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Checkuser requests[edit]

Bureaucrat requests[edit]

Page (un)protection requests[edit]


Account needs blocking[edit]

'Chinese people taste good' is basically a vandal. Neils51 (talk)

@Neils51: No such user. Can you provide a link? —Beleg Tâl (talk) 15:44, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

@Beleg Tâl: Sorry I used the wrong page to report this. The user has been blocked. Neils51 (talk) 00:27, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

This section was archived on a request by: — billinghurst sDrewth 04:15, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

Speedy deletions[edit]

CAT:CSD has 20 pages awaiting speedy deletion including a couple of out-of-scope ones. Could a kind administrator please process the category? Green Giant (talk) 18:27, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

Additionally, I can't edit it but could someone delete User:, which appears to be a nonsense page? Cheers. Green Giant (talk) 22:25, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Donebillinghurst sDrewth 22:30, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
Much obliged. Green Giant (talk) 11:05, 5 February 2018 (UTC)
This section was archived on a request by: Green Giant (talk) 11:05, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

Request for protection of template:cl-act-paragraph on "sanity" grounds[edit]

Or to put it in criteria terms; Preservation of integrity of texts relying on it. After some lengthy analysis what seemed to be a logic failure was finally eliminated, which meant it wasn't rendering certain content.

A replacement is under development, but still needs testing. In the meanwhile I think it would be reasonable to prevent further edits to an already complex template, partly on the grounds of my own sanity, and partly so that changes to (such as swapping in any replacement) are only done with consensus, once the replacement has been extensively debugged. As a side comment I will note some other wiki's use Pending Changes on high use templates, I'm surprised that currently English Wikisource doesn't. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 01:01, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

Declined on the following grounds:
a) it is marked as deprecated and therefore no changes should be being made to it;<
b) it is under discussion at WS:PD;
c) it is not a high-use template with < 500 uses across all namespaces.
with respect to the comment on Pending Changes and high use templates: once a template has proven to be stable and is being used across multiple works, our de facto policy has been to protect the template and restrict editing to Sysops only. Once a template is protected proposed changes should be worked out in the Sandbox. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 01:23, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
This section was archived on a request by: — billinghurst sDrewth 22:47, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

User deleting COPYVIO notices after being warned not to[edit]

User:Slowking4 has removed a COPYVIO notice from The Coming of Wireless twice, once after being warned not to. I am definitely involved, so I ask for some other admin to take action.--Prosfilaes (talk) 19:35, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

I have asked Slowking4 to participate in the conversation, rather than undo the conversation starter. — billinghurst sDrewth 02:57, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
This section was archived on a request by: — billinghurst sDrewth 22:46, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

Need to import Template:MongolUnicode from Wikipedia[edit]


To display correctly some Manchu characters in A Manchu Grammar, I need to import the w:Template:MongolUnicode from Wikipedia while preserving the author credit of this template. Thanks in advance.

Assassas77 (talk) 13:35, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done .--Jusjih (talk) 04:17, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
This section was archived on a request by: — billinghurst sDrewth 22:47, 31 May 2018 (UTC)


I am looking at

The book is public domain since it was published in 1918. However, there are watermarks everywhere. Can this be uploaded? Thanks.

Artix Kreiger (talk) 22:50, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Yes, however there is a better scan at, which doesn't have the google stuff all through it. The images are also better. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 23:27, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
This section was archived on a request by: — billinghurst sDrewth 22:46, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

Lightly problematic user RoboDork / WolfHolwer[edit]

To note that users "RoboDork" and "WolfHolwer" are the same, and undertaking light-irritation editing. I have blocked the first for a week, and indef'd the latter account. I have left a warning on the first, though don't think that it will make an iota of difference. If they come back with a new guise, I suggest that we look to get checkusers done and start blocking the underlying IPs, where possible. We may need to do some protection on templates if they continue to fiddle in nuisance areas. — billinghurst sDrewth 02:58, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

This section was archived on a request by: — billinghurst sDrewth 22:46, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

Requesting a Mass rollback[edit]

I would like to request a massive rollback of my contributions to Main, Page and Template namespace back to KNOWN versions of the relevant pages as they stood at the time of this edit

The reason being that the edits subsequent to this are for the most part good faith efforts to fix Linter indicated concerns. However it's been indicated elsewhere that there are other approaches are being considered, and thus it would be impractical to have a lone contributor however well intentioned making 'fix' edits that had not been appropriately co-ordinated, on a per Index basis if needed.

It is therefore requested to roll back my well intentioned efforts to KNOWN versions so that a seemingly competent team can implement ONE set of comprehensive patches universally across all affected works, instead of a lone contributor implementing page by page fixes, which may be inconsistent with the overall style used in a particular Index.

The alternative would be for someone other than myself with a LOT of spare time, to review every single edit made since the one mentioned, to ensure that any "fixes" were not of themselves creating more problems. I honestly don't see that reasonably happening on an appropriate timescale. A suggestion to re-set the proofreading status of affected Page: 's was considered counter productive, but I don't see how there would be a way to check that a 'fix' has remained stable, without additional reviewers. And I will note that in making some fixes, even with the best of intentions it is entirely possible additional concerns have inadvertently been introduced.

ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 21:46, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

Generally, self-requested blocks are not agreed to by admins on this project, but in this instance, given my lack of competence it may be wise to consider a voluntary 'calm-down' period. Let's say 2 weeks to a month to let there be an agreed set of Linter "fixes" on a per Index basis, if needed? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 21:53, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for your Linter fix efforts. Sorry if they turn out to have been wasted, though I doubt that's the case. I don't think it would be appropriate to rollback anything unless/until a concrete solution is found and a rollback is seen as essential to it. Hesperian 00:09, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
Agree with Hesperian. My comment, to which you allude, was about a bot request to do a broad-ranging task, and for such the community should reach consensus (as per Wikisource:Bots), rather than an "eyes wide approach" to manual, sensible fixes, which you are doing. — billinghurst sDrewth 01:19, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
This section was archived on a request by: — billinghurst sDrewth 22:46, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

Recent deletion and block[edit]

Can someone please check me on a recent deletion and block I made regarding User:SquamishPolitical? Please advise on block time, and whether the deleted page should be protected. Thanks, Londonjackbooks (talk) 14:49, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

Looks reasonable to me. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 16:58, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
For anyone legitimately operating from a logged-in account, I would always add a {{welcome}} message (hope!), and a toss-up whether to add a {{subst:test}}. If someone re-adds a deleted off-topic page, then a little extra emphasis is never astray if you think that it is outside of good faith. — billinghurst sDrewth 02:41, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
The subject matter read more like a "news" story, but seemed to me like an opportunity to dish dirt. I did not seek to look into details at all. I just knew it was way beyond scope and should probably be taken down. And the fact that my initial warning & deletion was ignored didn't give me a good feel. Londonjackbooks (talk) 03:01, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
This section was archived on a request by: — billinghurst sDrewth 22:45, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

mul:The Morals of Chess[edit]

Can an admin import the text from Multilingual Wikisource to preserve the original contributor info? I think, the text should have been uploaded initially to English Wikisource. Ankry (talk) 12:17, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

If a djvu is needed, there is one here : Internet Archive bub_gb_cCYCAAAAYAAJ Assassas77 (talk) 15:06, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
@Ankry: Yes check.svg transwikied — billinghurst sDrewth 00:11, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
This section was archived on a request by: — billinghurst sDrewth 22:44, 31 May 2018 (UTC)


The user Jessewaugh is a bit out of control with abusive language. He seems convinced that I am Michael Mandiberg of Art and Feminism fame. I am not. I am Canadian, just like the beer commercial. Feel free to checkuser me. 15:19, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

Let's try ending that thread completely, from both of you. Both of you are running into dangerous territory, IMO.--Prosfilaes (talk) 21:16, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
This section was archived on a request by: — billinghurst sDrewth 22:44, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

WS:APD request[edit]

Per WS:APD, I requesting the autopatrolled permission. I understand Wikisource policies and guidelines as well as the copyright policy.

Thank you for consideration. Let me know if you have any follow up questions. ―Matthew J. Long -Talk- 20:39, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

@MattLongCT: I have a quick review of some edits, and I am currently not willing to assign autopatrolled, as I don't think that you have yet grasped our Wikisource:Style guide. And that is more due to our failure as a community, we have not suitably patrolled and given you sufficient guidance in your edits. Your adding of paragraph-leading indents [1] and the categorisation such as Category:Politics of the United States/New York Times and Carl Schurz are both contrary to our style. We need to lift our game in patrolling yours and other people's edits. — billinghurst sDrewth 21:57, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
billinghurst, fair is fair. I accept your judgement and will try to move forward in a constructive way. Thanks for letting me know, and please let me know in the future if any of my other edits are contrary to policy. If there is anything else I can do to improve Wikisource experience, I will gladly do so! Thanks again! ―Matthew J. Long -Talk- 01:13, 5 February 2018 (UTC)
As I said, it isn't your failure but our community's. I will admit to have patrolled less, though will plead other duties. I know I did some in your early days and will look to get into some of your edits and to provide some feedback; though my time critical commitments are still there. And don't sweat it, we use the marker as an indicator of where we see a user contributing and when we need to follow/stop following them around. We have our elements of complexity and we do like to support new users, and this truly helps. — billinghurst sDrewth 02:49, 5 February 2018 (UTC)
This section was archived on a request by: — billinghurst sDrewth 04:00, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

Remind me please[edit]

of the best way to roll back edits due to vandalization when the roll back options only limit you to a certain number [2]. Thanks, Londonjackbooks (talk) 17:57, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

Manually replace the page contents with the contents of the last good revision? That's the best I can think of. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 20:14, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
@Londonjackbooks: Three ways and depending on what you already know, or what you want to do. Go to the history, then either
  • select the first and last of your choice, and press "compare select revisions" and once there, you can just undo; OR
  • click on the date and time of the edit to which you wish to return, and it will give you the Permalink view, and clicking edit will edit that version; so click and save (notice the warning); OR
  • click on one of the prev links (last best edit, bad edit) and you should have an edit link in the diff to the good version to which you want to return
As a note, the reason you don't get a rollback for all is there are two different IP editors, though on the same /24. — billinghurst sDrewth 20:30, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
So, with the first option, clicking "undo" in the last edit (right column) will revert back to Htonl's edit (left column)? The right column will go back to the left? Londonjackbooks (talk) 20:43, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
Think I got it, thanks. Londonjackbooks (talk) 22:20, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
Yes, when you have purposefully selected the beginning of the comparative range, the undo does from last to your select point; when you come into a last edit (usually from RC), by default, the range is just the last edit. — billinghurst sDrewth 22:32, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
This section was archived on a request by: — billinghurst sDrewth 04:00, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

Pseudobot -> Bot user[edit]

At some point in the past (time unknown) there has been a systemic descriptive and link change in Mediawiki for what we define as bot users, with the name having become Pseudobot. This was showing at Special:ListGroupRights and with components through Special:UserRights. As our naming is pretty entrenched, I have made the cosmetic changes to update the required names and links to "bot user(s)"

If users want to see affected pages with raw code, then remember that you can use uselang=qqx in index.php urls to see the underlying code. For a view of all messages see Special:AllMessages. Ping me if there are any questions. — billinghurst sDrewth 21:28, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

This section was archived on a request by: — billinghurst sDrewth 04:00, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

Special:AbuseFilters update[edit]

I recently gave trusted wikidenizen MusikAnimal abuse filter rights as they have access to the backend of Wikimedia performance tests and some excellent abuse writing knowledge and skills, and most importantly the willingness to assist. For that last, MusikAnimal, we thank you for your assistance. They have done a review of our existing, running filters and done some excellent efficiency tuning. So they should be working better for the system, and quite possibly more effectively in the tasks that they are set.

MA has also set up their bot to run regular reports to identify filters that haven't been hit in a while. From this new report I have disabled the Chinese blogger, though left the others running as they are specific and impactful, though others opinions are valuable here. As a general thought, I was thinking that a filter that hasn't had a hit in 3 years should be considered to be redundant unless it is an area that effects quality of our works, or has a significant impact upon our time and recover. I would appreciate others opinions. — billinghurst sDrewth 22:43, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

This section was archived on a request by: — billinghurst sDrewth 04:00, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

Index:An Anglo-Chinese vocabulary of the Ningpo dialect.djvu[edit]

Hi there,

I reuploaded on Commons a newer version of An Anglo-Chinese Vocabulary of the Ningpo Dialect from Internet Archive. It is less blurry. Could an administrator do the transfer from Index:An Anglo-Chinese Vocabulary of the Ningpo Dialect.pdf to Index:An Anglo-Chinese vocabulary of the Ningpo dialect.djvu. Thanks in advance. Assassas77 (talk) 20:39, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

Hi. It is unclear to me what you would like to do. If you mean to move the (few) proofread pages, everyone can do that.— Mpaa (talk) 21:06, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
:O I just learned something new today then! I never thought of the Page: namespace as a regular namespace. Well... now, can the Index:An Anglo-Chinese Vocabulary of the Ningpo Dialect.pdf be deleted ? Assassas77 (talk) 22:40, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
done— Mpaa (talk) 18:15, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
This section was archived on a request by: — Mpaa (talk) 21:58, 21 June 2018 (UTC)


Admins might want to double-check their user rights. For some reason, the system today decided that I was no longer an autopatroller. If you are an admin, you can fix this under your user rights management. --EncycloPetey (talk) 00:13, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Hmm. It seems the issue only applies to rollback edits. My rollback edits are not being marked as "patrolled" even though I'm an admin and have Autopatroller rights active. Is this affecting anyone else? --EncycloPetey (talk) 23:10, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
@EncycloPetey: This is affecting many of us over at Wikidata as well; there is a Project chat discussion there to that effect started by User:Okkn. Mahir256 (talk) 04:36, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
Note that this was mentioned in the Wikitech news this wee (see WS:S) and has been resolved. — billinghurst sDrewth 10:52, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
This section was archived on a request by: — billinghurst sDrewth 10:52, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

restoring colours in indexes[edit]

Can an admin, please, make a non-null, but not significant edit to MediaWiki:Proofreadpage index template (eg. revert the most recent Billinghurst's change)? According to Tpt's explanation in phab:T198470#4413233 this should restore page colours in all index pages (and is faster than purging all of them). Ankry (talk) 18:07, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Shouldn't be required. I made that change after I saw the request. Changes will take time to propagate through I suspect. — billinghurst sDrewth 22:38, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
Indeed. I've missed that. Please close this request. Ankry (talk) 14:38, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
This section was archived on a request by: --EncycloPetey (talk) 15:42, 12 July 2018 (UTC)