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@ShakespeareFan00: Thank you for notifying me of the existence of this. As that copyright publication itself is in the public domain, a transcription of it on Wikisource is probably due, as it would be a pretty useful general resource. But dang, it is quite a large text. I should probably add this project itself to the back-burner of my new film WikiProject.
Anyway, I've been going through director filmographies on Wikipedia to find which ones are lost and found, etc. I'm trying to put together a pretty good list of found films for us here at Wikisource to have exclusively. Having to look for films this old to watch and wade through the huge amount of films listed on Wikipedia or Commons, with more than half of them unavailable to the general public entirely, can be pretty annoying, and also sad to be reminded of. I hope Wikisource's film coverage will become that one saving grace where viewers don't have to deal with this agonizing ordeal I've been dealing with for years. PseudoSkull (talk) 21:57, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
Will do, I am fetching the chapters' page numbers now. My thanks to you ultimately for starting the proofreading of this book. PseudoSkull (talk) 17:53, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
@EncycloPetey: I apologize for this, I have stopped the bot for now. @Inductiveload: Is there a particular reason for the references tags in the footers? I don't see any reference links in the pages I've reviewed. If you want, I could add </references> to all the footers except chapter beginning pages, or where they appear I could tell the bot to leave them as they are. PseudoSkull (talk) 18:47, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
@EncycloPetey: Then I will continue running it. I have added a new feature to the bot that would stop itself if it were ever to find something new in the footer template (besides \n<references />, and ask me from there if it wants to continue. PseudoSkull (talk) 19:21, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
1925 film upload requests
I was going to add these to the list, which hasn’t been created yet, but I thought it would be easier to ask you directly. Would you mind uploading some of the big-name films listed at 1925 in film? The Alice Comedies and some of the other series also look interesting. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 21:21, 2 January 2021 (UTC).
@TE(æ)A,ea.: I cannot upload many of these, because FFMPEG has never been able to install for me (trust me, I've spent countless hours trying) on my only working computer. I have quite unfortunately been having to ask another user on Commons to do a lot of these jobs for me because of that situation. I don't want to keep piling up their talk page with my wishlist. The only thing I can do is strip music with youtube-dl and convert to webm (only works with videos on YouTube itself). PseudoSkull (talk) 23:03, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
I've always wanted to do that tbh. I even screenshotted it. Hopefully that's not against the rules, or else this is gonna be worse'n a sure 'nuff funeral. PseudoSkull (talk) 05:56, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
I’m tempted to start proofreading this film, but wanted to ask you in case you had already started work. I’ve wanted to transcribe more films, but I’ve been fighting the fight over on Commons for the past few days, and just started transcribing “The 1776 Report” (since it has a Wikipedia article)—somehow unsurprisingly, it’s quite dull. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 02:58, 21 January 2021 (UTC).
@TE(æ)A,ea.: Ah yes, that's quite an important one. Feel free to start transcribing it if you'd like.
But I'd advise for films as long as this one to do it in a draft space, since the ProofreadPage extension is currently broken for film. It's just easier that way IMO, especially since during the initial proofreading process you may have to add (or rarely remove) elements from the transcription.
I have created a community space for drafts now—see Wikisource:WikiProject Film/Drafts (shortcut WS:WPFD). I have already created a space for you ahead of time at which to proofread it, source text from here. The text should be formatted like it was on this page, for example, with timestamps before each element, and with all the timestamps and elements separated out by ----. If a page is to be marked as problematic, type " p" after the timestamp of that element.
If you work on and finish the film's proofread in this draft space, let me know and I can run the bot through it. It will create the Index page, all the individual Page pages, and transclude the film automatically because it's a pain in the ass to do manually. Hopefully one day ProofreadPages will be fixed for film, and maybe given extra conveniences for films specifically. But for now, this is the best way IMO. Have fun! PseudoSkull (talk) 03:21, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
PseudoSkull: My work for this was unfortunately deleted, so I will not continue working on it. I would like to proofread some more movies in the future, but I will likely not be able to do so for a week or so hence. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 03:18, 4 February 2021 (UTC).
The Bargain
Hello, I'm editing a draft for The Bargain; I've to clean it up, but before I have a few questions.
At 05:50, there is a form with a very tiny text, unreadable. What is the best practice in such a case?
At 22:33, there is a poster with a picture. Is it recommended to insert the picture?
When a same letter or scene is seen several times, is it necessary to have a page for each occurrence? e.g. several shots if a building…
On every boards, there is line with a 'Part' number. Is it necessary to keep this line?
Hello, @M-le-mot-dit:. The rules about film aren't really set in stone, but here are some guidelines I have in regards to these issues:
Normally when text is illegible, we replace where the text would normally go with Template:illegible and the page would have to be marked as problematic. But generally don't do this, unless there is illegible text for an in-scene text crucial to the plot, that the film-makers wanted you to read in full, such as a letter. If it's illegible, try your best to pretend it doesn't exist in your transcription; i.e. just skip transcribing that part.
I can't recall a time when images were ever placed inside film transcriptions here. There's not really a rule against it though, and it doesn't hurt anything IMO. So add it if you want to.
If some in-scene text repeatedly is shown throughout a certain scene, such as building text, please don't include it repeatedly as that clutters up the page. There is only a need to include in-scene text once. Although, if there is some crucial in-scene text that repeats 30 minutes later or something in another scene, you can repeat that.
What you're doing now with the parts, labelling them in only one intertitle per "part," seems fine, since there are no intertitles specifically separating out the parts. PseudoSkull (talk) 17:47, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
Thank you for job. It's very time saving! Just a few pages to correct (missing end of text, e.g. the 1st one). Also the process for portal and category (portal = [[Category:Western film/Drama film]]), but it was quickly fixed. Regards, M-le-mot-dit (talk) 10:23, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
We have this template that we encourage for webm files. Its use allows us to more easily find where we have such files in place, and allows for us to better manage conditions around these files. — billinghurstsDrewth05:59, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
Then innovation is probably necessary—those are regular film entries, the only difference being that there is no transcribable text for those films. We might want to modify Template:Film to do the same thing as Template:watch for consistency's sake. Also, due to the way Template:film works, films themselves are normally kept in the Notes section of a Header template, but your usage has deviated from that, so do you suggest we should modify our system so that all film videos are placed outside of the header template? PseudoSkull (talk) 08:21, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
Ugh, don't know why that template was created. They should be merged, we don't need two (I would prefer WATCH as old template and pairs with {{listen}}). Can you work out the features that you wish to have and note on one of the template talk pages and ping me when you know what is truly need. Maybe consider pinging the community at WS:S pointing to wherever you are thinking we should be and getting their feedback. It is not an area of interest to me, so will do what is needed. — billinghurstsDrewth22:00, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
@Billinghurst: It's on my personal to-do list to go through all of the older film entries and fix them up, update them, and even re-validate them, as even some of the validated ones have transcription issues. PseudoSkull (talk) 17:14, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
Hello, I've finished the draft of The Regeneration. There are some "problematic" frames (00:59, 09:59, 10:28) where some name are truncated, but not really useful for the action. Let me know if I need to remove them. --M-le-mot-dit (talk) 18:13, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
@M-le-mot-dit:Gertie seems to be the proper title and not Gertie the Dinosaur. See, for example, this page of the Motion Pictures, 1912-1939 copyright catalog. There is no entry for "GERTIE THE DINOSAUR", but it does list "GERTIE (1914)" as being by Winsor McCay, which it confusingly lists as an unpublished work. I'm not sure why the film has been popularly called Gertie the Dinosaur if all this evidence points to the proper title being Gertie—perhaps it was called that later to distinguish it from the other films with the name Gertie in the title, or to make clear for marketing purposes that the Gertie character is a dinosaur character. The copyright records aforementioned list 4 other Gertie films that existed between 1915 and 1916 as well, interestingly enough, and actually, all of those were listed as published works, while the main film Gertie was listed as unpublished. PseudoSkull (talk) 18:03, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
@PseudoSkull: Yes, the content is ready; will you rename it Gertie? It's the name we see in the cartoon itself as well as on the original poster. I wonder why most of the references call it with a longer title. I've also found Gertie, the bashful dinosaur in Cartoons Magazine #10 (1916). --M-le-mot-dit (talk) 09:52, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
@M-le-mot-dit: I know, and this is why I have brought up a move discussion at the English Wikipedia talk page for the article about this film. Unfortunately I don't think I will get much support there for my case. They don't want the original title that was actually used at the time, but the "popular" title today that was made up by some cooks in the 90s. But anyway, thanks for doing this film, and we'll use the real title here—I'll get the bot running. PseudoSkull (talk) 15:54, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for adding the detail. I suspected he was the director but I see on the Wikipedia page that he was both director and wrote the screenplay.
For disambiguation pages, we want enough information to unambiguously identify the work in question, usually the date, the kind of work (play, novel, film), and the author. However, for certain kinds of works (such as operas or silent films) the author is not as useful for identification of the work as the composer (for an opera) or the director (for a film). For example, there were two films called "War of the Worlds" in 2005. Identifying them by the authors of the scripts (Friedman & Koepp vs. Hines & Goforth) would not be as useful as saying one was directed by Spielberg and the other by Hines.
So, we could say the film was "directed by", but "by" would be just as accurate for Wikisource purposes since what we usually mean is that they were the author of the written portion. Your point is taken though. --EncycloPetey (talk) 01:03, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
Incredibly busy
Some of you may have noticed I haven't been producing film transcripts as rapidly as usual lately. That is because I have been unusually busy IRL. In about a month and change I won't be so on-and-off with the busyness and will be able to do more work on the film transcripts again. PseudoSkull (talk) 13:22, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
as if we ever move pages then all these links automatically update
translator =
actually isn't one of our mandatory header fields, feel free to cull it if not needed; added to the preload as we had a period when we had translations and was always been omitted
prev/next =
to also note that with the magic piping of MW, you can just do a link like [[../Chapter 9/ note terminating forward slash, and it will display just that text
year =
we would typically only put at the top level for a simple published work, especially novels, it isn't changing and we don't need to categorise or anything
commonscat =
unusual to utilise that manually at all, leverage WD, and cannot remember a time when we have needed it at subpage level
Also noting that we would typically only categorise top level of a work, unless there is something different on the subpage that requires the differentiation. — billinghurstsDrewth23:55, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
Hello. The pages which you have tagged for deletion cannot be deleted because they are being transcluded to the main namespace. Let me know please after it is solved. --Jan Kameníček (talk) 17:23, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
Please do not bulk move Page: namespace pages
Hi. Please do bulk move Page: namespace pages. Please just ask an admin to do it at WS:AN. It creates way too much unnecessary work to have to go and do bulk deletions. Thanks. — billinghurstsDrewth21:57, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
No, please stop. We have better tools, we can move without redirects, and in bulk with subpages. I don't want to add another 100+ pp for no reason. Also, I don't see that the PDF file is functioning, I am not getting pages displayed. — billinghurstsDrewth22:07, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
In answer to your question, they are apostropheless (and the text otherwise contains eye-dialect spelling errors) because the author is writing in the persona of a carefree and rather simple-minded narrator. In other words, it is a literary device. BD2412T16:37, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
Just showing off
Apologize, and no offense intended, by replacing the The Box-Car Children titles with magic words. This time I did it correctly, but it had to be done for the reason stated in this post's title. — Ineuw (talk) 02:32, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
Comment
When one is in the middle of setting up an Index: page and someone comes an edits in the middle of it, and causes edit conflicts, and they have been asked previously not to do it, then I think that it is reasonable to remind that person. In your case, I think that you will remember that I was fixing up numbers of matters through the work; you reverted, so be it. Always happy to debate things and healthily disagree about policy and its implementation, I don't like sniping. — billinghurstsDrewth22:52, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
Noticing your search for Author info, the first item I see is Carol Johnson’s WWII illustrations. I have only seen spot illustrations in the work, maps and so on don't provide much of a visual clue, but I do now realise that the Carol being sought might be a he. CYGNIS INSIGNIS05:24, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
They turn up library catalogues as co-author on publications by the Georgia Conservancy, I assume it is the same person, you might contact the org directly or via FB. CYGNIS INSIGNIS05:56, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
@M-le-mot-dit: It is indeed a problem that the second version contains a soundtrack since this is very likely still under copyright. The file won't need to be deleted, however; a new version with no audio will be uploaded and the revision with the audio will be hidden. So there is no need to worry about this. As for our transcription, I say the second version is better, since that seems like an original title card to me. PseudoSkull (talk) 17:39, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
"Mistakes" in Songs and Sonnets
These are not "mistakes", but things that my bot will fix in the end. Leaving these there enables me to proofread faster. PseudoSkull (talk) 04:04, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
Mostly, I do not want to offend anyone, but, I really would like to re-do your images for your turntable manual (which is so cool!). Just the grays to white and keeping the blacks black. It is just the thing, really, to fix my script with (which will do them automatically, in batch, with some prep).
Two problems that I can determine about me being here and typing this. Offending you because "redo". And, I would like to redo them as jpeg, simply for making it a smaller download.
I would be willing to share my (once it is working) script for the opportunity. It needs python though, which might be a show stopper. It is a little like magic on b&w images.
@RaboKarbakian: I'm always open to simple improvements being made to any of the images I upload. Please provide me the script if it's ever made. The transcription project is finished now, so please enjoy this rare manual for a turntable that I happened to stumble across among family belongings. PseudoSkull (talk) 02:50, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
What outer center tag? For all the other {{uc|{{al|...}}}} the Underline was applied only to that construction. The aim in moving it was to match what was already in the page, and to resolve an issue with mis-nested tags. Prior to my change you had 3 sets of closing brackets before the closing </u> in the relevant portion of the code, Not two. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 07:32, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
making moves and stuff
If you think I should move Undine, okay. But Billinghurst told me not make large moves any more as admin have tools and such. I poked around and thought about what I need to do to enable an admin to move things easily, like a move template that would put the name of the chapter with the Chapter NN. Commons has a few move templates, I can get to them pretty quickly but here, not so much.
So, if you would like to show me how to initiate the move and make it easy for admin to accomplish it, I would be truly grateful!--RaboKarbakian (talk) 17:21, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
Admin ready
Hi. You know where we are as a community, what goes where and are communicative with the community about what you want to do, and participate across all of our namespaces.[2] I like how you are working where you disagree politely, and unafraid to speak up, and in the end act on consensus, not your opinion. So I see that you are ready for local adminship. Are you up for the hat? If yes, then I am happy to nominate you. Thanks for your consideration of the mop duties here. — billinghurstsDrewth23:42, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
I saw the recent edit to Undine. On the first page, I replace all of the Page with <pages and Billinghurst replace them back. I did what I did to keep (a or the, your choice) peace. Here is the conversation and a little mention that I don't really care about the tags, but I do about a or the peace. User_talk:Billinghurst#please_look_at_the_diff.
I thought that years ago he had been harrassing me to never use {{page but there you go. One admin, using that tag and me trying to remove it and being told I was wrong. Good luck with admin, if I read the changes correctly.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 01:02, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
@RaboKarbakian: I investigated it because I saw it failed to show the page number on the sidebar for the plate and the caption. So I replaced the template with the page tag for that reason. There are probably other reasons why this template is not preferred, and I believe it is consensus not to use it, although I don't know about any formal rules. The only acceptable use I know of is in film transcriptions, because there is unfortunately no alternative as of now for that specific type of work, due to a technical issue that hasn't been worked out yet. PseudoSkull (talk) 01:07, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
The main page shows how to show the pages with the {{page thing. something like #tag. You are having many of the same problems with this text that I did. Good luck with that! I got nowhere, but it looks great. (It does need page numbers, however....)--RaboKarbakian (talk) 02:04, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
Hello. I agree wholeheartedly with your stated Wikisource opinions on your user page. I am also a person with decided opinions about certain WS topics. I posted links to some of them on the talk page of your new project to speed up proofreading. Enjoy! Laura1822 (talk) 15:29, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
Deescalation
Everyone can get heated and throw out ill considered statements. If they choose to retract them by removing the thread then that is usually sufficient. I am aware that there have been other, more problematic, unsubstantiated accusations made, but in this instance they were retracted and I would suggest deescalation is the better approach. Xover (talk) 20:31, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
