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Lots of FTC nominations by EP over at Featured Text Candidates, but few contributors offering proposal comments, support, etc. I only notice because I just made a proposal myself after a request by EP. Londonjackbooks (talk) 02:31, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

BBC Radio Times[edit]

Radio Times - Christmas 1935 - out-of-copyright article by William Temple, (died 1944), with in-copyright illustration obscured. Transcribed as The Coming of Wireless.

The BBC have put the entire run of the Radio Times magazine, for the 1930s, online, as part of the BBC Genome Project

This was the BBC's own magazine, sold to the public. It contains a mixture of programme listings (also digitised as text by the Genome Project), magazine articles (not as text), and images; all with mixed copyright status.

Obviously, the articles may be of interest to Wikisource.

I've started a discussion on Commons, with additional details, and to decide how we can best make use of this content. Your comments, and contributions to the work needing to be done, will be welcome there. It would be good to have liaison between the two projects. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:40, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

None of this is public domain in the US, so it's not suitable for the English Wikisource. Consider taking it to The Canadian Biblio Wiki.--Prosfilaes (talk) 15:24, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
do not see a copyright notice, so pre-1967 is suitable. no record of "radio times" at [1] the illustrations raise the issue of fair use, for images in PD text yet again. if you really think it is not PD, then you need to have the DR at commons, not here. Slowking4SvG's revenge 02:43, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
Please see Highlights of Copyright Amendments Contained in the URAA; a copyright notice is irrelevant. (And 1967 has nothing to do with anything in US copyright law, at least not for several more decades.) We have different copyright rules than Commons has.
(The specific example the copyright office gives is: "A French short story that was first published without copyright notice in 1935 will be treated as if it had both been published with a proper notice and properly renewed, meaning that its restored copyright will expire on December 31, 2030 (95 years after the U.S. copyright would have come into existence).")--Prosfilaes (talk) 05:04, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
by your failure to raise this issue at commons, i take it that you agree your extreme URAA views do not have a consensus at commons. what makes you think you have a consensus at wikisource? you need to seek a consensus rather than attempt to impose your views, by fiat. see also m:Wikilegal/Use of Foreign Works Restored under the URAA on Commons Slowking4SvG's revenge 12:19, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
It's clear that my views do not have a consensus at Commons. If I were imposing my views by fiat, as an administrator, I have a big fat delete button that I could have deleted the pages in question. Instead I marked it as copyvio and brought it up for discussion.--Prosfilaes (talk) 21:15, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
you have chosen not to continue the drama at commons, but rather, you come here and blank the image, inporting the drama here. your behavior is instructive. the venue shopping says it all: having lost the consensus at commons, will you now take that lack of consensus to each and every other project? the battleground has no armistice, merely new battlefields to fight over. Slowking4SvG's revenge 16:47, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Headers don't show up[edit]

The headers do no longer show up in the main namespace. In all books I've been checking you can see it flashing by for a second, and then it disappears. What's wrong? --Dick Bos (talk) 17:55, 3 January 2018 (UTC) Sorry. Forget to tell: it only happens in "Layout 3". --Dick Bos (talk) 18:04, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Ouch, it is there, though you will need to scroll over to the right of the page. We haven't changes being made to MediaWiki:PageNumbers.js in a long time.
self.ws_layouts['Layout 2'] = {
	'#regionContainer':'width:36em; margin:0 auto 0 auto; font-family:Georgia,serif;',
	'.sidenote-right':'position:absolute; left:37em; width:16em; text-indent:0em; text-align:left;',
	'.sidenote-left':'position:absolute; left:37em; width:16em; text-indent:0em; text-align:left;',
self.ws_layouts['Layout 3'] = {
	'#regionContainer':'min-width:60em; float:left; width:100%; margin-right:-23em;',
	'#columnContainer':'position:relative; text-align:justify; margin-right:23em; text-indent:0em; padding-left:0px; padding-right:0px; width:auto;',
	'.sidenote-right':'position:absolute; right:-10em; width:9em; background-color:#eeeeee; text-indent:0em; text-align:left;',
	'.sidenote-left':'position:absolute; right:-10em; width:9em; background-color:#eeeeee; text-indent:0em; text-align:left;',
	'#headerContainer':'position:absolute; top:0em; right:-23em; width:21em; float:right; text-align:left;'
Seems that we need to amend #headerContainer to bring it back inside one of the other containers. If someone can play inside their special:mypage/common.css that would be brilliant. — billinghurst sDrewth 22:36, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
@Billinghurst: With respect Layout 3 "broke" for some browsers a long time ago but was not going to be addressed until the mobile/Visual Editor interface stabilised. Having received no feedback that either of the above two are not going to further change at a moment's notice please be very careful you are not patching over an abyss you did not even know was there. 23:42, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
Good points about how we manage and need to version control our layouts. Let us develop, then test functionality through the proposed layouts functionality.

I wasn't rushing into anything, CSS is not my strength, and as said before we need to get some expertise in this area if we are to progress well. Time we got better control of mobile, VE, and some play with sidenotes. Might need to go through phabricator, and get some attention at either Wikimania, or the proposed Wikisource conference. — billinghurst sDrewth 01:45, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Problem importing books[edit]

For some reason this file and this file failed to import, is this normal? Or should I best ask this question on Wikimedia Commons? -- DonTrung (徵國單)  (討論 🤙🏻) (方孔錢 ☯) 12:37, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

ia-upload is a Commons tool. Best to ask for assistance there. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 18:44, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
log your issue into phabricator: tag with "ia-upload." — billinghurst sDrewth 22:04, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
there is a problem with jp2 which IA uses a lot hanging when trying to convert to dejavu. Slowking4SvG's revenge 01:53, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

Transwiki some texts from oc-wiki?[edit]

I have a question about some medieval text that is currently in article name space on Occitan Wikipedia, and whether transwikifying it to Wikisource would be a better idea. I was under the impression that most wikipedias prefer references or short excerpts from primary sources, and not whole texts, plus, placing it here seems like the right venue.

I'm improving the article Querimonia on en-wiki, and among the Wikidata language links is one in Occitan. At oc:w:Querimònia, section #Tèxt dera Querimònia has nine links to what appear to be complete source texts written in Occitan, that are all located in oc-wiki article namespace. I'd prefer to see these texts transwikified here, instead; and then I could refer to them more easily from en-wiki (and the other wikis I work on), as well as using the en-wiki templates that provide a linked Wikisource box with a logo, and so on.

Can someone advise? Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 00:29, 6 January 2018 (UTC) is the proper source for Occitan works.--Prosfilaes (talk) 00:35, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
And the community help for that is at mul:Wikisource:Scriptorium and I would encourage you to seek their assistance. — billinghurst sDrewth 03:56, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Scans not loading?[edit]

Is anyone else having problems with scans not loading in the Page namespace (either for view or edit)? Every time I try to edit, the connection times out before a quarter of the scan page loads. I've done everything at my end I can, from resetting the router to checking updates and restarting the computer. --EncycloPetey (talk) 21:57, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

@EncycloPetey: No issue for me, there was a bit of lag with the image presenting, though once started, it came through fine. I tested at Index:The History of Essex.djvu; not sure where you are having issues. — billinghurst sDrewth 04:03, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-02[edit]

16:19, 8 January 2018 (UTC)


  • Admins: We should look at our abuse filters as we have some that flag for blanking, if these new special:tags suitably cover an abuse filter, we can look to deactivate said filters. New names appear to be mw-new-redirect, mw-rollback, mw-removed-redirect, mw-changed-redirect-target and mw-blank. A review of the pages listed shows out good editing and capturing of junk, and not really much junk in the first place. I don't know whether they match up with our abuse pages, that is a check for another time.
  • I see numbers of examples of use of ext.wikiEditor.toolbar : (user: namespace results for the users to fix their issues) and in our Mediawiki: ns I see that we have four uses that need to be resolved

billinghurst sDrewth 00:52, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done or MW tools; users should do their own, or ask for help from an administrator. — billinghurst sDrewth 12:32, 9 January 2018 (UTC)