17, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, that is useful information. BD2412 T 21:28, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Most welcome intrusion @Mpaa:, thank you. -Pete (talk) 21:48, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Queen Mab

Since this is the April PotM, it would be best practice to begin proofreading the work on the first, rather than beginning early. --EncycloPetey (talk) 22:50, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

I just wanted to get a sense of how it was likely to go. So far the scan looks pretty good. BD2412 T 23:55, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

Just a heads up

Hi,

Just a friendly note in case you aren't aware already... your recent AWB runs for Hoyt's has blown up one of the automated tracking categories, Category:Pages using duplicate arguments in template calls. Please try to tweak/resolve the script for this - its no big deal locally but that CAT is one those universal-automated ones that site metrics are measured by and who knows when those numbers might "mean something" (if ever). Thanks. -- George Orwell III (talk) 00:06, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, I was not aware of the issue. I'll see if I can't just go through and fix the offending template instances. Should take about two hours. Cheers! BD2412 T 00:10, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

No rush. And FYI... It is quite possible that most folks don't "see" stuff like that because they don't have Show hidden categories enabled in their User: preferences --> Appearance tab --> Advanced Options section; you might be one of them:) Prost. -- George Orwell III (talk) 00:45, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

Well, I can see now that this will take more than a few hours. I'll keep plugging away at it. Cheers! BD2412 T 03:05, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

There are fewer than 50 left. BD2412 T 21:42, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

All cleared out. Cheers! BD2412 T 20:52, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

/* Cassell's Illustrated History of England vol 1 */

BD2412, if you do the text to a point of a good proofread then I am willing to come back to that volume and continue onward with the images. —Maury (talk) 19:45, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

• Maybe at some point, but my first priorities are Black's Law Dictionary and Hoyt's New Cyclopedia Of Practical Quotations. Cheers! BD2412 T 19:49, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
• Understood and I thank you. —Maury (talk) 01:25, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

Some job you're doing

Thanks for your contributions with The Popular Science Monthly Project. The cleanup you are doing is exactly the kind of word missed during proofreading, and is much appreciated. If you go to all that trouble, why don't you proofread the page. Just cleaning the text is a great contribution, no template application, or word wrap is necessary. User:Zoeannl is doing great work along the same lines. In any case, I check all pages for missing templates when anchoring for the index.— Ineuw talk 03:44, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

Actually, what I'm doing is feeding in common typos to AWB, and then scouring all of Wikisource for pages including them. Although it is only making one or two fixes per page, I am making these fixes across thousands of pages, which is already a very time consuming effort. Hopefully, it saves the next editor the time of addressing these particular issues. Cheers! BD2412 T 15:55, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

Thank you so much for the validations on the "Memoirs of a Huguenot Family" book. —Maury (talk) 04:52, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

I answered your question in Scriptorium long before you asked me on my talk page. —Maury (talk) 02:22, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation. BD2412 T 02:39, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

BD2412, thank you so very much for the many validations you have done on Index:Memoirs of a Huguenot Family.djvu - Now show me where I can do the same favors for you. I believe in people helping people. Kindest regards, —Maury (talk) 16:33, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

As it happens, I have two major projects underway, both occupying a very large scale of work - Index:Black's Law Dictionary (Second Edition).djvu and Index:Hoyt's New Cyclopedia Of Practical Quotations (1922).djvu. Unfortunately, both have some fairly involved template work going on, but these are particularly important because they are source documents to support large swaths of Wikipedia, Wiktionary, and Wikiquote content. Any help with these would be appreciated. Thanks! BD2412 T 18:47, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

BD2412, I worked on Blacks Law Dictionary offline and did the few validations when I came back online. I need more proofreads there. Next I will try Hoyt's New Cyclopedia Of Practical Quotations (1922). Your work is very sophisticated. —Maury (talk) 08:44, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

• re: 98 Footnote - do as you think best. I have seen enough of your work to know that you know what to do. Kindest regards, —Maury (talk) 20:34, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
  • BD2412, thank you for immense amount of excellent work you did on this book. I am fully aware it was a task. —Maury (talk) 00:38, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

small-caps header

Is there some advantage in changing the header text to lower-case, then using {{sc}} to render in back into upper-case that I am not aware of?

Will you be retro-editing the entire work, or just a portion of it? I was standardizing to {{smaller}}, so I need to know. As it stands, we have pages in capitals with no template, pages in capitals using {{smaller}}, and now a group of pages using miniscule letters with {{sc}}. --EncycloPetey (talk) 18:43, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

I had started doing it that way, and was just staying consistent with that. I have not changed any {{smaller}} instances to {{sc}}, and I don't think there is any external difference. I can make them all {{smaller}} without difficulty, though. BD2412 T 23:36, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

Using {{smaller}} would require less magic; I have the feeling that some browsers will copy and paste based on the parameter text rather than the display text, but I could be wrong. --EncycloPetey (talk) 23:44, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

Should be all fixed now. Cheers! BD2412 T 23:59, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

How to Know the Ferns

Thanks for creating all the pages, but you jumped the gun by a little. The page numbers on the Index page hadn't yet been set correctly, so the page numbers that were inserted into the the footers are mostly wrong. They will all have to be corrected. --EncycloPetey (talk) 04:21, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

I noticed that as I was making the pages, but I figured that I can easily fix the laggards with AWB. BD2412 T 13:03, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Wiktionary

What happened to the English Wiktionary? I can't access any pages at all through either Safari or Firefox. Every other MW project seems fine, as do other Wiktionaries, but the English Wiktionary's pages all turn up blank, including the Main Page. --EncycloPetey (talk) 03:24, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Wiktionary appears fine to me. Try again? BD2412 T 03:32, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Nope. Still not getting through. Odd. --EncycloPetey (talk) 04:12, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

I wonder if someone hacked my personal settings. --EncycloPetey (talk) 04:13, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Tried logging in as my bot and had no trouble. It's just my main account then. --EncycloPetey (talk) 04:19, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Any improvement since then? BD2412 T 14:34, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Yes, although at this point I don't know what happened to either cause or fix the situation. Perhaps the e-mail I sent to Semper helped to get things fixed? Who knows? Weird. . . --EncycloPetey (talk) 15:23, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Page:Parsons How to Know the Ferns 7th ed.djvu/138‎ and its caption

Hi, have you had a look at {{FI}}? I think that it might well solve your problem with this page. If it doesn't then try its friend {{FIS}}. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 23:06, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

• @Beeswaxcandle: It seems to have worked. What do you think of the outcome? BD2412 T 00:33, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

It definitely looks better now. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 00:39, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. Good tip! BD2412 T 01:09, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

Actually, that doesn't work at all once it's transcluded to the final work. Look at the final page and you'll see an oversize image without any text. Formatting for the Page namespace only does not help the reader of the final work. --EncycloPetey (talk) 02:35, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

Damn. I'm afraid I don't know how to make a transparent image, or otherwise work in the images on these pages with text buried in the image. BD2412 T 03:52, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

AuFCL has had a go, and almost made it work. The only problem is that the image caption displays inside the image, and when transcluded, it breaks the flow of the paragraph. --EncycloPetey (talk) 04:21, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

If needed, for each image I uploaded to Commons in parts, I also uploaded the whole image. BD2412 T 04:27, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

I do not at all follow. I thought the idea of this page was to break the text? Presumably you mean How_to_Know_the_Ferns_(7th_ed)/Group_IV#110? Where would you like the caption to appear if not directly below the framing image and if it is within my ability to do so I shall move it there. Alternatively did you want the entire page to "float" when transcluded? AuFCL (talk) 04:32, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

Simply to provoke discussion here is a version which displays faithfully in Page:, yet "moves" the caption up and to the right under transclusion. AuFCL (talk) 04:50, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

┌──────────────────────────┘

As none of the thoughts have worked, it's time to invoke my Second Law of life: "If at first you don't succeed, cheat!" I suggest that the image is rederived with the caption as a part of the image, then use the alt_text to make the caption searchable. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 20:31, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

If the goal is to emulate the page, then the entire page (text and all) could be included as an image file. BD2412 T 01:24, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

Wouldn't it be a good idea if definitive feedback was received from the person who keeps marking each attempt "Problematic" so that everybody is at least working from common assumptions? (Perhaps that came across as snarky? Maybe I sort of meant it to be taken as such? If it is illegitimate to register irritation at unclear requirements I formally withdraw from further input on this matter. My irritation at same nonetheless stands.) AuFCL (talk) 01:48, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

I would note that all of the pages needing images were marked as problematic at the outset. In some cases, I added images and marked the pages as done, but realized that the image formatting was not working as it was supposed to work, and changed the page back to problematic. I have not kept track of whether other editors have also moved pages from being done back to being problematic based on display issues. BD2412 T 03:05, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

That is what I get for trying to be both oblique and polite. No, you are not the issue here. Maybe the section title is a blunt hint? AuFCL (talk) 03:39, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

Beastly tables

The skills that we pick up, and the cheats that we employ, with the ugliness underneath to get things spick at the presentation level. As that stuff is beastly, and we do lots of columns around here, we have been pushing a little harder more recently at phabricator to get the wiki-column formatting implemented. Get some good classes involved for columns, and we will be applying more sensible amounts of code!

Oh, and I have transcluded the rest of The Slippery Slope and it looks nice. Thanks for the bits that you have done. I am going to have to poke around some dark corners at enWP to find places to poke each of those essays as further reading. — billinghurst sDrewth 23:54, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Thanks - I was tempted to just make an image file of it, but it's much better this way. BD2412 T 02:01, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

Beatrix Potter

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/2601:646:8F01:84FF:E9B2:B6FB:8740:50EE Someone is very misguided here. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 21:21, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

• Fixed. As noted in the fixes, there is no question that these works were published prior to 1923, or that Beatrix Potter died on December 22, 1943 at Castle Cottage in Kensington. BD2412 T 21:29, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

Do you have blocking rights yet? Given this particular IP's global contribs I'm not exactly convince they are here to help.ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 21:36, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

I'm afraid I do not - it's a process. However, this IP might have merely been misinformed, so perhaps they will not cause further trouble. BD2412 T 21:39, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

My guess is that they did not understand that they were altering the name of a template to something that was not the name of a template. --EncycloPetey (talk) 21:50, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

@ShakespeareFan00: How are you not an admin by now, anyway? BD2412 T 21:58, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

Not enough edits. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 14:26, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

You must be joking! You have as many edits as I do, on this project. BD2412 T 14:35, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

Also I don't "need" the tools to get things done :) ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 15:39, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

Admin

Hi BD2412,

I have closed your admin nomination as successful and assigned you the extra rights. Can I ask you to please review your entry at Wikisource:Administrators#Current_administrators. Cheers,

Hesperian 02:02, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, I have filled in the details. Cheers! BD2412 T 03:36, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Index:Texas Dept. of Housing and Community Affairs v. Inclusive Communities Project, Inc.pdf

Another 6 pages and this is good for validation. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 10:04, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Index:Ruffhead_-_The_Statutes_at_Large_-_vol_3.djvu

Any chance of being able to get your OCR/ auto typo correct to take a look at this?

It's been sitting around for a while, but it's a very near complete set of English statutes, and it has some that aren't on Legislation.govuk ( as they have long since been repealed).

Thanks ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 21:04, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

• I'll have a look this evening. BD2412 T 21:05, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Volume 1 & 2 have split coloumn, so might need extra effort. :( ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 21:18, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

There is no automated means to create the pages. Once they have been created, AWB might be of use. BD2412 T 22:16, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Page:Ruffhead - The Statutes at Large - vol 3.djvu/89 is the prefered clean layout. I've got no objections to automated creation from raw. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 22:25, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Unfortunately, that part of the process can not be automated, so far as I know. BD2412 T 22:26, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Well feel free to create raw for clean-up later then :) I can track behind if needed. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 22:59, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Bot user/flood flag

Just a quick reminder: you see this thing cuts both ways. If you were hoping edits like this one of yours are to be seen by the paying public then you have to remember to turn the flag back off again before voting or performing edits you wish to make obvious. I hope you didn't expect this thing to be intelligent or anything so unreasonable as that! AuFCL (talk) 05:08, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

Lesson learned, the hard way. Cheers! BD2412 T 21:23, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

I had intended my remark to come across as kindly rather than accusing. AuFCL (talk) 23:11, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

It didn't come across as accusing; I should have known that when the flag goes up, it must come down. BD2412 T 00:42, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

Page:Hoyt's_New_Cyclopedia_Of_Practical_Quotations_(1922).djvu/1013

Marked as problematic because although the text is complete, doing a multicolumnular table that's 'nice' in translcuion isn't simple, maybe you have some thoughts or can write an appropriate script :) ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 22:11, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

To be honest, I'll worry about it after I get through the preceding 974 pages. BD2412 T 03:39, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

New template created

{{rh/2}},

Params

1. . Page number/ page header text as appropriate
2. . Page number/ page header text as appropriate
3. l or r being the position of the page numbers.

Given the page header looks relatively straightforward you should be able to automate it's addition. :) ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 14:20, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

How is this different from what

already does? Just with the "l"/"r" parameter? BD2412 T 14:40, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

It does the formatting slightly differently, in that it changes the column widths accordingly for the 2 vs 3 item layout allowing the page header text to expand (as in the original).ShakespeareFan00 (talk)

I see now. BD2412 T 14:45, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

Also compare the two versions here - https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page%3AMoll_Flanders_%281906_edition%29.djvu%2F221&type=revision&diff=5730535&oldid=5729603 ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 14:46, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

That is what I see now. BD2412 T 15:18, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

suggestion

I came across modem for modern in a text I was proofing, one I remembered seeing before. I don't see a problem with adding that to a list for site-wide sweeps, if you haven't already. The exceptions, ocr of another word or it is modem, would be obvious from the context given on the search result. Does this sort of thing suit your workflow? CYGNIS INSIGNIS 18:54, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

• It is certainly something I can take on manually. Because we do have more recent documents from government sources and the like, this is not a suitable task for bot review. For that, it would probably be best to have a set of phrases, like "modem times" and "modem views". BD2412 T 19:42, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

Weird user history

Could you check User:Jerome Charles Potts contribution history? He left a rather rude note on User:Mahir256 talk page Sept 24 after being away from editing since May 25. Seemed unlike him. --Outlier59 (talk) 15:08, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

• I see nothing terribly extraordinary here. It is not unusual for editors to take long breaks when offline life matters get in the way, and it is not unusual for editors who are dealing with such matters to become short-tempered when returning to editing. BD2412 T 15:32, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

Thank you. Sorry to bother you. Outlier59 (talk) 15:59, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

No bother at all. Cheers! BD2412 T 16:01, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

Typo fixing

Hi, is it okay to fix typos in texts here with AWB? I thought I shouldn't start doing this without being aware of basic rules here. Thanks, Rubbish computer (talk) 00:07, 15 December 2015 (UTC) Rubbish computer (talk) 00:07, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

@Rubbish computer: How can you tell that they are typos from the original text (noting that we reproduce errors printed)? So generally it is not okay to run text replacements without reference to the text and images. The works that BD2412 bot edits are for known OCR errors specific to the works of focus. — billinghurst sDrewth 01:18, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

@Billinghurst: I thought that might be an issue; thanks for letting me know. Rubbish computer (talk) 01:47, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

It is very common, when you start going through a work, to find repeating scannos (like "tliier" for "their", or spaces before semicolons). When working on a good number of pages has made you confident that these are indeed recurring scannos in the work, feel free to use AWB to run through the entire work for this fix. BD2412 T 02:40, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

"modem" ≡ "modern" is a safe assumption, bearing in mind the antiquity of most works suitably out of copyright; "arid" ≡ "and" needs closer attention. Beware standalone "M."'s: might be "a"; and the list goes on… "nm" is almost always an OCR disaster; and don't get me started on "U" embedded amongst an otherwise lowercase context… (most probably "ll".) AuFCL (talk) 03:04, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

I have quite a list of common typos I have found from time to time. Perhaps we should have a centralized page to list these. More examples: "couid" for "could", "whoie" for "whole", "betwccn" for "between". BD2412 T 03:29, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

Only makes sense. My support. Presumably if such a centralised location be specified, we can assume that (one day) all will eventually be addressed and, as individuals, we can safely ignore future recurrence? (Because, to state the obvious, otherwise absolutely no progress is attained: spoken as one who has been bitten multiple times before.) AuFCL (talk) 04:00, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

If you find some that are very common but are not yet in the cleanup script, then we can add them to that script and have them dealt with by invoking the script. Doing so saves multiple AWB runs across the same set of pages. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 04:48, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

I don't see how we are ever safe from future recurrence as long as we continue adding new scans to the corpus. BD2412 T 12:27, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

I read BWC's statement was more on a "per work" focus. We do batch typos on a page/work with one run, and presumably get them all, rather than multiple runs of a bot once per typo. New scans obviously couldn't be classified as the "same set of pages". — billinghurst sDrewth 03:31, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

In an ideal world, this would be true, but one can't help discovering new recurring errors even while going through things like the existing Popular Science scans and Federal Reporter scans. With works like these, having tens of thousands of pages, we can't wait until all possible recurring errors are discovered before addressing any, or we'd never get started fixing any of them, and the work would fall on editors going through the pages manually, making slow fixes. We need to be able to address both old issues coming up in new works, and new issues discovered in old works. BD2412 T 03:40, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

(ec) @Rubbish computer: So in the end we are talking somewhat a different story than "fix typos with AWB" to something more nuanced. If we are talking about approaching an Index:/Page: set with eyes wide open that we have OCR misconceptions (subtly different than typos), with a known workbook of impossible spellings with known changes to non-proofread pages then sounds achievable (RC flooding being managed). For these we should be setting up some rules (importable?) and some of the approaches to AWB should be about how we can do some of these things. To note that through Pathoschild's m:TemplateScript it is possible to have text's typos fixed as proofreading, which is usually my preferred means to progress. — billinghurst sDrewth 04:57, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

@Billinghurst: @BD2412: Okay, thanks. --Rubbish computer (talk) 18:32, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

Index:Mrs Beeton's Book of Household Management.djvu

I am finding most of what I am doing on this is formatting and OCR fixing.

I understood you had a script to do some OCR corrections semi-automatically? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 11:02, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

History of the United States (Beard)

In Category:Articles with missing files there are mentions of "History of the United States (Beard)". Are you able to identify if the missing images can be sourced? Thanks. — billinghurst sDrewth 14:57, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

They should all be here. BD2412 T 20:44, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

No good to me, as I only get search and snippet view. Let us see if we can 'BUB' it. — billinghurst sDrewth 03:07, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

It is taken into the queue toollabs:/bub/queue/ — billinghurst sDrewth 03:09, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

I can see the whole thing. When I have some time, I can pull out the missing images and upload them to Commons. BD2412 T 01:36, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

Random cleaning of the PSM pages

Please cease the random "cleaning" of pages in the PSM project because they are not helpful to say the least.

By way of explanation, I work in an organized and sequential manner, knowing what to expect when I navigate to a new page. With your random page cleaning, I never know what to expect when I start, and often end up removing words at the end of the page where there should have been an empty row. I also rely on � as a marker to navigate the page by column and row. In a two column page, it indicates the beginning of the 2nd column, and before removing � these, I join the first line of the 2nd column to the last line of the 1st column, to indicate the top of the new column. When they are removed, I am lost. It's an important reference point on a page that contains 750 to 900 words and that's why most editors avoid working on them. — Ineuw talk 02:39, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

I wouldn't have removed any of those if I had any inkling that they were anything other than errors. BD2412 T 03:10, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

I understand and feel badly because what I tried to express was an explanation. Am aware that I often work in a vacuum and oblivious to what's happening in the community, and don't expect others to accept my way of working unless I explain my crazy ways. After so many pages of proofreading the same page styles, methods and habits are developed. If it makes you feel any better, you are not the only one I made such a request :-). Thanks again for understanding. — Ineuw talk 05:33, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

No worries, I'll leave those symbols alone. However, do let me know if there are other common types or errors across the PSM project that could effectively be swept away by a bot. BD2412 T 13:29, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

Encyclopaedia Biblica — ditch or worth persevering?

Looking at the quality of the (OCR) work Encyclopaedia Biblica, it seems that it is in quite a disreputable state here at Wikisource. Do you believe that it is worth maintaining in its current form, or is it something that we may be better to ditch, and get the scans available? To me, in its current state, it is not of value, and just plain ugly; and its current presentation will stop any work from happening to fix it. — billinghurst sDrewth 05:17, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

Sorry that I appear not to have answered this in a timely manner. The issue, obviously, has since been disposed of. Cheers! BD2412 T 22:12, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

Index:Cassell's Illustrated History of England vol 3.djvu

Do you have a script to mass OCR an entire work? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 20:14, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

I have a script to convert the most common typos (e.g. "tlier" for "their", "sufficlent" for "sufficient") - but the pages must be created first. BD2412 T 20:16, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

Bother.  :( ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 20:45, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

BD2412, today you marked two pages on volume 3. Good, but why not go ahead and do the headers and text leaving an area where the image is to be inserted? —Maury (talk) 20:49, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

I would prefer to figure out the best path to automation of those tasks. BD2412 T 22:14, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

Deletion of An Ainu–English–Japanese Dictionary

Hi BD2412,

Thanks for the removal of the duplicate Index:An Ainu–English–Japanese Dictionary.djvu. However, the page An Ainu–English–Japanese Dictionary was ok. I've finished the match-and-split of this dictionary with Index:An Ainu-English-Japanese dictionary (including a grammar of the Ainu language).djvu. Could it be undeleted please ? Thanks in advance and sorry for the inconvenience, Assassas77 (talk) 07:30, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

• Done. Cheers! BD2412 T 12:49, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

Get a bot account

C'mon on, fair is fair. Please get a bot account rather than flood recent changes. Others follow those rules. — billinghurst sDrewth 14:18, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

• I have a bot flag, which should be up right now. Is that not working? BD2412 T 14:19, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
  • It appears that it is not. To be clear, I am using AWB manually, not as a bot. I'm also fixing hundreds of obvious scanning errors that need to be fixed sooner or later, so the concern about flooding recent changes has to be balanced against the concern about leaving hundreds of errors sitting there. BD2412 T 14:24, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

Editing learning

Hello, my name is Tito. I am working on English Wikipedia and Wikidata. I am interested to learn about Wikisource and work here. Could you please help me? w:WP:Adopt or something similar would be great. --Tito Dutta (Talk) 12:28, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

I am glad to help. Wikisource is basically a collection of written works that are in the public domain. The work that we do is to identify such works and convert them from their original format (usually a scan of a printed book) into wiki-text. We have a monthly "proofread of the month" (see WS:POTM) where we select a work and go through the steps of preparing it as a community, which is probably a good place to get started. Cheers! BD2412 T 12:56, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

Hi @Titodutta: nice to see you here. Hope my talk page-lurking isn't unwelcome, just spotted this on my watchlist. Please feel free to reach out to me, also, with any questions as well. I'm also very interested in the intersection of Wikisource, Wikipedia, and Wikidata (though my skills are not highly technical, and often find aspects of Wikidata mystifying.) -Pete (talk) 14:56, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

Page:The Green Bag (1889–1914), Volume 01

Oh dear. Just did page 1. The text of the two columns are intermixed, and not quite merely interleaving the lines. I looked at page 2 and it looks perfectly clean. Page 3 top columns are intermixed again, but then the lower columns look fine again. Page 4 is completely intermixed again.

Is there a mode by which the scanner can be told to scan each vertical half of the page separately, and rescan? Otherwise at the least you'll need javascript scripting help to allow a first pass of disentangling texts - highlight a section of text and throw it (cumulatively) to the left or to the right. Blech. Shenme (talk) 05:34, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

I don't know of a different mode for making the scans, but most of these are available on Google Books, and in some cases their text version of the pages has scanned the columns better than ours, so we can always copy and paste that over our version for a given page. BD2412 T 11:21, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

Caps and The History of Ink

Can you peek in at a question I just dropped at Picky picky I am. (We'd had an edit conflict on a page, so I forced my changes after yours so the differences were plainer for comparison/discussion). Shenme (talk) 03:29, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

PDF to DjVu

Can you recommend someone who is able to convert PDF to DjVu? Of all the Yale Shakespeare volumes, Romeo & Juliet is the only tragedy that doesn't seem to exist on IA, but I found a copy at https://books.google.com/books?id=3IAEAQAAIAAJ

I've put it into the Book Uploader Bot, but that still won't generate a DjVu. Ican work with PDF if I have to, but I'd prefer not to. So, is there someone who might be able and willing that you know of? There's no rush. --EncycloPetey (talk) 03:41, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

I can't remember how I did it the last time I had to do it. BD2412 T 03:43, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

No worries. But if you do remember, or think of someone else who could tackle this, please do let me know. --EncycloPetey (talk) 03:46, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

I definitely will. Cheers! BD2412 T 03:48, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

This just jumped out at me, @EncycloPetey: - I know it's old, but feel free to reach out if you have this need again. -Pete (talk) 16:10, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

@Peteforsyth: Thanks. Some of the volumes, even on IA, are now recent enough scans that IA hasn't generated a DjVu. This need recurs each January with the series, as new volumes enter public domain. I usually list the new volumes on that years PD-day anticipation thread, so if you have the next year's page on your watchlist and keep it in mind come January, you'll be able to help with (potentially) many books even beyond the Yale Shakespeare series. --EncycloPetey (talk) 20:19, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

That sounds like a page I'd like to have on my watchlist, but I haven't encountered it. Could you link it? Not finding anything at WS:Public domain or similar. -Pete (talk) 20:38, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Nostromo

Could you create all the pages for Index:Nostromo (1904).djvu, including the header, footer, and paragraph breaks? Having the pages created, with these items in place, would make proofreading the novel much faster. It should be fairly easy, as the header and footer structure are the same for both even and odd pages. --EncycloPetey (talk) 22:15, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

I don't have any special facility for creating pages with headers and footers. BD2412 T 22:23, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

Oh well. Thanks. --EncycloPetey (talk) 01:39, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

@EncycloPetey: Page creation is done. Headers and footers will need checking, of course. Cheers! BD2412 T 14:44, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

Thanks. This will speed the proofreading process enormously. --EncycloPetey (talk) 15:41, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

Your message

Hello. The answer to the question you asked on my talk page is that the way to create that number of pages in that space of time is to edit for about ten hours a day (or possibly more, I am not sure) every day, more or less solidly, and to press your mouse, keyboard, touchscreen, or whatever (there are other touch activated input devices on laptops and phones whose names I don't know) as fast as possible. It might be that the mobile device I am using allows me to press the redlink and publish page "buttons" on the wiki page faster than a computer mouse, but I have not tried this on a desktop or laptop, so I can't say. James500 (talk) 04:31, 15 June 2019 (UTC)