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Possibility of adding "LocalLiveClock" to gadgets

Noticed that Wikimedia Commons offers two clock gadgets, one is UTC time and the other is the "LocalLiveClock". Is there a possibility of adding this to our collection of Gadgets? — Ineuw talk 00:44, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

Project Gutenberg blocks access from Germany

See https://cand.pglaf.org/germany/index.html —Jerome Charles Potts (talk) 23:22, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

Actually, this here is where i stumbled upon it. There is a discussion going on. —Jerome Charles Potts (talk) 23:42, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

What a shame, but not unexpected, seems a reasonable precautionary cause of action would be to remove (or at minimum localise) all non-US works that are not at least PD-old 70 in their source country (On Commons/English Wikisource), or which aren't PD for other reasons (like Legislation , or explicitly licensed works.) . A suitable note could be left on the relevant pages explaining why.

ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 10:00, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

Thanks PGLAF for fighting in court! Copyright bullies must know that citizens will fight back. --Nemo 16:46, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
A reasonable course of action would be to do nothing, and let the WMF worry about it. The source country means little; many countries do not have the rule of the shorter term.--Prosfilaes (talk) 18:43, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
I will urge my local school district, which is in the process of choosing new textbooks, not to use Macmillan and make sure they know why. Textbooks are big money for book publishers, but schools rely on the freedom of the internet to function. --EncycloPetey (talk) 19:00, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
Good idea! Copyright news like this I learned from participation in Wikimedia movements over the years remind me of the truth of capitalism I learned in school as Chinese. The governments in capitalist nations are directly or indirectly controlled by capitalists for their own interest. Bad news is my nation is imitating them in copyright issues.--維基小霸王 (talk) 05:18, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
see also Project Gutenberg blocks German users after court rules in favor of Holtzbrinck subsidiary, teleread. Slowking4 ‽ SvG's revenge 22:38, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

Collaboration products newsletter: 2018-02

Latest news from the Wikimedia Global Collaboration team, about Map improvements 2018, Notifications, Structured discussions and Edit Review Improvements. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you.

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  • Collaboration and Language are now going their way separately. Updates about Content Translation are not included in this newsletter anymore. Please refer to the Language report.
  • Collaboration has a new project: Map improvements 2018.
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    • The project is currently in its very early research and planning stages.
    • It has a limited term that’s scheduled to conclude at the end of June 2018.

Edit Review Improvements [More information • Help pages]

Recent changes

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  • The explanation of the abbreviations on the recent changes page could overlap with the list of changes. This has been fixed. [5][6]
  • On Related changes it was not possible to use Saved filters for several articles. It has been fixed. [7]
  • Transclude special:relatedchanges on a subpage removed #contentSub. This is now fixed. [8]

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  • The wording when you send a thanks message has changed. Instead of Yes or No it says Thank and Cancel. It is also now easier to understand that all thanks are public. [9]
  • A notification is now sent to account owner on multiple unsuccessful login attempts. [10]

Problems

  • Between week 7 and 20 February, when you thanked someone for an edit, the thank went to the latest unthanked edit to that page. It didn't matter which edit you tried to give thanks for. This has been fixed. [11]
  • Long page titles on Special:Notifications were not truncated. This is now fixed. [12]

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Recent changes

  • You can now press CTRL + ENTER to post a new message. [13]
  • It wasn't possible to create a description of a Structured discussions board. This has been fixed. [14]

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  • On wikis using the Beta feature, it is not possible to enable or disable Structured discussion from the Beta page. However, admins can create and move the pages.

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11:29, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

Header template identifies a PD-old work as possible copyright violation

Because An Essay on the Age and Antiquity of the Book of Nabathæan Agriculture has an unknown translator, the {{header}} template adds a banner warning of possible deletion, even though the English translation was published in the 1860s. What’s the appropriate way to remove the banner? χchi (talk) 16:11, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

Done, use override_translator —Beleg Tâl (talk) 16:56, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
that is a particularly bitey message. maybe some encouragement to date the translation would be better. Template:No translator info & Category:Deletion_requests/Unknown_translators Slowking4 ‽ SvG's revenge 22:39, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
@Χ, @Beleg Tâl: There is a better and built-in way as explained in Template:Header … translator = not mentioned. It was specifically put there aaaaaages ago specifically for old translations like this. — billinghurst sDrewth 02:47, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-10

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

  • You can now make longer edit summaries. [15]

Changes later this week

  • You can notify users in edit summaries. They will get a ping just as if they had been mentioned on a wiki page. [16]
  • On Special:AbuseLog you can now choose to list only actions that actually made an edit. Other actions are when the filter warned the editor or blocked the edit from being made. There are also more search options. [17][18]
  • Advanced item Wikis can enable Citoid to provide automatic reference look-up in the visual editor and the 2017 wikitext editor, but it is complex. The tool will now warn in the JavaScript console if the configuration isn't correct. Soon Citoid will disable itself if the configuration isn't correct. Check that your wiki is configured correctly. You can ask for help if you need it. [19]
  • Recurrent item The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 6 March. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 7 March. It will be on all wikis from 8 March (calendar).

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17:12, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

Please test pings in edit summary

1. Read this:

"You can notify users in edit summaries. They will get a ping just as if they had been mentioned on a wiki page. phab:T32750"-- meta:Tech/News/2018/10

2. Sign up at https://en.wikisource.beta.wmflabs.org/ using a different user name and password (not the one you use here). You may create multiple accounts if you like, just put a note on their user pages.

3. Edit a page and put a username link in edit summary. Confirm that you are receiving the notification correctly.

4. Test at different pages and in different ways.

5. Report bugs to Phabricator.

6. Share this comment with other people on other wikis, in different languages.

Thank you in advance.

--Gryllida (talk) 23:44, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

Triple border in {{Table style}}

{{ts|bad|box-shadow: 0 0 0 2px #fff, 0 0 0 3px #000;}}

Anyone got a more elegant solution than this? -Einstein95 (talk) 09:29, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

[Resolved] Purge options don't refresh a page with an image

I am replacing a number of poorly cleaned images and after uploading them to the commons, the Purge tool there no longer purges the page immediately. Consequently it affects the WS page I am working on. Here, none of the purge tools do anything. The purge is delayed perhaps some days after. Has there been any change in the purge frequency procedures? — Ineuw talk 09:22, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

Mrs Beeton -

A search on archive.org produced a very nearly 1st edition courtesy of the Wellcome Library (https://archive.org/details/b20392758)

Does anyone want to take it on? (We already have the 1907 updated edition.)

I also found a companion volume (The Housewives Treasury) https://archive.org/details/b28130807

I am strongly thinking either these could be a future POTM. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 22:13, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

Huge collection of historical children's books from UFL

The University of Florida has a large collection of more than 130,000 books: http://ufdc.ufl.edu/baldwin

Would this be of any interest to Wikisource? --Ixfd64 (talk) 20:12, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

We could process them, but we have scans of millions of books available; it's the man-power to transcribe them. If you're interested in one, go ahead, but it's probably not a great idea to try and load them in mass.--Prosfilaes (talk) 23:49, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
Over 130000 books, but only 87000 catalogued, and just over 6000 digitized. Hesperian 01:19, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
If you searched for the most popular, you could test a few out. "3 little kittens" looks good - illustration should be our strong suit, and making them tablet friendly could be a growth area. and a meetup in Fl. ? Slowking4 ‽ SvG's revenge 20:10, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
Would not Internet Archive be better equipped to process and store these books? — Ineuw talk 01:59, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
There would be value in Internet Archive handling these books, but we would bring our own value to them, as well. If we processed the books, the illustrations could be used separately (if Commons would accept them, possibly to great use on various projects) and the text could be automatically translated and read by screen readers, as well as hand-translated with much greater ease; other Wikisources could cut and paste our structure and just worry about getting the words right.--Prosfilaes (talk) 02:41, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
IMO it should go UFL -> IA -> Wikisource -Einstein95 (talk) 08:27, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

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Latest news from the Wikimedia Collaboration team, about Map improvements 2018, Notifications, Structured discussions and Edit Review Improvements. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you.

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The Collaboration team has announced the start of a new project: In-Context Help and Onboarding. The idea is to improve retention of new wiki editors by giving them short tutorials and other training experiences related to, and triggered by, their current activities on the wikis (that’s the “in context” part). The project follows from the conclusions of the New Editor Experiences research. The work is in its very early stages, but we’d like to hear from people with ideas on the subject—particularly if you have experience supporting or training new contributors.

Map improvements 2018 [More information]

Edit Review Improvements [More information • Help pages]

  • Number of edit to show in recent changes information text was incorrect in Special:Preferences. It has been rephrased. [21]

Notifications [More information • Help pages]

Recent changes

Future changes

Structured discussions [More information • Help pages]

Recent changes

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  • It was not possible to opt-in and opt-out Structured discussions on wikis using it as a Beta feature. It is now fixed. [26]

Future changes

  • The visual editor and 2017 wikitext editor interface is going to change for consistency. The toolbar, dialogs and menus will appear slightly bigger; some icons will look different. Content or functionality will not change. That change will apply to Structured Discussions as well. [27]

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12:24, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-13

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Changes later this week

  • Some of the interface icons and text sizes will change slightly, as part of the updates for improved accessibility and consistency. These icons are used in many features, including Notifications, Recent Changes, Beta Features, Visual Editor, 2017 Wikitext Editor, Code Editor, and others. While editor toolbars, dialogs, and menus will appear slightly bigger; elements on special pages will be slightly smaller. Functionality will not change. [28] [29]
  • Advanced item The deprecated #toc and #toctitle CSS ids have been removed. If your wiki was still using these for fake Tables of Content (ToC) then these might lose their styling. They can be replaced with .toc and .toctitle classes where appropriate. [30]
  • TemplateStyles will be deployed to the Wikivoyages on 28 March 2018. [31]
  • Recurrent item The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 27 March. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 28 March. It will be on all wikis from 29 March (calendar).

Meetings

  • Recurrent item You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 27 March at 18:30 (UTC). See how to join.
  • Recurrent item Advanced item You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be one hour earlier than usual on 28 March at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

  • From 9 April, the sort order of categories will be distorted for a short time. We are upgrading versions of an internationalisation library (ICU) and using a maintenance script to update existing database entries. This will last anywhere from a few hours to a few days, depending on wiki size. Read more details. [32]
  • Changes are coming to search for Serbian projects. Cyrillic and Latin variants of a word and different grammatical forms of a word will be able to find each other. Read more on MediaWiki in Serbian or English.

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20:03, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

Using the Vivaldi browser for proofreading?

I have been occasionally proofreading using the Vivaldi web browser, and I am very curious if anyone else here uses it for the same purpose and what is their take on it. — Ineuw talk 01:53, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

I have. It's... fine, I guess. Doesn't lock up occasionally like Waterfox. -Einstein95 (talk) 06:55, 24 March 2018 (UTC)
I use it all the time and I love it. For proofreading, it's not much different than other browsers, though the feature that allows to display two tabs side-by-side has come in handy a couple of times. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 15:18, 24 March 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for the comments. I found it very fast, probably the fastest browser along with Opera, although there are some features on which I am relying on in Firefox that are are missing.
Do either one of you use the Wikimedia Alt+Shift family of keyboard shortcuts like Alt+Shift+P for Preview, and Alt+Shift+S for Save (aka Publish changes)? There is a list of shortcuts published in Wikipedia which I found very useful but don't work in Vivaldi, something that was confirmed by other users in their forum, and I reported as a bug. — Ineuw talk 04:57, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

Why isn't the 2009 MUTCD with Revisions 1 and 2 on WS?

It's appropriately licensed (pd-usgov), and most of the sign images are already on Commons. Why hasn't it been wikified, formatted, etc. and put on here yet? Is it too big for the MediaWiki database to handle? KATMAKROFAN (talk) 19:29, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

There are lots of things not here yet. What have you done to help add the text? --EncycloPetey (talk) 21:17, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
it is not at internet archive yet. Slowking4 ‽ SvG's revenge 00:10, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
HathiTrust has six million volumes in the public domain, of which roughly six million are not in Wikisource. I'm pretty sure that most of those six million rank higher on my list of things to work on than the MUTCD. Many of the things I choose to work on, works like Foster's Russian bank, a card game for two players, A catalogue of books printed by William Caxton, and Renewal Registrations for 1950, seem to have stirred a lack of interest in others. So it goes. With the millions of available works out there, if you want one done, you're likely to have to do it yourself, at least most of the way.--Prosfilaes (talk) 03:42, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
no one asked you to work on it.
ok i have uploaded to IA; will wait a few days to see if there is a dejavu conversion; will upload to commons, in about a week. at 862 pages it is close to the size limit, but we have done 1000 page documents with chuncked uploads. Slowking4 ‽ SvG's revenge 13:05, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
[ec] I think I get what Prosfilaes is saying. After all, no single contributor can speak for Wikisource; all "we" can do is illustrate individually what motivates us to contribute—the primary determining factor of what texts are worked on here and why. Londonjackbooks (talk) 13:23, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
we should expect newbies to show up and ask, "what about this work?" and our response should always be: "here is our process for incorporating new works, and let me help you get started." Slowking4 ‽ SvG's revenge 14:33, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
Please note, however, that IA no longer creates DjVu versions of texts. --EncycloPetey (talk) 14:38, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
KATMAKROFAN is not a newbie, either here or to Wikimedia projects in general, and considering as they have just volunteered to start a new Wikimedia project, I'm loath to set up a very large project that probably won't go anywhere without them actually saying they're interested in working on it.--Prosfilaes (talk) 20:12, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
there was talk of bringin it back, but i guess not.
you persist in your adversive blaming the editor. since you do not do any work here, why do you care if there are more works to do? where are the editors going to come from if you bite them all? you realize there are other transcription projects that are staffed with volunteers from wikipedia? the volunteers go where the adult supervision is. if you cannot interact in a civil manner, maybe you should not interact at all.Slowking4 ‽ SvG's revenge 01:35, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
I don't really see that benign comments like "if you want one done, you're likely to have to do it yourself, at least most of the way" and "I'm loth to set up a very large project that probably won't go anywhere without them actually saying they're interested in working on it" can be fairly construed as biting the newbie. Hesperian 02:56, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
Why is there a need to transcribe this? https://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/htm/2009r1r2/html_index.htm already exists. My main reason for doing the UK one was that it was only in a PDF format at the time. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 08:42, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

{{Hanging indent/m}}

Has {{Hanging indent/m}} ever worked the way that it's supposed to? --EncycloPetey (talk) 17:53, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

I looked at a random sample of Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Hanging_indent/m and they all behave the way I'd expect it to (in Firefox on Windows 10). Is it giving you problems? —Beleg Tâl (talk) 03:10, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

Template:Author update

Can someone please change the "wikilivres" text to "Bibliowiki"? Thanks. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 08:06, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

template talk:author is the spot for requests. — billinghurst sDrewth 13:30, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

Missing Pages in Jardine Naturalist's library Bees

Hi,

I have found two missing page in Index:Jardine Naturalist's library Bees.djvu

The Contents list should contain three pages, however the third page is missing, (as well as the following blank page.)

Would somebody be able to add the two missing pages after Page:Jardine Naturalist's library Bees.djvu/18, or advise if and how I can do it?

The missing pages can be found in an alternate copy of the book at https://archive.org/details/bees34jard

Although the book is dated later, I have checked the pages and apart from the placements of the Plates the pages do match the original book.

(I hope I've posted this request in the correct place, it's my first post here.)

Thanks for any help. Sp1nd01 (talk) 14:32, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

It's not too hard to insert new pages into the file using the JPGs at the IA. I've done it and uploaded the file. However, by inserting pages, the existing pages from 19 onwards are mis-aligned with the scan. Someone with a bot account can move all these pages up by two to re-align them so you don't have to move ~350 pages by hand! Once that is done, you can transcribe the new pages (there is no OCR in these pages, I am afraid).
FYI, the commands used to convert JPGs and insert are:
c44 bees34jard_0015.jpg bees-15.djvu
c44 bees34jard_0016.jpg bees-16.djvu
djvm -i Jardine_Naturalist\'s_library_Bees.djvu bees-16.djvu 19
djvm -i Jardine_Naturalist\'s_library_Bees.djvu bees-15.djvu 19
More info (maybe too much!) at Help:DJVU files. Inductiveload—talk/contribs 17:50, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
Bot request made at Wikisource:Bot_requests#Realign_pages_19_onwards_of_Index:Jardine_Naturalist's_library_Bees.djvu. Inductiveload—talk/contribs 17:55, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
Thank you for your time in fixing this for me, and for the explanation. I'll transcribe the new pages once they have been re-aligned. Sp1nd01 (talk) 20:05, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
Just to update, I've now completed work on the book as far as I can. While adding the plates I noticed that Page:Jardine Naturalist's library Bees.djvu/317 and Page:Jardine Naturalist's library Bees.djvu/319 both contain Plate 5. Does someone need to delete one of the duplicate pages or should they be left as is? Sp1nd01 (talk) 21:27, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

On the Coromandel Coast

There appears to be two pages missing in the book Index:On the Coromandel Coast.djvu between 11 and 12. i.e. The Table of Contents second page and the first page of the main contents. Can we solve the problem or stop working on the book.--Rajasekhar1961 (talk) 12:26, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

@Rajasekhar1961: I have found those two versions with those two pages :
Assassas77 (talk) 16:09, 3 March 2018 (UTC)
Thank you very much Assassas77. The first reference is exactly similar. But I do not know how to add the missing two pages to the index pages already uploaded in English wikisource. Can you help me. I am continuing the proofreading of this important book about the Coromandel coast. Thank you once again.--Rajasekhar1961 (talk) 04:15, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
I think it is actually impossible to add pages to an existing uploaded file. However, I'd rather ask someone more experienced about that. The administrators can probably do something about it I guess. Assassas77 (talk) 05:03, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
There is no possibility to amend any uploaded file; we have never done that. What is possible is to download, amend, and then upload to overwrite an existing file. If we have a more complete file, if it is the same edition, then upload that, and we will simply move the pages from one version to another. If it is a different edition, then we cannot. — billinghurst sDrewth 06:34, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
@Rajasekhar1961: Done. Now the the pages will need to be moved by increment order of 2 from p.12 to p.372. This can be done with this script, but Linux O.S. is required, which I don't have. Hrishikes (talk) 16:17, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
Put a specific and informative request on WS:BR and when someone has some time one of us will use the available bots. — billinghurst sDrewth 22:38, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
@Rajasekhar1961: Page-move done, found a way to do it in Windows. The index is ok now, please re-do the pagelist. Hrishikes (talk) 02:43, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
Thank you everybody for solving the problem; without losing the work already done. I have corrected index pagelist.--Rajasekhar1961 (talk) 04:31, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Strip google notices

Could someone remove the google notices for the following works?;

Thank you GhostOrchid35 (talk) 09:20, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

I'm curious, when removing the notice page (especially in a case like this, where transcription has already been started), is it preferable to replace the notice page with a blank page, so that pagination doesn't get messed up? -Pete (talk) 21:06, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
It's certainly easier; if you remove the page completely then you need to move all the existing pages and ensure the redirects get deleted. Because of this, I would replace with a blank page. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 21:59, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
The Google page often shifts the pagination. In practical terms, it usually works either way, but having a blank page ahead of the front cover is weird, and having even and odd pages flopped in the DjVu can makes for some unfortunate consequences when trying to read that file like a book. --EncycloPetey (talk) 22:41, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
As we have existing files, and we only wanted to build the one tool, it was determined to simply replace the problematic page with a blank page; that means no other manipulation. We don't start with a clean slate. <shrug> @Mpaa: where are we with having wikisource-bot or another bot doing those replacements? — billinghurst sDrewth 06:38, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
Hi. Far away unfortunately. RL took over for a while. Hope to have some time soon.— Mpaa (talk) 09:35, 5 May 2018 (UTC)
I have a script that can be used, still experimental. If someone wishes to use it, you have to tag the File page at Commons with {{blank djvu cover}}. I'll keep an eye on it.— Mpaa (talk) 16:56, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
@GhostOrchid35: Done — Hrishikes (talk) 02:19, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
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